#aversive training

[darkwood-sleddog]

Can the balanced dog trainers please stop fucking talking about positive reinforcement as if those dogs are not “obedience trained”? A majority of competition obedience dogs I know were trained with R+. Letting your dog wander on the end of a line because you want to do so does not = untrained. It is simply…a choice.

#dogblr #dog training #I try to hear both sides and follow a diversity of people but this really stands out to me #1.) balanced means using multiple quadrants. positive reinforcment is part of that #2.) balanced trainers come off really insecure in their own philosophy when they do stuff like this #you should not have to put down other dog owners and trainers to elevate yourself #if you have to do this constantly there is a problem #the reality is to me so many of these people scream ‘I’m important and smart look at me me me!’ #the equating of r+ as = untrained in these circles is wildly prolific #‘I fixed this former r+ dog that was reccomend for BE!’ #acting like all r+ people are the inexperienced pet folks who have taken a single puppy petsmart class #and not a wide variety of individuals with varying abilities #meanwhile how dare r+ and force free people put THEM in the same box as abusive aversives using people #it’s just…how do these people have time to be like this #like shouldn’t you be training dogs? #every time people talk poorly about positive reinforcment I want to take them to a zoo #the hyenas do cooperative care with positive reinforcement #the tigers wolves and bears and other large dangerous animal too #your domestic dog is not different or special or in any way more in need of aversive treatment

[creekfiend]

I'm getting a puppy soon and I have MAD ADHD and autism, and I'm like, hey, pip has dogs and ADHD! how do i train a puppy when i can't even train myself? 😭 pls help I don't want to fuck everything up

Ooooough! I have some books I could recommend. Control Unleashed Puppy Primer by Leslie Mcdevitt is a great one. Superpup Academy on FB has some great stuff as well. I like the Cog Dog Radio podcast too I think some of those eps are about puppies (although it's usually more oriented towards dog sports content)

I have a couple other training books I like that I can rec tomorrow if you remind me!

#also genuinely learning about training dogs DID make it easier for me to train myself. lmfao #once youre like 'oh the learner decides what is aversive and what is reinforcing' #you really start noticing what YOU find aversive and reinforcing #its interesting!

[takeyourcyanide]

I’m beginning to think that I live in a dollhouse of a world. I think it’s an experiment. How long until the one they created finally collapses under the failure that is supposed to be the guidance of real humans. Where is the real world? How do I get out? Are they the ones who are observing me closely? Is everyone around me just a prop for the experiment? Are they all in on it? Why post this on here? What happens if they know I’ve become aware? Will that all become a part of the experiment too? Was that the plan from the beginning? Are the people I interact with on here a part of it? Something’s just wrong and I could feel it since I woke up and days prior

Is this a glimpse into the real world? Real non involved people

#I’ve wondered this before #I’ve felt it before #I’m not beginning to think am I #am I supposed to put a tw #if everyone’s in on it though #perhaps I’ll leave this train of thought behind and pretend to myself as though I’m not aware of the obvious reality #never entirely #I still like writing though what am I supposed to do #shall I be happy to be a part of science #did they put shadow people demon things where I live #am I one myself #the chirping birds are fake I think #if anyone tried to convince me this is real is it because they’re in on it #are the mirrors portals to the real world did they want me to figure it out to see what would happen #aversion #or maybe they watch me from the mirrors too #not just cameras

[lotrmusical]

is it Extremely Abnormal to email the watermill and ask if anyone there drives in the direction i need to go after shows anyway and will give me a lift

#my aversion to learning to drive is nigh unshakeable but this singular circumstance is really testing me #the trouble is that trains stop kinda early and it's a LONG show. so for a mat i can just walk an hour back to the station #but it is Unfeasible in the evening without getting taxis etc #i haven't even seen the show once yet maybe i won't even WANT to see it multiple times (<lying to themself) #gay belligerence

[girlhorse]

personally I don't have a strong opinion on ecollar use but @ my rich client it's fucking insane to talk about introducing an ecollar to ur 4 month old parvo survivor doodle when she's just doing extremely normal puppy behaviors. what the fuck.

#gab gabs #she said its something the board and train trainer works with #she said “oh we tried treats once byt she wasnt into them” girl have you considered you might have had treats she didnt like #i told her ti try boiled chicken if she has to and she was liek oh she loves chicken and rice #Wtf. #i cant imagine getting a puppy and immediately getting so upset about its normal puppt behaviors that u think u need a professional to #intervene with aversive methods #she told me she had bad manners but the said bad manners were teething on fingers lightly and pulling on the leash #maam she is 16 weeks old

[toxtricity-v]

I know posts aren’t written with a universal audience in mind and that when people make posts like this they are probably not talking to me but

I HATE posts that are phrased to talk to everyone and say shit like “you NEED to be eating X”

shut up! you do not know a persons needs. just saw one that even went so far as to say they didn’t care if a person has a condition that makes it hard. shut up shut up! things that are healthy for most people are not necessarily good for everyone! like. my body does not tolerate cellulose. it makes me throw up. I can only tolerate vegetables in very specific circumstances, and I’m even then I will, not might, WILL, throw up part of the meal. I also receive premade meals in the mail as a disability accommodation. These meals are inevitably designed to cater to the Healthy Diet For Everyone. and as a result, I can’t eat like half of every single one because it’s steamed vegetables that will make me sick. nothing I can even do about it. it’s not possible to receive medical meals for MY medical needs. not to mention all the other stuff they send me that is prohibited for me (whole grain bread —I’m on a low fiber diet. milk —lactose intolerant. pineapple fruit/juice —allergic. tomatoes…allergic again.)

idk man it is an active problem in my life that everything presumes there is only one way to be healthy. I’m so sick of dealing with it. I DONT want to see it on tumblr too! leave nutrition advice to people’s doctors!!!

#rant #disability #actually disabled #actual diet advice from MY doctors that actually know me: #low fiber (GI specialist) high sodium (cardiologist and geneticist) drink lemonade instead of water (urologist) #reduce vegetable consumption (GI) drink high calorie beverages to supplement calorie intake (GI) #the only ‘normal’ advice was to avoid large amounts of fat #which I do because it makes me as sick as the vegetables #stop presuming you know what’s good for people! #I watch my bf do caretaker training videos to hired to care for me and the nutrition and meal planning section was all the same shit #I cannot express enough that if you try to make me live on high fiber and meals that are half steamed veggies with water to drink and #no salt #I will become malnourished #I will throw up so much that I lose weight and lose cognitive function #I will start collapsing whenever I stand up #and I will become so bloated that I only try to eat once a day #I know this because I’ve been there already due to stupid doctors that tried to shove me into a one size fits all diet #it was the most miserable time of my life #toward the end I was only able to stomach cups of tuna #i developed an aversion to eating in general bc I had linked the act of eating with being sick #I lost like 30 pounds in two months #sorry if I take the subject a little personal

[snakecatchers]

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#snake avoidance #canine snake avoidance #dog trainer #training #snake aversion #snake awareness

[darkwood-sleddog]

A reminder that if you see a dog trainer online who claims that “positive reinforcement failed this dog” in regards to a reactive dog and then they proceed to show you how they were able to “fix” the dog’s reactivity with aversive training that:

- you don’t know how much time and effort was put towards counter conditioning the dog with positive reinforcement. Positive reinforcement counter condition to reactivity triggers takes a LONG TIME and many casual dog owners simply do not put in the work and want results ~now~.

- you don’t see the “fixed” reactive dog outside of videos in very controlled environments. The dog may still react when placed in the hands of others because the dog may be behaviorally shut down by the aversive trainer and trying to not endure any more pain then necessary. This does not “fix” reactivity. The things that trigger the dog to react still exist as a negative to trigger the dog.

- dog training is NOT a quick fix. All good dog training takes time, patience and effort. A single board and train will not fix your dog. A single class will not fix your dog. A single trainer will not fix your dog unless the work is being put in to reducing the dog’s stress and their ability to succeed EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

#dogblr #dog training #reactive dogs #I hate tik tok dog trainers I hate them so much #I hate that we’d rather go for quick fixes than #actually take our time to help the dog understand that #there is no need to react bc they can #trust is to remove them from stressful environments when before they reach threshold #or can help them reassociate triggers with good things #honestly I stg these aversive social media trainers #would also call people over emotional snowflakes for seeking therapy #so of course they cannot understand the emotional needs of dogs #extend beyond ‘oh wow master I love you’

[shopcat]

i just read that post about steve & the torture, and like High key think that the potential needle trauma is also v forgotten about.

and like sorry to talk about myself (Again, loool) and how i relate to steve, but when i was 10 and i was getting the tetanus shot by the school nurse, and she said "i won't poke u until u say it's okay, the okay word is 10" and then her assistant asked me my age and obviously the answer was 10, and i realized that if i answered the question the nurse would give me the shot and i wasn't ready so i didn't reply, and then the assistant said "you're 10 right?" as an answer to her own question, and then the nurse gave me the shot even though I myself hadn't actually said it was okay,, and now needles still freak me out rip, it's gotten better but i still hate it rip. idk it's like, the fact that the nurse said she'd listen to me and let me give consent, and then tried to trick me into giving it without noticing, and when that didn't work out the way she wanted, she like did it anyway/changed the conditions she set, idk i think it just made it worse, like if she had just said ill do it on 3 without telling me i could decide, i think that would've been better.

anyway my own experience with like all of that makes me think/believe that steve would likely have some sort of trauma attached to/an aversion to needles. and probably a p big distrust for medical personnel, even though it wasn't like a hospital doctor, i think it is connected enough to make him distrustful.

also now when i get poked by a needle i need to like see when it makes connection with my skin, but as soon as I've seen it and it's starting to go in i have to look away, bc like i don't want to be surprised by it, and like idk how it would be for steve, but i think he also wouldn't want to be surprised, idk how that would present itself in him though.

idk i just feel p strongly about it lol

nurses are crazyyyy i have to see like. 2 phlebotomists and a nurse every 3 months to do my hrt and it's always a different experience every single time bc half of them are CRAZY. anyway. i never actually even thought of this before to do w steve specifically i mean like you're actually so right even with that one guy being like "your friend needs a Doctor" and that the doctor was the one doing phase 2 of the torture... and then afterwards two times now we've seen him assumedly AVOID medical personnel slash hospitals/not get treated.... interesting..... i will let this marinate in my brain until i succumb to it i think. i need to fucking safe him.

#asks #sts #oh my andhow it could run alongside like. the hc that he actually becomes an emt... HM ! #and specifically an emt which has different like. training and school vs paramedics vs i dunno nurses ? #medical tw #oh i think i never even thought of it bc i already have it in my mind he doesnt like medical care in general but bc he doesnt want to face #that he IS hurt hes like im fine. basically #but i also think he totally could have developed aquaphobia i think thats a very.. realistic thing to explore #i also just have a hc that hes scared of dogs LOL which has differing levels of uh. reasons why #like mostly just bc i like random hcs to be honest to be honest.. but also DEMODOGS MAN #but yeah specifically a medical aversion esp trouble with needles TOTALLY. just like with i dunno. having his hands tied

[bobbie-robron]

You are the best, you know that? I thought I was gonna lose ya. Thank you.

26-May-2017

#robron #robert sugden #aaron dingle #a hug #Robert violently thrown under the perverbial freight train #did Aaron get the mug before or after his life imploded? #yeah I have an aversion to this particular writer #why they chose this bad writer to follow up Maxine 😐 #robron episodes 2017 #20170526

[thebutchersdog]

On thé topic of aversives and the recent ban of e collars in the UK (there are still a few weeks left to fight it), I urge those of y’all who are anti-aversives, on the fence, and pro aversives, to watch this video.

It’s long, I get it, but put it on and listen to it in the background. You owe it to dogs to have an open mind and listen to the other side of the table. Even if it doesn’t change your mind on aversives, I guarantee it will make you think hard about them.

#dogblr #dog training #aversives #prong collar #e collar #shock collar #dogs #Youtube

[lightblueminecraftorchid]

“ABA therapy is fundamentally ableist and harmful/abusive”

and

“ABA therapy is often the only type of ‘help’ for autistic people that insurance will approve”

and

“People who genuinely want to help autistics can be easily persuaded that ABA therapy is necessary and useful because they don’t have the right context”

and

“ABA therapy specifically touts itself as scientifically based and approved, and it can do this because there are actual scientific journals saying this”

and

“Those scientific journals are written by neurotypical people who are investigating reduction of visual symptoms instead of reduction in stress”

and

“ABA has some aspects that are generally considered good, such as helping kids communicate, and this helps it mask the screwed-up and abusive sides of the therapy”

and

“Some institutions will say they offer ABA therapy and then actually offer a completely different type of treatment”

and

“The ABA therapy offered in schools is usually even crappier than average because it’s focused on making kids quiet, not healthy”

and gosh I’m so fricking tired

#for context #I was offered a job at a place that says they offer ABA therapy to get it covered by insurance #which means that their actual practices and what ABA is are so fricking different #but if I want to work there #I need to be trained in ABA therapy #and it is actual hell #to sit there and see this little computer module #claim that stimming is a behavioral challenge on par with self injury and pica #that self-injury should be treated with ‘aversives’ like the smell of ammonia water #that children need to be taught play skills #that autism is a children’s disease and that adults that have it are like children #that restricted interests (read: special interests) are a problem behavior because they’re distracting or whatever #If I believed at all that this job actually believed this crap I wouldn’t bother applying #but my cousin runs it and I’ve texted her my concerns and she’s like #‘oh yeah no that’s complete crap we don’t do that here’ #praise be to God for that #but even being trained in it makes me sick #because it’s couched in such pretty language #help the child get better they say #help the child make friends they say #help the families understand their child they say #I never received ABA therapy and at this point I’m heavily grateful I wasn’t diagnosed til I was an adult #because I get nauseous even thinking about it

[snakemanaustralia]

Snake avoidance training works! Seen here is a Black Labrador who is now protected from venomous snakebites. Learn more at http://www.dogsnakeavoidancetraining.com.au and protect your valuable pet.  After all, they really are family!

#snake avoidance dog snake avoidance #dogs #training #Melbourne #Australia #snake aversion #snake avoidance #dog training

[twogriffons]

and in our personal life we've been working on some different tricks and trying to get a start on rear end awareness!

we have been doing a lot of focus on paws up and also going around a little cone. i want to get her a target mat (and i ordered something that i think will do the job.

also is 2 on/2 off the best starting point for rear end awareness? maybe we need to do some solid work on it or experiment with different surfaces but i cant tell that erie is realising what is happening 😅

#dogblr #erie #ive been watching kikopup videos and one half of my brain is focused on what is being said and the other half is like #remember when they compared aversive training to what enslaved people went through

[daughterofhecata]

I would be a lot more inclined to do yoga if it was marketed as stretching or fitness exercises, instead of every ad for yoga being about ~toning your body~ and ~making you ass look better~ or some shit.

#just did some stretches to combat the stiffness and pain from that train odyssey yesterday and it's so good #but i have an instinctive aversion to yoga because 90% of the time it's advertised for ~shaping your body~ so you're more attractive #and that line of marketing just gets on my nerves like nothing else #yoga #fitness #diet culture #wellness culture #idk how to tag this #kaj rambles #als the fact it's almost exclusively marketed as 'for women' or ~for ladies~ and yeah. i'm not that and don't want to be that.