#but I know that it's not good for lxc :)

[evilhasnever]

"lxc could do better than jgy" "lxc deserves better"

listen, we all agree that lan xichen deserves the world, but what he wants is A-Yao. End of story.

#so tired of oooh poor lxc he does not know what is good for him #ohhh he deserves so much better than [slew of insults directed at jgy] #ohh he would be much happier in [random ship] #I am genuinely going to start blocking these takes #lxc knows who he wants and he consistently pursues him for his entire life within the constraints of their respective stations #RESPECT the man's dedication! #he doesn't want to do better!!! he is in love! #shhh shiome

[thatswhatsushesaid]

Okay, but what do ✨YOU✨ think JGY would think about LXC’s flute solo trait? 🤣

I'm experiencing deja vu, anon, because I feel like I have for sure answered an ask about this once before!! but I can't find it, woe etc.

anyway, jgy will patiently sit through as many flute solos as his er-ge feels compelled to perform, both because it is always a joy and a delight for him to listen to lxc play, and also because it's not like anyone else in lxc's life is granting him the space to express his feelings in whatever way makes him feel the most at ease!

like in all seriousness, lxc spends so much of his time and energy across all adaptations of the canon taking care of everyone else around him, and there is exactly one person in his life who makes space to provide him with support (emotional and material), both before and after he actually has the power to do so.

jgy's love language in the text consistently manifests through gift-giving (e.g., fairy for jin ling, all the presents he gives to huaisang which are tailored specifically to his interests) and acts of service (e.g., protecting and sheltering lan xichen during the war, using his newly acquired influence to secure the funds to rebuild the cloud recesses, as well as [iirc] preventing lwj from facing too much political blowback after wwx's death; literally dropping everything in the middle of hosting a banquet to help huaisang with yet another problem, etc).

so basically, imo, if what lxc needs every so often is to exorcise his own emotional demons through impromptu flute solos, there is no one in his life better equipped to understand why than jgy.

#with the obvious caveat that probably a lot of those solos in cql are just there for censorship reasons. but #since fandom has taken this and run with it #here are my thoughts #tho they are probably a little disorganized since it is late and i'm about to go to bed #asks answered #xiyao #mdzs meta #editing this to add that obviously jgy and lxc also talk!! a lot!! and obviously those conversations are central to their intimacy #I don't mean to say that he doens't also grant lxc words of affirmation too lol #but he knows that talk is cheap #he's good at talking a big game when he does not intend to follow through #(gestures @ the whole thing about xy's head) #I think it is very important to jgy to distinguish his relationship with lxc #from the relationships he has with everyone else in his life where his sincerity is uh #let us say 'forced' #he wants to be someone lxc knows he can rely on

[cryptidafter]

anyway JGY and LXC are the ONLY two characters not only aware of the class divide but willing to do something about it.

how's that for class consciousness?

#cryptid’s thoughts #god the good they could've done in a better world #plz send me your favorite xiyao aus where they do good for the world #give me overworked but determined social worker JGY and volunteer firefighter LXC #EMS worker LXC - Surgeon LXC #basically I think LXC would find more purpose in the trenches so to speak #he wants to be right there saving lives with his own hands #JGY is fine with the paperwork and the red tape - he knows how to maneuver through the politics of it all #he WILL fix some part of this broken system #turn this into a meet-cute somehow idk I just need something

[leatherbookmark]

an interesting thing abt jgy antis is like. where is the source of their, shall we say, negative opinion of jgy? like, 1. jgy is a villain, he does horrible things with no remorse, he’s willing to do everything to achieve his selfish, egotistical goals. --> 2. the source of this claim: this, this and this scene. --> 3. alright, but to me -- says someone who’s not an anti -- this reads differently. that he did all those things, and did them on purpose and without remorse, is not that obvious to me. why do you think that? --> 4. well, obviously because he’s a villain and does horrible things with no remorse.

like... he’s evil because he does bad things, and he does bad things because he’s evil. i’m interested in how antis came by those opinions, but a, unfortunately i have them all blocked, and b, even if i or someone else made a poll, it wouldn’t be authentic because no sane anti is going to say “well, people hated him and wrote all those things about him on twt, so i started hating him as well”, or “i only care about wgxn, you could sell me anything about other characters if your arguments were convincing enough because i zoned out during the parts when wgxn weren’t on screen/pages of the book”. it’s all “written in the book/shown in the show” and “logical arguments you’d agree with if only you could read”.

#thinking back to my early c/q/l days where i reblogged this dumb ass meta abt how jgy FOR SURE pushed lxc away because he WANTED HIM #to be tormented by uncertainty forever. like 'the worst person you know just saved your life; what now' kinda thing #i was like oh... THIS IS SO RIGHT... because it felt bittersweet and painful and i am Still guilty of accepting/agreeing with headcanons #or interpretations that aren't 100% what i think because i have this ingrained idea that other people are always more mature and #sophisticated and smarter than me and so they Know Better #the person (i think?) later went on to write a meta abt how jgy is a badwrong narcissist. so #(this is also the reason why i spent months praising and getting excited abt a fic where jgy was dating nmj for like a decade despite #not loving him; and why he cheated on him many times with lxc Just Because. i didn't think jgy would do something like that but everyone #else was like omg this is SOOOOO good so i was like shit i guess it is! IT'S SOOOO GOOD OMG;;;;; have i mentioned i have no brain on #my own? yea) #anyway i'm not gonna paint myself as this genius from the first watch because I Too had wgxn goggles fucking ON and didn't even notice #the box hand touch during my first watch. (have i mentioned i am not very smart or observant) and when wwx was whistling ghosts at jgy #and jgy was clearly Going Thru It in the guanyin temple i was like 'haha good for him' #but iirc i Was nonetheless drawn to him (although xy was first <3) and it was like. well he's evilbad but maybe he felt bad when he murdered #his child? --> well maybe he's not 100% evilbad... maybe... --------------> a-yao did nothing wrong and i will kill you if you even suggest #otherwise. (<-- a joke.) #anyway a whole bunch of antis seem like kindasorta stuck in that initial wgxn-centered; everyone else either has 2 personality traits Max #or is either wgxn allies (good) or wgxn Haters (we hates them forever!) just like. unwilling to accept any new viewpoints At All #and then there are Types of those jgy antis because you have people who hate him for Other Reasons and people who hate them because they. #honestly seem like they've only read moralistic books for young children where the brave kind hero is the one you're supposed to cheer for #and want to be like; and the villain has all the traits you're supposed to know are Bad (mean greedy selfish lazy etc) AND NOTHING ELSE. #its like that *man who only saw boss baby watching another movie* damn this is giving me some serious boss baby vibes ! meme #anyway. love it when the tags are 3x longer than the post. cheers #shrimp thoughts

[madtomedgar]

I am still loyal to the kinda miserable, not really romantic, mutual loneliness situationship xining. Ningchen? That is my rowboat ok. My dinghy. The like. Liferaft that's hanging off the side of my ship that you hope to never need. Lans only love once but there's love and there's "look we both know we are forever hung up on other people we cannot have but i need a shoulder to put my head on or I'm going to start eating furniture and I know you are in the same boat and we can't die so cuddle up buttercup."

#untamed stuff #i also think in cql that lxc staying in seclusion forever is very much a waste #of ayaos last gift to him and he knows it #he knows if ayao saw this he would be furious #after all that i gave your life back to you and this is what you do with it #and for a while malicious compliance as anger and the only way to #hurt back meaningfully here is deliberately squander that #but #at a certain point the grief and the need for ayaos life and death #to have meant something will outweigh that so. hell live and continue #but he wont be happy about or good at it

[layzeal]

whenever a character i like has a somewhat numerous amount of people who hate them, i like to read up on those blogs/accounts to kinda understand what's up, maybe i missed something, broaden my horizons, etc. fandom is a book club and that what it's for

however, i still haven't been able to find a blog that Actually explains why they dislike yqy so much. like, the most i get is "he didn't come back in time" which okay, but is there anything else? im sitting here ASKING you to drop all your yqy criticism, please!

#doing this can be very interesting but im not sure I'd reccomend #cause those blogs are like. Shen Yuan levels of obsessed with things they hate #and it's both silly and exhausting #but also good for me bc i get to find very fast the other points of view #so characters like JGY and JC which i like a lot but can totally understand why many don't #then there afe characters like LXC which i'm fully conviced ppl who hate him just don't know how to read #characters like Qi Rong are quite straightforward in personal taste. so i don't even need to look it up #BUT YQY STILL MAKES ME CONFUSED #i can't Understand why people blame him #but there afe not enough people unhealthily obsessed with hating him for me to easily look it up lmao #how DARE y'all be normal about him. i have research to do!!!! #sv #lace speaks

[luobingmeis]

i need to find more 3zun people to follow i love xi/yao with all my heart and soul but even i get a bit tired of either 1) nmj being entirely erased from 3zun esp when it comes to lxc’s seclusion or 2) nmj being overtly vilified 😭

#i can talk abt nmj for so long but overall my points boil down to #1) yes i believe to some degree he was too harsh on my/jgy #2) yes he being of the gentry shaped his world view #3) he also has understandable reasons to not want to associate with my/jgy #4) we can talk abt nmj and qi deviation but his qi deviation in the story. was not it’s natural progression. #5) he was not bullied into the brotherhood nor was it just to intimidate jgy #and my secret 6) #i don’t necessarily think nmj was wrong for saying that maybe they shouldn’t let a serial killer be in the hands of the sect #when nmj is like the only one stopping them from completely abusing their power #but tbh overall i just get so :/ when lxc’s seclusion is reduced /entirely/ to jgy #like yes! that is such a big part of it! and by god is it heartbreaking! #but also lxc’s seclusion is a culmination of like. the road to hell being paved in good intentions #and how a lot of his active decisions ended up having adverse effects #like i will not deny that nmj was a threat to jgy but also like. he had claims and his qi deviation is quite tragic to me #and like idk i feel like lxc would feel some kind of way abt. u know. the whole song of clarity thing #but also even in the inverse bc i love nielan as well but then there we have jgy as like #more of the fall guy/‘bad’ guy than he already is #which like in hindsight it’s funny trying to find equal content bc 3zun is a mess akdjdjsj #idk i think my overall thoughts is that nmj can be frustrating with how rigid he can be but also like #1) makes sense for the character mxtx has set up #and 2) his fate as both a man and a fierce corpse is so tragic to me #edit: and even more so i know and love that lxc’s seclusion was pushed by jgy’s death #and how a part of lxc died in that temple #but it’s just!!! sometimes i rotate #bc yes it’s abt jgy and it’s abt how lxc killed jgy for the one thing he didn’t do #and it’s also a line of ‘wrong’ choices #but also when i think abt lxc grieving both his sworn brothers and thinking abt how he should’ve died in the temple #i do lose my mind a bit

[trans-xianxian]

my question is did jin guangyao jump in front of that sword to save nie mingjue as some sort of insane long con to try and save face since he was just caught Stabbing somebody or because he genuinely had some care left in his heart for nie mingjue

#honestly don't know which is more in character #like jgy Would do some crazy shit like that just for some good old manipulation but also he fully could have died #and at the same time the question is to what extent was jin guangyao able to care about others in a way that was not about self interest #this is a longer post but like I truly believe that jgy Did care about and love at least lxc in his own fucked up way #but I also think a lot of that love was for the sake of himself and not in the selfless way you should love another person #anyway #ghost posts #text #jgy #nmj #lb

[rendnotmyheart]

Lan Xichen is so....

#there's just something about a guy who's a well respected ideal cultivator that others look up to #who is known for good judgement and who is self-assured that his own decisions and actions are well guided #responsible for upholding justice and judgement in his sect. who is kind and inclined to see the good in people #and him meeting jgy. being taken care of and having kindness extended to him at his lowest point #of COURSE he's going to care about jgy. to trust him and grow fond of him #like of course he's going to support him against those who want to see him beaten down #of course he's going to trust his judgement about jgy. he's zewu-jun after all. his judgement is sound #goddddd #like why would lxc doubt himself and his judgment and his relationship with jgy? #jgy has seen him at his worst and still extended him compassion and understanding #the least lxc can do is do the same #like goddddddddd #and then guanyin temple. everything he thought he knew about himself. his ability to be a sound judge. his relationship with jgy #is completely turned on its head #and like with nmj? nmj didn't really have any proof. to lxc of course it sounds like nmj assuming the worst and not listening to jgy #like 'oh he killed this guy in cold blood. i saw him' #and jgy being like 'you don't understand the circumstance. you didn't let me explain. etc etc' #lxc wasn't there. how does he know who to believe? #one can say 'lxc was nmj's friend first. he should have believed him' all they want #but like jgy was lxc's friend too. a very close one. who already felt like he had to prove himself and his place #who was already constantly put second #ofc lxc wasn't going to add to that by immediately taking nmj's side and dismissing jgy's explanation #and one can say 'nmj knew jgy better. jgy was at the nie's for a while' all they want #but lxc knew jgy first!!! outside of nmj!! why would he trust nmj's judgement over his own?? #he literally has his own entire relationship with jgy. ofc that is going to be the thing to guide his actions #god it's so fucked up and messy #but i get lxc so much #like he made mistakes but they are such HUMAN mistakes #lan xichen #the untamed

[thatswhatsushesaid]

currently thinking about just how much su minshan was willing to sacrifice--of himself, and of other people who relied on and trusted in him--to protect jin guangyao

goes 2 my knees, clutches my hair

#suyao #it's The Devotion™️ ok??? #he abandons his whole sect at the second siege of the burial mounds for jin guangyao #he will pull a sword on both hanguang-jun and zewu-jun over the HINT of a slight against jin guangyao #he puts himself in mortal peril and ultimately dies brutally to protect jin guangyao #uggggGGGGHHHH #i'm fine!! i'm fine #(i'm not i'm really not) #edited to add: like!!! regardless of how you choose to interpret the nature of the relationship between them #i don't think it is a stretch to look at sms's devotion to jgy and interpret it as something beyond friendship #or beyond the loyalty of a vassal to his liege lord #and i think what most fucks me up about their dynamic (in a good way) #is that sms never expects the same depth of devotion from jgy #given how deeply seated minshan's resentment towards the gusu lan is and how easy it is to trigger #a truly nuclear grudge response in him (looking @ u jin zixun) #i remain endlessly fascinated by the years he must spend knowing that jgy would always choose lxc over him if he had to #and yet he does NOT become bitter or resentful of jgy over this #he does not make his devotion to jgy a problem for jgy to manage #like if you lean into the one-sided shipping angle he's like a guy who has fully embraced his place in the friend zone #is he fine with it?? who knows! but he isn't going to make his feelings on the matter jgy's problem #anyway i love him send post #emotional support henchman

[kisskissgotohell]

i'm watching the untamed w a friend and i like it, and some of the rewriting (in particular the yin iron and making wwx's last cut for jin guangyao) is pretty good, but it really does take away most of wei wuxian's agency in the story? obviously he's the main character and the plot mostly centers around him or whatever but cql REALLY does not want him to make even a Single Bad Decision. demonic cultivator su she is the biggest example of this (let wei wuxian be responsible for jin zixuan's death 2k23) but also in, like, making demonic cultivation an existing branch of cultivation instead of wwx inventing it and completely getting rid of the members of the wen remnants who were able-bodied cultivators.

in the books wwx is literally losing his mind to the point where he definitely goes too far on multiple occasions (and sometimes seems to revel in it), and even though it's a result of the resentment corrupting his temperament it's still a choice wwx is making. present-day novel wwx looks back on his days as the yiling patriarch and admits to himself that he agrees with the people who go around saying "man that patriarch guy really crossed a line here and there." cql!wwx, however, has no need for that because it's like nothing he does comes with its own inherent consequences, which sort of takes away from the message of the book when everything is reduced to a black-and-white, good-is-always-good-and-evil-is-always-evil morality.

tl:dr: let cql!wwx have an actual impact on the story, COWARDS (read: cql writers)

#this COULD also become a 'not every character is strictly good or bad in general' rant (see: jc lxc lqr and jgy assorted discourse) #but i will leave that part at: as a jc stan myself. the bitch has layers. and a habit of being mean to demonic cultivators. #cql #wei wuxian #mdzs #the untamed #mo dao zu shi #it's 11:32 pm and i am not skilled at making points so if these two paragraphs say literally nothing. whoopsie daisy. #if this is an observation someone else has made before i wouldnt know ive only started cql recently lol #<- refuses to post even slightly analytical opinion posts without prefacing them with 'i don't know anything guys dont listen to me'

[cryptidafter]

Me clicking out of a fic three chapters before the end bc JGY and LXC are portrayed in ways I don’t like

#oh of course oblivious LXC so nice of you to show up here #and evil conniving JGY thanks I’m glad you decided to join this party #yes this is the same fic I was giving the benefit of the doubt bc everything else was so good #but I guess I really can’t hope for a happy story for my boys when they aren’t the focus sigh #there were other things here and there about other minor characters that bugged me #I know everyone has bias towards their favorite characters but don’t make it so obvious lol #cryptid’s thoughts

[bahoreal]

met with one of my friends and he wasnt mean exactly just a little rude about a couple of things and like. weirdly? he point blank refused to talk about three body (he asked what i was reading and i said the third book in the series) because it was too misogynistic? and im like? youre a cis man? it upset you so much you refuse to talk about it even to discuss why the misogyny was bad? what the hell?

#like......... it didnt upset me that much/i could close an eye to it and appreciate the science #maybe he didn't wanna talk abt it for other reasons but I just dont understand. it felt so weird for him to be like #you should have been more offended about this. like i didnt give a fuck? i dont think id like lxc as a person #i didnt like luo ji as a character. sometimes u can dislike things and still be like this was a very interesting thought exercise #he upset me a bit so im absolutely using three body as a vent platform jfhshshs #and when i said in the show they made it much better he was like. still absolutely not. like ????? #anyway. feels not good when someone dismisses your interests like that esp when he knows i dgaf about dns #dnd* but still talked to me about his character for like 20m #idk. i cancelled two other plans to go and see him and im regretting it cause the other ones would have been much funner and i wouldnt be #so miserable now lmaooo.

[birbfeedersart]

until now i've never even considered xiancheng as a ship?? like, i feel as though wwx's love for jc is an integral part of his character, and i do wish they'd had a better resolution in both mdzs & cql (unless something happened in the extras?? never got a chance to read them 😅) and tbh i am quite fond of both of their characters, but it never occurred to me to ship them. even with the golden core transfer. bc i would absolutely dig out my solidified soulstuff and give it to my little sister if she needed it. it's not even a question, i wouldn't give it a second thought. as an act of brotherly love the golden core transfer makes perfect sense to me. my sister, like jc, has the sort of personality where if she's got no ''''natural talent'''' she thinks she's not good enough, so she gives up. i've......never really been like that?? not being good at things has never actually STOPPED me from doing things. maybe i wouldn't perform for strangers, but i wouldn't stop. so i wouldn't feel the loss of it as much--or if i did, at least i could handle it better. i'd still be all right. i'd find a way. i always do.

however. the inherent romanticism of it. as a romance trope it is. yes yes very good. i like it. i like that. a lot. and ofc the old trope of shixiong/shidi (woh/shl my beloved!!) is also very welcome to me. perhaps if xiancheng had been endgame, maybe i would have liked mdzs/cql better?? idk, i'm not even sure why i don't like it as much as i'd hoped i would... 😩

#it's not bc i don't like lwj!! he's a good character himself #and seems like a nice fellow besides!! #it's just... i really don't like the lan sect tbh #the cloud recesses is just....awful. #all those rules....it's kind of nauseating to me #it's just so restrictive #and when i think of a free spirit like wwx spending all his time there #being stifled #i just...! ugh. no. do not want. i know he's not really imprisoned there or anything #but even if he IS allowed to be himself.....nobody else is. THEY still have to follow all the rules. THEY are still stifled. and being urse #urself around someone who can't is just so awkward #i used to know someone like that as a kid #i used to feel so guilty #that i could just be and she couldn't. bc she was chained by her strict parents #even when they weren't around. idk maybe my parents let me run too wild?? i might be the problem!! i have a real distaste for authority! i #i am a hooligan!! a ne'er do well!! #none of the cloud recesses stuff is actually lwj's fault anyway #i think i just resent the fact that it seems like he LIKES it. and that just??? does not compute??? #i have a harder time identifying with him than with some of the other characters #i really don't dislike him!! or lxc for that matter!! #i just think the cloud recesses is fecking lame #lotus pier is so much cooler #birb says #fandom meta #xiancheng #mdzs/cql i WANT TO LOVE U #but i just.....can't?? ;A; #i'm sorry ;A; #ok ok i REALLLLYYY need to get back to drawing #i'm colouring it now it's nearly done