#fucky s4

[feralnumberfive]

In 3x04 the power in the room goes out (besides what I'm assuming are emergency lights) when older Five dies. Does this possibly imply that Five was being used as some sort of power source for The Commission? They haven't explained the technology of the briefcase, but when your founder has time traveling and teleporting abilities that would certainly be put to good use to make a time traveling device....

#but at the same time Five would have noticed that the briefcases are very similar to his powers and questioned their source #so that contradicts my thoughts of them replicating Fives's powers from founder Five for the briefcase because Five would have noticed #and maybe the power was set to finally shut off in the commission when Five died #idk founder Five is still a fucky concept and they better elaborate on it in S4 #tua #the umbrella academy #umbrella academy #tua s3 #number five #five hargreeves

[inevitably-johnlocked]

Hi Steph, could you please point me to the meta about how s4 looks like some sort of staged show (characters breaking the fourth wall, weird makeup, visible cameramen...)? Thank you <3

Hey Nonny!

Here's a few I got:

Why Does Molly Look Into the Camera (HLV)

All The Instances of Fourth Wall Breaks in S4

Blog Tag: Something's Fucky

Blog Tag: Breaking the Fourth Wall

Is Sherlock S4 a Stage Play?

Mise En Abime

Sherlock’s Love is Eros

And Others' posts:

All Seasons: Physically Impossible Scenes in S4

Fucky S4 Things (Community Post, check all the threads)

Through A Glass, Darkly

If anyone has more (because I know there's a lot and I've so many blog tags to sort through), please add them here! :)

#steph replies #chatting with nonnies #sherlock s4 #s4 meta #sherlock meta #s4 is a stage play #breaking the fourth wall #something's fucky

[all-heartsarebroken]

So... AJ thought Mary had betrayed AGRA because he heard the guy who tortured him say "the English woman", but I thought we'd already established she wasn't actually English in HLV?? And AJ MUST have known that since they all had memory sticks with each other's backgrounds??

#bbc sherlock #sherlock s4 #sherlock meta #the six thatchers #sherlock 4x01 #mary morstan #the mary problem #something's fucky #AGRA

[yumenosakiacademy]

...why did canada s4 hav a non-singing rusical. they got 2 embarass themselves less than every other season queen.

#the other seasons hav 2 act like Fools n sing live n get read 4 their fucky singing n trying 2 sing n dance (or if the prerecorded then jus #their vocal performance) while the s4 queens r over here jus dancing over a lovely girl singing like. they should stoop 2 the same lvl. #delete later

[garkgatiss]

sigh. gark I miss having hope that this show would actually get another season. but we've passed the really big thing they could have been waiting on (end of Sherlock books copyright), a (beloved) main character's actor has died, the others all seem very busy with other projects that have come along despite Covid-related filming backlogs finally clearing up, and as far as I've heard there hasn't even been a teasing Instagram comment from Moffat in a while. As someone recently pointed out, this show has now been continuously "on hiatus" longer than it was originally on air. I know that one of the theories is that that's kind of the point; they're doing a meta-reichenbach or whatever and if you haven't spent the last six and a half years as faithful as John Watson was for *checks notes* uhhhh, two? you're not a True Believer but like... at what point do we have to accept that despite all the "desperate for more"s and "plot for S5 on the back of a napkin" and "people always give up after three"s in the world it's just not happening and never was?

(Not to be the John Watson allegory in the meta-reichenbach, but I just want to know why... why they would take something that was going so well for them and deliberately steer it into the ground with so many winks and nods and gaping plotholes it can't have been anything but intentional, if they didn't mean to accomplish anything by doing so!?)

The error in your logic is thinking that because S5 hasn't happened, it must not have ever been their plan. For years now I've used the hypothetical of -- not to get grim, and knock on every piece of wood on Earth I am NOT wishing this into being -- what if Ben or Martin died. There's a billion reasons that any given TV show doesn't get an additional season, but the death of a lead actor really puts the nail in the proverbial coffin. That was my high water mark hypothetical scenario at which point I would be like, okay we're really really never getting S5.

And in that scenario, would any of my analysis change? Of course not. It would never be proven right or wrong without S5 being made, but it doesn't change the fact that Moff consulted with John Yorke on Into the Woods, it doesn't change the fact that almost all Moff's DW seasons are structured as 5 acts, it doesn't change the fact that they talked about having ideas for S4 and 5 at the same time. It doesn't change the fact that it sure seems like they were telegraphing as early as S1 that they wanted to make 5 seasons, with the 4th being a Brechtian fucky fakefest. If they had only ever made S1, we probably would never have guessed what they had planned, but it wouldn't have changed the fact that they had planned it.

So while it sucks that realistically they're never going to make S5, the reality is that we have always been one plane crash (KNOCK ON WOOD) away from never having S5, and by plane crash I mean any one of the billlions of things that can stand in the way of a season of television. It doesn't mean they never intended to follow through with what they managed to set up - intent is not the same as result, and that's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. It is what it is.

[henrysglock]

but then, if Henry isn't vecna, then when does the switch happen to Edward ?? And whose time are we in, Edward or Henry?? Or are they both parallel to each other, intersecting cause of him?? Or are there 2 vecnas, one being Richard Brenner and the other Edward creel?? What if Edward creel is Richard Brenner ?? Why are there so many variations of the upside down?? Cause the tunnels were different from the og will going missing ud, which were both different from s4 ud?? what if there are 3 variations instead?? Is each variation related to the ud??

Therein lies the question, huh. Where the hell is Henry?

I can say pretty concretely that we've been swapping between viewing Henry and Edward during NINA. I'd bet that at least the plinko scene and the chess scene are Henry scenes, but that's as far as I've gotten at this point so do with it what you will. The timelines seem to run in parallel, but personally I think certain events were crossover/contact points of some kind (i.e. 1959, 1979, 1983, etc). NINA is especially fucky because we never see that part of the lab outside of NINA, so we can't exactly say what, when, or where it is. We can't even say without a doubt that it physically exists, especially given how oddly time and space move in NINA. The whole thing is extremely bizarre and difficult to track (Trust me. It's a mindfuck).

I'd give an estimation of 75% certainty that the massacre sequence is entirely Edward based on handedness. I can say for sure that one of them became Vecna and another became the Mindflayer. We can track one particular Scorched Edward to the Mindflayer shaping event, so that one is definitely responsible for ST2 and ST3. Vecward is ST4 at least. ST1 remains a weird outlier that I'm not certain on yet.

As for Brenner...god, it's hard to say. Based on the Vecna transformation from 4.07, where he looks just like Brenner, and the "it wasn't supposed to end like this" line...I'd say there's a chance that he's Richard, Vecna, and the Mindflayer. I'm staring at Nick 8flix saying that Brenner was "part demogorgon" and wondering what, exactly, he meant by that...And if he was right about that, then he may very well have been right about Will recognizing Brenner in the desert. The whole thing is super messy and I'm not able to give too much concrete evidence about it.

However. If I was to speculate...

Jumpsuit JC is our main Vecna. JD is the Mindflayer guy.

JA and JE are still unaccounted for.

JA is the gauntest Henward (compared here to JC), which has me staring at the weird thickness swap for Vecna's face.

It also has me staring at the difference in Vecna's speech pacing/syllable emphasis/use of contractions/etc.

i.e. "Max" vs "Maxine", which never swap within a continuous sequence:

If Max and Maxine are going to swap, they're always split up by cuts to other storylines. This is true in both 4.09 and 4.04.

JE doesn't show up again after that one weird mirror shot, so I have no idea what happened to him in the end. Where did you go, JE??

He doesn't show up anywhere else in the rest of the massacre sequence, which means he was stuck in there to deliver a specific clue. They wouldn't put a whole new jumpsuit in for one singular sequence unless it was meant to convey something.

Something about this one has me chewing cement. Because Martin is Martin, Owens calls him by name multiple times. He has a specific hair part, which is not the Season 1 hair part:

But the Season 1 left side part does show up here...

the beginning of which happens drectly after Vecna kills Patrick. It's a direct cut from Vecna's face to this scene, which is a direct parallel to this:

It's really fucking suspicious.

Season 1 Brenner/ST4's Season 1 Brenner lookalike is often posed incredibly similarly to Vecward, regardless of his jumpsuit pattern:

Massacre-Henward in general is styled very similarly to Season 1 Brenner, particularly JA, JC, and JE (NOT JD/Mindflayer Henward):

Which we can confirm as intentional via this BTS pic:

Also, JE specifically has direct parallels to Martin Brenner in the sole sequence that jumpsuit exists in:

So, if I had to guess, and this is purely based on paralleling, styling, and gut feelings: JE may be our Richard Brenner, JA might be our gaunt Vecna (Max Vecna or Maxine Vecna, I'm not sure which goes with which yet).

Imho, it seems like the ST1-ST3 UD changes are based on whether or not there's a mental component, but I can't say anything for certain yet.. I have a full analysis of the UD coming, though. That's what my insanity web is lmao.

As for which timeline we're in right now...fuck if I know. It really is hard to say atm. So. Sorry, nonnie, but I just don't know 😭💔

#asks #timeline theory #richard brenner #martin brenner #edward creel #edward/vecna/001

[un-pearable]

not fully decided but i’m losing my mind i need this “yoink everyone from the most awkward/painful possible times” story so bad so rough ideas:

kai - the only one actually from the current point in the show, has to both step up and readjust to handling all of his teammates and their individual AND interpersonal crises. kai focus story

zane - “youngest”, pre-robot reveal zane who is nowhere near the reliable figure they know now. still figuring out who he is and is both very thrown by all the social cues and in jokes he’s suddenly not getting again bc everyone thinks he’s just. you know. zane. and instinctly treat him they way they do their zane, which is both surprisingly helpful (bc the early ninja are accidentally very mean and over time they got better at. not being that) and very confusing bc he still doesn’t really Get It. and everyone else is freaking out trying to decide whether or not to break it to him. this only gets worse the longer it goes on.

lloyd - mid s9 when the core four + wu are stuck and he thinks everyone is dead arc, conflict bc he’s been trying to step up as the leader and also overcompensating for how genuinely terrified he is at the thought that he actually lost them all

nya - mayyyyyybe mid hands of time? extremely excited at the idea of having reunited w their parents and frustrated, angry to find out that they didn’t actually stay connected and blames kai for a bit bc he both hid that they found them from her and for them having a bad relationship

cole - pre dotd? skybound for some fucky shenanigans about who does and doesn’t remember certain things? mb when jay’s captured. idk smthn about him feeling left behind by his friends while he’s a ghost bc everyone else has filled his role as leader, three way conflict of kai (actually knows what’s going on but has so little experience) lloyd (is used to a world where he HAD to be the ones calling the shots) and cole (insecure bc he feels his friends no longer need him and thus WILDLY overcompensating bc he thinks it’s for the good of the team) cole and zane connect over the feeling of disconnect but everyone is so fucked up over whether to just tell zane or not it’s a mess

jay - easy way out is directly from THE most angsty possible everyone-is-dead part of skybound. which would be self explanatory, but i’m very keen on balancing it out a little and pulling him from either s3 or s4, or for max ouch right in the middle when they think zane’s dead (real fun right there for techno), bc then we get the exquisite potential of hands-of-time nya remembering skybound and jay doesn’t, and cole living through skybound and jay has no idea why the two of them are acting so weird, and nya and cole are confident in their friendships but jay feels like he’s ruined everything with BOTH of his best friends on top of losing zane and now he’s faced with versions of all three. funsies >:]

pixal - too good for this shit leave her alone. i think pixal and kai deserve to have a bit of a team up. extremely awkward situation regarding The Zane Problem, they’re probably fighting about it but bc literally everyone has an opinion on it and early zane has two hobbies of a) chilling with his friends doing this :) and b) wandering aimlessly (dangerous given he is Incredibly Recognizably Not The Titanium Ninja) so he keeps walking in on everyone’s tense conversations bc he is now the baby of the group :]

#text✨ #ninjago #agshdj actually wait. pixal is time displaced she’s just from the middle of prime empire #so kai didn’t notice at first bc he was just relieved someone wasn’t acting super weird. then homegirl whips out the detective act

[bylertruther]

hmmmmmmm there's something in the fact that brenner's experiment worked with terry, thus giving her powers + lsd was originally synthesized from a fungus + argyle is looking for shrooms at the very end of s4 and shrooms are a fungi + fungi can release spores + some species of fungi can form a hive mind and communicate via electrical pulses + will Came Back Wrong / Different after his week in the upside down + will was breathing in those delicious spores that entire time ....

like, this doesn't explain Why henry targeted him and followed him home from mike's house, BUT... it's still interesting nonetheless. i don't know what the connection is exactly within the bigger picture, but i do feel there's Something fucky there. maybe el needs to close her mind to access her powers (isolation tank, white noise, eyes covered, etc), but will needs to open his mind instead (because he's always hiding, always keeping his thoughts to himself, and never opening up)? which would be an additional parallel to henry, who said he could not pretend and close his mind to it all before manifesting his powers? and to how brenner said that one's own mind can be a prison? bc ngl that all would track really well with will's coming of age, no more hiding, stepping into the light arc that were supposedly getting in s5 as well as the general themes of the show wrt to not conforming and finding freedom & strength in what makes you different... hmmmmm!

#are u getting my vibes are u seeing what im seeing 🤔📝

[harmonictechnicality]

👻📔💛 for the writer asks. Happy Saturday!!

Happy Saturday to you too, my darling sunflower!! (which reminds me, I hope your seedlings and dirt babies are doing well!)

👻 What is your wildest headcanon? I've definitely talked about klepto Eddie before (lol). But the newest one that I've discovered is demiromantic Steve. When I think about his past, he finds physical attraction incredibly fluid and easy. But in s4, he talks about *thinking* he's supposed to want to settle down. And with Nancy, we don't really see his emotional love for her until a year into their relationship (and this is mainly due to deep trauma bonding so it's possibly not even romantic love). And maybe that's why when I write about him and Eddie, he's sort of diving into the romance because it's new and precious and rare.

📗 Do you want to write something outside of fanfiction? If so, what about? (Is this the right one?? Or did I totally miss that emoji?? I'm very sorry if I did, I blame the nearsightedness lmao) I would love to be funny enough to write standup or comedy script-writing. In college, I had to due standup for a final exam. I think my funniest joke was "if I had a dollar for every time I felt anxious, I could finally afford therapy." 😅 Needless to say... I'm dark as fuck.

💛 What is the most impactful lesson you’ve learned about writing? I will always *always* preach Content Dictates Form. A lot of people will be like RuLeS eXiSt FoR a ReAsOn and yeah yeah sure. But fuck the rules if they're holding you back. If there's something that needs to be written free verse or have a fucky sentence structure, just do it. Give your brain a break, writing is tough. The content is more important than the form. The story is more important than the rules.

#harmony asks 🪄 #thank you so much for theseeeee #sending all the cozy vibes to you and the fur babies!! xx

[galaxyhanart]

Oh no S4 / the Tournament of Elements would not go well in the Cabinet Man AU would it-

I can see at least two options, possibly more- Jay being very traumatized into participating (feeling as though he's back in Prime Empire &, if this is after Skybound, also Scrap n' Tap), or Jay going much too hard because he defaulted to Entertainer mode because he's good at putting on a show! Right? It wasn't just skills from the game? Maybe he has worth as an entertainer! Maybe he can showcase that he's useful to the team!

Also Master Chen is just a little too obsessed with snakes and oh look what our buddy has-

THIS ASK IS SINGLE-HANDEDLY MAKING ME CHANGE THE TIMELINE AGAIN SO TOURNAMENT OF ELEMENTS CAN HAPPEN BECAUSE OH MY GOD

fun fact! season 4 is one of my FAVORITE seasons in the whole show, I love Kai's struggle with power and his overall characterization this season (it also introduces Skylor my beloved!!) but since it isn't very jay-centric i was gonna let it slide

it'll require a lot of. hmm. fucky timeline stuff given season 3 sets up season 4 which sets up season 5 etc etc so i'll have to actually sit down when i have time and mess with the season order

BUT ANYWAYS YEEHEHEHE Jay is verrry good at putting up an act, but he actually does enjoy the attention of this kind of thing. He's used to being an idol and people cheering for him, and as messed up as his self-esteem is it does give him the occasional ego-boost

season 4 would likely happen before skybound does, since klaus becoming a ghost is what leads him to finding Nadakhan's teapot in the first place

He definitely wants to prove his worth on the team during the Tournament, but more than that he wants to make sure the group stays together. Getting put up against Cole is absolutely gut wrenching since in this AU there isn't any love-triangle BS bc that was a dumb plot point lmao but once everyone starts getting separated from each other is when he REALLY starts freaking out

events would definitely get changed and things would definitely be fun to play with ehehehe gonna have this bouncing around in my brain now thank u thank u

also yes if chen finds out jay has a SNAKE TAIL things would not go well At All

#i gave him that tail for fun but so far i've just been using it for angst purposes huh #ninjago #cabinet man AU #tournament of elements #ninjago s4 #jay walker #galaxyhantalks #ask

[inevitably-johnlocked]

so glad anon mentioned the makeup of s4…. they made benedict look jaundiced or something

(referencing this post)

LOL YEAH TOTALLY Nonny.

I know that the makeup was a big piece of contention in the fandom at the time... Many of us were like "what the hell?? Why is it so bad??" Which is odd because the makeup is usually so on-point, LOL. I know that I've either read or reblogged stuff about the makeup before just too lazy to look for it LOL.

But yeah, you weren't the only one, Nonny.

#steph replies #chatting with nonnies #makeup #makeup in sherlock #s4 shitposting #something's fucky

[princess-of-the-corner]

Unless I'm forgetting something, or one of the episodes in S4 or S5 I haven't seen said something, the Peacock Weilder only being able to sense Amoks and not the actual Sentimonsters might not be a retcon.

Feast ate his Amok, so unless there's a line in the ep I'm forgetting where Natalie specifically states she's sensing a Sentimonster, she was just sensing Feasts Amok in his stomach

Like yes but no but yes!

I've discussed this before, but I think that it's a little fucky because Nathalie knew that Feast was a Sentimonster, not an Amok.

If Nathalie had assumed Feast was an Amok because that's what she sensed, but had no idea what or where the Sentimonster was, that would work. She decides to steal the Amok and try to order the Sentimonster to make it's way to Paris to see if they can use it. Only when she tries to use the 'Amok', Feast reactivates and surprises her.

However, Nathalie immediately recognizes that Feast is a dormant sentimonster himself.

Later when they started working with 'Senti!Adrien' and 'if Adrien is a Sentimonster, why doesn't she sense Chat is a Sentimonster?', then they did a soft retcon to have her only able to sense the Amok.

So like.

I think what happened is that they wrote Feast before the Sentikids thing, but then the actual production happened and they couldn't entirely change it by that point.

[mrs-nate-humphrey]

this might seem a little random lol, but what do you think of the chair and dangina parellels, dan and blair both seemed to be attracted to georgina and chuck because they could be mean and not have to be nice all the time.

i love any & all parallels! i think that's interesting & would be a very grim kind of arc, if georgina ends up making dan feel as ~tied down to her as chuck made blair feel. (i even kind of reference this in my fic "just a yellow lemon tree," in which dan's married to georgina. there's a conversation in chapter 2 in which dan asks blair why she left chuck and the parallel is meant to be implied there.) that said, from what we saw in canon, i wouldn't say it's the exact same. there's scope for the evolution of dangina to get to a chair level, but we're not quite there yet. lemme elaborate:

you know blair's whole speech in s4 about "what's mere happiness in the face of this great love we have?" to chuck? that... that's kind of the first thing that comes to mind for me when i think about chair. chuck & blair's whole dynamic is fucky because they're both so obsessed with an image of each other - blair wants a big romantic love that's all cinematic and exciting, and what's more blockbuster than good girl gone bad and her love fixing the heart of a local ruffian? chuck on the other hand wants this infallible caretakery woman to an extent where it feels like a replacement of his missing mother figure, and he doesn't want blair to Leave him so he'll do anything and everything to keep her there.

honestly more than dan & georgie, c/b reminds me of serena/georgina. we don't see serena before her party girl days but i've always imagined georgina to be the major "bad influence" who got S into many of the dangerous situations she was in, and i could see serena being into georgina because of how georgie dared to defy all societal expectations.

that said, i like the idea of unhealthy dangina as a sad ending for dan. where he ends up stuck with her and she's all he has left, and she's obsessed with the goodness in him, and he's with her because who else would have him? i think that specific dynamic/ that type of endgame would definitely parallel chuck/blair.

i know i'm not the only one who's into this, back when the fandom was more active many others shared this headcanon, i think. i've read a lot of really good dangina fic that has that sort of depressing, defeated, fucked up vibe to it, but right now the only one i can recall is this gem by secondaudrina.

anyway, i hope that answers you!! i think canonically the way c/b & dangina are, they aren't on the same intensity of fuckery, even if there is that common thread, because chuck & blair are kind of ... worse. but there is scope for that evolution to happen. like dangina have the seed for that kind of dynamic. chair is already watering the whole damn garden of it. you know what i mean?

#i hope this answers you! #meta #chair #for tags #anti chair #also for tags #dangina #anon #i actually like chair's dynamic a lot. i just don't like canon #like i think if it were done in this tragic gothic daphne du maurier fucked up romance classic lit way... #it would've been soooo good #gg writers could never #but chuck & blair are just very tragic and i love canon complaint fics #in which we can SEE the impact of chuck's chuckiness and blair's idealism on blair's well being and their dynamic as a whole #anti chuck

[queerholmcs]

i personally love that tfp is, for tjlc, not a harrowing and traumatic memory but a source of enjoyment. wish i found it funny ;____;

i will start by saying i absolutely feel for you and everyone for whom this is true. i did have a period of about three years after s4 aired where i could not touch those episodes myself; i scrolled back through my tags and found that up through 2019 or so i was mistagging tld scenes as tfp because i couldn't keep any of those episodes separate in my head after having watched them all of once during that train wreck of a january 2017, and it was all absolutely the fucky problem, wasn't it.

i think it wasn't until 2020 or 2021 i even gave s4 another watch at all, and it was rough, even with the post-s4 metas i had read from some others to keep in mind (amy @garkgatiss's poetry or truth being one of the major ones). took me two or three tries to get through tld.

and somehow, after all that, with my tjlc mutuals doing their own rewatches and s4 posting, in late 2021 or 2022 my brain locked in on it and decided this is it, these are The Episodes of All Time, this is brilliant media, i love every second of it. even if s5 never does actually happen (though i am holding out for it, for the record), i appreciate s4 for all its absurdity and all its contributions to the show as a whole.

(i do also feel i would be remiss to say anything about my feelings on s4 here without also citing the video essay series rebs @victorianpining did last year, a better story, which helped me greatly in providing the words for my thoughts on the show as it stands today.)

if you ever want to give s4 another go (however hesitantly), brilliant; if you want to pretend the show ended after trf or hlv or tab, i absolutely respect that; and even if you never want to touch a single episode of bbc sherlock or anything else from those creators again, i hope you've found other media that does bring you comfort and joy. 💕

[strangeswift]

May I ask why do you like S3 overall, is it bc of vibes and all? I am not judging you, I just find S3 to be the most lackluster filler season to ever exist in the season and if you just deleted it, nothing really would make a huge difference. Some stuff were good but you could just add those good things in S3 or S4.

Overall that season destroyed many characters like Mike, Hopper (by making him a largely comedic relief), Jonathan (by adding sexism storyline which was cringe), destroyed several character relationships that were important in the series in the previous two seasons (Mike and Will, Will and the party in general, making Dustin leave the party and no one really caring about it aside from Will etc).

The only good things that happened were Robin and her coming out plus straightbait, and Max and El's friendship. Overall, there is nothing in that season plotwise and it didnt introduce anything new to the story... plus is destroyed the previous good elements like characters, character dynamics and plot. It was lackluster compared to S2's real horror, the meaty MF was trash, most of the new introducations of new plot lines such as Evil!Soviets were very underwhelming and unnecessary that took too much screen time for no reason. And the Duffers obsession with the Russia plot lines both in S3 where it got introduced, and the continuation of it in S4 where it got drageed for so long, honestly felt so unnecessary and reductive. There was no UD. It was heavily fanservice-y and filled with eye candy elements and relied on just vibes (like summer vibes and shit) and big budget action rather than actually telling a good story with a vision and quantity.

Hi anon!

Gonna try to respond to everything you said sorry if this is a little scatterbrained!

So firstly. I don't feel as if they destroyed Hopper's character. He's going through it this season, but I actually feel like he has a good amount of depth this season, and he's actually trying to be vulnerable. Sure a lot of it is sort of through a comedic lense, but I don't feel like he's been completely reduced to being comedic relief, and I definitely don't think they ruined his character.

The most certainly did not destroy Jonathan's character by any means, especially not with the sexism plotline because... he isn't the one being sexist? Sure, he doesn't completely Get It. Just like Nancy doesn't completely get where he's coming from with his family's financial situation. I don't think he's apathetic to the sexism, I just think he hasn't considered just how much it must be affecting Nancy. Now, if I were him, would I stay at a job like that? I don't know. I would love to say that I wouldn't, but with his financial situation and the lack of jobs? I'd probably suck it up and stay. Yes, even if they were being demeaning toward my girlfriend. However. It's true that he clearly Doesn't Get It. That's not "ruining his character" though. That's a character having flaws. Just like Nancy has flaws, like not considering Jonathan's situation.

I also don't think the sexism storyline was cringe. I think it was important.

I don't think S3 "destroyed" anything except Mike and El's romantic relationship and depending on how S5 shakes out maybe Mike's character. I mean sure if Mike isn't actually struggling with his sexuality and was just being an asshole then yeah they ruined Mike. So fingers crossed that they didn't ruin Mike.

I'd argue that some important shit happened S3. I mean Billy's death set up Max's entire S4 arc. Mike and Will's conflict is important for Will's arc. Steve had massive amounts of character development. Robin was introduced and incredibly well developed which it takes time to do.

I personally thought the horror elements were cool, although S2 and S4 solo S3 as far as horror elements obviously. But I'm not a horror gal really so if you're really into horror then I get how maybe you'd be disappointed? I mean I thought the building of the army and everything was pretty fucking cool. And the rats and shit. I really liked the whole mystery.

And there was Upside Down!! I mean.. that was the whole plot. The Mindflayer was the villain he's from the UD. The Russians were trying to access the UD. So it's not really accurate to say there was no UD.

As far as Russia plotline. Eh. Idk scoops troops whole storyline from cracking the code to sneaking through the vents and getting drugged and tortured for info all within the mall? I thought it was really cool. Yeah the Duffers Russian obsession is kinda weird and they kinda went ham in S4 but I did actually like it in S3.

I do like the summer vibes but also I really like a lot of other things! I really like the plot. All the scenes of El in the void were SUPER SICK. The beginning of El's independence arc and her having fun for the first time in her life? Priceless to me. She means everything so me oh my god. Hopper and Joyce being badasses and the Jopper will they won't they?? Lumax's banter this season is so important to showing how comfortable and real their relationship is. Will's whole arc is super important and amazing. SUZIE MY BELOVED!!! The Scoops Troop MY BELOVED I adore them. Erica becoming a main character? Also everything to me. Stobin? Everything to me. Robin's coming out remains my favorite scene in the entire show.

^ Sensing a pattern? Females. Women. S3 is more female centric, it brings existing female characters to the forefront. Elmax friendship. Independent El. Introduces Robin a smart and fiercely Independent lesbian. Joyce being a badass as usual. For better or worse, Karen having her arc about being unhappy in her cookie cutter marriage. Nancy confronting sexism in the workplace and coming out stronger the other side. Nancy and Karen's talk.

Also. Honestly? After S2 I needed some fun. S2 is my favorite don't get me wrong, but it's dark. It's depressing. Immaculate vibes, amazing horror elements, amazing storytelling! My favorite! But. Depressing. Needed some fun next season as a chaser.

I mean it's all subjective, but these are just my personal opinions and why I do really like S3. Not my favorite though. I like S2 then S1 then S3 then S4. (That might change after I finish my rewatch though S4 might move up idk)

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[henrysglock]

i love all your theorizing about henry, but how likely do you think it is that it'll actually become canon? bc like, i'd prefer spending time with main group of characters, the party, the teens, joyce and hopper, and seeing their arcs. and i definitely want a satisfactory ending for henry's arc, but i have a hard time picturing a huge twist about multiple henry's and deep diving into the creel family and brenner and time travel, etc in s5. esp bc s5 is supposed to be a lot shorter than s4. idk i'd just love to hear your thoughts!

Oh I’ve been waiting for this one!

Yeah, no, they’re definitely not going to take time to lay out every detail and deep dive into every aspect of characters’ relationships to each other. Are we going to get details on the mechanics of it? Probably not. Are we actually going to return to the fucky NINA sequence? Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know!

However…there are plenty of concrete details they have to explain, many of which point to a canon time travel/alternate universe twist.

They have to explain Henry (?) turning back the clock, because they made a point to show us that. They spent a great deal of time on that specific shot.

They have to address Alice’s death, because they explicitly don’t show it, there’s no way Henry (?) physically could have done it if he was trancing Victor the whole time.

They have to address the discrepancies in facts between Henry’s (?) retelling of the 1959 massacre and Victor’s retelling of the same night.

They’ll likely address the discrepancy between the description of the rabbit scene and what Raphael is portraying on screen.

They’ll likely address the 1979 Massacre weirdness too, because they explicitly don’t show Henry (?) killing anyone but the first set of guards and 002…and we also have an image of a blood-free Henry (?) looking at the dead children in confusion.

To do all this, they’ll most likely address the content of the newspapers re: Henry and Edward Creel, especially with so much twin imagery and the concepts of twinners/alternate timelines.

I think they’ll allude to a lot of the fucked-up bits of the Creel-Brenner relationships the same way they used subtext to tell us the kinds of abuse that were done to Henry and El in Brenner’s lab (i.e. the framing of the electrocution scene, the 3 legged Papa drawing, Brenner’s mannerisms with the children). I don’t think they’ll have the time to actually lay all of it out explicitly, and for some parts…they legally/morally can’t and shouldn’t lay it out explicitly.

So…There are a handful of things the Duffers must address, but they definitely won’t explicitly address every clue and the mechanics of everything/every detail. They simply don’t have time for all that within the structure of the season. However, they don’t have to flesh it all out to make the twist work! They really only need a handful of well placed shots; the whole thing could realistically be wrapped up within the same span of time as the NINA twist sequence…that was a huge twist too, and it took a relatively small amount of time. They had Cali, Hawkins, NINA (not memories), and Russia all happening at the same time as the NINA memories thing, and they made it work. They can definitely do the same for a time loop/alternate universe thing when all we really have going on in ST5 is a) the battle against Vecna, and b) the search for Max.

Hell, they’ve already set us up for it with multiple Chekhov’s Gun details in ST4! They kind of have to address it, at this point.

That said, they definitely won’t flesh out every single relationship with backstory re: Henry within the frame of the TV show…That’s what the play is for ;) The First Shadow my beloved…come home to me…

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