like izzy reaching out to cup ed’s cheek is an uneasy moment because it’s an intimate one, i’ll give that person that! this is their “kiss” in a way, where izzy reacts to ed choking him not with fear or anger but with longing and soft touch! he leans fully into it! like it’s unsettling because we’re watching from the angle of ed, who is upset and doesn’t feel this tenderness at all, but like, izzy is not mocking him or trying to make him feel violated or whatever, he’s trying to reciprocate what he processes as a vulnerable moment that isn’t that at all. ed lets go and steps away when izzy reacts not with anger or submission but by trying to explicitly reaffirm their commitment to one another, which ed doesn’t want to be the takeaway of the convo, bc ed is trying to reestablish himself as izzy’s superior (he’s literally his boss lol) and not as his equal. izzy leaning to cup ed’s cheek is a gesture that Not only is reminiscent of the jesus judas cheek kiss but also a very familiar, soft thing in response to violence. izzy isn’t scared of ed presumably because he feels that they have a bond beyond all of that. it’s also a pretty common trope (lovers touch to snap a person out of violence or whatever) that shows the bond between the characters not like, that one of them is sexually assaulting the other one by touching their face lol
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Why are Girondins so annoying?
Lmao, Robespierre, is that you?
Seriously, tho... Not sure why (if?) others find them annoying so I can't comment on that (I have some ideas, but I can't speak for others). Personally, I am not an expert on Girondins so I don't focus on them so much. I don't think they were "the best option" (not with the whole "protect propertyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!1111" shit that they had going on), and I disagree with a lot of stuff, though I do think some of them had some based takes.
But honestly? I am mostly annoyed at today's (mis)understanding of Girondins and flop takes that come with it. They are somehow remembered as these level-headed, "good" revolutionaries who want change but through democratic TM and not violent means... When they are the group who advocated for the fucking war that claimed hundreds of thousands of people (and also messy bitches who attacked their opponents - they were not somehow above that stuff).
Look. I love learning and researching frev. I like it even when the content is difficult or when I disagree with historical people. It's just so interesting to me. But I have a short patience for flop takes about frev that are just factually incorrect but try to sound profound (or, worse, like activism). Bad "feminist" takes are there, but also a lot of bullshit and misinformation about other things. Liking Girondins is often not about Girondins at all - it is about criticizing Montagnards, which is often based on incorrect info (biased Anglo takes, Thermidorian takes, horribly inaccurate online takes, etc.) If one wants to hate frev/Montagnards/Robespierre/whoever, be my guest, but at least be correct about it. Unfortunately, Girondins attract a lot of bad/incorrect takes precisely because of their reputation as "good" revolutionaries, which means people interpret them through today's lens, which in turn makes it very, very annoying to read.
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honestly I feel like the go to etiquette for ao3 should be if you read smth all the way through just drop a kudos..... ofc u can't force anyone to do anything but I figure even if I didn't wind up enjoying it as much as I thought I would it's the least I can do to show my appreciation when it was obviously good enough to keep me reading to the end
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okay though, i am sort of dying over the izzy’s like a little kid who feels like his friend was stolen away comment from con as much as i am the he’s too emotionally immature to identify love (and call it such) one.
the love thing is like... i think sometimes when we talk about izzy and love we end up at cross-purposes because we’ve all got a different working definition of love, and i’ve always fallen into the bluest eye camp where love is never any better than the lover; so izzy can love, in his izzy way, and not have it resemble any healthy definition of love on EARTH.
which is why it’s so perfect he never labels it? izzy doesn’t do any honest introspection! if he did, he wouldn’t be fuckin izzy. so he just feels things, surges and ebbs of something he won’t name. dude’s got this ugly, thorny thicket in his chest, and to reach his own heart he’d have to thrust his hands inside the ugliest, sharpest parts and then own them, get to know them, and call them his own.
izzy’s not emotionally mature: his love is nameless and childish.
which is why the kid thing is perfect? because the way izzy deals with ed trying to change and stede... existing, the reaction of a child: they stole my friend. they broke his brain, they changed him; he’s mine, and they can’t have him.
( ‘that bitch stole my man’; not NOT an adult version of this same logical fallacy. )
because the adult truth is people do not get stolen. they make choices and new connections, and nobody cast a terrible spell over them to turn them into someone new: they just liked those people too. and it’s entirely normal to feel jealous and possessive over a friend, or long for people to be what we want them to be so they can love us like we want them to love us.
but lucius is the one who actually has that one right: people in love don’t own each other. nobody stole our man or our friend, and acting like they did does a disservice to everybody involved.
god, i love that.
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no because i read the first like, four chapters of the outlaws webtoon and was immediately like "haha, no?? why is jay acting like bruce never thought of him as his son? why does this author have it out for b so bad?". i'm glad to know i made the right choice if it just got worse
I could understand the ‘wow, I guess I never really found a family with Bruce if this is just always how it’s going to be with him’ mindset, especially if Bruce was being particularly cruel with him.
[ Batman and Robin #20 (2011) ]
He can be cruel. Exploring Jason’s thought process, how he resolves this in his mind and comes to forgive Bruce again and again is something they could have at least touched on. Instead, they not only did nothing new to move the disagreement forward, but they also muddied it further, in a bad way. If they want to complicate (or worse, attempt to resolve) Jason and Bruce’s decades long conflict, that should be a separate comic entirely.
They could have just had Jason cut Bruce off completely (even if temporarily) with the set-up they had, but they did nothing with it (even though they could have avoided the mess they made if they took this route).
Bruce again does something unforgivable to Jason (but now his friends get fucked over too), only for there to be a half-assed make-up conversation that didn’t really address the real issue, and then there’s no further mention of it. Bruce put the outlaws in a simulation for months without their knowledge, and the conversation Bruce had with Jason later wasn’t even about this. Screw Artemis and Bizarro, I guess. They’re expendable because the core conflict is actually about Jason and Bruce.
I wouldn’t say the bad Brucie moments are too ooc based on how he is in canon. The abuse, and him being big on mass surveillance/never trusting anyone while being the one to repeatedly betray other people’s trust. It’s just all the other characters being so tolerant/accepting of his actions is kinda funny, it’s almost like they’re NPCs lol. But also again why are Bruce’s trust issues which cause a strain on his relationship with Jason a main theme in the outlaws book lmao
Ultimately what this webtoon did was take every irritating plot from Jason’s canon appearances, amplified them tenfold, and mixed in even more unresolved plotholes and horrible mis characterizations.
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ok guys i dont wanna be a hater but im gonna be 100% honest i didnt rlly like the nimona movie 😭 I MEAN IT WAS FUN. it was nice. but i feel like it was missing everything that made me like the original graphic novel and honestly by the last like 30 minutes i was kind of just waiting for it to be over so i could read the book again 😭 NO HATE TO ANYONE WHO RLLY LIKED IT believe me when i say i dont think it is bad or anything. but i feel like just sooooo much was changed that it didnt feel like nimona at all to me. idk how to explain it, im sure once i reread the book i’ll be able to put it into words since the original will be more fresh in my mind. i think it was good but as someone who was literally obsessed w the og graphic novel it was honestly kinda disappointing. but i dont rlly care honestly its still rlly cool it got a movie!!
but in my mind at least it proves that some things dont need to be made into a movie. ppl act like movies are the best form a piece of media can take and if something gets made into a movie then that’d be the peak form of it. but i honestly think nimona works wayyyyyy better in its original graphic novel form. most of the early stuff is way more slice of life lowkey stuff that lets you get attached to ballister and nimona as characters and get invested in their relationship w each other, BEFORE all the angsty final act stuff happens. also there honestly was just a ton of stuff that felt to me like it worked better in the original, like jousting tournament thing instead of the knighting ceremony, nimona being captured and being forced to turn into her “true” form rather than this new version with it just sort of happening bcuz of Emotions, etc. also the movie suffered from a lot of pacing and tone issues imo but the former i think is just from that lack of the slow buildup of their friendship, and the latter is something that i think just worked better in the book. idk again I’LL BE ABLE TO SAY THIS STUFF MORE CONCRETELY WHEN I ACTUALLY REREAD THE BOOK but i dont remember there being so much jokes and goofy shit DURING serious scenes. like iirc in the original during serious scenes it was SERIOUS. but in the movie theres so many unnecessary unfunny jokes and stuff. idk IDK i probably just had too high expectations idk. anyways
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