#anti tywin lannister

[grey-joys]

Ya know, I have to say, the bard who wrote The Rains of Castamere wrote a bop. Just a whole jam. I refuse to give Tywin Lannister even an ounce of credit of how clever the words and metaphors and shit were

#stupid squid thoughts #asoiaf #game of thrones #valyrianscrolls #the rains of castamere #anti tywin lannister #ish

[lilith-91]

if Tywin is a scumbag with zero redeeming qualities it is his fault and his alone, not Rhaegar and Lyanna's 🤦‍♂️

He killed Elia and her children not because they were a threat, but because Rhaegar married her and not Cersei. It was a punishment.

Even Oberyn said it 😭 Why do you think he sent the Mountain to kill them? Why Ned is blaming only Tywin for their deaths? He hates that man with a burning passion.

it doesn't matter who started the rebellion, there are rulers in war. Tywin is a war criminal. if Robert was a better man he would have punished Tywin. But no, he called Rhaegar's children dragonspawn....

2024 and people are still giving these two a pass

#asoiaf #lyanna stark #rhaegar targaryen #elia martell #ned stark #game of thrones #anti tywin lannister #anti robert baratheon

[katerina-q]

“Rhaenys was found under his father’s bed as he could still protect her” > fandom conclusion > she hates her father.

Wtf?

People hating Rhaegar for personal reasons must stop forcing their sympathies on the plot, Rhaenys doesn't hate her father and Rhaegar wasn't abusive 😭

Can you imagine little Tyrion hiding under...Tywin's bed? :/

By the way, Tywin is disgusting. The way he was talking about them.....

#asoiaf #rhaegar targaryen #rhaenys daughter of elia #rhaenys daughter of rhaegar #game of thrones #anti tywin lannister

[maid-with-sunset-in-her-hair]

I’m pretty sure the whole “kinslayers are cursed” thing will end up being an abusive social construct and not an actual real divine punishment. Like, nearly every time a character brings it up is to demonize an abuse victim for killing their abusers in revenge or self-defence?

Ygritte condemning that unnamed Stark for killing his sperm donor after he kidnapped and raped his mom and pilliaged the North. The Lannister faction condemning Tyrion for gutting Tywin after nearly thirty years of emotional, physical, financial and sexual abuse and a couple of murder attempts. Even Theon gets called a kinslayer by the Stark household after he kills Bran and Rickon, even though Theon isn’t related to them by blood and he was the Starks’ hostage for a decade and would be killed the moment Balon stepped out of line.

If the curse was meant to be real, why doesn’t the narrative openly condemn Viserys as a wannabe kinslayer for threatening to cut open his pregnant sister? Or Tywin for pruposely putting Tyrion in the most dangerous part of the battlefield? Or Lysa for trying to murder Sansa? Or Ned for accepting to decapitate someone he knew since he was ten? Why nothing happened to Euron after he killed his brothers? Because the kinslaying curse was always meant to be a social construct that protected the powerful from the consequences of their abusive actions, to mantain unilateral filial loyality.

Even the readers picked up on that. They call Daenerys a kinslayer for not trying to save Viserys after he threatened to kill her and her baby, plus the years of emotional, physical and sexual abuse. They condemn Jon and call him a kinslayer for stabbing Daenerys after she mass murdered a city.

#asoiaf #valyrianscrolls #my meta #anti viserys targaryen #anti tywin lannister #anti ned stark #anti euron greyjoy #anti daenerys targaryen #jon snow #theon greyjoy #tyrion lannister

[katy-89]

No Targs haters, little Rhaenys doesn't hate her "evil father"

Keep this child out of your boring mouths

Instead let's talk about how TYWIN LANNISTER (the man this fandom is still giving a pass) was mocking her

"He found her hiding under her father's bed, as Rhaegar could still protect her"

the child HE murdered

#asoiaf #rhaegar targaryen #rhaenys targaryen #rhaenys daughter of elia #rhaenys daughter of rhaegar #game of thrones #anti tywin lannister

[agentrouka-blog]

“The girl's happiness is not my purpose, nor should it be yours. Our alliances in the south may be as solid as Casterly Rock, but there remains the north to win, and the key to the north is Sansa Stark.”

The utter arrogance of Tywin to think Dorne, the Stormlands, the Riverlands, the Vale and the Reach were loyal to the Lannisters.

What a loser this overrated guy.

Everything before the word "but"... 😂

The Tyrells: literally counting the days until they can poison Joffrey.

The Martells: plotting against them for years and Oberyn is about to cause a huge scene.

The Vale lords: Big Mad at Lysa that they didn't get to join Robb's war.

The Stormlands: literally mere months past open rebellion with Renly?

The Iron Islands: currently an "independent kingdom" in its own sucession crisis.

The Riverlands: fighting a war against them as they speak.

Tywin: Our alliances are solid. As solid as Casterly Rock, our mine-tunneled ancestral castle that will never ever collapse in a symbolic destruction of our House and my toxic legacy.

...

Jon: He's right about Sansa, though.

Sansa's queenship and Winterfell foreshadowing: Yeah, that one's a winner.

I suppose the girl's happiness should be of some concern, then. 🤔

#anti tywin lannister #confidently wrong #sansa stark #queen sansa

[maester-cressen]

The fact that we still need to have discourse on the Tyrion & Tysha situation is proof that the asoiaf fandom is truly incapable of reading and analysing the own text they claim to love.

It’s obvious that Tyrion was a victim of the whole situation and that Tywin raped Tyrion by proxy when forcing Tyrion to carry out the act. Tyrion is traumatized by this event because he was a victim of Tywin’s cruel, misogynistic “punishment” for the horrendous crime of falling in love with a girl who showed him kindness. Tywin raped Tyrion by proxy because he forced his 13 year old disabled son to watch a horrific act being commited against his 13 year old wife – and later on repeat the same act.

There are definitely things to criticise in the asoiaf universe – it’s constant use of gang rape to show the horrors of the world is a valid criticism. But it should not be done at the expanse of the disabled rape victim whose suffering is consistently shown in the text.

#then again… are we really shocked that a terf shows no empathy for male rape victims? #anti tywin lannister #tyrion lannister #tysha #a song of ice and fire #rape tw #ableism tw #fandom wank #text post #books

[allovesthings]

Aegon the Unlikely my beloved.

I love Egg so much.

And once again fuck Tywin for ruining perfectly good laws for the smallfolks.

#asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #aegon the unlikely #aegon v #dunk and egg #egg #anti tywin lannister #tywin lannister #I'm still baffled that people called Tywin a good politician when he removed laws made for the betterment of the smallfolks ? #Explain to me like I'm 3 years old because I do not understand it

[starbrightmaiden]

Has people forgotten in their T/rg worship that the only way that T/win L/nnister had the opening to order the deaths of Elia and Ratgar's children is because Ratgar abducted/absconded with L/anna S/ark?

Do you really think he would have EVER had that opening if Ratgar hadn't done that?

Do you?

Ripple effects, my friends, ripple effects.

#elia martell #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti tywin lannister

[greenmeanqueen]

The fandom sympathy for abusive husbands and neglectful/uncaring fathers always fascinated me. The fandom will routinely exonerate fathers from the same moral failings or alleged moral flaws that they crucify mothers for and then they’ll act like they’re eloquent and progressive scholars for doing so. Tywin, Jaime, Robert, and now Viserys. Mothers are held to higher standards than fathers.

(Btw I don't care what Alicent's delusional haters say, she should have pull a Cersei and kill her husband. Women murdering their rapists will never be villainous).

thank you for your ask!!

it’s not as if we’re expecting the fandom as a whole to treat these characters as purely one-note, stereotypical evil villains! they are complex beings, but they still had a seriously negative impact on someone whom they were tasked to fill a parental role for. that’s part of what makes them complicated, well-written characters. and when you’ve got a character who’s done bad things, it’s okay to try and analyze why they did those bad things… without absolving them of the responsibility that they knowingly did those things.

and as you mentioned, there is a horrifically misogynistic theme going on here that mothers are held to higher standards than fathers are. it’s as if the fathers are allowed to remain “people”, while the mothers must solely be defined by their role as a mother. there’s probably some broader societal implications going on here, but someone much more knowledgeable than i am could explain it better than i ever could. really, when you’ve got a character who’s not a great parent, by all means, analyze them for their failings in the role they were given to play, but let’s hold the other parental figures to the child(ren) in question to that same standard. it’s only fair, no?

(also yes, you wouldn’t have caught me complaining if my queen alicent gave viserys what was coming to him since he decided to marry a teenager)

#anti asoiaf fandom #anti hotd fandom #anti viserys i targaryen #anti tywin lannister #anti jaime lannister #anti robert baratheon #alicent hightower #cersei lannister #pro alicent hightower #ask a gal

[grey-joys]

Listen, the gods were funny for making Lord Tywin stink like shit even after he was seen to by the Silent Sisters, but now Qyburn has free rein of the Red Keep. This is a net negative, in my humble opinion.

#stupid squid thoughts #game of thrones #asoiaf #valyrianscrolls #anti tywin lannister

[saltywinteradult]

Alicent is Sansa if she were Tywin Lannister’s daughter.

#this popped into my head and now i can’t get it out except by making a post #someone please shut me up #sansa stark #alicent hightower #(to be clear this is meant to insult both tywin and otto. because i hate them) #anti tywin lannister #anti otto hightower #hotd #house of the dragon #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #house stark

[brydeswhale]

A random list of weird things I read in GOT/ASOIAF fics, in no particular order:

This one where a dude decided ravens weren’t cool enough and replaced them with eagles. I know I’ve complained about this before, I WILL do so again, eagles are all eye, no brain. Pigeons can actually do the work but no one loves them I am going to use pigeons in one of my works.

The one where Robb physically assaults Sansa after rescuing her from the Lannisters because she, get this, refused to marry a Lannister. You know, the disgraced house that she was held hostage and abused by, that one. For some reason the narrative was trying to blame HER for the conflict, rather than her brother, who was trying to marry off the PRINCESS OF THE NORTH to the house he had already defeated.

The ones where Oberyn “rescues” Sansa by marrying her himself and then Ellaria is just fine with it and becomes basically Sansa’s maid/grooms her alongside Oberyn. If I had a nickel for every fic along those lines I’d read, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice.

The one where Sansa killed her rapist(a Lannister OC) and his supposed good guy son was all mad at her, instead of just being like, “Oh, shit, my dad was a rapist, good thing he’s dead.” I’m starting to suspect this fandom has a misogyny problem.

The one where Catelyn was, like, randomly evil? You know I’m not a Catelyn fan. She is not invited to my dinners. But this one had her being all evil and stupid and decided that Barbrey Dustin(?) was supposed to be the good mom to the stark kids. It was really dumb.

The one where Arya and Sansa switch personalities and Sansa is forcibly married to Jaime Lannister and decides to just have sex with him. When she’s, like, twelve. I wasn’t going to like the fic anyhow bc it’s by that author who likes to pretend quitting a fic is the same as finishing it, but that one was really dumb.

The one where an OC sensed a “secret evil” inside Sansa and decided Sansa was OPPRESSING HER RELIGION by inviting her to a sewing circle. Bear in mind, Sansa had literally just seen the OC, smiled, and invited her to hang out. Amazing. Simply amazing.

There are a lot of fics out there where Sansa randomly decides she was wrong and she IS a warrior with sword after all, and they just make no sense and bother me so much.

There’s this weird thread going thru certain pieces of fandom where they seem to think the problem with book/season 1 Arya is that she doesn’t just submit and become a little tradwife, rather than the fact that she’s an obnoxious little jerk who throws tantrums and treats the people around her unkindly for no reason. Like, there’s a lot to criticize about Arya, but her rejection of traditional gender roles isn’t one of them.

Presumed incompetence. It’s so weird, but despite the narrative having to go out of its way to kill Robb, capture Sansa, do the whole Arianne plot goes wrong thing, etc, etc, fandom seems to have taken this stance that the Starks and the Martells and the other “good guys” are somehow incompetent and stupid for, ya know, having ethics.

Presumed competence. Tywin is a bad lord, father, brother, and son. Danaerys is a literal slaver who only alters her trajectory when she can’t afford the slaves she wanted to buy, as well as a self deceptive hypocrite. Yet many fics out there would have us see both of these different sides of fascism as somehow pragmatic and heroic. In reality, they’re both shitty at their jobs, and even Danaerys is, while sympathetic, not a particularly good person.

Presumed Ned Stark good guy. Ned is a complicated dude, despite fandom’s large dismissal of him as a “too good for this sinful world” tragic hero, and I wont argue that he definitely will do the right thing if presented with an opportunity(unless the right thing involves treating his eldest daughter with actual care and consideration). However, this is also a guy who lives in a country with a large slave soldier penal colony made up of mostly non-violent property crime offenders, who plays favourites amongst his children, and has not only held a teenager hostage since the boy was a child, but also forces him to attend what basically amounts to rehearsals for his own murder. So, yeah. He’s complex.

The idea that the old gods are superior to the new is kind of straight up disputed by the books, yet fandom keeps churning out fic after fic where Sansa(and it’s almost always Sansa despite the fact that she canonically worships both sets of gods) repents of her sin of coming from a multi religion family and turns completely to the old gods. Which is just dumb. They both kind of suck in different ways.

#asoiaf #anti Danaerys Targaryen #anti Ned stark #anti tywin lannister

[maid-with-sunset-in-her-hair]

I’m completely sure that Lancel Lannister will not only survive to the end of the series, but also inherit Casterly Rock after Cersei and her children die. She always wanted to be Tywin’s heir, and resented Jaime for getting that by virtue of his gender, so what better narrative punishment than the inheritance she always wanted going to the cousin she sexually abused? Lancel looks like Jaime and only wanted to be like him growing up, so it makes sense if his endgame is becoming the Lord of the Westerlands, becoming what Jaime could’ve been if he hadn't given up his lands and titles for Cersei.

Not to mention that GRRM will probably want to resolve the conflict between the Lannisters and the Starks before the series’ end, and unfortunately for all the pedo shippers who wanted Sansa’s forced marriage to Tyrion to become the cornerstone of peace, Lancel and Sansa being the ones that sign the armistice is more thematically coherent. She saved his life during the Battle of the Blackwater even though he was her enemy, and a Lannister always pays his debts. Peace will be born from an act of mercy, not from Tywin’s attempt to steal a girl’s inheritance and subjugate the North.

#make a guess what triggered this whole rant 😂 #asoiaf #my meta #valyrianscrolls #lancel lannister #sansa stark #anti cersei lannister #anti tyrion lannister #anti sanrion #anti tywin lannister

[atopvisenyashill]

i think it’s so funny when people say stuff like “people villainize littlefinger” and “people make tywin a bad guy” bc idk how to tell you that selling an 11 year old to a brothel and slaughtering a bunch of people at dinner is like, a quintessential villain thing to do lmao.

littlefinger is straight up embezzling from the realm and tywin’s line is going to fall specifically because of his mistreatment of his children okay, those dudes are, in fact, bad guys who do bad guy things and that’s why tywin got merked on a toilet by his own son and that’s why littlefinger is gonna get his neck sliced by sansa, brienne, or lsh lol. it’s cuz they’re bad guys!

#it’s so funny like i like sandor a lot but i’m well aware he’s a bad creepy dude! u can like a bad guy and realize he’s a villain it’s fine #anti petyr baelish #anti tywin lannister #i mean i’m anti littlefucker bc i think he’s boring. tywin at least has charisma

[allovesthings]

Tywin: Explain to me how killing ten-thousand men on a battlefield is more honorable than killing thirty at a wedding.

The thousands of soldiers ambushed,burned and killed at the red wedding:

#the hypocrisy of tywin lannister #i hate his weird woobification in the fandom probably because of D&D #anti tywin lannister #tywin lannister #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #fuck tywin