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highgardenart · 4 months
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Lady Cassana Estermont
“The Estermonts were her good-kin through Robert, whose father had taken one of them to wife…”
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Happy International Women’s Day to all my lovely ladies out there.
Since the UK also celebrates Mother’s Day on Sunday, I thought I’d create this collage to honour all the wonderful mothers in the World of Asoiaf.
I had to use some fancasts but I’ll put it in the tags who’s who.
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sasha-naell · 4 months
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Our favorite asoiaf families at Christmas :
The Baratheons always spend one year with the Estremonts and one year with the Targaryens (the last family of Steffon). This year it's the Targaryens
Steffon will discover at the same time as the children the gifts that “he and Cassana” bought
Rhaegar and Robert will fight about 15 times: one will end up hurting and the other will be punished
Stannis will hide a good part of the party which will scare his parents because they can no longer find him
Rheagar will get a new wooden sword and his first and only instinct will be to test it on his cousin's head.
Tywin, Joanna and the twins won't come until the 25th for dessert and will still manage to get into trouble with everyone (Cersei said she didn't like Stannis because he's ugly).
Aerys will make a surprisingly delicious dessert
Cersei brags all afternoon about having seen Santa Claus in person (it was Kevan with a beard)
Robert accidentally ended up with Stannis' gift and had books and a stuffed animal. He's not a very good actor.
Joanna insult Aerys because of a very unwelcome comment and everyone agreed with her
Jaime will just run around screaming because he ate too much sugar
Robert sat on his mother's lap, fell asleep and didn't move again even when she put him in bed at the end of the evening
Steffon cried a lot before going because he was stressed, then when leaving because he was sad (and extremely overstimulated)
Rhaella and Cassana will start putting away the children's toys while they sleep but end up playing with them
Tywin will say several times that they should never have come but will cherish this memory (without ever admitting it)
Happy Christmas to everyone who celebrate it !!
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atopvisenyashill · 3 months
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is it okay that this lady is in the dead ladies club?
i simply wanted the excuse to talk about the moms. i'm not including ashara, elia, or lyanna in this, because the last two are plot relevant deaths and ashara's is left purposefully mysterious I think because we are going to get some sort of answer there (not even implying "lemore is ashara" here, i think the fact that we have conflicting info on her does mean something about her baby being relevant to the tower of joy, which means howland or bran/the weirwood hivemind are going to reveal that to us. will it be a huge reveal that shakes the earth? i mean, probably not, but i do think it will be relevant).
let’s gooo-
joanna lannister is a dead mom with some narrative weight to her. all three lannisters think about how different their lives might have been, define themselves by the gaping absence of her in their life, and the fact that jaime commits more violence in the riverlands, convinces himself it’s a job well done, and of all people it’s his MOTHER who comes to him in a dream just to be like “this is your conscious speaking, you’re a fucking idiot get your life together dude,” you really feel that this is a family that was wrecked by the loss of their mother at a young age. it Is noticeable that we don’t get much of an idea of her personality compared to the men tho.
can she stay in the dead ladies club? yes, i think this is a well thought out dead mom, i simply wish she had slightly more characterization than “loving mom & wife.”
minisa whent gets less characterization, i think bc we only have cat as insight into her, so i can sort of forgive that, esp since i do think it’s noticeable that for all cat is really fuckijg busy most of the time, she does think about her mother and wonder if she would have been happier with her mother around. lysa & edmure only get to be Like That because they really had no adult taking care of them except cat who was still all but a child herself, so you can feel minisa’s absence in the characterization of her children and the damage her death did to the tully siblings.
can she stay in the dead ladies club? yes, i think this is a well thought out dead mom, although once again i wish we had the opportunity to get information on the type of person she was outside of "loving mother." i do think that minisa and joanna are meant to mirror each other in this way though - they died so young that they are forever frozen in the minds of their children as these paragons of goodness, as a reminder of where their lives went wrong, and what might have happened if things had been a little less sad for them.
what’s interesting about loreza nymeros martell is that we don’t even know what her actual name IS or her age or when she died AND YET despite how little time we spend with characters that knew her, Doran names her as an influence on him and quotes her, and this scene - “this is your kingdom” in the water gardens - is usually pointed to as one of those scenes that are The Point Of The Series. the writing around her is certainly clunky but at least you can tell there was thought put into the kind of person doran’s mother was and how she might have influenced doran's life. i also think it's notable here that we know she was up to things besides giving birth - she was a lady at court, she was friendly with joanna and rhaella, she was attempting to engage her kids to non dornish lords so she was clearly very pro-Dorne Being Involved as opposed to having an isolationist bent. we know a decent amount about her personality, and we don't even know who she marries, which is honestly kind of funny - so many of these characters only think about their fathers yet doran only thinks of his mother.
can she stay in the dead ladies club? yes, but we are deducting points for not having arianne think about her at all and also still not knowing her name.
cassana eastermont is a question mark but to be fair,,,,,so is steffon and that is kind of the point of both of them. cassana and steffon were at court, and then died, so like the other siblings of this era, the baratheon boys grew up Without An Adult In The Room except for Maester Cressen. the tragedy of Cressen being helpless to keep his boys together, and dying in a vain attempt to save what’s left of stannis and renly’s souls, it doesn’t really work if any of them have a lot of fond memories that they dwell over of cassana or steffon. and no one has any real idea how aware steffon was of the whisperings of rebellion against aerys because they’re so absent from the narrative, it’s funny that their son then became the face of that rebellion despite steffon’s targaryen mother. BUT. yeah it does objectively suck that we don’t know what cassana was up to before she had her first baby and then she dies, bc at least we know steffon was alive and doing shit, we’re just fuzzy on what. cassana begins and ends as a wife and mother, that really sucks and i wish we had gotten a single person throwaway commenting about her.
can she stay in the dead ladies club? yes, but i think if we had some throwaway lines about her, as an example, fostering at Storm's End so Rhaelle had some female company (since she had no daughters, and only the one son) and her and Steffon met and married that way, so that we know she existed before becoming a mother.
rhaella targaryen is an interesting example because we not only have several characters who remark on her and knew her, we actually get a significant amount of characterization for her. she was clearly romantic enough to entertain fantasies of running off with bonifer hasty and yet pragmatic enough to not pull a stunt like that. "mindful of her duty" as it's put, but also rebelling against her brother-husband in ways by being openly kind to rhaegar and embracing rhaenys and elia. stubborn enough to crown viserys on dragonstone. a loving mother whose loss broke viserys' mind. but...like did she have to die in childbirth? did daenerys have to have no memories of her whatsoever? would it not have been perfectly within the plot george wanted if rhaella and ser willem darry were with her, and died of a fever at the same time?
can she stay in the dead ladies club? no, i think it's really annoying and dumb that rhaella dies on dragonstone giving birth to dany. i dont think it changes the plot in any way if rhaella had stayed alive for four or five years after dany's birth, and if dany thought about her mother from time to time. it is honestly one of the my Main quibbles with this series, that dany never thinks about the women in her family when she thinks of leaders and rulers, only the men.
lyarra stark is in my opinion the most egregious example of a woman in the dead ladies club. no personality, no in canon mentions of her, no idea when she dies, george didn't even think about her until twoiaf. there were theories and mystery surrounding her and the answer was "george did not think she was relevant" and it sure is fun and intersting to look at which dead characters are irrelevant and which ones get characterization (see comments about steffon vs cassana). i get wanting most of the grandparents to be dead by the end of robert's rebellion - a lot of the point is that the sets of siblings from the rebellion era are very isolated from their childhoods, signified by the losses of their parents and especially their mothers (as motherhood and childhood are kind of intrinsically linked together). but why did she have to die before the rebellion? why does ned never once think about her? why must it always be the mother who is inconsequential while the father makes history? to throw george's own words at him, the woman is important too!
can she stay in the dead ladies club? no, there's just no reason why she couldn't have lived to the rebellion, been the Stark in Winterfell alongside Benjen, and died during the war, either of grief, shock, or potentially even after an attempt at finding lyanna herself goes awry.
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beneaththeshadows · 1 year
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Lady Cassana Estermont and little Stannis
This is a (very late) Mother's Day post so here's Cassana and her little baby laughing at Storm's End while catching a breeze
Major thanks to @kaymcgivemeacall for the suggestion, i really had a lot of fun doing this
I should've posted this before, but let me tell you, I had a very fun day with my mom, so I forgot the phone for a while (the internet where I was was terrible anyway, so not much difference), and this time I set a timer on to count how long I took to color it, and I still can't believe it took me almost 5 hours to finish the whole thing
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gothgleek · 9 months
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Baratheon ladies wearing elaborate escoffions that resemble antlers is my new favorite thing in the @15-lizards fashion history analysis posts.
It’s said that Rhaelle brought the fashion to the Stormlands before realizing how impractical it is, however I can see Cassana wearing it when she comes to King’s Landing court where the weather is a bit more tolerable. Cersei would bring it back in fashion early in her marriage when she’s still pretty happy she’s Robert’s wife. It’s something super elaborate she can use to show off her new house that stays true to her Lannister roots of being ostentatious. She also probably saw Cassana wearing something similar when she was younger and Cersei is really clinging into ‘better days’ at this point. The red she wears matches Baratheon yellow rather than Lannister gold and she has a chain like design across her bust made of rubies and gold to show she’s not truly comfortable with her gilded cage marriage.
Margaery also follows this trend during her marriage to Renly. It’s more subdued than Cersei because she’s trying to market herself as the more relatable queen and because she lives in the Stormlands. Due to the weather she saves it for formal events like tourneys and galas and maybe for parades for the small folk. I can also see her bringing this back to invoke nostalgia in older small folk and minor houses. Wearing brown instead of black also makes her look softer as well. TBH she’s the one I struggled with most because the Stormland fashion doesn’t suit her character. I might have to redo her on a later date.
(Something about women marrying into the Baratheons and something about overcompensating in order to assimilate something something).
Finally we have Shireen. She is understated compared to the other women but still very gorgeous. I can’t imagine her in any flashy clothes, she is the type to value practicality but she would know how to dress beautifully for formal events. Her wealth is shown with furs and intricate embroidery and the jewels in her hair. Bits of her outfit are inspired by the women who came before her but still uniquely her own.
Anyway thanks for reading!
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gafellique · 2 years
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BARATHEON BOYS AS YOUNGSTERS... I like to think Stannis was a bit of a mommy’s boy even if Robert was the favorite child overall. He was such a depressing little freak but he clearly was a little more tender as a child (Cressen worrying about Stannis being unloved, him nursing the goshawk back to health, etc)
THUS: Lady Cassana looking over his bruises after getting trounced by Robert, and the two older boys wondering what to do with a BABY after their parents dying.
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fromtheboundlesssea · 3 months
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No King At All Chapter 80
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Tywin XXXX (268 AC)
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warsofasoiaf · 1 year
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What relationship do you think stannis had with his parents?
Given how Steffon found Patchface and wanted him to be brought back so he could help Stannis left, I think Stannis's parents were deeply concerned with his mental health and wanted to help him. So in that sense, there was a personality clash. Stannis was probably a dutiful son and tried to do his best to impress his parents, but a mismatch in personalities meant that both sides came out of it somewhat frustrated and unfulfilled. But again, given that Steffon really tried with Stannis, that strikes me as Steffon trying his best to be a good parent.
Thanks for the question, Anon.
SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King
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ladymarys-blog · 2 years
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Women of Robert's Rebellion.
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1. Elia Martell.
2. Ashara Dayne.
3. Catelyn Tully Stark.
4. Lysa Arryn.
5. Cersei Lannister.
6. Joanna Lannister.
7. Rhaella Targaryen.
8. Lyanna Stark.
9. Cassana Baratheon.
I did it all in a game.
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ladyofhimring · 2 years
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Minor ASoIaF Ladies [2/?]: Cassana Estermont
An ounce of mother is worth a pound of clergy. Spanish proverb
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coldraindropsss · 11 months
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Joanna Lannister and Cassana Estermont, two mothers
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sasha-naell · 3 months
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Cassana : One day you will probably have to get married. I sincerely hope that you find a beautiful and intelligent woman. Sometimes we don't have the luxury of winning both.
Stannis : but you win father, right?
Cassana : ...
Cassana : your father is absolutely beautiful
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womenofwesteros · 1 year
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Cassana Estermont
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melrosing · 2 years
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If Cassana had stayed home with baby renly. How much of an effect on stannis, renly, Robert and Roberts court would Cassana have? Or would she not have that much of an asffect, being renly’s regent until 293 and then going to court so cersei, Jon and Robert would all be like cannon? What do you think? If grrm took inspiration from the York brothers do you think she’d be a cecily Neville type influence
Hard to say tbh because she's even vaguer than figures like Joanna and Elia, there's almost nothing to go on with Cassana in terms of what she was like as a person.... but if she'd survived I feel like the biggest difference would've been with Stannis? The trauma of losing both parents seems to have the biggest impact on him of three Baratheon brothers, he seems to have felt quite adrift since then.
I think ultimately Robert was always going to be Robert, his primary grief is over Lyanna rather than anything else... but you could theorise that Cassana might've done something to mediate between Stannis and Renly circa ACOK. Then again, I don't want to just assign the mother as mediator - like who knows, maybe she had a favourite lol
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