#httyd theories

[noctusfury]

What Would Have Happened if Stoick Slew Dagur? (Riders of Berk)

Hello, fellow Furians! Welcome to another HTTYD article! Today, we'll dive into the what-if scenario that could've happened in the Riders of Berk episode "Twinsanity".

In this scene, Stoick was clearly about to end the Berserker Dynasty right then and there, until DreamWorks Hiccup and the Gang came along and interrupted it with their fake "Dragon Raid" forcing the Berserkers to retreat.

Thus, the question is this: What would've happened if he had succeeded or failed in doing so had he NOT been interrupted?

Obviously, of course, there would've been war between Berk and Berserk. Reason for this is that there would be witnesses who'd see Stoick strike Dagur down from behind. There are four Berserk Guards who are with Dagur (as seen below).

There's a risk of the one who's not encumbered with a task — and is closest in proximity to Dagur — intercepting Stoick's strike. However, when Stoick closes the distance with Dagur, the other guards, along with Dagur himself, are far too preoccupied with Barf and Belch to notice Stoick's actions. So it's possible that Stoick could easily succeed in assassinating Dagur.

However, it's what happens afterward that's important. The guards would've seen Stoick slay their chieftain and will want to exact vengeance. Of course, as we know, the moment Stoick slays Dagur, Hiccup and the Gang come in with their fake dragon raid on the Berserkers. There might be a 5-10% chance that Stoick, depending on the timing and the Berserker's POV, might get away with it if the Berserkers immediately focus from Barf and Belch to the other dragons without noticing Dagur's fall. But I doubt that Dagur would go down without a fight or without making any sound, hence why the percentage is so low.

So we will continue with the assumption that the Berserkers saw Stoick slay their chieftain. Stoick and the others would have to deal with them, or else they'll report this to the armada waiting near Berk's docks.

Of course, if Berk fails to cover their assassination up, they'll immediately have to deal with an entire armada of angry Berserkers. Even if the Berkians are battle-hardened and every person who can hold a weapon is recruited and the dragons join in the fight, and even if the majority of the Berserkers haven't seen many battles or wars, it can't be denied that the Berserkers have been well-trained and are, of course, Berserkers. It'll still be a very difficult fight. There will be severe casualties on both sides. In the end, though, Berk will probably pull through this with a victory in the end. But at what cost? It'd be a conflict that could've been easily avoided, and Berk suffered losses that it can ill afford to take when they're still fighting with the Outcasts — with little gains to show for it. And there's no guarantee that the conflict will even end there.

So, in summary, if Stoick wasn't interrupted and succeeded in ending Dagur, he'll need to get rid of the guards as well. This will be pretty easy since they have the dragons, and they can easily make it look like a dragon raid killed them and hopefully Berk can relax and keep an alliance with Berk, while Berserk is reeling from their chief's death and busy running around killing as many dragons as they can. And — even better — Berk could masquerade this as something that Alvin, an Outcast, did and can better solidify Berserk's involvement in Berk's war against the Outcasts.

So yeah, so long as the Berserkers don't look too closely at the bodies, the Berkians would have a pretty good chance at getting away with it.

What do you guys think? What would've happened had Stoick went with his plan? Do you think that Berk would've been able to get away with it? Or would it end up sinking in defeat, with Alvin taking advantage of the chaos? Tell me your thoughts!

Thank you for reading! I hope you found this article intriguing and I'll see you in the next article.

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

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[nateascendingskies]

I posted this on Reddit and it caused a bit of a stir within the fandom. It also led to some very good points. Now, I'm curious what you guys think.

#httyd #the hidden world is highly impractical #httyd 3 #httyd theories #httyd 4

[dontgetcaught256]

Viggo, about Snotlout: What’s wrong with him?

Hiccup: Everyone has a different theory.

#source: big bang theory #httyd #hiccup #hiccup haddock #snotlout #rtte #incorrect httyd #viggo grimborn #viggo #snotlout jorgenson #incorrect rtte #incorrect rtte quotes #incorrect httyd quotes

[artlocke]

headcanon: sharpshot likes to sleep on hiccup's back, hes learnt from astrid's terror to be extremly sneaky and sometimes hiccup doesn't even notice hes there Which comes in handy when they need to send for backup

Sharpshot also liked doing this during dob or inbetween dob to rtte and he really misses hiccup's fluffy vest because that was best to sleep in

#sharpshot #hiccup #hiccup haddock #httyd #rtte #terrible terror #hemlock art #how to train your dragon #i did not use references im sorry the dragon eye is just a block lmao #this might also add too tuff's hiccup is a magical creature theory #^ i want to write or draw smth about that LMAO

[eemoo1o-tfrmoo]

Gothi seems to be the only one to believe that Hiccup is into something in the first film. She watches Hiccup in training, with this thoughtful expression as opposed to one of awe, she picks him to go up against the Nightmare (Hookfang), and as Toothless is being caged she covers two children’s eyes to stop them from watching as she herself does in horror. Gothi knew.

#httyd #theory #how to train your dragon #hiccup haddock #gothi #toothless #crack theory #one could suppose #original post #queue

[quiet-art-kid]

been thinking about the httyd books

The exiling of runts and children who are deemed "useless" while sad and cruel makes contextual sense. Food is very limited. One unusually dry summer could cause many to starve to death in winter time. More mouths to feed would be incredibly costly, that is, until the Potato. The magic little calorie packet that is the potato. there is a reason why after it was discovered basically everyone started growing it in our world. It's crazy efficient. Hiccup could actually sustain more people with less effort. people that can't work manually, or can't work as efficiently would no longer be seen as a burden.

#httyd books #the potato #the vegetable that no one dear name #theory #another day thinking too much about the httyd books

[corvidiss]

No, no, I'm fine it's just–

I'm just thinking about how Toothless's musical theme changes and develops so much over the course of the film, from the otherworldly terror in its first instance, through the gentle, beautiful playfulness in forbidden friendship, the way it blends perfectly with Hiccup's theme in their flights, to its final, triumphant brassy burst that ends the film, while never truly changing and staying true to itself... Okay yeah I lied I'm crying about this

#httyd #httyd movies #httyd 1 #toothless #music theory #(kinda) #john powell how dare you be so powerful

[sarnai4]

Betrayal

I was going to make this a fun post, but then I discovered that there are Dagur gifs on here and...yeah, that light topic didn't happen. So, here goes a little sad something.

I think these frames of animation are very interesting. Actually, this entire scene is to me. It's in "The Night and the Fury" and is right after Dagur learns that Hiccup lied. I love how this occurred because it would have been so easy to just have him be like, "You have dragons? Okay, now I'm about to kill you." They didn't do that, though. Even as Dagur is connecting the dots, he harps on the fact that a lie was told. "Your father lied to me...YOU lied to me!" If you go back to Dagur's threat from "Twinsanity," he never even said that he'd attack Berk if they had dragons. He specifically said he would if he found out they did after they denied it. Technically speaking, Dagur could have attacked immediately if he wanted to, but he still had the intention of keeping the peace. These expressions in the gif are right after he says, "You could've been my brother, Hiccup. Now, you're my enemy." When he says this, he actually sounds sad. His expressions match that. Dagur, Mr. Gets Angry At The Drop Of A Helmet didn't immediately respond with rage. He's hurt and I think I know why.

Dagur doesn't perceive things like other Vikings to put it lightly. When he has his first episode, he's talking about how he and Hiccup had great laughs after he tries to drown the poor Berkian. He calls Hiccup his old friend when they see each other again in the episode with the gif. I think he genuinely believes this. For the strange things Dagur does, he doesn't see it. So, it's not just someone lying to him, it's his best, his ONLY friend lying to him and making him looking like a cool in front of his tribe. That's why he sounds sad instead of angry. That's why he has to look away and think through what his next move is. Yes, he attacks, but what are his options?

Hiccup doesn't give him any more time to think. He tries to leave with Toothless, so Dagur has to act then. Regarding his options, they all are bleak. If he attacks, then you have war and what we got. The alternative is that he doesn't then, right? Well, that's not great either. As soon as he gets back to his ship, one of the Berserkers says that he wants to kill Hiccup himself. Dagur has to make it clear that no one besides himself will go after Hiccup. This shows how the Berserkers really can be vengeful. They're not even an aggressive group (as shown in "Something Rotten on Berserker Island"), but they have tempers. So, if Dagur holds onto the friendship that he just realized didn't exist, he has to go back with his tail between his legs and admit not only that he was played, but that he doesn't want to do anything about it.

Dagur already was worried that no one would respect him as chief. They never would if they found out he was tricked and didn't even want to get revenge for it. He would be the young chief who was too foolish to see through lies and too weak to defend his people in case the liar decided to lie again and actually attack. So, yes, Dagur attacked. Was it a mistake? Oh most definitely. He could've caused the deaths of many people and was arrested for this. So, I'm not saying that Dagur is in the right for his war, but I'm saying that I don't think it's a black and white as the show tried to portray. We see it from Hiccup's perspective with Dagur being this wild kid who just likes killing. Dagur's so much more than just some angry or deranged Viking. I just wish we got to see more of his side of things.

#HTTYD #RTTE #Dagur the Deranged #Theories #Berserker Life #False Friends

[whelvehitee]

PLS I LOVE SNOTLOUT AND HOOKFANG

like they have NO RIGHT being THAT funny and the way snotlout just teases people more the moment he finds what they hate pure gold. I guess the dragons really represent the riders personalities but as dragons.

Like if you think about it look at Astrid and stormfly as an example, I remember Astrid mentioning how stormfly cares more about Astrid than she does about herself and that clearly states Astrid’s relationship with the rest of the riders, yes even the twins and snotlout.

I’m sure this is common knowledge by now but I think the dragons might symbolise the riders in ways that they might not be familiar with themselves making them a stronger team together as they would complete each others insecurities, id probably have to research a bit more on the topic but I don’t think I’m too far off, like if you look at hiccup and toothless they have a symbiotic relationship both emotionally and physically up until the third movie then again they still care about eachother after.

Like there HAS to be a reason why each dragon belongs to which rider and why

#snotlout #snotlout jorgenson #barf and belch #hookfang #hiccup haddock #hiccup and toothless #httyd #astrid hofferson #headcanon #theory #maybe idk #fishlegs ingerman #meatlug #ruffnut thorston #tuffnut thorston

[skyisgreen-grassisblue]

httyd book fandom, how big do we think toothless ended up getting over the course of hiccup’s life? i know the books say that he barely grew at all but tbh i half-disregarded that information because there’s no way he barely grew physically over like ~80 years 💀 i just assume they meant mentally

#httyd books #i actually have a theory that toothless is also a runt #and may have a bit of stunted growth #bc i feel like over the course of the books he shouldve grown somewhat significantly? #furious as a baby was described as being the size of a small elephant already iirc #anyway i love the idea of him growing big enough for hiccup to be able to ride him eventually :3 #would love to hear other’s thoughts as well !

[dragonnnfly]

What do you think the Berkians were thinking? Not only was a stranger at their shore with a dragon bigger than the red death, announcing that their beloved chief, Stoick the vast, had died, but he was also riding Toothless.

“Nobody can save you now” he said, and they must’ve believed him, because if he had Toothless, was Hiccup also dead? Probably

#httyd #how to train your dragon #hiccup #httyd 2 #stoick the vast #drago bludvist #toothless #commentary #theory #text post #angst #analysis

[noctusfury]

Mildew’s Wives (RoB/HTTYD Theory)

Hello, everyone! Welcome to another HTTYD article! Today we’ll dive into the topic concerning Mildew’s wives, which we see in the first episode of Riders of Berk. And are also mentioned in the 5th episode “In Dragons We Trust”.

Perhaps I’m the only person who is interested in this, or even remembers this since these are just background portraits of his ex-wives. But I can’t help but want to pursue this and figure it out!

If you’re interested in my other Mildew article where I dive into who inherited his farm after his outlawry, click here.

Now we know from what was said from Stoick and Gobber that Mildew was a long-standing dragon slayer with a marvelous reputation back in his younger days when dragon raids were common. As, I assume, his father before him. Interestingly enough, since it feels implied that it was in the more recent decades that Berk sent Mildew far from the village due to his unpleasant personality, it could be assumed that he might’ve been different when he was younger. 

Of course, we don’t know what or when Mildew became “the Very Unpleasant”. That being said, he’s mentioned to be very hideous and even implied to be unhygienic. So that could also be why, as he’s a cabbage farmer, owns a sheep, and doesn’t seem to take a bath at all. He also has a very hairy back, according to Gobber after he treated him.

Funnily enough, his wives also seem to be... equally unpleasant. Naturally, we know very little about his past and what he went through back then, nor about what his wives might’ve been like. (Which is a bit of a shame.) 

Of course, I find it funny that they were as hideous as he was. Though he probably married them as formal alliances with other families during his famous dragon-slaying days. Or maybe he was desperate because nobody else would marry him, due to his unpleasant nature (in many ways). Whoever they were and whatever they were like — or even if they were natives to Berk or outsiders — we’ll never know. It’s up to anyone’s interpretation.

In "In Dragons We Trust", Mildew mentions that he had three wives, who all died at some point, to which he states are “pleasant memories,” suggesting he did not like them despite being married to them. (And it may be assumed that they also didn’t like him just as much.)

Now, of course, we could assume that they died from various things: childbirth, disease, an accident, even dragon attacks. Or perhaps they died from the same thing. We don’t know.

However, there could be a much more... macabre alternative.

Murder.

In the episode “In Dragons We Trust”, we see Mildew grab and use dragon claws and feet to frame the dragons in order to banish them from Berk. He then throws them away to get rid of the evidence, possibly knowing that Hiccup and the Gang would eventually find them and he’d get in trouble for it.

Now, this looks like Nightmare claws and... Zippleback feet? But these seem to be some of his trophies he’s won from back in his younger days as a renowned warrior. 

Now I’m sure you’re curious as to why I brought up the “murder” option. It sounds more like he didn’t do any of that from what he says, as it implies that their deaths happened without him having to do anything. 

But this is a “what-if” scenario. What if he bumped off one or even all three of his ex-wives and used these tools to frame the dragons for having killed them?

Think about it. The fact that he even HAS these to begin with is rather sus. I mean, what would he even need these for, if not for what he did to his wives in the past? The claw thingy makes for a terrible backscratcher, and the dragon feet I can’t see anyone using unless they have some sort of winter-proof function that we don’t know about.

But the fact Mildew has these tools at all is rather sus, like I said previously. Why even have them at all except to having used them to frame dragons before for previous wrongdoings?

Plus, when he came home, he greeted the portraits callously by saying, “I’m back home, ladies!! Eh? What’s that, ya say? Nothing? Perfect!”

After claiming those tools, he says to Fungus, “These have served us well, haven’t they, Fungus?” While he was obviously talking about the incidents with framing the dragons, it’s obvious he had these long before that, which is sus. Again, I highly doubt he uses them as winter boots and a backscratcher, so why else would he have them and why would they have served him well save for using them for murder?

Of course, I don’t know when Mildew was banished to this far-off house and farm plot, but it sounds like it was anywhere between 10-20 years ago. Heck, it could even be even longer, but Gobber said, “Why do you think we sent ya to the other side of the village?” so that kinda implies that it was within 10 or so years. No more than 20. Or maybe it might’ve been only 5 years. We just don’t know. 🤔

Anyway, I’m digressing. Point is that he’s a farmer, so he could’ve lived close to the village, or maybe he was even a resident inside the village, so maybe it might’ve been difficult to stage a murder. However, if he was living NEAR the village, then he might have the opportunity to get rid of his wives during dragon raids. Maybe even burn his own house to drive it home. Or, assuming he was still married (at least to his third and last wife), it would’ve been easy to do it at his isolated farm and especially during a dragon raid.

However, again, it’s probably unlikely, but with Mildew being Mildew, I wouldn’t put it past him. But it could be that he never did that and that those deaths are very natural. But it’s an interesting plausibility.

What do you guys think? Do you think it’s possible?

Thank you very much for reading! And I hope to see you in the next article!

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

#noctusfury #httyd #httyd fandom #httyd articles #dreamworks dragons #mildew #mildew's wives #riders of berk #in dragons we trust #httyd theories #httyd questions #berk #httyd franchise #httyd series #httyd tv series #httyd characters #httyd minor characters #httyd antagonists #httyd article #httyd theory #httyd question #mystery #httyd mystery #possible domestic homicide #the many mysteries concerning mildew's past

[dragon-rant]

So I just discovered a truly mortifying theory.

You guys remember when hiccup woke up from his coma at the end of the first movie after being attacked by the red death? And how Berk had pretty much opened its doors to all dragons? Well hypothetically speaking, it’s not realistic that their relationship with those dragons could’ve changed in 24 hours. And how his face was pretty much free of burns? Yeah, maybe toothless protected him, but fire like that takes a while to heal from sensitive human skin. And he was up and walking almost immediately after waking up.

What I’m trying to say is, hiccup could’ve been in a coma for days, weeks, months longer than we know, and people have speculated that in that time, all episodes of “Riders Of Berk” were actually dreams he experienced because they aren’t mentioned anywhere else.

This is absolutely wild to me for some reason.

What do you guys think?

#hiccup haddock #how to train your dragon #httyd #toothless #text post #theory

[toothbrushfingers]

just saw someone say that toothless purposefully took hiccup’s leg to get revenge and i won’t stand for that so here’s my two cents:

first off, we don’t actually know what happened to his leg. right? right.

i have 2 personal theories:

a. (what i always thought as a kid) when toothless saved hiccup he did so by grabbing his leg, but because of was what was going on around them he wasn’t necessarily very gentle and the leg couldn’t be saved.

b. (what i headcanon now) his leg was severely burned in the fire and had to be removed.

i’ve also heard:

his leg got badly burned so toothless bit it off in an attempt to help him

or

when toothless landed while holding hiccup, his leg was crushed.

i’m curious, do any of you have any other ideas of what might’ve happened.?

#httyd #how to train your dragon #httyd fandom #httyd movies #httyd 1 #hiccup haddock #hiccup #toothless #hicctooth #hiccup horrendous haddock lll #httyd headcanon #headcanon #fan theory

[littlekirpichi]

the round table from httyd 1 was replaced by a regular one in httyd 3

like, Stoick's rule was depicted to be more democratic in nature than Hiccup's, more like in Athens or Novgorod. Hiccup on the other hand is shown to hold council only with those few chosen ones and then just announce everything to his subjects. yes, subjects, because here we can see an early form of monarchy. i don't know what motivated them to evolve their political status. maybe, the sheer amount of people and dragons, that would be nearly impossible to manage with the older form of government. who knows.

but just imagine what crisis is waiting for them. they still all dine in the main hall, as if they are still equal - but they're not. the chief is further and further away from the Hooligans, and they notice that, but he's still treated like equal - which he isn't. it's like witnessing a transition of Roman republic to Roman empire (a bit of a stretch, but you get my point)

#yeah it also might be just neglect from the film's team #i don't think they would do something like this on purpose #httyd movie #httyd 3 #httyd thw #theories #i have a lot of theories all the time it's like my job #i care about barbaric archipelago's politics more than i should #(it's cope)

[quiet-art-kid]

plot hole OR room for theories

#httyd books #alvin the treacherous #potatoes #give me your best theory to explain this plot hole #Meme #Httyd book 2