#but to say that Dean would kill Sam

[hippychick006]

I didn’t watch the panels but if JDM said that John would have killed Sam when it came down to it, I believe he would have been capable of doing that if he really thought there was no more options.

If he also said Dean would have done the same thing then no, he doesn’t understand that there are no circumstances that Dean would take that option. The only two times he’s come even remotely close, he was a demon in one and under the influence of the mark of Cain in the other. If he’s himself, even when Sam is begging him to go through with it, Dean would very much opt to take himself out than be forced to kill Sam (or die alongside him as in Croatoan and the mist in season 11). Dean also knows Sam would never kill him which is why he’d lined up Castiel to help in his plan to take Michael to the bottom of the ocean, because Sam wouldn’t.

#not sure what to tag this #but to say that Dean would kill Sam #say you don’t understand the entire premise of the show #without saying it

[angelsdean]

and what if i started 'dean is too nice to sam' truthing ?

#well. publicly. bc i already am truthing that sdjkfjd #LISTEN. this show was really really bad at portraying actual sibling dynamics dfkdgk like half their fights would not be that deep irl #like oh you tried to kill me? ok well here's a funny picture of dog and also that's you ok lets go get food #dean as the eldest sibling should've told sam 'i'm right bc i'm the oldest do what i say' like. alllll the time #bc he's right and he's the oldest :) and sam just has to accept that he will ALWAYS be the baby even at 39 yrs old #esp dean being a parentified older sibling like. sam is simultaneously his annoying lil brother AND his pseduo-child #even if sam doesn't want to acknowledge that dean was his main most stable parental figure growing up it doesn't change the fact that #for dean that's what sam is. and so oscillating between the two roles of older brother and parent makes for a complicated dynamic #where you'll like. die for them. but also tease them mercilessly and call them a lil freak and weirdo #(but if anyone else did that you'd punch them out) #but yea. canon dean. too nice. #should've teased him more and gotten into more play fights + actual fights that end w/ them laughing + getting slushies at the gas 'n' sip #siblings siblings #vic.txt

[staffs-secret-blog]

Why do we hate John Winchester for literally being a Vietnam war vet with just heaps of trauma on top of his trauma with trauma sauce, who didn't do a great job as a dad for sure. Still he did the best he could with the cards he was dealt.... yet we forgive Sam who literally went to Stanford and spent 15 seasons bitching and moaning about how life's not fair. To his brother who literally spent what felt like lifetimes being tortured in hell to save his sorry ass, lost everyone he ever loved, had a shot at the family of his dreams and had to give it up to keep them safe, AND kept a good attitude about the whole thing?

Honestly? Fuck Sam Winchester right in the bellybutton.

Leave me alone why did you send me this

#ask #anonymous #You conveniently forgot the part where Sam spent time in the cage getting tortured by lucifer after saving Dean's life #and stopping the apocalypse #Also Sam spent 3 times as long in the cage as dean was in hell #After his life Sam does deserve to bitch about wanting a normal life #Dean would kill you for saying this about Sam #And fuck john winchester #Look at this you drew out the supernatural fan in me #Very rude of you

[blushingsastiel]

another scene that I quite like is when castiel is spying on sam, dean, and bobby because they think castiel is working with crowley (they all don't want to be right) and sam says he would DIE FOR CASTIEL. and castiel is just there in the back like ":)" but also ":(" because he knows deep down that what he is doing is wrong. AND BOBBY COMPARES CASTIEL TO SUPERMAN GOING DARK SIDE AND DEAN REPLIES TO THAT WITH "that makes you lois lane" pointing to sam and the writers don't expect people to ship sastiel?????

#castiel #dean winchester #sam winchester #sastiel #supernatural #samcas #i love boyfriends who say they would die/kill for the other <3 #yeah sam is lois lane #and castiel is superman #i approve #bobby singer #this is me saying dean approves of sastiel

[deadwerewolfgirlfriend]

Supernatural 13.20 Unfinished Business

#can't get over 'he used me he debased me until I was-' (and he can't even finish it). spn writers s'il vous plait the hell #too many things to talk about at once #this episode gives us so much in 43 minutes and I don't even know where to start #if I analyze on the post I'll be here 12 paragraphs later breaking down the minutia of Speight's fantastic performance this entire episode #long story short what they're saying in this scene is: #gabriel: asmodeus tortured me (I will kill them) (I know it won't fix me) (I don't care) (Loki is mine. this is mine.) #sam: I understand (of course I would take a shot at lucifer) (I'm ready to die) (I want to die) (did I ever escape? will I ever escape?) #dean: revenge is a waste of time (with me with dad it only ends ugly) (I tried) (I'm always trying to change it) (I can never change it) #supernatural #spnedit #spn #spndaily #supernaturaldaily #supernaturaledit #spn gifs #sam winchester #dean winchester #archangel gabriel #gabriel supernatural #the trickster #spn season 13 #my edits #something about how they never joke about asmodeus. or late seasons lucifer. now that they know them they know how bad it is #and sam immediately 'i know' vs. 'haha lucifer wearing sam to the prom' from s4-s5 #sam what happened to you in hell. dean what happened to you in hell. daddy's girl broke in 30 and the reject son has never been right

[quietwingsinthesky]

like. “soulless sam killed innocent people and put dean in danger to get to his goals” Regular Sam Also Does This

#to be fair! he puts dean in far *less* dangerous situations! but like. not by much. #‘dean gets turned into a vampire to infiltrate the nest when we know we can cure him later’ IS NOT THAT OUT THERE OF A PLAN FOR SAM TO MAKE #the only difference between soulless!sam and regular sam here is that regular sam would have told dean about the cure upfront and asked if #he was cool with doing this. and like. guys. guys dean would have done it. quickest way to kill those vamps and save people? dean literally #would have done it. he’s killed himself for cases before this is not that weird. #im not saying that makes what soulless sam did okay. the violation of it is one of the most interesting moments to me in the soulless arc. #but what i am saying. is that the only weird part of this plan is that dean wasn’t in on it from the start. the rest was pure sam. #soulless!sam #sam winchester

[fuckspn]

sam told john "you did your best" and i whisper-screamed into the void of my empty apartment NO HE DIDN'T

#THAT MAN WAS BEATING HIS SON #THAT MAN LEFT HIS SONS ALONE FOR DAYS AT A TIME AND USED THEM AS BAIT FOR MONSTERS #THAT MAN ROUTINELY ABANDONED HIS SON FOR DAYS AT A TIME FOR SUCH CRIMES AS STEALING BREAD AND PEANUT BUTTER TO FEED HIS 12-YEAR-OLD BROTHER #DEAN COULD TELL WHEN JOHN HAD BEEN DEMONICALLY POSSESSED BECAUSE THE REAL JOHN WOULD NEVER SAY HE WAS PROUD OF HIM #sam fans make some noise tell me how john fucked up your boy too!!!! #i'm a deangirl so i only remember the specifics of what he did to dean but i KNOW he was awful to sam too #and i want more reasons to kill john winchester with my bare hands #the fuckspn rewatch

[samsupernaturalpussy]

Thinking about how a lot of the Supernatural Disc Horse could be resolved if people just realized that both Sam and Dean were violent men living on the edge of society doing bad things and trying to argue that "X is better because he killed fewer people and only did things in the name of family" or "X is better because he's less misogynistic" is an utterly pointless discussion.

Compelling is what these guys are, not good

#Supernatural #Spn #Fandom wank #Ig #Discourse #Think it speaks to media literacy as a whole #Like you get that Dean is aggressively misogynistic right #And has beaten Sam when he was either possessed or not in control of himself #And that his demon deal at the end of S2 which was amazing is technically selfish (or were you not watching him agonize for all of s2 #Over the deal his dad made?) #And that Sam both wittingly and unwittingly killed people #The nurse who everyone talks about (but it's hard to say if she was actually in control of herself) and God knows how many people #By letting Lucifer out #He didn't break the first seal and was heavily manipulated the entire time yes of course #Not downplaying that #Nor the torture dean underwent to break the first one #Idk there are a lot of people who blatantly flatten canon here and that would be fine if they admitted they did #Because it's fun #But they don't #And it's frustrating as hell

[scoobydoodean]

I see this held up as major proof of Dean's badness, but couldn't it also be proof of Cas having faith Dean can get past anything without Cas having to change his behavior? The way it's structured the onus is on DEAN to work through it, not others to change or make amends. ---- CASTIEL: You know, Dean, he – he feels things more acutely than any human I've ever known. So it's possible he could work through this. One day, he may explode and let it all out and breathe deeply and move on.

I see what you mean in a general sense, and it's extremely possible that Cas is thinking about his own past fights with Dean and Dean forgiving him, and from the perspective of the critique you have in mind that you're refuting, I agree. But of course deancrit casgirls will forever insist that Cas has never in his life done anything harmful to Dean either accidentally or on purpose, so any time Dean might dare try to hold him accountable for anything, he's actually just making shit up and being toxic and controlling, so here Cas is just apologizing for his own abusive relationship. You can only get their take by being deliberately obtuse/disingenuous.

That said, the context of that line (from 15.13 "Destinty's Child") is Cas answering soulless Jack's question about whether Dean will eventually forgive him for murdering Mary.

CASTIEL: Hey, Jack. JACK: Cas, you know what's good about being dead? CASTIEL: Uh, as I recall, very little. JACK: Well, when you come back, you – you really get into all that life is. Hot, cold, sweet, spicy, funny, scary. CASTIEL: And are you? "Into it"? JACK: I want to be. But I don't... feel things the way I used to. Before I lost my... CASTIEL: Your soul. JACK: I used to feel things. In my bones. It was glorious, and sometimes unbearable. But I felt them. Now, I understand joy or sadness, but... I know those things aren't in me. I understand why Sam and Dean were angered by what happened to Mary... CASTIEL: By what you did to Mary. JACK: Yes. I see that I've caused them pain. And it's clear that things have changed. Especially with – with Dean. Will he ever forgive me? CASTIEL: You know, Dean, he – he feels things more acutely than any human I've ever known. So it's possible he could work through this. One day, he may explode and let it all out and breathe deeply and move on. JACK: How long will that take? CASTIEL: I don't know.

And yeah—I have seen people refer to Cas's little speech here as "condoning child abuse" and other bullshit. Because how DARE Dean not forgive soulless Jack for murdering his mother (something soulless Jack is unable to actually really acknowledge he did). I mean clearly any time someone murders your mom because she made them mad and threatened their sense of security by asking if they're okay and saying their concerning actions can’t stay a secret… That’s just natural understandable stuff! You need to forgive the person who murdered her instantly and if you don’t idk you’re kinda overreacting don’t you think? :/ I mean your mom probably deserved it kind of anyway for reading the room so wrong and talking about getting a person help. And I mean if you don't forgive the person who killed your mom or do anything trying to stop them from hurting more people you're really a child abuser... toward an adult... who murdered your mother in cold blood and is unable to even understand why it was wrong in any sense other than an intellectual one like he read it from a book... preferring to refer to it as "What happened to Mary" instead of acknowledge it as something he himself did because he was mad and felt threatened—which is what he circled back to in "Jack In The Box" too. It's only when Jack gets his soul back that he's able to actually feel true empathy, acknowledge his real actions and the gravity of them, and give an actual sincere apology. Because his soul is actually important—something this fandom refuses, by and large, to notice.

Anyway, this fandom's take on Mary's murder and soulless Jack vs. regular Jack is overwhelmingly a bag of wet third grader vomit and feces so what can one expect?

#mail #soulless jack killing mary is popularly regarded as an accident... but it's pretty transparent that it wasn't? #or rather it was on purpose but he regretted it the second after it happened. but that is still. Something he chose to do. Not an accident. #He saw her as a threat to his relationship with Sam and Dean and he acted. #This is indicated right before he kills her. He admits it outright also right before calling it an accident which unravels that whole idea. #It wasn’t pre-meditated but in that moment he wanted her to die. She was going to tell everyone there was something wrong with him. #And he did not want that. #It wasn't an accident and he can't handle his own culpability because it threatens his belief that he can make things be the way they were #before it happened. Which is why he killed her to begin with! He didn't want anyone to know/think anything was wrong with him! #And just like soulless Jack just wants everyone to forget about it and act like nothing happened and he's fine... #Many fans want Dean to forget about it. They want Dean to believe and say and feel and think that Mary did not matter. #And that being upset at her literal murder (even if it was an accident—which it was not) is bad and evil. #And Sam's great capacity for numbness (which we already saw in season 13) strengthen's their own lack of empathy for Dean #in a situation that in real life they would understand unless they're actual psychopaths. #It's only because Dean is a character in a narrative representing the need/capacity to be loved and accepted at all #that these demands that his thoughts and feelings bend to everyone else's emotional needs become so disturbingly intrusive #dont feed the stans after midnight #and cas is my best friend #hot girl cas

[sbd-laytall]

#I would just like to say that I KNOW that there are scenes where Sam slices his arm but for some reason I couldn't find any #and this gifset has been in the making for about a year so I really want to finish this #I remember I was watching Yellowjackets for the first time and I was discussing it with a mutual and I realized how much these two are alik #well there's the obvious: after traumatic experiences they endure mental health issues where they hallucinate and get electro-shock therapy #but there's also how Lottie finds comofrt in faith and religion just like Sam (at least in the beginning) #Sam has his powers that he gets from the demon blood in him and Lottie has her connection to the Wilderness so they're both kind of psychic #both of them feeling so lost and angry and being terrified of themselves #Lottie's dad wanting her to be 'fixed' and Sam's dad telling Dean that if he can't save Sam then he needs to kill Sam #and finally they just both feel very queer to me #Lottie losing Nat just like Sam losing literally every woman he's ever loved #tw electrocution #tw blood #tw self harm #hallucinations tw #lottie matthews #yellowjackets #sam winchester #supernatural #spn #gifs are mine #my post

[barry2018-2023]

how far do we need to go as a website before someone makes an incest tournament poll blog

#i just think it would be fun . and that people will be killed #im talking like. imagine dexter/debra vs sam/dean. brother against brother. war. bloodshed. i'm just saying.

[shallowseeker]

Who is your fave member of TFW?

Cas.

IMHO, the way he fails makes him feel more like The Protagonist. This is also what draws me to Mary and Jack in the later seasons. (That stuff keeps blowing up in their respective faces is Chef's kiss for me. I love them!)

DEAN (about Cas in 12x19):

Dean: Well, he hasn't exactly had a banner year. I mean, think about it. Between Lucifer (Blows air) killing Billie, Ramiel, everything's been blowing up in his face. And he's so desperate for a win right now, he can't even see straight. (gestures to truck) Go ahead and give it a try. (Sam climbs in truck)

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Exodus

via @spnscripthunt

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12x22

TONI: Mary's programming… It's permanent... The Mary that you know, the good Mary, she's hiding behind impenetrable psychic walls. And I'm afraid these walls... (Scoffs) Well, they can't be torn down with grenades. Your mother can't be saved. (Mary smirks)

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it's just so....I love them. They're trying their best! They're failing! They're accidentally almost-and-in-some-case-actually destroying the very things they sought to protect!

#i super like the angel and military politicking sorry/not sorry #and i'm 99.99999% sure i would've quit watching if it were Sam and Dean alone #tbh even dean's other relationships don't compel me all that much sorry multi shippers i just know i wouldn't bother if cas wasn't around #also it's annoying the way sam always says let's go be the Good Guys and dean brags about killing hitler #we're the guys who saved the world etc etc #is like SUPER boring to me #give me failure #i was hoping the gamblers would let them keep their bad luck and struggle through #ALAS #yeah yeah i get that it's mean to highlight their actual antihero-ness but it's ALSO so goddamned annoying <3

[freakshowcowboy]

nearly three years later and i am a blubbering wreck because dean winchester, passively suicidal most of his life, sure he would die young and bloody, died young and bloody

#he literally #i just #why would #who the fuck thought that was a good idea #who the fuck said yeah lets kill the depressed alcoholic prematurely and call that a happy ending #RIGHT after he says he aand sam need to keep living so as not to waste cas and jacks sacrifices. #fuck off and eat shit #yeehawing #spn #dean winchester

[daddyissuesnatural]

On this rewatch I identified the exact point that I started hating Dean, which I think is fun. It's 04x04 Metamorphosis and it's because of how he treated Sam <3

#was literally going through seasons 1–3 going 'wait am i a dean girlie actually? is he good all of a sudden?' #and then he does. basically everything he does/says in metamorphosis and it killed all love for him and i want to kill him with hammers now #if hell was like a bad heaven where you relived your worst memories that episode would be the nexus of sam's hell #my post

[jensensitive]

So what did show creator Eric Kripke think of the ending? First, let's remember where Kripke's story ended. "In my last episode, 'Swan Song,' I probably, in hindsight foolishly, spent maybe like 80 percent of how I wanted that show to end. I didn't know it was going to go 15 years. I probably wouldn't have done that again had I had another chance but I thought maybe there was another year or two! Outside of a few little scenes and a few more moments, that was the meat of where I thought this show should end, which is Sam versus Dean and then ultimately good versus evil but brotherhood wins and sacrifices are made." When the show didn't end in another year or two, Kripke says, "From that point forward, it's inevitable that over many years, the show is going to spend every idea I had in terms of where it could go or end. By the time they reach this ending, it's not like I had some preconceived notion of how it should end. I was completely open-minded to what the gang was cooking up." So how did he feel about the final pitch? "I had a long talk with Jensen [Ackles] about it and I had a long talk with [co-showrunners] Andrew [Dabb] and Bob [Singer] about it and I think it's the best possible ending for the show. It was interesting, they pitched it to me and I went off to think about it for a couple days, and admittedly, me being me, I spent some time thinking, 'Okay, is there any other ending I would pitch back that I think is better?' And I spent a couple days trying to chase down a couple avenues and couldn't come up with anything better. So I went back and I was like, 'Guys I think it's the right one.' There's some substance to it but there's something emotional, I think there's a positive energy around it." "I will say this," continues Kripke. "There's only one scene that I haven't done that I would've done for the end of the show and I'm certainly not going to give it away, maybe one day I will. But I can assure the fans that my ending was so much darker than the ending they're going with, so anyone who's like, 'Kripke should've ended it,' I'm like, 'You would've hated my ending!' Because it was a horror movie and it was going to have a horror movie ending, so I can promise you the ending [they went with] you'll love much more than if you had let me end the show." (Kripke, EW, nov 19 2020)

anyway.......

#he would have had sam and dean kill each other and he hasn't worked on the show in thirteen years #why would anyone want him to end things #unless you're a tragic ending fan but i'm not at all so #but neither is jensen so i'm not too worried about it #if kripke is involved he probably won't be able to completely ruin it #but idk why anyone would want kripke if they didn't like the s15 ending and/or don't want sam and dean to kill each other #and i say that as someone who did like the s15 ending (while hating 15x20 I contain multitudes) #eric kripke #ew #spn 15x20

[quietwingsinthesky]

Dean being supportive of Sam/Lucifer because from the outside it seems like Sam is into it and Lucifer’s turning over a new leaf when it’s actually Lucifer digging his claws into Sam with every new deal they make (a kiss for some information on a case, an hour in Lucifer’s lap for a weapon to kill something, Lucifer joining him in the shower for someone healed) while Sam has no way out but to keep giving more of himself. And Dean (besties with Crowley) is going “Damn, glad he turned over a new leaf. You know, I’d kill him if he ever hurt you. :)”

#like just so we are clear Crowley is a sad pathetic meow meow who deserves to be loved #he DID also rule hell. and by his own admission did monstrous things to get there. he killed Kevin’s girlfriend and tortured him. #so like. what I’m saying is that it’s not completely out of line for Dean to extend forgiveness for Lucifer. especially if Lucifer is trying #really really hard :3 (he’s not but he’s sure good at looking like he is!) #‘forgiveness’ also not actually real forgiveness but Dean Winchester brand: I won’t kill you on sight and you are useful to me sometimes. #he might also try to put Lucifer in a cowboy hat. which would go poorly. unless Lucifer thinks it would mess with Sam to fuck him wearing #clothes Dean picked out for Lucifer to wear. #spn #lucifer spn #sam winchester #samifer #dean winchester #tw noncon