#dopplegangland

[girl4music]

WILLOW: “It's horrible! That's me as a vampire? I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.”

BUFFY: “Willow, just remember, a vampire's personality has nothing to do with the person it was.”

ANGEL: “Well, actually...

*gets a look from Buffy*

That's a good point.”

Can we discuss how ‘Doppelgängland’ presents a study case for Vampire Willow being like human Willow if Willow was suddenly missing an internal moral compass? I talk about Willow’s repressed sadism a lot and some overwhelming evidence for it is that there exists a vampire version of her in canon that’s a literal sadist and is just as evil as Angelus is. That enjoys inflicting torture and pain purely for fun. That has a good old time being indisputably sadistic.

Dark Willow - even though she has a soul and is human - thrives in the killing and the torturing of Warren and Rack. Yeah, she’s corrupted by black magic and feels nothing but vengeance, anger and hate. And yes, the people she does end up actually killing deserved it. But the point is that this is what she can be like even when HUMAN, even when ENSOULED. So Vampire Willow is interesting because that’s a Willow that isn’t either human or ensouled and how sadistic and evil she can be without an internal moral compass and without her humanity is reminiscent of Dark Willow.

And so I can’t help thinking that maybe that vampire has nothing to do with the demon that “possesses” Willow. Maybe the reason why that particular vampire is “so evil… and skanky… and kinda gay” is because that’s the human that the vampire is informed by. That it’s because it’s Willow why Vampire Willow is like that.

And I know it’s just for jokes why they had Angel start to say what he did in response to Buffy’s comment to Willow in trying to reassure her that that vampire is just an evil demon and has no bearing on her character at all… But I really wish we had got to hear what he was going to say. If I had to guess I feel like he was going to say something like “Well, actually… that’s not quite true. A vampire’s personality is still informed by the human that died even if it is not the person it was.”

But with Vampire Willow… the question is just how much of alternative human Willow informs her and how much is really just a demon from the ethers “possessing” the body of the alternative human Willow that died? You would think adding this particular situation on to the soul lore would be in support for it being demon possession… but I’m not so sure that that is so when much of the Willow that we see later on is what we get with Vampire Willow.

See for me, ‘Doppelgängland’ comes off more as foreshadowing than it does in being an addition to the soul lore that provides evidence for the perspective that vampires are a demon possession of a dead human because it does the entire opposite in telling and showing that to be the truth as they give us a significant look in to what Willow would be like both without a soul and without her humanity - which for me don’t mean the same thing because I don’t think of the soul that way. See, I have a very specific understanding of what a “soul” is and I don’t think of it as the human itself or as the person itself. I think of it as an internal moral compass for the human or person.

Which then further means if that human or person is suddenly bit by a vampire and dies - it doesn’t come back as a vampire because its body is possessed by a demon. It comes back as a vampire because IT IS a demon. A newly created or newly born demon in a human body that is informed by both the demon AND the human respectively. That’s why and how it can’t be a possession by the demon or human because possession means it’s an entirely different entity from the demon or human. And a vampire isn’t because it’s a half-breed of both the demon and the human. So it is still the same entity that died all the while becoming a newly created entity. It is, essentially, a resurrection or reincarnation of the human or person that died but just with personality traits and qualities that are only evil and sadistic in nature depending on what the human or person could be capable of that the newly created demon exacerbates in them with abandon.

Vampire Willow is a very interesting study case for this because what she is depends on whether human Willow can be capable of being that evil and sadistic all the while being a human. And… she can… as Dark Willow eventually and inevitably shows us. Yes, for her to get there it required the themes of power corruption, addiction and vengeance… but the point is that she was still capable of it. And, for me, it only just proves that if somebody that pure can become that evil and sadistic as a human… then so could we all.

Vampire Willow is not a study case for vampires being entirely different from their human counterparts. It’s a study case for learning that they are or can be alike if they’re missing an internal moral compass and therefore their emotions or desires were not being repressed. Vampire Willow is an uninhibited entity. They make that very clear in the writing when using it in juxtaposition with human Willow’s inhibitedness. Willow even acknowledges that both her and Vampire Willow feel like the world’s “no fun” anymore but then recedes that acknowledgement in the final scene, realizing that being “reliable dog geyser person” isn’t so bad. That she could actually be the entire opposite to that and she never wants to be like Vampire Willow if this is the pain and damage that she could cause.

So Vampire Willow truly is what we would get if human Willow was completely free of all constraints on her good character. If she suddenly believed that she didn’t need to be the good person she always is and could do what she wants without any thought for the risks or consequences of her actions and choices and without any concern for any pain or damage she may cause through her carelessness and recklessness. It is very much in her capability and nature to become what we see of Vampire Willow’s appearance. And I think that if Xander had not have been able to save Willow in ‘Grave’, this is precisely what Willow would have become. Not simply just Dark Willow. But Evil and Sadistic Willow. She would have lost her humanity.

Fortunately… she still possessed an internal moral compass and so her humanity won over the battle and Vampire Willow remained just a fantasy in fan-fiction. But it does give me pause to realize that Willow’s selfishness, arrogance and entitlement in Season 6 would still inform everything that Vampire Willow is precisely because she is the human psyche for her.

#buffy the vampire slayer #dopplegangland #willow rosenberg #vampire willow #dark willow #alyson hannigan #evil #repressed sadism #study case #character study analysis #characterization #character representation #character development

[confusedguytoo]

You know what's funny about Willow in Dopplegangland? Besides her reaction to being called reliable

But people get upset about her use of magic, when the only problem with what she did was moving her hand wrong. The stuff she was supposed to be doing because friends and/or authority figures wanted her to do was do a classmate's schoolwork and hack into the mayor of the town's computer

#willow rosenberg #buffy the vampire slayer #dopplegangland

[twd-podcast]

Double the Willow, double the fun. And double the adorable faces she makes. An all new episode of The Watchers' Diaries is out now and available for download. #buffy #btvs #buffythevampireslayer #buffyseasonthree #willow #willowrosenberg #alysonhannigan #vampwillow #dopplegangland #podcast #podernfamily https://www.instagram.com/p/ChDvL21lFFH/?igshid=NGJjMDIxMWI=

#buffy #btvs #buffythevampireslayer #buffyseasonthree #willow #willowrosenberg #alysonhannigan #vampwillow #dopplegangland #podcast #podernfamily

[juanabaloo]

LGBTQ BTVS t-shirt ideas:

And I think I'm kinda gay. - Willow (twice)

(part 8 / ? for Pride Month) (insp)

#btvs #happy pride #happy pride to Willow Rosenberg #narrator voice: she was indeed very gay #canon lesbian Willow Rosenberg #text post #this is a canon show quote #she actually says the same line twice #ep: 3x16 dopplegangland #ep: 6x08 tabula rasa #pride tshirt ideas

[kyliafanfiction]

“I killed her, and sucked her blood, as we vampires do.”

#Willow Rosenberg #Laugh Tag #3x16 dopplegangland

[normallyxstranger]

@bewitchingbaker sent: "Write me a starter where...Chris and Andy encounter dopplegangers."

     Andy’s eyes went wide when she saw two very familiar figures standing across the street. Immediately, she slapped her hand rapidly against Chris’s arm.

     “Look! Over there! I told you I thought I saw you earlier!”

     It appeared she’d seen someone who looked an awful lot like her friend—no, not an awful lot like but exactly like—and now there was someone who looked like her. 

     Shapeshifters? Demons? A glamour spell? Counterparts from another world? No option could amount to anything good.

     “Holy shit.” She narrowed her eyes. “Do I really look like that? Oh my gods, I'm hot.” But this was no time to bask in her vanity. Andy shook it off. “C’mon. Let’s get to the bottom of this.”

#bewitchingbaker #ask #asks #ask; character #ask; Andy #thread; Andy #title; dopplegangland (Andy & Chris) #//this is gonna be interesting

[btvsepisodetournament]

Seeding Round Poll 1

Tvtropes recap page

#poll #buffy the vampire slayer

[thepunkmuppet]

so I was thinking about the Key plotline as I often do, and the line “the monks made her out of me” is suddenly really interesting to me.

obviously what this means is that they made dawn’s body to have the DNA of joyce and hank, hence her being buffy’s sister and having the same DNA as buffy (“summers blood”). but like imagine taking that line literally.

“the monks made her out of me.” buffy has an identical twin.

obviously they didn’t do this because 1, they wanted a younger character to be in peril and provide variety in the cast, 2, having your lead actor play two characters would probably be much too much for them, and 3, the cost of having sarah play two characters and having to use split screen and doubles and stuff with the limited cgi of the time would just be too much. (dopplegangland was great but they probably couldn’t feasibly do that every episode for three whole seasons)

but just the concept of it is so interesting to me. this twin literally has buffy’s face, buffy’s voice, buffy’s body. but she’s not the slayer. dawn has to deal with being in the shadow of her slayer sister all the time, but the added strain of looking exactly like her and being the same age as her would just be so heartbreaking and interesting to explore.

I also think the impact of the reveal would just slap more. oh my god there’s two buffy’s!?!?!! oh my god buffy has a twin all of a sudden?!?!!!? there would also just be another level of angst, with buffy feeling violated that the monks just made another version of her and essentially used her body, and with the twin feeling like an afterthought, a duplicate, an impostor, etc.

plus them being twins would emphasise their bond more, as twins are supposed to have a really close and special relationship for obvious reasons. the monks made dawn so that buffy would protect her - the two of them having a strong twin bond and remembering a life of growing up doing everything together would really help with that!

also also I just love the idea that if the buffybot still got made, then at one point there would be three buffy’s but only one of them would actually be buffy. absolutely hilarious to me, smg would be working some serious overtime!!

I just love this concept and I might write it as a fic if I can come up with an actual plot. can any of you think of any names for this twin? or would she still be called dawn (what with the whole symbolism of the sun coming up in the gift, the foreshadowing, etc.) if you come up with any more ideas or discussion points about this au please lmk in comments/reblogs/asks etc, I’m obsessed with this idea and I need to talk about it!!!!

#btvs #buffy the vampire slayer #buffyverse #angel the series #ats #buffy summers #dawn summers #btvs fanfiction #btvs fandom #btvs au #sarah michelle gellar #michelle trachtenberg #buffy season 5 #btvs season 5 #I have so many thoughts on this #it literally just popped into my head a matter of minutes ago and the cogs started turning at the speed of fucking lightning #I can just envision it in my head so well!! as much as I love dawn and michelle trachtenberg this would have been awesome!! #btvs meta

[vineofroses]

Other Media - Buffy.

ooooh starting off very strong here! thanks Lim!

yes, i have seen Buffy!

My rating: 9/10

My favorite character: This is very hard lol. But probably Buffy. and also Angel and Faith, though my love for them has a lot to do with their arcs over on Angel.

My least favorite character: This is not hard lol. Xander.

The character I think I'd be friends with: Oz

The character I think I won't hit it off with: Xander. seriously fuck that guy.

My favorite episode/scene: well now this is impossible. but .... Hush is just too iconic not to be the favorite to be honest. but other stand outs are Dopplegangland, the body, lover's walk, restless, etc

Whose clothing style I like best: god i have no idea. they're all questionable lmfao. probably giles haha

Times I watched it (and if I would again): I first watched buffy in college ... maybe sopohmore/junior year? so around 2013-2014. I actually got stuck around mid-season 2. my interest was actually in watching Angel because of that one supernatural crossover fic i read so i was pretty much just eager to get Angel so when i got stuck/bored mid season 2 of buffy, i just said fuck it, and jumped to Angel. i can't remember if i then watched all of Angel first, and then went back to Buffy or not though. And to be honest ... I've actually only seen Buffy 1-5 all the way through. for seasons 6 and 7 i did a lot of jumping around, but because of reading fics i know mostly what happens in those seasons.

i would definitely watch again. I'd like to do a full watch through all the way to the end this time. just don't know when i'll do that haha.

ask me about other shows and movies!

#other media #buffy #asked and answered

[girl4music]

FAVOURITE BTVS EPISODE FOR EVERY SEASON

Season 1: Nightmares

Season 2: Becoming (Part 1)

Season 3: Doppelgängland

Season 4: Restless

Season 5: Family

Season 6: Once More, With Feeling

Season 7: Conversations With Dead People

Yours?

#buffy the vampire slayer #favourite episode for every season #season 1 #nightmares #season 2 #becoming part 1 #season 3 #dopplegangland #season 4 #restless #season 5 #family #season 6 #once more with feeling #season 7 #conversations with dead people

[oncemorewithqueering-tv]

vote: best buffy season 3 episode

i've included some fan favourites and also an 'other' option! this is for fun and also for science.

EDIT: SO MANY PEOPLE REQUESTED LOVER'S WALK I AM SO SORRY FOR TAKING AWAY YOUR SPUFFY OOPS

EDIT: ALSO SPANGEL WHICH IS A SHIP I WILL DIE WITH

#btvs #buffy #buffy the vampire slayer #tumblr polls #vote #buffy season 3

[mattholicguilt]

thoughts on "the villains of valley view"

I love Jake. he's just like "I'm nice now!" and his whole family is just [audible groan]

the surge and colby sideplots are so good shdhdjjd like they have a really fun dynamic.

"when you splatter me with something in one form, it's still there when I shift back!" "Oh.... well that's fun!!"

I want to see an episode where, for some reason, Amy has to take over Hartley's sunshine club responsibilities and Hartley has to go do villain stuff.

wait omg. Hartley should get a willow rosenberg dopplegangland moment.

I want the Maddens to get their fun colored hair back

I wish I could raid Hartley and Amy's closets. Disney Channel fashion has certainly come a long way from "layers that don't make sense"

I can understand why Thundermans/Henry Danger fans would be annoyed by the similarities (I never watched those shows though) but every time a joke is like. Just recycled from Lab Rats it cracks me up sjdjdjdj. chris and bryan were like It was funny the first time it'll be funny this time. fuck it. secret basement lair!

#vovv #the villains of valley view #villains of valley view

[happywifehappy1ife]

WHAT DO U MEAN UVE NEVER WATCHED DOPPLEGANGLAND IM SHAKING...

i apologise but every single time i'm doing a buffy rewatch i just skip it. i honestly don't know why that is. i also haven't seen past season three 😔

#i've seen the first three seasons multiple times over the years though #asks ♡♡ #wait

[5bi5]

Faith exploring her new apartment in s03e16 Dopplegangland

#btvs #buffy #buffy the vampire slayer #faith lehane #looks like i can make buffy gifs now so i'll get working on that anon

[sunnydaleherald]

The Sunnydale Herald Newsletter, Thursday, November 23

Xander : Happy thanksgiving.

~~Pangs~~

[Drabbles & Short Fiction]

The Thanksgiving Catastrophe (Xander/Spike, PG) by Forsaken2003

Vanity and Security (Cordelia, G) by Addicted2Angst

Vampire hollywoodienne (Buffy/Faith, T) by FridayQueen

Fixation (Giles/Spike, M) by Anonymous

Thankful or Not (Buffy/Spike, T) by violettathepiratequeen

"Happy Thanksgiving, everyone" (Giles/Reader, sfw) by noceurstars

[Chaptered Fiction]

I Can't Remember, Chapter 6 (Buffy/Angel, E) by MeTheMermaid

THe More the World is Changing, the More it Stays the Same, Chapter 1 (Angel/Spike, M) by the_widow_twankey

Cherry on Top, Chapter 1 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by Maxineeden

Dead End Plots, Chapter 19 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by Melme1325

To All We Guard, Chapter 12 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by simmony

Crash and Burn, Chapter 19 (Buffy/Spike, NC-17) by NautiBitz

The Magic of Sunnydale, Chapter 3 (Crossover with Harry Potter, FR15) by Buffyworldbuilder

The Corridors of a Twisted Mind, Chapter 37 (Multiple crossings, FR18) by johnsmith

The Prodigal Boyfriend, Chapter 2 (Buffy/Spike, 18+) by myrabeth

A Son's Love, Chapter 13 (Buffy/Spike, 13+) by Fancyflautist

The Plunge, Chapter 13 (Buffy/Spike, PG-13) by Harlow Turner

What the Drabble?, Chapter 45 (Buffy/Spike, R) by VeroNyxK84

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[shesonlylittle]

In Between the Wrong and the Right

A Fexi Buffy-verse One Shot Follow Up!

Rated E, ~8500 words

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“Day after day, month after month, year after year! Like, I… I don’t even mean this in a bad way or anything,” Jules rages, unearthing a spherical bobble wrapped in a layer of paper, “but sometimes I just wish…”

Alarm bells start to ring in Lexi’s head. That’s never a good start. Wishing when holding magical items is like a number one, All Time kind of mistake.

Her hands fly out toward Jules. In her periphery she sees Fez’s hand dart out next to her.

“…that Cassie had never even been called as the Slayer.”

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Time for a Wish/Dopplegangland One Shot! i.e. time to let Vampire Lexi inspire Witch Lexi to get a little freak nasty. As a treat. (Having some dom!Lexi sub!Fez fun in honor of @feelavalanche 's birthday!)

#fexi fanfic #fezco x lexi #one that really screams #the Fexi Buffyverse grows... #also happy birthday paige! #sorry I'm a couple days late!