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findafight · 1 year

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I apologize, you hit another one of my buttons but like I have mixed emotions on the whole basketball/DND thing in season 4. The way the show punishes Lucas choosing basketball over DND, as if other party members don't have interests outside of DND, is so frustrating. Lucas has to realize that "normal is a raging psychopath" when it's really not? He wasn't dropping his friends or interests to play basketball. He just had a conflict on one day. And if the Duffers didn't have an agenda, this is all it would be. Lucas likes two things and once they unfortunately happen to collide and he has to skip one of them. It's not a punishment, but rather something that people have to deal with sometimes. It's just so frustrating that the show punished Lucas for having interests outside DND, when Will has art, and Dustin has his radios!

But as someone who organized events when I was in high school, it is so hard to schedule things so that everyone can attend if they want to. Especially in the evenings. And at some point if you can get most people that you need at a time, you take it. So I can understand where Eddie is coming from, that it might not be worth it to cancel/reschedule the last session at the last minute when only one person can't make it. So I understand why Eddie might not want to move it. But again, they shouldn't have made it seem like it was a punishment for Lucas doing jock things.

But like Dustin and Mike! These two chose a game over supporting their friend and then they dragged that Lucas's sister into the game as well, so she wasn't there either! And Dustin and Mike did have a choice to say to Eddie, no, we want to support our friend, you can run the campaign with or without us. Because missing one person is one thing. Missing three is an entire other ball game.

And like all of this could have been resolved if they talked about it but now Eddie is dead so it's just a loose thread and a win for the Duffers in the nerd vs jock battle that only exists in their head.

Seeeeee the thing for me is, while I totally understand trying to coordinate a time to meet with everyone being difficult. It is! Group projects in uni are bonkers. But, Hellfire is directly called a club, meaning it has regularly scheduled meetings, presumably scheduled at the start of the semester (January) if not the school year. So it's not like they have to rearrange their schedule for this particular meeting, it's already ON the schedule. The make up might take work but. Postponing two weeks to do it on regular night isn't the end of the world. If the space is in use for whatever reason, people have basements and dining room tables.

I think it's mentioned that the championship game wasn't scheduled until like, a day or two before? If not it was likely at most a week and a half. With how Eddie talks about basketball, despite one of "his sheepies" being on the team, I don't really blame Lucas for being nervous to ask him directly. So like, there's a scheduling conflict, and literally any other session I wouldnt be upset. Stuff happens, sometimes you're down a player! You work through it with them doing something off screen. It's whatever.

It sucks but it can drum up whatever conflict they want from it I guess. It'd be a dick move to bring Erica (and his best friends) in when she could be supporting her brother at the championship but whatever. (Also. Introducing a new player character is kinda complicated? That's not something I would want to do in a finale?) It can be worked through. But. My experience playing dnd with people is that, y'know. The whole point isn't to beat the bad guy, it's to have fun with your friends? In S3 they sort of address this when Mike and Lucas half ass their way to finish Will's one shot faster! He's hurt partially because winning isn't what it's about! So having a player not able to make a major session for me just doesn't compute. I want my friend there! Who's been there from the beginning! I want to win with my friend.

Listen. I love Eddie! But he's clearly stuck in highschool clique mode, despite his anticonformist talking points, (something that is never brought up! Eddie's like stick it to the man! But as soon as someone steps out from the box he views as acceptable, he doesn't know what to do with them) and thus does things that are dickish. Someone in hellfire is on the basketball team, yet Eddie rails against them, doesn't even try to understand there's nuances. No wonder Lucas got Dustin (Eddie's favourite) and Mike to ask for a raincheck. Dustin and Mike could have stuck up for Lucas and said they couldn't find one, let alone three subs between them and the game. They could have gone! They should have gone! And the fact the didn't isn't brought up when it's already been an issue in S3 with Will, is a shame.

Having to cancel plans you're looking forward to sucks, but honestly it's more fun to reschedule big things (like a campaign finale) so everyone can make it than just. Replace them. Idk that's just me and my experience playing. We don't actually know how hellfire usually goes so maybe it's normal? Idk.

The show has this very bizzare view of jocks v nerds. As though every person who has ever touched a ball willingly is automatically a terrible person and only likes sports. There's sooooo many layers to it. Because people are complex. My brother was on like three teams in school, and a guy he was on football with that had a friend of a friend in common later said that he wasn't a jock! When I would have said he absolutely was. A nerdy one, absolutely, but definitely a jock.

It's annoying that the show just. Doesn't accept that people have many interests and sometimes those interests are sports. Sports are fun! Exercise is good for you! While, yes. Absolutely sports teams can cultivate a toxic environment, they can also be incredibly fulfilling.

It just feels like the Duffers want to punish anyone who dares like sports in any way tbh.

#lucas sinclair #eddie munson #stranger things #stranger things meta #anonasaurus #findaanswers #finda's rambles

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pinkdevile · 2 years

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In defense of: steve harrington and billy hargrove.

the lawyer(me✨) shall begun:

first of all, thank you all for having me in this commom day where nothing except my boredom and good mood is above average. ill show the jury the proof that those two dudes who are not my clients but i like them are not bullies.

Steve Harrington: he's well off enough, hes 16 in the first season and a pretty nice boyfriend. he has asshole friends and so what? everybody has some of those. oh, he slut shames Nancy? He just saw his girlfriend in the room with a boy that he knows is from the circle of people she knows (being the older brother of mike's best friend that went missing, also he took pictures of nancy and steve in a intimate moment, wtf jonathan.) then he did something dumb. But honestly, he was quite level headed about this whole shit.

He called Jonathan a slur but so what? Literally so what? thats the 80s if you dont wanna hear about slurs then peace out. he helped clean that thing he vandalized that i forgot the name because English before he goes after Nancy and Jonathan to apologize, he choses to do the right thing over doing things out of guilt. Thats a fucking awesome thing.

His only crime is being to easy to have his ass handed. Let this man beat someone up.

Billy Hargrove: Yeah this dude is sucks (cock) but hey i like him. Everybody knows the shit he went through, shitty dad, shitty mom, sudden shittier step mom, annoying lil step sister. my dude is an angel for not having commited a felony by now. People accuse him of being racist because Lucas is black and he seems to hate the kid, i think is more because Lucas liked Max, and Max kinda has a soft spot for him in the S2 and Billy sees it. Hes not racist, hes a hater. Also, Max going missing is a shitty thing to do, then going missing and being found in a strangers house that everyone knows is from the zombie boy Will, brother of the creep Jonathan that takes compromising pictures of people in the bushes. Maybe he doesnt know the rumors, but damn if the house doesnt give him the heebejeebies, and he probable knows because Tommy H. and Carol works faster than the schools newspapper. So he sees an the guy he was trying to assert dominance in a gay kinda of way in the shitty house where his shitty sister is hiding, and the guy straight up lie to his face. Then he decides to clock the boy down as much as it hurt his heart (pretty boy harrington. ..), and then he sees Lucas and Max plus other 3 boys and he thinks: oh fuck.

Then he is drugged and almost dickcapped by said shitty lil sister. and he is impressed, but also scared because he just got his ass handed by his sister.

Conclusion: they both need to kiss and commit crimes.

PLUS: they talk like old people.

EDITED FOR CLARITY AND I WILL ALSO ADD: why the fuck hate steve for saying a slur to an not actual gay when he is best friends with an actual gay person. Neither Billy or Steve are shown bullying people in the show, Billy drinks beer and is a mean bisexual, Steve is a human labrador (hes dumb and cute and strong and he will bite you no matter the odds). Fuck the duffers, can i get an hell yeah?

ANOTHER EDIT:

so i just read online that Dacre refused to say a racial slur towards Lucas and my disappointment is imeasurable but not surprisingly. So i am now 50/50 with racist Billy and just paranoid Billy. in both cases hes an asshole. At least im relieved to know that Lucas would lay his ass on basketball.

#stranger things #harringrove #billy hargrove #steve harrington #billy x steve #billy probable was heartbroken in that situation #like #he wants to fuck steve and he just sees steve trying to hide max and some other four boys in a strange house #sus as fuck #imagine thinking that your crush has a thing for kids #or seeling drugs to them #steve didnt helped at all.#like wtf #tell a white lie #invite him in #flirt a bit #then max drugs him #sleeps like a beauty and wakes up #open fridge and sees a demon dog and screeches

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fractalkiss · 1 year

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could you do a director's commentary on 'who's gonna hold you down'? and/or ⭐ for your deaging fic!

i'm gonna do director's commentary for one of the parts that had me shaking crying throwing up when i was writing 'who's gonna hold you down' AND one from jwds deaging fic because that's fresh in my mind...rip. hope this isn't too much lol thanks for dropping by to ask these!

who's gonna hold you down commentary:

Lucas doesn't like to admit it but he's supposedly (claimed by Dustin) the worst driver out of them. Erica could parallel park better than he can, and she'd just gotten her licence. Even Will—who for some reason, swore he'd suck at driving, could back it out into a busy street with enough calm: whose wasted ass did you steal Jonathan's car for to go pick up? And still? Dustin had asked just a couple months ago in their chatroom, and Will flipped him the bird via text. That's what Lucas told Max anyway. What El tells her on timed phone calls under the phone bill's watchful numbers, was the abridged version but funnier versions, in El's flat unhurried tone. [i just love the idea of erica being able to parallel park better than her older brother and the idea of will taking jonathan's car in the middle of the night to pick up the guy he's been sort of maybe seeing on and off when he's drunk to help bring him home (shoutout to male oc lionel). will deserves so many good things and i want him to be HAPPY. @ duffer bros please dn't kill him off the next season. TERRIFIED for this guy, i want him to live. i'd also like to think that it's maxine and will who doesn't let el pull away from the group too much after her breakup with mike. i almost forgot his name as i was answering this, i was about to say finn wolfhard. my thoughts on el and mike is that there are no thoughts besides el needing to grow as her own person eventually away and separate from mike. me @ el: he's just some guy!!]

The thing is, she's never been impressed by sunsets. Not here, nor the ones that sprawled out over the beaches in California like something alive and hungry. Max imagines instead, a sliced apricot in place of the sun, glowing over the horizon. A side effect of Lucas always reading her to sleep when she was recovering from her broken body, before she got bored with the books she'd chosen herself and couldn't get past the reedy voice he put on for parental figures and asked him to talk about their friends.[max's whiplash in between wanting to die about lucas' impersonations and having to adjust seeing the world by extension via someone else while she's lost some of her vision in this fic, which i think can be pretty debilitating during the recovery phase for someone like her, whose natural inclination is to put up a wall up around herself and hold her own]

It was fine. Lucas didn't have rich or creative descriptions for them sometimes, but she listened. She listened, smiled, jabbed, and choked out laughter at all the good parts, until Lucas didn't have anything to tell her one day.[it's his loneliness upon max's loneliness!! secondhand! he does all this for max but what if it might never be good enough and max knows, so she reacts the way she does--she smiles and laughs and rolls her eyes as long as she listens. one chapter a day and they'll get through it one day at a time!! if she listens and lets him go on then maybe there'd be no need for to give any more of herself back]

"They ask about you," he said.[trying to get through to her via the power of friendship over long distance]

Max is too tired to shrug. "Same old."

"Yeah but, you know," Lucas said, in that voice Max simultaneously hated and loved.[i'd like to think they were 2 years going on strong here and then right after she was released, they took a break lucas knew she needed and then continued on strong again up to the present roadtrip scene] If she hadn't been jacked up on morphine, feeling vaguely disgusting in scrubs she sweat into a lot, she wouldn't have said anything. How unbearable, to still have gotten your feelings hurt by being told you were withdrawing into yourself, again. She thought her shame cortex for displaying basic human vulnerability should have dimmed down after dying once.[this is basically me questioning and navelgazing as i was writing: the power of friends and friendship might have saved someone, but what happens after that? what's life after that when things have to change and people naturally grow apart. in a sense, i meant for it to be max thinking she was gonna live her life every day to the fullest after escaping death, but she's still coming to terms with the life she's left with]

Now, she can smell the ocean, salt and brine after they've found a spot to sit.

They'd brought Lucas' bike, strapped to the top of his dad's car and wheeled it atop a road that stretched on and on, easy to pedal through with speed, almost as fast as being on a skateboard. Lucas mounts it, and Max gets on behind him.

"You wanna tell the others about today?" Lucas asks. Not what he'll think of today, but what Max thinks of, the things she wants to remember.[she remembers that there are people who's stuck with the life they're left with too, and that she can't fault them for wanting to share it with her.]

She can smell his clean shampoo, the dense thick pine along the road, and the taste and ringing of something close to happiness in her teeth.[needed sensory descriptions here especially with scent, i was not going to leave that out to describe familiarity and love] "Of course."

They start moving and set off, the wind rushing past their ears like a song[the kids biking + max going along on her skateboard really has become a staple in ST. i thought of kate bush's love and anger for lumax specifically, i think the lyrics encapsulates the kind of dread and hope for a future]

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hold your lost causes commentary:

i'll pick one scene that isn't too depressing (to me)

Dongsik nudges Juwon's leg with his knee hard enough that Juwon bristles and says "Don't," but he's smiling a little. Smiling just enough that Dongsik can push himself closer and crowd him in. Juwon tries to elbow Dongsik away, even though he's got his hands fisted in Dongsik's hoodie, shuddering at the warm contact when Dongsik tries to mouth at his neck, and looking pissed off anyway when he manages to straddle Juwon that way on the floor. It's not exactly roughhousing, with the quick kissing in between; Dongsik wonders very briefly if Juwon had anyone to play rough with, in boarding school maybe, or if that was too much for him.[i think i just loved the idea of dongsik trying to lightly roughhouse with juwon and playing unfair by kissing. i personally don't think juwon liked roughhousing at all growing up lmao, but it's dongsik unconsciously filing this thought away in his head to learn something about juwon for later]

"Ah fuck," Dongsik groans, slightly out of breath when Juwon shifts his weight in an actual clean semi-throw to get Dongsik off of him, and pins his leg. "Easy, my back is killing me, actually—"[i love the size difference. and age difference lol so many opportunities for the push and pull between them]

"Sure," Juwon says, but he lets Dongsik's leg out beneath him, one hand on his stomach tentatively, "I did ask you."

"You have all the advantage in the world. You just liked me doing that," Dongsik says as he runs his fingers through Juwon's hair now, tugs gently. He notes how dark Juwon's eyes seem to go. "Why judo?" he asks.

"Why not?"

"Didn't take you for a close contact kind of guy."[lol judo is a martial art that's about grappling, cornering into place/locking, and taking control over your opponent so like BESIDES the close contact, i think judo really does track for juwon. this is me basically taking advantage of the character outline in the translated parts of the script]

Juwon drops his gaze, pushes himself off and sits cross-legged. "Why taekwondo?"

"Jihwa's father had a dojang and held classes. He taught us."

"Oh Jihwa's father taught you?" Juwon repeats, as if to himself.

"My father encouraged it." Dongsik's father had simply told him when he was a kid that he had to learn how to fight. His brawl streak in middle school and high school became history. "He was always teaching me to fight for yourself as a man. Maybe you wouldn't have liked us at all if we'd known each other then."[i wanted to make sure it was clear in the phrasing that dongsik and his dad were evidently really close back then, besides canon knowledge of it from the drama. it's a reminder every time that dongsik actually had a decent positive relationship with his father in childhood up and juwon is like. acutely aware of this so he listens and tries to push aside his own experiences and understanding of fathers/family as he knows it. at this point after the deaging, it's where he's inclined to want to do this since he thinks dongsik has had a happier childhood--before the tragedy at least--and is thus by far the better person between them just for not lacking this in is early childhood--except dongsik doesn't think this and would never think this of himself.]

"Maybe," Juwon says, subdued. "I suppose it's what fathers do."

"Are you saying that for my sake?" Dongsik asks. There's truth in Juwon's words. The familiar hardness in Juwon's eyes now might have something to do with his father, with whatever Juwon had been doing in Seoul today earlier, but most of the fight inside him had been taught somewhere.

There's a rough, sharp-edged stone that seems to throw itself over in Dongsik's chest each time. He knows what that is, a reminder that's ugly and vindictive, a kind of animal in him that licked at its own wounds when Juwon stood by him years ago against his father.[the kind of animal i envisioned here was meant to be selfish with self-preservation instincts at an all time high ie. not thinking about whether or not juwon gets hurt protecting him, but thinking that it's only right that he can get hurt protecting him because i think, grief and anger is something that people want others to feel with and share and empathize with BUT at the same time, they'll cradle their own grief and anger to themselves and think "no, this is mine to bear and nurse. let me sit with it alone because you would never, and could NEVER understand." like. it's SO conflicting, jwds' relationship is like the ultimate conflict upon conflict LAYERED.] The same brutish, killing animal that imagines the look on Han Kihwan's face if Dongsik visits him just to tell him that his son's a keeper, uses his mouth for something pretty well.[dongsik imagines this, but would never do it because to see any sort of outrage from han kihwan as a father is complicated. would he rather have han kihwan show disinterest and disdain for his own son that he doesn't react? or would being able to hurt him this way actually feel good when that would just mean that he is, still a father most of all? tough choice! conflict upon conflict] But the other curious part of it now, is that maybe Dongsik's feelings are just hurt because Juwon is so careful about putting up a fort around himself. It's terribly ironic; Dongsik is supposed to be the expert here at that.

"Juwon-ah, you don't have to pretend for my sake. Not for me," Dongsik says, barely a whisper. With the rain outside, he's not even sure if Juwon heard it.

But Juwon is close enough that he looks up at him. Just stares at him from the other end of the couch, for what feels like a while, both of them silent like their heads are underwater. "Right. It's just a fighting sport," he says. He says this slowly, like he's really talking about something else.[he's talking about every toxic bad quality that was nurtured and grown in him because of his father]

"It's still you," Dongsik finally says. He'd gotten to know Juwon as a kid and he was always who he was: good. "Maybe I'd want to know. Maybe I don't. And then maybe I'd talk your ear off, would I have that?"[literally the closest to a confession i could write. "will you bear yourself open just a little more for me and listen to me talk your ear off in return??? hmu if yes". essentially, to let someone glimpse you for who you were before and still have them want to stick by you in the present and LEARN about you--that's trust and love baby!!!]

The non-committal phrasing only makes it so much easier to say. That's another thing Juwon learned to understand about Dongsik a long time ago, that he understands now.

"Troublesome," Juwon says, but it's soft. He doesn't make a move to leave. "You have that. You had me long enough."["that was all i've been trying to do with you!!!" (post-canon) "why else would i want to drink an insane amount of tea with u". lord i think i added this line like. a day after posting just because i read it again and thought a more proactive conversation seemed to have better impact, thus adding a line of response from juwon]

#director's commentary #deaging fic #stranger things fic #answered

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p1nb4ll741 · 2 years

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i am never trusting the duffer brothers again both of y'all can suck my ass bro

#stranger things 4 #stranger things #the duffer brothers

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steveharrington · 4 years

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what do you think are the problems with how the kids are written in s3?

okay to preface this some of these problems arent really Problems they’re like. nitpicks. and a lot of them are just a matter of opinion based on my perception of the kids so im not trying to like trash this season skdfjsdlkfj

max: i had the most beef with max’s storyline bc i think its the most like. egregious flaw of the season. im Not talking about her being teamed up with el, i thought that was actually great and one of the best parts of the season. im talking specifically about her dynamic with billy. after watching him try to beat up lucas and then actually beat up steve only like 8 months before the season you’d think, realistically, she’d be cautious around billy. in season two she was obviously scared of him, like in the car when he grabbed her arm and she was visibly terrified, so it makes absolutely no sense that in season three she’d be willing to sneak into his room and make all these justifications as to why he’s just a normal teenage boy. ive seen people be like “she was just in denial, she didn’t think he’d really kill anyone!” and like........yeah maybe? but she did watch him almost kill steve. their relationship is just so much more casual and like....friendly? compared to season two which like severely sucks because it sorta just erases any trauma max would have relating to her brother being violent and aggressive and prone to just attacking her friends. it was all part of this weird backpedal the duffers did to convince us that billy actually isnt That Bad and therefore deserves a redemption arc. as someone who really related to max in season two because of that sibling dynamic, it sucks.

mike: i think they took the whole “mike is a brooding asshole” thing way too far this season, and they have no real justification for it. in season one, mike is a fucking sweetheart. he’s selfless to the point of literally jumping off a cliff for dustin. he has a line where he’s specifically like “you’re All my best friends and i dont prioritize any one of you over anyone else.” in season two, he’s obviously moody and irritable, but that’s because he’s Insanely Traumatized. he formed a really close bond with el and then watched her fucking disappear into who knows where, he doesn’t know if she’s alive or dead, he’s terrified for will, it makes sense in season two why he would be so perpetually angry at the world and everyone around him. in season three, though, mike is in a pretty good spot. will is fine, el is fine And he gets to see her, his literal biggest problem at the start of the season is that he’s scared of hopper and his middle school relationship is in turmoil. it makes No Sense that he’d completely brush off will and then basically be like “fuck you gayboy” when will brings this up. like since when!!! does mike have such little regard for his friends!! it serves no purpose other than drama and it destroys basically his core character trait

will: obviously he was just like completely sidelined this season. i think it’s good that he has a storyline about feeling alienated from his friends as they grow up and he tries to cling to his childhood and the things that feel normal to him. my only complaint is that they gave him like, one episode to explore that storyline. also i really don’t think will would have so much outright contempt for el. like i get what they’re going for, i get that it’s part of his conflicting feelings about his own sexuality and his dynamic with mike and stuff, but el isn’t just a random girl to will. there should have been a little more nuance there imo

el: honestly don’t have that many problems with el’s storyline this season. i Loved the idea of her exploring an identity that isn’t just what other people think of her or expect of her, loved her hanging out with max, i even liked her investigating the billy thing UNTIL they just used her as a prop to make us feel sad for billy. but overall i think she had a really good story in season 3

lucas: again. severely underutilized. lucas is kinda just becoming comic relief which really bugs me because he was amazing in season one when he actually got to have a story arch that wasn’t just like. having a crush on a girl. i do appreciate that lucas had like 50 moments of heroism. idk if that was like, an accident, because they never really explicitly discuss it, but there were multiple moments in season 3 where lucas basically saved everyone’s ass. would’ve liked to see more of him and erica because she’s, yknow, his little sister and they barely interact the whole season.

dustin: ok ok ok OK OK dustin is complicated this season because they kinda did a complete 180 with him halfway through the season. i was Really vibing with dustin for the first like, five episodes. dustin has always been written as kind of a lonely child, even within his group of friends, and so i think it’s natural that he have a season away from them. the sweetest thing about steve and dustin’s relationship is that dustin has always felt to some degree like an outsider in his own group (in season one he’s already come to terms with the fact that mike likes will and lucas more than him) and so it’s doubly sweet that he befriends this “cool” “badass” older kid who’s actually super lame and he can be lame with. and for the first half of season three, they really cashed in on that bond. dustin and steve wrote to each other while he was at camp, they have a secret handshake, he Literally says the words “you die, i die” like it’s an intense bond that’s only natural from someone like dustin who is so intensely loyal to his friends and finally has someone who he can consider to be His Own. but then the moment steve and robin get taken by the russians it’s suddenly like a switch is flipped and dustin is just. annoyed and exasperated???? he’s not really in a hurry to get help, he’s not that concerned when steve is like laying on the floor with his face absolutely smashed to hell, he’s MAD at steve when he tells him that he accidentally gave up his name UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF DRUGS like it’s insane. the scoops troop storyline as a whole has this really weird, kinda disturbing, comedic tone and i think this just falls under that. they ultimately decided that dustin being an exasperated keeper of two stoned teenagers would be way funnier than dustin being genuinely concerned that his favorite person just got his shit absolutely wrecked. also, the suzy thing was weird.

#dis is so long im so sorry its just that head full #long post #anon #answered #st

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staceinthehole · 5 years

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The Duffer brothers can suck my ass already. Just give us a real trailer you fucking cowards!

#stranger things

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pappydaddy · 2 years

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I'm also super nervous for the new season of Stranger Things but for other reasons lol, mainly I just don't want anything to happen to my boy Steve. Like I'm so scared I don't even know if I can watch it without looking for spoilers bc I don't want to go in unprepared. I know I'm a little bitch but I'm just too emotionally invested in his character I could not handle the d-word without a warning. I used to be okay with stuff like this but after years of unnecessary character deaths from various shows I'm a little traumatized. 🙃

Also I'm super nervous how they will handle Billy's death, like from the trailer they already seem to paint him in a better picture than he actually was. (If Steve doesn't spit on his grave after Billy tried to kill him what's the point tbh?)

I also get your concerns, I don't watch Riverdale but I know from the memes the show is batshit crazy, however I still have faith. ST had always supernatural elements so for Max floating is not out of nowhere than maybe for a show like Riverdale. Plus the Duffers actually know how it will end soo idk it just makes me more at ease bc the Riverdale writers just make shit up for it to continue there is no end goal besides milking it. Unlike ST which will end next season, however I'm worried the Duffers called this season their Game Of Thrones one bc yikes (again makes me nervous for multiple reasons like major character deaths or bad writing)

If you want to watch a great show that is a bit similar to ST but much better in terms of writing, I recommend Dark on Netflix. It's a German show (pls watch with subtitles bc the dub sucks) about a small town and children who dissappear in mysterious ways. It's already finished and everyone was satisfied with the end, plus no kids floating lol 😅. I'm kinda proud of this show bc I'm German and it's like the first great show with international success, normally German productions suck ass.

- obx anon 🧡

my tumblr app crashed after i wrote a long, detailed answer to this and i lost it all🥲. luv u tumblr! i spent over an hour on it (on mobile). this is not even half of what a wrote, but my brain is fried.

oh my gosh, obx anon, i haven't heard from you in what feels like forever! how have you been lovely?

i am also a little nervous about steve being killed off this season. i remember there were fan theories circulating on tiktok that claimed that they 'felt' like steve was gonna get killed off this season, but i hope the duffer brothers don't. i feel like that would be too much trauma for the kids (and the viewers). as a writer, i can see the appeal of killing characters off, there is some sadistic part of us that loves killing major characters off. however, as a viewer, i will lose my mind if anything happens to one of the kids or steve (or robin). when i think about the duffer brothers killing steve off, i kind of remind myself that the duffer brothers do not rely on character deaths to make the show more realistic. i mean, obviously, when there is a situation where the group faces death every episode from an interdimensional battle, there are going to be deaths and the ending is not going to be a happy ending. however, the duffer brothers have proven that they do not rely on character death for realistic endings. i feel like most writers forget that unhappy endings do not always need death, it could be how characters cope and the duffer brothers are really good at not wrapping everything up in a nice little bow where someone is killed and people are sad. they integrate mental illness and suffering caused by trauma or people moving or making hard decisions to make the ending less perfect. that kind of soothes the worry within me.

as far as billy's death goes, i am very much afraid of how the characters will handle it. i know max is torn up and i am fairly confident that billy will get a redemption arch which is fine by me as billy obviously made a connection with max and that hinted towards character growth on his part. i am also pro-people changing their views after surronding themselves with good influences and educating themselves. however, i do not want to see steve and lucas forgive billy for what he did to them simply because he is dead. steve and lucas have no reason to forgive him, billy had made no moves to apologize or mend anything with them while he was alive so he does not deserve their forgiveness.

long-story-short, we have no idea if billy was going to change his bigoted ways that were ingrained into him from neil. while i want to imagine that billy was breaking free of the violence, aggression, hate, and bigotry that neil imparted to him, i have to remember what billy did to steve and lucas. i also, as a side note, have an issue with people who want steve to spit on billy's grave (which i have no problem with as long as it does not strain the relationship he has with max). they ar e pushing so steve to spit on his grave, and it seems like they are forgetting what happened to lucas. lucas needs to spit on billy's grave too. my bby lucas needs to heal from being literally attacked by billy. aside from that, steve and lucas can spit on billy's grave, but i cannot deal with billy's death putting strain on the dynamics and relationships between max and steve and max and lucas. i also kind of want to know more about how max and billy's relationship changed between season 2 and season 3 because max hated billy at the end of season 2 and in season 3 you could see how worried she was for billy and how the dynamic between then had changed.

this season has a lot of things happening and it seems action-packed, but i hope the duffer brothers did not forget about the actual writing. they were applauded for their character development and the actual writing of the show, not the action of it. i just hope they did not lose sight of that. which, i guess i am also fearful of poor writing.

but thank you for that show rec (and the reassurance that there are no floating people in it), i watch everything with subtitles anyway because i end up missing half of what happens if i don't. i will check that out once my brain has recovered from this semester of school!

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