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Hiya blue lemon it's me again. Do you have any criticism in the way GRRM wrote Sansa in book1/2? EX:.Sansa and Jeyne are BFF but we amolst never see the girls talking to eachother, and when JP is sex traffikced sansa just forget about her(we could have a scene where sansa try to find what happened to JP or at least grieve for her). Every time sansa appears as a non-POV in AGOT she's been mean and whe we have her POV she's mean for no good reason(SANSA III AGOT). >PART 1<

And the worst is why GRRM wrote sansa goin to Cercei to tell her the "Ned Plans", it's just bad writing, Cercei kill lady so Sansa going to her was OOC GRRM just wrote that to we hate Sansa And in the book it's not explained what "the Ned plans" was(And it was nothing imortant at all, and would make no difference at Ned's fate) so ordinary readers blame Sansa for Ned's death and GRRM does that too in book 2 Cercei put all the blame for Ned death in sansa nd "the Ned Plans" Your thoughts?PART 2

There’s a lot to unpack here.

I get a sense that in the early books, George was not as comfortable writing female relationships as he was writing male relationships or even male-female ones. I mean, Catelyn has no female friends, no companions like Margaery Tyrell’s cousins, no fostering wards of her own, no correspondences with other ladies except that one letter from Lysa for plot reasons. This is just weird for the lady of two major houses. It is neglectful on George’s part to give most of the important social connections to men. This doesn’t mean he was totally inept at writing female relationships, though, and it does seem like he’s tried to improve upon highlighting the positive in later books.

By comparison, the positive side of the brotherly relationships are presented so strongly that it tends to smooth over the conflicts with many readers. Jon can feel envious and resentful of Robb, but the love and loyalty is always in the foreground. The conflict between Arya, Jeyne, and Sansa does have legitimate character arc and plot purposes, so this isn’t bad writing. It’s unfortunate that GRRM presses down so hard on the constant bickering and occasional nastiness, but he did write some positives (albeit they tended to be revealed in later books) and there are understandable reasons for the dynamics. It was not done in a totally unrealistic way. What’s depicted is a typical and relatable rocky period for that age group, and there was negative adult influence at play. It’s not a permanent feature of the sisterhood. It’s all there if you pay attention and you’re inclined to be charitable toward the mistakes of young girls.

If a reader is already predisposed to see the bonds between male characters as more pure and more able to overcome the negative aspects, then they probably also view the bonds between female characters as inherently weaker and more fraught with conflict. Fandom misogyny is not GRRM’s fault. That sector of the fandom will always have contempt for girls for being girls, especially preteen girls. They will always hone in on their faults and belittle their virtues.

I don’t think that is true that we hardly ever see Jeyne and Sansa talking. They are nearly always in each other’s company. There was real friendship between Sansa and Jeyne, because what George does do well with them, is realistically write the way girls cement their bonds. Young girls strengthen their relationship by communicating and confiding in each other. Sharing secrets, crushes, hopes, fears, and pieces of gossip builds trust and intimacy. Jeyne and Sansa do this all the time, even though they can have different opinions and disagree about a lot. Yes, there is some one-sidedness in that Sansa socially outranks Jeyne and believes that makes her more mature and wiser than her friend. Jeyne is dependent on her closeness to Sansa as a highborn lady and future queen to rise successfully, so she’s not going to push back on Sansa’s dominance. This is also a reason Jeyne sometimes bullies Arya to supplant her as Sansa’s “sister.” When Sansa has something to share, she goes to Jeyne to talk about it. I think it’s hilarious that the girls have a debate over which castle Gregor Clegane’s head will get spiked. Sansa wants Jeyne at her side for these new and exciting events like the tourney. When things get serious and dangerous, they comfort each other. Again, this is not all George’s fault if some readers don’t recognize or value the way girls do friendships.

It’s stated quite clearly why Sansa tries to not think about Jeyne or her deceased family members very often. It’s fucking traumatic and her survival while among her captors depends on mentally holding herself together.

If only she had someone to tell her what to do. She missed Septa Mordane, and even more Jeyne Poole, her truest friend. The septa had lost her head with the rest, for the crime of serving House Stark. Sansa did not know what had happened to Jeyne, who had disappeared from her rooms afterward, never to be mentioned again. She tried not to think of them too often, yet sometimes the memories came unbidden, and then it was hard to hold back the tears. Once in a while, Sansa even missed her sister. By now Arya was safe back in Winterfell, dancing and sewing, playing with Bran and baby Rickon, even riding through the winter town if she liked. Sansa was allowed to go riding too, but only in the bailey, and it got boring going round in a circle all day. -- Sansa II, ACOK.

Following her father’s beheading, Sansa was in a suicidal depression for days. She wouldn’t eat, wouldn’t bathe, welcomed drug-induced sleep, and contemplated killing herself. If she thinks too much on those she lost, she falls to pieces. She can’t openly weep and mourn for “traitors” if her life depends on appearing to be loyal to Joffrey. Most of her grief is suppressed inside. This also includes asking too many questions she doesn’t feel psychologically prepared to hear the answer to. She was there when the decision was made to shuttle Jeyne off to Littlefinger; however, she has no idea this is going to result in Jeyne being sent to a brothel and worse. I would also keep in mind that even if she did ask, it’s not like Cersei or Littlefinger would ever tell her the truth. Why would they? Does she really want to hear lies and have to think about what the horrible truth might be when she can’t do anything about it? When it comes to Arya, Sansa believes her sister escaped on the ship bound for home. She comforts herself with imagining that Arya is safe and free, and that’s enough to keep her going.

And she prays and sings for Jeyne, wherever she is.

She sang for mercy, for the living and the dead alike, for Bran and Rickon and Robb, for her sister Arya and her bastard brother Jon Snow, away off on the Wall. She sang for her mother and her father, for her grandfather Lord Hoster and her uncle Edmure Tully, for her friend Jeyne Poole, for old drunken King Robert, for Septa Mordane and Ser Dontos and Jory Cassel and Maester Luwin... -- Sansa V, ACOK.

It’s only until later in the books that Sansa feels emotionally at peace enough to start remembering the good times with Arya and Jeyne without breaking down into tears. We can also see the conflicts weren’t always a thing, and the love was strong with all three.

Sansa began to make snowballs, shaping and smoothing them until they were round and white and perfect. She remembered a summer's snow in Winterfell when Arya and Bran had ambushed her as she emerged from the keep one morning. They'd each had a dozen snowballs to hand, and she'd had none. Bran had been perched on the roof of the covered bridge, out of reach, but Sansa had chased Arya through the stables and around the kitchen until both of them were breathless. She might even have caught her, but she'd slipped on some ice. Her sister came back to see if she was hurt. When she said she wasn't, Arya hit her in the face with another snowball, but Sansa grabbed her leg and pulled her down and was rubbing snow in her hair when Jory came along and pulled them apart, laughing. -- Sansa VII, ASOS.

It was most unladylike, but Alayne sound found herself laughing. For just a little while, as she ran, she forget who she was, and where, and found herself remembering bright cold days at Winterfell, when she would race through Winterfell with her friend Jeyne Poole, with Arya running after them trying to keep up. -- Alayne I, TWOW.

So it’s not even that the girls only bond through confiding. They run, play, and roughhouse with each other. It’s interesting that AGOT!Sansa tried to be so mature and proper, but now that she’s older, she’s remembering how good and freeing it was just to be a kid. But let’s not act like this part of the story is over. Jeyne is still very much alive and seems likely to run into Arya in Braavos. We can almost be 100% certain that Sansa will find out the truth about what happened to Jeyne and what Littlefinger did to her (and her parents), then watch out. Sansa will turn all that buried pain into a righteous fury at Littlefinger.

Now as for Sansa being mean for “no reason.” Um... yeah, LOL. Sometimes she’s just a total unwarranted bitch to her sister, and it’s not meant to be a good look. Sometimes she’s superficial, insufferably immature and annoying, judgmental and prejudiced AND THAT’S OKAY. I mean, she sounds no better or worse than your average middle-schooler if they were of the privileged nobility. Guess what? Sometimes preteens are really like that. Sometimes siblings have ugly, knockdown drag out fights where they say horrible things to each other. Most will grow past those phases and still wind up just as loving and close. It’s realistic and believable. Sansa has flaws, but they aren’t deep moral flaws. She does an amazing job at growing, learning, and overcoming those flaws over the course of the books. In TWOW, she’s warm and affectionate with people, easy-going, nonjudgmental, and genuinely more mature than ever. She took the stick out of her ass and became a happier person for it. What’s the problem? What did you want her to be? Perfect? Unfailingly kind and loved by everyone all the time? She’d be a saint, not a multifaceted human being. Even with her occasional ugly side, Sansa is still a strong, smart, compassionate badass. I don’t care if some people don’t like her as she is written or if they vilify her with their misinterpretations or ignore her strengths. What bearing does that have on GRRM’s vision for her character? He never set out to write any character that the whole fandom would either unanimously love or hate.

This is not bad writing. This NOT bad writing. This is GOOD writing.

*Sigh* Listen... this whole nonsense about Sansa being to blame for Ned’s demise has been going on since ASOIAF was written on clay tablets. You don’t have to listen to every stupid thing the fandom says about anything. It’s just factually wrong. End of story. This misinterpretation and reader inattentiveness is not GRRM’s fault, because he lays out all the details of everything that went down between Arya, Ned, and Sansa’s POV as it was happening. It’s totally understandable why an upset and frustrated Sansa would go to Cersei, the mother figure she implicitly trusts and admires. She didn’t go to Cersei to betray her father’s plans. She went to the queen to intercede in what she thought had to be some big misunderstanding, having no idea what was really going on or at stake.

This is not OOC for her to go to Cersei after Lady’s death. The hand that killed Lady was her own father’s, a undeniable breach of trust that wounded their relationship. Ned just doesn’t really do a lot to deal with the emotional aftermath either. Ned and Sansa are very similar in turning a blind eye when confronted with unpleasantness from someone they love. Ned is also at that moment disillusioned with Robert’s failure to do the right thing after the Trident incident. He begs Robert in the name of their brotherly love and the love he bore Lyanna, and Robert turns his back on Ned anyway. Yet Ned immediately goes right back to believing in the best of Robert’s nature, despite all evidence to the contrary. Every sign points to this being a one-sided friendship with Robert being lazy, irresponsible, and completely selfish. Like father, like daughter. Sansa has a very hard time accepting that Joffrey and Cersei are not the people she thought they were, even when she’s seen some cracks. And since she can’t understand her father’s actions and the communication has been shot to hell between them, of course she runs to Cersei with her problems. Cersei can flip a switch and pretend to be kind, loving, and understanding.

This is so typical of a teenage thought process: “Dad just doesn’t understand and he’s making a big mistake. I don’t understand why he’s doing this. He doesn’t get how important this is to me. This will all work out if a sympathetic adult steps in and fixes it. Everything will turn out great and we’ll all be happy.” While Sansa is pouring her heart out about how it isn’t fair she can’t say goodbye to Joffrey, Cersei pretends to be that sympathetic mother figure that really understands her. How hard would it be then to pump Sansa for information? Like “Oh my sweet little dove. I know how much you love my son. Don’t worry. I’ll help you straighten this out. You said your father wants to send you away? How? When? What’s the name of that ship again?”

And that line from Cersei’s POV is horseshit. Cersei is a liar and regularly lies in her POV to absolve herself of responsibility and force the blame entirely on others. In this case, Cersei is acting like she didn’t totally manipulate a trusting child to betray her. We also know this is a lie because Ned was the one that told her himself of his plans to reveal the invest and remove her as queen. Sansa had nothing to do with that. All Sansa did was give Cersei information that allowed Cersei the opportunity to take her hostage before the girls could leave by ship. Cersei’s plans against Ned were already well underway. Sansa never came to her with the intent of knowingly betraying anyone, but she did have selfish reasons for going to the queen to complain in the first place. GRRM said himself that Sansa wasn’t to blame for Ned’s capture or death, but she did play a role in the events that transpired. That’s fair. All that makes her is a kid who made a not entirely innocent mistake, but a mistake nonetheless, which she immediately learned from. Does she trust Cersei or Joffrey again? Hell no.

Relax, anon. It’s fine for her to not be nice all the time. It’s fine for her to have some realistic, garden variety flaws. It’s one of the most universal human mistakes to fall too hard and fast for the wrong person, act the fool over them despite all the red flags, only to realize you only saw what you wanted to see in them. And Sansa learned this lesson at eleven when some adults haven’t learned it at all. Relax. She’s a great, well-written, relatable character who has overcome most of these issues successfully.

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thewolfbit · 7 years

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A Game of Stars Chapter One: Echo Base

Jonsa • Star Wars AU

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(Tagging @qinaliel as requested! :D)

“You want to get me lemon cakes.”

Arya laughed so loud that Nymeria lifted her great, shaggy head and stared at the girl. “You’ll have to do better than that,” Arya said.

Sansa clenched her jaw, her blue eyes meeting Arya’s gray. “You… want… to get me… lemon cakes,” she repeated. For a moment, Arya’s expression slipped away. A tiny droplet of sweat slipped down Sansa’s forehead, giving her a chill. She shuddered, and the life came back to Arya’s eyes.

“I thought you were supposed to be good at this,” Arya said, tossing her head. “Besides, there aren’t lemon cakes here. Nobody has time to make fancy food like that. And where would the lemons come from, anyway?”

Sansa ignored Arya’s words as she stared deep into her eyes. She could do this. She knew she could. According to songs and stories, this only worked on the weak-minded, but she’d been able to do it with Robb, Bran, Rickon, and even her own mother. Arya had a powerful mind, but it couldn’t be stronger than the mind of Catelyn Tully, could it?

Maybe it could. After all, as fearsome as their mother was, she wasn’t Force-sensitive. That had skipped Catelyn’s generation, making her—in the eyes of the Empire—valuable for breeding, but not much else. With fewer and fewer Force users being born, arranged marriages were even more popular than they’d been a few generations ago.

Just then, as she stared into her sister’s eyes, Sansa felt it—her connection to the Force, deep down like it had always been there, waiting, maybe asleep. She felt it rush through her, dulling her sensation to the cold, calming her nerves, even relaxing her muscles. She felt… well, warm. Impossibly warm, for Echo Base. “You want to get me lemon cakes,” she said slowly, every word humming with power.

Arya’s eyes dulled and her head bobbed. “I want to get you lemon cakes,” she repeated, jumping to her feet. Nymeria yelped and rose beside Arya, her tail low.

Sansa laughed gleefully, clapping her hands together. Next to her, Lady’s ears flattened in a kind of direwolf smile. “Arya, wait!” Sansa called just before her sister could run out of their quarters with Nymeria at her heels. “I didn’t mean it.”

Arya turned back to her, scratching at her scalp as if Sansa’s mind trick had made the contents of her head itch. Her eyes were wide as she stared at her sister. “Seven hells, Sansa, that was…” She scrunched up her face before she could slip up and compliment her sister. “So stupid. I’d rather swing a blade any day.” She pulled out her lightsaber from her belt and began to slash the hilt around without activating it.

Sansa couldn’t hide the smile on her face. Robb and Arya might have her lightsaber skills, Bran his visions of the future, and Rickon his powerful—if unreliable—telekinesis, but none of the Stark children could manipulate others’ thoughts as well as Sansa. Being able to use the Force was one of the only good things about being stranded on the frozen, Outer Rim wasteland that was Hoth. On Alderaan, the Stark children were forbidden to do anything with their gifts, or even speak of them. Their father had insisted on it, and over the years he had paid a fortune to hide their Force sensitivity from the Empire. He’d told them once that he didn’t want his children to be used as weapons. Like he had been.

Like he still was, now, in Coruscant.

As if sensing her anger, Lady nudged Sansa’s hand. Sansa petted the soft fur behind Lady’s ears.

Of course, Lady was the best thing about Hoth. When the Starks were exiled from Alderaan six months ago, Sansa was terrified of all the new creatures she’d face. Sure enough, as soon as they arrived—forced to land far from Echo Base in case they were being followed—they were attacked by a huge, furry wampa after their transport landed too close to the body of the massive creature it was feasting on. A pack of direwolves, creatures hunted to extinction in the Core Worlds, had surrounded the wampa, snarling and biting until they’d chased it away. The direwolves wouldn’t leave the Starks alone after that, even following them into Echo Base and living among them like pet dogs. They didn’t know then that the direwolves were just pups, probably orphaned that very day from their mother, the wampa’s victim. Now, the direwolves were as big as horses and twice as fast.

As Robb pointed out, House Stark’s sigil had always been the direwolf. Grey Wind, Lady, Nymeria, Summer, and Shaggydog must have known this—perhaps through a kind of Force of their own—and claimed the children as part of their pack.

“When are you going to try a mind probe?” Arya asked, turning the lightsaber hilt over in her hands.

Sansa looked down at Lady. “Never.”

When she first heard about mind probes, all she wanted was to try them. If only Father would let her use the Force. She could read the mind of Joffrey to see if he really did love her, or find out exactly what made Arya do the things she did. But when she arrived on Hoth and learned that a mind probe could be turned around on her, she was terrified to try it. She didn’t want anyone seeing what was inside her head, and maybe that meant she wasn’t supposed to go snooping in others’ heads, either. After all, she might not like what she found. People kept secrets for a reason.

Like her father.

It wasn’t until House Stark was being stripped of its lands and banished from the Core Worlds that Sansa learned Ned Stark had been part of the rebellion. Not only that—he’d been one of the leaders, the Rebel Kings, along with Robert Baratheon.

He was dead now. But Sansa remembered him well. He was to be her father-in-law, after all. Because Ned Stark hid the Stark children’s Force sensitivity, Sansa was, like her mother, only good for breeding. That was enough to merit a betrothal to Joffrey Baratheon.

Then Joffrey’s father Robert joined the rebellion by killing Elia Martell, Rhaegar Targaryen’s wife and the next Empress.

That was the beginning of Sansa’s world turning upside down. At first, she’d worried that this meant Joffrey was no longer good enough for her. His father was a traitor.

But Joff’s mother Cersei left Robert, taking their three children with her to Coruscant and pledging their loyalty to the Empire. As Lannisters do, Sansa remembered Catelyn saying to Ned, her voice bitter and quiet.

After Robert Baratheon was executed, Cersei married the widowed Rhaegar. Joffrey—Prince Joffrey—was even more powerful than ever, heir to the Kyber Throne after the Targaryens by blood: Emperor Aerys, Prince Rhaegar, Princess Rhaenys, and the young Princes Aegon and Jon.

Sansa had secretly been thrilled. Until she learned that her father was part of Robert’s rebellion. Sansa’s fear that Joffrey was not good enough for her was supplanted by the clear fact that she was no longer good enough for him. Or the Core Worlds. Her supposedly dormant Force sensitivity wasn’t enough to save her. She was torn away from everything—her father, her fiancé, her home.

“You’re crazy!” Arya said, startling Sansa from her thoughts of Joffrey and the rebellion.

She’d lost almost everything—but not Arya, the annoying little sister that she’d always wanted to escape from. No, Arya was here, and she even had to share quarters with her… but Sansa had to admit she didn’t mind it as much as she thought she would. They still bickered like they had on Alderaan, of course, but the funny thing about losing almost everything was that made tolerating Arya easier. Even when she called Sansa names.

“You’re never going to try a mind probe?” Arya asked. “If I had the nerdy mental focus that you and Bran have, I’d be mind probing everyone.”

Then thank the gods you don’t, Sansa thought. Lady let out a warm huff of air through her nose, like she was laughing.

“Where is Bran?” Sansa asked, rising from her small cot in the dim, windowless room the sisters shared. Most of the quarters here were stacked high with bunks, but the rebels had given smaller rooms to the high-born people there. She felt guilty, sometimes, but also thankful that she didn’t have to share a large, loud room with a dozen rough rebel women. Sansa stretched, feeling herself come fully back into her body and out of her head, even as something nagged the back of her mind, like she was forgetting something she was desperately supposed to remember. “I haven’t seen him, or Robb or Rickon, all day.”

There was a pounding on the door.

Sansa jumped, startled, and Arya whirled toward the door, raising the hilt of her lightsaber like she was cutting down an enemy.

“Arya, don’t be stupid,” Sansa said, but her heart was beating fiercely. She had a strange sense that this visitor had something to do with the odd, persistent feeling she couldn’t shake.

“You don’t be stupid!” Arya frowned and hit the door’s open button. It slid open as slowly as ever. Sansa laid one hand on Lady’s side, trying to be patient even though all her nerves felt on edge. When the door opened, Bran stood there with Summer, trying to catch his breath. His eyes were wild and darting, like some kind of prey caught by Joffrey’s horrible hunting parties. Sansa’s stomach turned.

“They’re coming,” Bran said.

Sansa and Arya looked at each other. Neither needed to ask what he meant. The room shuddered, growing larger and then smaller, like the last time Sansa had had too much wine. She shut her eyes tightly, trying to think. “Mother, and Robb,” she said. They would know what to do.

“Robb and Rickon aren’t in our quarters,” Bran said.

They weren’t safe. They needed to run. Again. Sansa’s eyes lit on the chest with her possessions—but Arya tugged at her sleeve. “Come on. You’re already wearing your coat.” They all were, always, because Echo Base was freezing. “All you need is your lightsaber.”

“Let me get it, then,” Sansa said, her voice pitching as she opened the chest of her belongings. Her heart squeezed as she saw them all, and she couldn’t help but slip her small keepsake pouch into her sleeve as she grabbed her lightsaber hilt. Arya’s quick eyes probably noticed, but she didn’t say a word as Sansa stood up again. “I’m ready.” She wasn’t.

Sansa followed her siblings and their direwolves into the hall, slipping the pouch into the pocket of her huge coat. The quarters that Catelyn shared with General Brienne—the powerful Force user, almost like an old Jedi knight, who had been training them—was empty. They ran down the long barracks hallway, passing the always-shut doors of the command center, until they reached the mess hall.

Rebels sat at the tables, eating and laughing in their big fur coats. A group of young boys, no older than Bran, sat sprawled at one table, playing cards. Just seeing them made Sansa feel ill. They were in danger because of the Starks.

“There they are,” Arya said, pointing across the room at the table where Catelyn, Robb, and Rickon were sharing a tray of some Outer Rim food that was surely more like rubber. As they hurried through the busy mess hall, rebels grinned and ducked out of their way, staring up at the direwolves in awe. Some of them recoiled, trying to get as far from the beasts as possible. Usually, Sansa would have taken it personally—Lady was so gentle, after all—but right now she didn’t care.

Arya got to them first. “The Empire,” she gasped. “Bran saw it.”

Catelyn’s weary smile faded away. “No,” she said, her voice almost a whisper. Catelyn looked to the sky, as if she could look straight through Echo Base to glimpse at the sky. “How could they find this place?”

Robb stood up, whistling for Grey Wind to come to his side. “We need to get out before it happens,” he said.

Cat stared at him. “Abandon the others? General Brienne? King Renly? Everyone else?”

“We can’t!” Arya snapped, and Robb shushed her.

“We promised we’d save Father. That’s why we’re here. That’s what we’ve been working for. How can we do that if we don’t survive?” He leaned forward, taking Catelyn’s gloved hands in his. “He needs us, Mother. More than any of these rebels do.”

Catelyn took a deep breath and looked at the faces of her children. “Fine,” she said, looking down at the ground. “But we’re not leaving without telling Lord Renly.”

“I’ll tell him myself. He should know of the threat.” Robb nodded, turning to Sansa. She felt herself paling. Why was he looking at her like she was some kind of leader? “Get Mother and the others to the hangar bay. Find rations and a transport just for us.”

“Just for us?” Sansa repeated. It would be safer to be in a big transport with the other rebels and a true pilot, wouldn’t it?

“A big transport is an easier target,” Robb said. “Set the coordinates for Tatooine. I’ll meet you all in Hangar 7.”

By the time they arrived in Hangar 7, it was already in chaos thanks to the warning sirens flooding Echo Base. King Renly’s voice thundered over the speakers. The base was to be evacuated. The shields were being raised to maximum power. When Renly announced that the tauntauns that rebels used were to be released outside the base, Sansa clung to Lady’s side, praying to all the gods that he wouldn’t say the same thing about direwolves.

In the crowds, Sansa could barely see straight. Following Arya’s lead, she hoisted herself onto Lady’s back, pulling her scruff as gently as possible. She’d learned to ride horses and other equine beasts on Alderaan, but only side saddle. Lady had no saddle at all, but Sansa didn’t wear skirts anymore, anyway. The four direwolves leapt through the ship deck, Nymeria and Arya leading the way, and Catelyn holding Rickon close on Shaggydog’s back. Rebel pilots were already leaping into the cockpits of their fighters, droids at the ready.

If the Starks wanted to escape before things turned ugly, they needed to go now.

Finally, Arya spotted a small, empty transport. She leapt off Nymeria and began to prepare it for launch. Robb had seemed to put Sansa in charge, but Arya was quicker at these kinds of things anyway, wasn’t she? Sansa felt her heart racing faster and faster; a ticking clock running out of time. Lady bent her legs and Sansa slid off, keeping her hand on Lady’s side. “What about the direwolves?” she asked Arya.

Arya stopped and shook her head without facing Sansa. “There isn’t room for them all in here,” she said, and when she turned around, her face was red. Sansa had seen that look a hundred times. Her sister was trying to fight back angry tears.

“Shaggydog can’t come?” Rickon gasped from behind Sansa. She turned around and saw him, holding Catelyn’s hand, his features scrunched as if he was ready to cry, too. Bran stood beside them, his face ashen.

“It’s not fair!” Arya’s voice echoed around them. “We can’t just leave them.”

“We can’t,” Bran agreed.

“We’ll find something bigger,” Sansa said, her voice more demanding.

Catelyn pressed her hand on Sansa’s shoulder, but Sansa wouldn’t look in her mother’s eyes. “They’re creatures of Hoth, Sansa,” Catelyn said. “They won’t survive the deserts of Tatooine.”

“No,” Sansa said, shaking her head. “We’ll go somewhere else, then.” Her head felt dizzy, like she was going to be sick. Her life had been torn apart. She’d lost her friends, title, betrothed—even her home and her father. But now that she had Lady, she wasn’t losing her. Ever.

Catelyn closed her eyes. “There isn’t time. What would your father say?”

Sansa wanted to say that her father would tell them to bring the wolves. But she didn’t know what he would say. Not anymore. He’d lied about the rebellion. Maybe she didn’t really know him at all.

“Father would say they were the sigil of his house, and proven friends to us.” It was Robb, suddenly behind them, sliding off of Grey Wind’s back. “The more friends and weapons we have, the more likely we are to survive. And the direwolves are both friends and weapons.”

Sansa nodded, relieved, but Catelyn didn’t look convinced as she peered into the small transport. There wasn’t room, really, but they’d fit. Somehow. They had to.

“There’s plenty of room,” Robb said, exchanging a glance with Arya.

“There isn’t time, like you said, Mother,” Arya said, punching the command screen. The transport door slid open. “Let’s go instead of arguing.”

Catelyn took a deep breath, then turned to Robb. “You spoke to King Renly?”

“I did. General Brienne, too. She said she needed to stay by her king’s side until the base was evacuated, but that they would find us on Tatooine.”

Catelyn nodded slowly.

“Mother, you first,” Robb said, ushering them into the transport. “Now, Rickon,” he said, helping his younger brother inside. Catelyn brought Rickon into her arms and he hid his crying face on her shoulder. Shaggydog sniffed around the transport as Catelyn shooed him into the small cargo hold behind the even smaller cockpit. Catelyn strapped them both into the center seat. “Bran,” Robb said, crouching down to face him. “Do you have your lightsaber?”

Bran nodded silently.

“Good.” Robb helped Bran inside and he fastened himself into his seat, calling Summer to his side. Two seats left. That meant Sansa and Arya would probably have to share, even though it should really be Arya and Bran. Sansa was always getting stuck with Arya. And it was Arya’s turn next, because she was the next-youngest after Bran. Sansa waited for her sister, impatient. She could barely wait to get in and leave Hoth, curled up with Lady on their way to somewhere safe.

At least, she hoped it was safe. She didn’t know much about Tatooine except that it was far, far away. Just like Hoth had been.

No, she thought, pressing her lips together. It would be safe. It had to be.

“Arya,” Robb said, nodding at his youngest sister. She nodded back, and then—then she was pressing the button to seal the transport. The door slid shut in an instant.

Catelyn’s face fell, realizing all too quickly what was happening. Sansa dug her fingers into Lady’s side, unable to speak.

“No,” Catelyn cried, her voice muffled behind the glass of the door and the divider. She reached to unhook herself from the seat, but Robb shook his head.

“I’ve locked it from the outside until after landing,” he said as his mother’s face twisted in horror. “You’re on auto pilot to Tatooine. Keep the boys safe, Mother.”

“No,” she repeated.

Sansa was shaking her head, but she couldn’t move. All she could do was stare at her mother’s eyes, the same Tully blue as hers.

As the transport began to hum to life, Arya placed her palm on the glass, but Sansa could see that her other hand was shaking, curled into a fist. “We’ll find you.”

And just like that, the transport began to rise. Anya’s hand slipped from the glass. Sansa could see their mother’s auburn hair for an instant longer. Sansa blinked and the transport was gone. They were gone.

Sansa leaned against Lady. Her knees were so weak that she thought she would have fallen otherwise. “Why?” she asked, her voice weak. Lady whined.

Arya spun around, her face hot and red. “We can’t just abandon the people that took us in and kept us alive. We have to fight with them!”

Robb reached out to Sansa, but she backed away, farther into Lady’s warm ribcage. “Sansa, we’re the only Force users here, besides General Brienne,” Robb said. “We need to help fight. We can buy time for the others to escape.”

“No,” she protested, shaking her head. “We’re not strong enough! We don’t… we’ve only been training for a half a year.” Arya’s lip curled. Sansa knew that meant she was completely and utterly disgusted by her, but she didn’t care. She wanted her mother and her little brothers. She wanted Tatooine, however far and hot it was, because at least it was safer than here. She wanted home and her father again. “Let’s go, Robb, Arya, we can still make it,” she pleaded, grabbing Robb’s sleeve and trying to pull him away. There were transports all around them. The lines were long, but they were the Starks—the rebels would let them move to the front. The rebels would take them to Tatooine, right? Even just to the nearest planet, anything—anything was better than this.

“Sansa.” Robb took her shoulders in his hands, holding her firm. Lady let out a small growl, and Sansa flinched, embarrassed at herself and embarrassed at Lady, who was always so good. Grey Wind flicked his tail and stepped toward Lady. Brother against sister. Everything was falling apart. “Sansa,” Robb continued. “We have to help.”

“I can’t,” Sansa protested. She was hopeless with a lightsaber; even Bran was better than her and he was only 14. She’d been practicing telekinesis on her needlework, but her stitches always came out crooked. She could influence others’ thoughts, it was true, but not more than one at a time. How could that help in battle? “I’m too weak, Robb,” she whispered.

“You’re more powerful than you know.” He leaned back and smiled up at Lady. “And she won’t let you get hurt, will she?”

“You can either fight with us or sit here like a proper lady and die,” Arya snapped, pulling herself up onto Nymeria’s back. “But I’m not waiting for you to cry over it first.”

It stung. Sansa was tired of feeling useless. On Alderaan, everyone had always marveled about how accomplished she was. But ever since she’d been forced into the life of a rebel, she found she wasn’t much good at anything useful except for patching up torn uniforms or comforting the children. Now, finding out that Robb and Arya had planned this all behind her back stung even more. They didn’t trust her to be strong enough to know about the plan.

She wasn’t strong enough. Just thinking about her mother made her feel weak. In a few seconds, she’d lost even more of her family.

But what was it that her father always said? Something about their house sigil. Something about direwolves.

As if Arya was reading her mind, she repeated it now, her voice gentler than before. “When the snow blows and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies—”

“But the pack survives,” Sansa finished, her voice more of a sigh than anything else.

On Alderaan, she was a girl training to be a lady. The future Lady Baratheon. But on Hoth, she was nothing more than a rebel.

No, that wasn’t true. She was a rebel who could use the Force.

Now it was Lady’s turn to read her mind. She lowered herself and Sansa climbed atop her back. If she was going to fight, it was better to have a head start. “Let’s go,” she said, her voice a mix of mourning and terror and anticipation, and maybe just a hint of resolve.

But it was too late for a head start. As soon as Robb leapt onto Grey Wind, Echo Base’s warning alarm changed, chiming at a new frequency. A voice, not Renly’s this time, came over the loudspeaker: Imperial forces within atmosphere. Identified as Stormtrooper elite unit Blizzard Force.

Stormtroopers. So the Empire meant to launch an attack over land. “Blizzard Force,” Robb repeated, exchanging a glance with Arya. When did they start keeping secrets from her? Before she could think too much about it, Nymeria and Grey Wind began to run through Hangar 7, and Sansa nudged Lady to follow, dread filling her belly. All she could think was that the snow was certainly blowing, and if she didn’t stay with her pack, she would not survive.

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Gendrya and Why I think they are endgame in the show.

First I want to start with their background. And why I think D/D is shocking the audience so much with this change in Arya’s character. Well reason is super simple CAUSE THEY NEVER BODER TO READ THE F.ING BOOKS. Uff that was a handful.

Arya is one of George RR Martin original 5 characters. Which means he created this characters and their arcs first and then he created the rest to compliment their plot. This characters are Jon Snow, Daenerys Targaryen, Arya Stark, Tyrion Lannister, and Bran Stark. And D/D felt to make 3 out of this 5 characters miserably which are Jon, Arya and Bran. They are complex emotionally characters.

Arya in the books and in the show ( which I don’t understand why people don’t get this) Arya never became a faceless woman. She gain the knowledge, abilities, and skills but didn’t passed the test that is why they send the waif after her. Arya kills ONLY the people that have hurt someone she loved. Every single person she has kill has been involved in the death or disappearance of one of her friends or family member. Arya in the books is attack to her emotional side a lot, and the person that mostly thinks of is Jon. She misses him the most and thinks about him, and wanting to be with him all the time. So when D/D decide to make Arya a coldness psychopath it made me so angry because it disrespect all of the work George had put into Arya’s psychological, and emotional description. So to me someone that is facinated with Arya’s character in the books and has pay close attention to her POV and what other characters say about her it didn’t surprised me at all this “change” in her character this season.

Okay enough about Arya let’s focus on the show only cause I think this is where were we actually get more clues as to why Gendry and Arya will end up together.

1. Robert Baratheon Quote to Ned in the Crypts of Winterfell.

“ We were meant to RULE Together. If your SISTER had lived we had been bound by BLOOD....But it is NOT TOO LATE. I have SON, you have a DAUGHTER we will JOIN our Houses”

At the time they were obviously talking about Sansa and Joffrey but as we all know Sansa never even came close to marrying a Baratheon or even meeting one. In fact Robbert never had any legitimate son ever introduced in court. Joffrey, Marcella, and Tommen were the only known Baratheon yet we know they were actually pure Lannisters. The only character that was introduced to a son of Robbert was Arya. And I found it curious how the only child Robbert asked it’s name was to Arya and the scene when ned meets Gendry is exactly the same facial expressions from both Robbert and Ned towards Arya and Gendry. And this is how their relationship started. Gendry was very protective of Arya. And even if Arya annoyed him he was always not too far from her, and willing to intervene or act in order to protect her. We saw it in in the King’s road when traveling with Yoren, Harrenhal, and also while they were in the cave with the brotherhood.

Also another quote from ned that everyone practically crucified Arya with was

“ you will marry a HIGH LORD and RULE his castle. And your children would be knights, Princess and lords and even High Septon”

And she reply with “ no that is not me” there is a lot of curious things to take into consideration here. First in the books it doesn’t say HiGH LoRd it says KiNG. So D/D changed king to high lord. Which at the time when they said that how can Arya married a KING if her sister was engaged to the future king of Westeros and Ned was aware of that fact. They changed in the show to high lord. So Arya wouldn’t married just any lord. A high lord in a lord from one of the greater houses of Westeros( Starks, Tyrell, Arryn, Targaryen, Baratheon, Tully, Greyjoy and Lannister) so this was the first foreshadow that D/D threw us for Gendry and Arya since they change that Arya wasn’t going to marry a king but a high lord.

The second curious part is the Rule part. Going back to what Robbert told ned about Lyanna and him “ we were meant to RULE together” nes said Arya will rule her lord husband’s castle which in Westerosi society the wife doesn’t do much, only takes care of seventy and the educations and care of the children the rest all falls into the lord’s responsibilities. So Robbert said that he would have rule with Lyanna not have her by his side but ruling along with him. If we go back to what Arya and Ned where talking about before she said that wasn’t her. She spoke of wanting to be a KNIGHT or LORD herself because she doesn’t identied with the “LADY “ role that sociaty dictates to women. So we have seen Gendry and Arya’s interactions seen the very beginning we got this sense of Gendry just following this girl around. Trusting her moves and strategies even when he was older than her. When they made love Gendry acted and looked like the one that was inexperience that is because he allow and trusted Arya to lead and do what she wanted with him, all he cared was that she was comfortable and enjoying as much as he was allowing her to take the wheel. If Gendry and Arya were to be put into a lord and lady situation Arya would be the one to Rule over Gendry. Which confirms what Ned said about Arya’s future husband.

Lyanna Stark and Arya Stark comparison.

In the books we get two quotes one from ned and one from bran that Arya and Lyanna looked exactly like yet we got from more than once saying how Arya and Lyanna share the same personality. They both had what ned called

“ the wolf blood”

But in the show D/D found an actress that looked similar not to kit Harrington but Maisie Williams. So they carefully picked Lyanna so that she would look like Arya. Why would d/d do this if they didn’t want to reinforce the story of Lyanna and Robbert.

Lyanna was just like Arya while growing up. Except with the difference that Ned allow Arya things Lyanna’s father didn’t allow her. Like ned getting her a dancing teacher. Ned got Arya a dancing teacher because he felt like he didn’t want to make the same mistake his father did with his sister and allow Arya’s wildness to roam free. Both loved sword fighting and riding horses. Both had the stark rare beauty. That blossom in late teens instead as children like Sansa. But their beauty was Unique and rare because in the books we get a man from bravos offering Arya to become a courtesan and that with beauty she will have man fighting over her maiden blood. Much like what Lyanna’s beauty cost the kingdom.

Not just hat but they felt for the same KIND of man. And lost their maidenhead with the one they CHOSE to to it with.

Rhegar was gentle and soft spoken much like Gendry.

When Arya lost her virginity is also a connection to Rhegar/Lyanna/Robbert triangle. When Arya started to interrogate Gendry about his past sexual experiences she wanted to know what place she will use in Gendry love life. If Gendry would care about him being the first man she lay with. If he saw the “honor” Arya was giving him. Also when Arya was counting gave us a reference to Robbert Baratheon “ ladies man history”

“1...2...20” Robbert Baratheon sired 20 bastard outside of his marriage with Cersei.

Lyanna didn’t like that about Robbert. So she picked a man that was gentle and would care about her maidenhead given to him.

Rhegar wanted to proof himself to Lyanna that she meant something to him. He married her even if meant a rebellion will break. Gendry after taking Arya’s maidenhead he propose to Arya and pay attention to what Gendry told Arya. He said three interesting things. First he said that she was beautiful. Hot pie told Arya she was pretty, the Lannister soldiers told her she was nice but they tried to say to her she was pretty too. Cause Gendry used the word good first to describe Arya’s appreciate. They are trying to move forward in Arya’s transformation to this rare beauty her aunt Lyanna was. Also by using beautiful Gendry is also referring to her inside. He also said I LOVE YOU.

Which Maisie Williams said that when she shot her last scene in season 3 with Joe Dempsie the director told her to say “ I Could be your family” like she was telling Gendry I love you with the same emotional weight of the word. So now D/D decide to throw in the actually word but this time have Gendry said it.

The next thing Gendry said to Arya was “ None of it would mean anything if your are not with me. So be with me?” This quote sounds familiar to the quote Robber told Cersei.

“ all I know she (Lyanna) was the one thing that I ever wanted it . Someone took her from me and seven kingsdome couldn’t feel the whole she left behind” Robbert told this to Cersei when Cersei asked if there has ever been a chance in the long run of their marriage where Robbert felt something for her and Robbert said no. It sounds the same of what Gendry told Arya about the lordship, and lads and the power couldn’t mean anything if she wasn’t there to lived it with him. And this is where it hurts my heart because he said the same thing his father said about Lyanna. A lot of people are how can he love they just reunited like 3 days ago. Unlike any other couple EvER in game of thrones Arya and Gendry have history together not like boyfriend and girlfriend but friends. They were traveling partners first then they turned in friends and then into each other shoulder and then they tear them away from the other. Arya added 3 people to her list do to Gendry being taken away from her. Melisandre, Thoros and Beric. If Arya didn’t care about gendry she wouldn’t have asked him to go to Riverrun with her or for him to work for her brother Robb. Gendry feels that love her since long time because Arya was the only person who show him respect even when she was highborn and he wasn’t Arya hated that Gendry would lower himself just because she had “ high lord’s name” that is why Gendry doesn’t see much of that “ highborn” life without Arya. Because every other highborn he come close to threaten like crap. So Arya is the only female he had ever meet that made him feel worth something even when he had nothing.

He asked her to be his wife. Which I found so cute because no one has done that before. To get in one knee and asked for the hand of the woman they want to take. They usually get their brides ship off to their “new Home” and yeah let the lord’s family take the whee from there. Even woman aren’t buried in their actual family crypts they are buried in their husband family crypts. That is sad. So Gendry gave Arya to wring impression of what he wanted. Arya doesn’t want to lose her freedom, her wildness, her wolf blood. But she doesn’t know that Gendry is a bit brute to talk he wouldn’t remember his freaking bastard name right. He was nervous not drunk just anxious. But he loves that wildness her, he feels very sexually attracted to Arya. And we see it in the forge scene when Arya talks to him about knowing and stuff. You can see the sexual tension from her to him and from him to her. So he wants this new. His body desires this new Arya bite the love has always been there. Now obviously with sexual convinded. Which differentiate a man liking a woman as a friend or liking a woman for as life partner. You don’t sleep with friends. So I found it quite interesting how they played their relationship this season. But what I loved was that even though Arya told gendry the truth she is not a lady [westeros definition of a lady] she didn’t say she didn’t want to marry him. She answer him with a kiss. And not just any kiss. The kiss was felt and gentle. She savored the kiss and she kept her eyes close the entire time just like he did. And I don’t know if I’m reading to much into it but when Gendry kneel in front of Arya and asked her. Arya kneel with him and as they kiss they rises together. Like Arya lowering herself could mean she sees him as equal and they will rises together as lord and lady of Storm ends. Which I think it will happened because the music got louder as raised. All their kisses have been gently, felt, and reciprocated. Both of them shared the want and they both seem content in other’s arms. And most important Arya didn’t say no. Just like when they made love people were like ohh Arya didn’t enjoy it. She didn’t want it. No Arya is thinking of what she needs to do still. Yeah she kill the night king but she told the hound “ it felt better than dying” she did it because she was there and the opportunity came. But it wasn’t who she has target. The person that cause more damage to her family were the Lannister Joffrey, and Cersei. She was going to kill cersei but learn of Jon being alive and king in the north and pick her pack over her agenda. But now her pack is safe and she is going to finish her unfinish business in capital. So she needs to have her head cold and not bring gebdry into the mixing pot. She knows that the golden cloaks wanted gebdry dead way before she knew why. So she fears for Gendry and what Cersei would do if she finds out that there is a legitimate Baratheon heir. And since ned in episode 6 of season 1 he changed Robbert will to legitimate heir it would cancel right to the throne. She took the throne after Tommen because there wouldn’t any other Baratheon alive to take the throne. So Gendry is even a bigger threat to Cersei than Daenerys.

Also we didn’t get an after scene or even a description of the scene in the making of episode and I think is because it hasn’t end yet for them. If arc is over they would speak about it. But they didn’t and it was fairy important since it was a proposal to unite two mayor houses. But they didn’t talked about because it would give it away.

Now somethings that also help as a foreshadow.

Nymeria and her pack of wolves. Jon gave away ghost and he told tourmud something “ direwolf don’t belong in the south”

you know nothing, Jon Snow. Nymeria settle down as pup in the Riverlands and she created a pack of her own when she lost her mistress and her litter mates. She wonder on her own much like Arya did in the Riverlands and settle down with cousin wolves. Not direwolves like her in a land that dorewolves aren’t familiar to roam around. Here is why Nymeria was able to that. Nymeria was named after Queen Nymeria of Qoer from Essos. She was a WARRIOR QUEEN. She brought her people from across the narrow sea. Just like Arya came from Bravos turn into a warrior. Queen Nymeria married into the martell house. She knew the importance of the survival of her people so she married into a house and lived got family in land that wasn’t hers. That is why in the Dorne like Oberyn and Ellia told Cersei and Tywin how they don’t discriminate bastards in Dorne that the sand children aren’t looked down upon like in the rest of Westeros because of Queen Nymeria’s influences from Essos. Nymeria creates her pack because it was necessary for her as alpha shewolf . Arya did the same she took Gendry, Lommy and Hotpie as her pack. But eventually she would have the necessary of creating a new pack. And this time it would be just like Nymeria did with someone who isn’t a direwolve like her. “Direwolves don’t belong in the south” Arya survive the south, Nymeria survive the south. Queen Nymeria settle down in another continent and married even though she was a warrior queen. Nymeria settle down in the Riverlands. Even a shewolf leading her. Arya just left winterfell saying she will never come back and she will settle down in a new land just like queen Nymeria and just like her direwolf. She will settle in the storm end’s yet she would the head she wolf of her new pack that she will create with Gendry.

Also in the winterfell aftermath promo we see Needle left behind. At the time we didn’t know what the places was and everyone thought Arya was going to died and she ended being the hero. Well that storage room is the same storage room where Gendry and Arya made love. And if we go back to what needle represents in the books to Arya and also in the show. Needle was winterfell, her family and Jon’s smile. Needle was Arya Stark of Winterfell. Needle being left behind in that promo in that room could mean that Arya will leave her stark name behind. Which also connects to what the person that dresses the cast said about Arya’s outfit during season 7 and 8 Arya is not dress completely like a Stark because she won’t be a Stark for much long.

Also in the scene with Arya and Gendry making love I noticed that Arya before setting down on top of him told him “ I’m not the red woman take your own bloody pants off” this means two things that Arya is not forcing him to participate if he doesn’t want to and also calls back to maybe Arya taking something some Gendry just like the red woman did. Which was blood. Which if I’d go back to what Robbert told ned about him and Lyanna he said if your sister had lived we had been bound by BLOOD. Which means a child. Just like Daenerys could pregnant with Jon Arya has the same chances. And just Lyanna got pregnant from the man she lost her maidenhead too.

Also another call back to season 1 when the Starks find the direwolf mama (Stark) was cross by Stag (Baratheon)

And last but not least. In the aftermath of their love making. What is covering Arya’s breast and womb is Gendry’s cloak which in Westeros the cloak on woman means taking that woman into tour home under your name.

The hound being the one to encourage the change in Arya.

The hound had some interesting talks in episode 4 with Sansa, gebdry and Arya.

The one quote that call my attention was his conversations with Gendry. “ the dead are dead you are not”

The hound and Arya will take the mountain together. Because they complement what the other lacks. Arya doesn’t have the strength of brutal force to take down the mountain but she has the speed and the skills to do it which the hound doesn’t. I think they will be the ones to clear the path for Jaime to kill Cersei and fulfill the profecy. But I think the hound will be wounded during the fight and this time Arya will grant him the gift of mercy that she denied him the first time. This fight with the mountain was foreshadow when hound fought against Brienne and lost. Also the hound said to Arya.

“ are you going to LEAVE ME if I get HURT?” And Arya responded “possibly” which foreshadows that Arya this time wont leave him and will grant him the mercy that she didn’t the first time around. And just like the conversation that they have prior to her leaving him was to encourage her to take out that mirderous anger out and kill. This time he will encourage her to live her life of killing behind just like he did. He fought for her and common good after she left him.

“The dead are dead. You are not” he will make her see that the no more reason for her to live a lonely life like he did. She has someone waiting her. She still has family. She needs to live and put death and revenge behind her. So I think that is why they team them up. Because basically in the books the hound still “ dead” so his arc is finish so far. But d/d gave a purpose just like they did to Beric Dondarion. They needed to protect Arya. Arya didn’t seem happy and seem deep though as they left. And that is where the “torn” comes that Maisie Williams said Arya would feel. She loves Gendry but she won’t rest until she knows of her loves are safe.

That is why I think they will meet again. Probably by the end of episode 5. Arya is going in through the tunnels and as we remember the tunnels lead out to the place where Arya and Gendry meet back in season one. So if Arya escapes through the same tunnels it would be very poetic to come across Gendry in the same place where all begin for them. Gendry will see a completely different Arya. And if not then episode 6 at the beginning and it starts with the grown that were seen at the premiere in NYC. One of the growns is made for Maisie Williams measurement. The others I don’t know cause weaterosi wedding dress very from kingdom to kingdom. But this one call my attention because it is made based on song in the books.

The song is call feather bed. This song appears only in Arya’s POV and is a scene where she meets with Gendry again. The song is play in the hall of acorn. And Arya is dress in pretty dress with acorn decorating the gown. This is the first time Gendry sees Arya DRESS LIKE A LADY.

“My featherbed is deep and soft and there I’ll lay you down” [Arya and Gendry first made love in sack of grain. Soft enough for them sleep.]

“I’ll dress you all in yellow silk” [ yellow is the Baratheon house color. Also the dress that was seen in the premiere looks yello from afar and looks like feathers]

“And on your head a crown. For you shall be my Lady love and I shall be your lord” [what did Gendry asked Arya to marry him and be Lady of storm end’s which will make her his lady love and give her a crown a ruling power over the storm end’s”

“ I’ll always keep you warm and safe and guard you with my sword” [“ is going to be safe down in the crypts you know” “ why you need a this you already have a sword” knowing perfectly well that only Valyrian steal and Dragon Glass protect against the wighs. “ not a bad place to grow up if it wasn’t so cold” “ is night time, is freezing and you should celebrating” all this show that Gendry worries about Arya safety and still sees her as someone he needs to protect.]

“And how she smiled and how she laughed the maiden of the tree” [Gendry seem fascinated with Arya’s personality, how she looks, what she capable of and that little smiled Arya gave him when he called him m’slady. ]

“She spun away and said to him no featherbed for me” [ so we have reach the proposal part of song and how she reacted. “ no featherbed for me” means no I’m not a lady. It calls back to the Jenny song in episode 2 when they show Arya and gendry post love making. As they show them they sang “spun away all her sorrow and pain and she never wanted to leave” that is exactly what Arya didn’t want to do. Gendry makes her feel new things she likes but she thinks she isn’t what Gendry needs. But she is wrong Gendry loves her as she is. He loved and care for her when she was Arry and now he has falling in love with Arya the woman he kneel in front of”

“I’ll wear a grown of GOLDEN LEAFS and bind my hair with grass. For you can be my forest love and me your forest lass” [ this is the part that left me shooked. The dress that appears to be yellow feathers if zoom in to see the details of dress are actually golden leafs. The dress is entirely made of GOLDEN LEAFS. Why would they create a gown that was mention in a song that was sang as Gendry sees Arya dress like a lady for the first time. As they rolled on each other on floor and laughed and giggled together. Why would d/d make a dress from song that George RR Martin had made special for this two. Why they don’t want to talk about the proposal. Because that isn’t the end of them.

Also the dress is made for someone with a short torso. I know cause I make clothes and my height is the same as Maisie 1.55m tall. It has short neck cuff and a short cleavage space that compare to Sansa’s raven gown as a much larger cut since Sansa was a longer torso. How can you tell by the space between under the breast and the waist line and from waist to the hips and from the hips to the end of the dress. Is meant to be put in petite, short body. In fact both are.

Joe Dempsie said that he ended filming in late May and Arya ended in Early June and was the last people to end shooting. And she posted a picture in July of bloody shoes and # lastwomanstanding. Joe Dempsie just gave interviews that don’t sound to optimistim but Joe Dempsie is very professional and not giving anything away about Arya and Gendry’s game. Maisie is worse she never even mention Gendry in any of the promo interviews. They didn’t include Gendry in any of the promotional material for season 8. Heck we didn’t even know if he was going to be in the season. Also Maisie last scene were film in the location where they film the storm end’s scenes. Joe Dempsie said for New York time he said that Arya is not ready yet. He did t say she said no. And in the other he said she was never going to be the lady of anyone. Because Arya is not a lady. And if she marries to Gendry it would be her leading the pack. Her being the lord, her being the shewolf, the warrior queen. Smart way to throw people off. That is marketing training.

That is why I think they still have a change.

Also on side note. I have read “spoilers” or “leaks” that says that Sansa would marry Gendry and I’m like this sansa fans are like so desperate to pair Sansa with someone that they don’t care who. First was Jon ( which is totally bs because in the book they don’t thinks or care about each other. Sansa is always the one that thinks of Jon as nothing but a bastard brother. So J*nsa fans thanks d/d for whatever content you have because George rr Martin didn’t given nothing) then it was Theon like oh much, they kill Theon. The. Tyrion because of the scene in the crypts. Now oh my gosh now she she going to end with the hound. She held hands with him and she was looking at him like Arya was looking at Gendry in the forge and I’m like are you serious ?! Let the girl be she has bad experience she feels save with her being the owner of her life. Sansa finally understood that being lady is not good. And if they think she will end with Gendry how the hell are they going to built a story line for them. They don’t anything that connects them. Sansa and Gendry view life very differently. As well if it was to happened I feel so bad sansa. Because she will have a marriage like Cersei and Robbert. Or worse like Lysa and little finger. Arya make love to gendry. Arya gave Gendry her maidenhead. Do to that Gendry proposed and said line that his father told Cersei.

“ it wouldn’t mean anything if you are not with me” Gendry to Arya.

“ and seven kingdom couldn’t fill the hole she left behind” Robbert about Lyanna.

“There is only one woman I have loved all my life..... your sister” little finger to Lysa.

“ I’ll refused! you are my queen. I don’t know what else to say.” Jon to Daenerys

“Clegane! You tell her that!” Beric to the hound about Arya being in danger. Over comes his childhood fear to protect Arya.

“ I fought for you didn’t I” the hound to Arya.

So you honestly want sansa to end with someone how doesn’t love her or will end up with her sister’s or Daenerys left overs. Wow.

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At what moment do you consider Sandor fell in love with Sansa? (or care for romantically, if you don't think he fell in love). Do you think he realizes he feels something other than lust for her or is he still oblivious to his feelings? I thought about this a few days ago and its been bothering me for some time...

Yes, he knows it’s more than just lust, but it’s complicated. Let me start with the physical attraction part. I don’t think there is any evidence before their encounter on the serpentine steps that Sandor is physically attracted to Sansa. That’s the moment that he blurts out in his drunken, uninhibited state that he’s just noticed she has a more womanly figure; however, he quickly reminds himself that no, she’s still a little bird no matter what she looks like. Before that, he’s only ever treated her like the kid she is, whether he’s arguing with her or trying to protect her. For a man with as many issues as Sandor has, physical attraction is the easiest feeling to understand and identify. That doesn’t make it something he’s comfortable with. He definitely feels guilt and embarrassment over it, and even tries to suppress it. The milk is already spilled though. His physical attraction is now enmeshed with his desire to maintain intimacy and to protect her. Caring for a kindred spirit now becomes more amorous, which can be the natural progression of things when two people have chemistry. Something flips a switch, and they suddenly look different than they did before.

Sandor isn’t oblivious to his feelings. What he has are a lot of emotions that are muddled together and in direct conflict with one another, causing him great consternation; furthermore, his prior experience with love of any kind is scant to none. He was betrayed by his father at a young age and lived under constant terror from his brother. His only other example of familial “love” is the Lannisters. :P He’s been conditioned to think of himself as a dog that should only be content with what his masters see fit to give him. He has a major facial disfigurement that elicits disgust and fear within a prejudiced society. He’s abrasive and emotionally immature, which alienates him more from others. He’s never been treated like a human being with feelings until Sansa, at least as far as we can see. Just having one genuine human connection with someone that took his side and didn’t betray his secret is enough to make this the most important relationship in Sandor’s life, and despite everything against that, he wants to keep it going.

But what is this relationship? Both have trouble putting a name to this thing between them. Sansa is too young, still going about her maturation at her own pace, and not close to being ready to make room romantically for someone like Sandor. For Sandor’s part, there’s added struggles. There’s the issue of class disparity. She outranks him by a country mile, and she’s the betrothed of the king, something that I think overshadows them in their society more than the age issue. Even though there are a mutual interest and secret allyship, they would not call this a friendship. Even the chaste intimacy they have is already crossing boundaries of familiarity. They’re always dancing around it by calling each other anything but their first names. This is simply not a thing that is done, but in each other, they find the needed space to air what they really think and feel. He’s also caught between her and being Lannister servant, the consequences of which will tear him apart.

On an interpersonal level, she frustrates him with her continued insistence on the ideals of the songs being worth sticking to no matter how sideways the world goes. Her demonstrating that idealism in practice forces him to examine his own worldview and inspires gradual changes in him, but also makes him want to double down on his cynicism and prove her wrong. Then there’s also anger at himself for caring about another person at all. Anger at her for making him feel all these strange and complicated things. Anger and self-loathing for that part of him that wants more from her. Anger and self-loathing for not being a better man and protector for her due to his PTSD, his alcohol abuse, his fear and weaknesses, and his inability to express himself in a healthy way.

From a reader’s perspective, Sandor demonstrates the building blocks of romantic love before he can even understand what is driving his actions. He definitely possesses qualities like passion, fidelity, commitment, and a willingness to be vulnerable with her (albeit grudgingly). The relationship is meaningful enough for him to be willing to make sacrifices and take risks for her. He’ll lie to his masters and put himself in harm’s way to protect her. I think that it is fair to say that Sandor is definitely in love with Sansa by the time of the Blackwater if we’re strictly going by those signs; however, offering to protect her and kill anyone that tries to hurt her is as close as Sandor can come to articulating what his feelings are. He misguidedly expresses what he would do for her in violent and negative terms: lying, dying, and killing. It’s the language he is accustomed to and understands best at that point. His emotional immaturity and neediness also have him sometimes being too harsh, impatient, judgemental, and demanding. So, is it really love if Sandor himself doesn’t have good tools for processing his feelings, realizing them as love, and expressing himself in more positive and agreeable ways? Well, that’s up to you. I would say it’s definitely not a healthy love, one that is conducive to a romance that would be good for both of them, not until he’s able to do those things.

Let me get back to the moment that he not only learned Sansa was wed to Tyrion but also that she fled and disappeared. His whole Riverlands journey was centered around his mistake at the Blackwater and him finding a means of getting back in good standing with Sansa. Arya was supposed to be his golden ticket for that until his options started dwindling down.

“Not for long,” said Polliver. “He’s under siege. Old Frey’s going to hang Edmure Tully unless he yields the castle. The only real fighting’s around Raventree. Blackwoods and Brackens. The Brackens are ours now.”

The Hound poured a cup of wine for Arya and another for himself, and drank it down while staring at the hearthfire. “The little bird flew away, did she? Well, bloody good for her. She shit on the Imp’s head and flew off.”

“They’ll find her,” said Polliver. “If it takes half the gold in Casterly Rock.”

“A pretty girl, I hear,” said the Tickler. “Honey sweet.” He smacked his lips and smiled.

“And courteous,“ the Hound agreed. “A proper little lady. Not like her bloody sister.”

He can’t even focus on what Polliver and the Tickler are saying. He’s brooding over another cup of wine and gazing into the fire. While he’s happy she finally escaped, she’s gone, and he’s lost hope of seeing her again. The Sansa-shaped hole in his life has caused him to admire qualities about her that once annoyed him to no end. It’s at his death scene that he expresses how personally responsible he feels for botching his own rescue attempt and abandoning her to (in his eyes) a more horrific fate. The feeling that their separation is now permanent and that he is powerless to do anything about it obliterates the last of Sandor’s pretense and denial. He’s honestly facing how his ego, anger, fear, selfishness, and violence had a destructive effect on the relationship he valued most in the world. It put the person he loved in harm’s way. Sandor can now truly understand what love isn’t and how it all went wrong. It’s the first step.

So I don’t think George was content to let it lie at Sandor simply demonstrating the components of love for the reader’s benefit. It was important enough that the character was put through a crucible in the Riverlands to further process those feelings. And since the Elder Brother is keenly aware of who the auburn-haired maid of three-and-ten is, Sansa was definitely a hot topic of conversation. Maybe (and I think it’s highly likely personally) we’ll next see a rehabilitated Sandor that is better equipped to understand and articulate his emotions, to express himself in healthier, more mature ways, and to express love through selfless and kinder actions.

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