#kinslayings

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

The real tragedy of the kinslayings is that it’s just so fucking stupid. It’s about 3 shiny jewels. And that criticism goes for both sides.

#lord of the rings #lotr #silmarillion #lotr elves #feanor #sons of feanor #kinslayings #elu thingol #mind you i like the feanorians #but i cannot deny the absolute stupidity o the kinslayings #i get it they swore an oath #but why in their right mind would damn themselves over some jewels #ngl it’s peak ‘i lived a sheltered life’ behavior in a sense #bc they genuinely thouht it could not go wrong #and elu and his descendants! #bro why are ya’ll so obsessed with a jewel you didn’t even create to the point you were willing to risk an inevitable massacre over it?.

[stilltrails]

I also wonder just what the other Noldor thought of the Kinslayings? We know Fingon and Turgon participated (or at least Fingon) in one, and Turgon participated in his own lil’ kinslaying by throwing Eol off a cliff and threatening to do the same to Maeglin, who was innocent at the time...

We know Aredhel loved the Sons of Feanor even after Celegorm tried to force himself on Luthien. And when the Feanorians destroyed Doriath, there was no pushback from the existing Noldor groups, like at all. 

When Sirion was destroyed, Idril who would have known exactly who the Feanorians were and what Elwing wearing the Silmaril meant, did not advise her against wearing it and left her alone. She also didn’t petition against her cousins, or seek early aid from Lindon. She left Elwing in knowingly a vulnerable position, when she was directly related to the people responsible for the kinslayings. 

Lindon never actually made an enemy of Maglor or Maedhros, knowing they took Elrond and Elros and never brought them forth to pay for their crimes. A normal kingdom would have had them both arrested and tried for what they did, but Lindon just took Elrond and Elros and left. 

They were punished by the the Valar (hallowing of the silmarils, Eonwe’s long ass speech

Noldor groups in Middle Earth during the kinslayings just didn’t seem to care all that much, unless they were related to the Teleri, like Galadriel. But Noldor groups neither reprimanded the Feanorians or offered aid to them. Lindon tried to, but was slow (and Lindon is not fully Noldor). 

I’m not saying the Noldor didn’t care, but I wonder if their views on the Sindar had anything to do with it. 

I say this because Eol spoke to Turgon in front of an entire kingdom about how the Noldor had stolen Teleri land and killed his people. Turgon humiliated him for that. And Idril was sitting right there. Idril leaves Elwing in perhaps the most vulnerable position and offers no advice or stands on her daughter-in-law’s behalf against the impending doom. Earendil leaves to find his parents, successfully evading the kinslayings (sounds like a set up but okay). Maedhros laughs at Thingol. And Aredhel still hangs out with Celegorm and Curufin despite how badly Celegorm treated a princess of Doriath, as if it does not matter who she is. 

The Noldor elves left Valinor hanging onto Feanor’s words. They left for the same reasons he did, and understood just how fucked up it was that the Valar let one of their own kill their king AND steal the Silmarils. I’m not saying the Noldor are excusing the kinslayings, but I also think the Noldor have all agreed to stay out of the way when they happen, even if it means death of innocent people. 

I think they would do anything to see the Silmaril in the hands of the Noldor because the Silmarils are and have always been a Noldor sign of resistance against an oppressive structure, and damn anyone who does try to take it from them. 

#feanorians #sirion #gondolin #the silmarillion #kinslayings

[saurons-rings]

Feanor: Everyone is fighting a battle you don’t know about, be kind

Fingolfin: You literally invented kinslayings

Feanor: And?? That was my battle, be nicer

#feanor #feanaro #curufinwe #kinslayings #fingolfin #nolofinwe #fingolfin: wtf??? #the silmarillion #the silm fandom #house of finwe

[thepinkseat-askthemoonbunny]

Ranni simps 🤝 Fëanorian fans

“You fucked all the shit up. But it was awesome.”

#ranni #ranni the witch #elden ring #meme #mulan #the emperor #mulan meme #mulan 1998 #night of the black knives #the shattering #silmarillion #feanorians #kinslayings #sons of feanor #tolkien #jrr tolkien #the silmarillion

[softlysilverfountainsfall]

Aragornsrockcollection's recent post about Maglor knowing the kinslayings/murders are wrong but doing them anyway begs the question of why.

Is it cowardice? Not cowardice in battle or against the enemy, Maglor clearly has the courage for that, but is he too much a coward to go against his family, the oath, the weight of his father, his brothers? If so, again, why? Is family loyalty so important to him? Is he just used to bowing to strong personalities? It he actually, genuinely, deeply afraid of the consequences of the oath or of his family?

Does he really want the Silmaril back that much?

Is he just too deep in the sunk cost fallacy? Actually, this one is probably demonstrably false, at least by the end of the War of Wrath, given that he tells Maedhros "but less evil shall we do in the breaking" (and even after this he kills the guards in the Valinorian army's camp).

Does he temporarily convince himself of---something---just long enough to get through the battle and then feel bad? That it's justified, that if he participates he could hold back his brothers/followers from the worst (if he thought that he was definitely wrong, see the second and third kinslayings).

Is Maglor, the strong-voiced, the great minstrel, the composer of the Noldolante, just too deep in his own guilt, his own tragedy, his own Doom to look up and realize that he can stop?

Does he (even unconsciously, especially unconsciously) think less of the people they're attacking; they're the other, they're not his family and he and his family are so much more important than other people's lives? What about when his family and people keep dying during the kinslayings too?

Is it something else? I don't know! What could he have told himself to justify something that he knew was wrong? (If we all knew the answer to that for our choices, the world would probably be a better place.)

#the silmarillion #maglor #I really don't have an answer here but I think the speculation is interesting #oath of feanor #kinslayings #noldolante #both quotes are from of the voyage of earendil and the war of wrath chapter of the silm #softlysilver

[myceliumelium]

I shudder to imagine what was going through Maedhros's head in the aftermath of Sirion. Nothing good, that's for sure. Anyway, a note on character design, (It's his hair, of course it's his hair, I have no self control) when i draw him, his hair is a strong indicator of his mental state. At this point, he's so far gone that he doesn't even give enough of a shit to cut it short any more (which I hc as an act of reclaiming in the wake of angband, controlling one of the very few things he still can about his appearance.) P.S. I spent way too long on this to tolerate tumblr quality, so please click on it and take a closer look!

#maedhros #silmarillion #third kinslaying #Sack of sirion #Elwing is the gull in the distance #art #tolkein #feanorians

[francy-sketches]

so funny to me when asoiaf fans treat usurpation as a horrible crime. brother I could not give less of a shit all monarchs are usurpers as far as I'm concerned

#.txt #same with oathbreaking who gaf #'you cant like this character they're an oathbreaking kinslaying usurper!!!!' im so sorry I didnt realize you lived in westeros stay safe 🙏

[thranduilofsmirkwood]

#fëanor #manwë #valinor #mandros #ecthelion the fountain boi #glorfindel #fingolfin #silm #silmarils #celegorm #curufin #caranthir #maedhros #kinslaying #Silmarillion memes #oldies but goodies #teleporno #menegroth

[maironsmaid]

I think Maglor should have seen Dior killing Curufin (and / or Celegorm) and then do like Achilles with Hector. Tie his corpse to his horse and drag it through the halls of Menegroth

#it's a rubber #silmarillion #elves #noldor #maglor #cw death #doriath #kinslaying

[helio-phobe]

Kinslayer.

+detail

#maedhros #my stuff #the silmarillion #tolkien #first age #third kinslaying #tolkien elves

[silvantransthranduiltrash]

Crack au where miriel is watching her son/grandsons from the halls of mandos, and she’s just shouting whenever there’s a kinslaying to “go for the stuckup bitch in the green thread” or “that ass that said my body was weak to die when i was giving birth” the same way we would scream at the tv during sports or baking competitions.

Miriel, greeting the asshats that she knew when she was alive once they arrived in valinor: round 2 bitch

#lord of the rings #lotr #silmarillion #lotr elves #miriel #miriel is feral #miriel therinde #kinslayings #silm incorrect quotes #incorrect tolkien quotes

[bioluminescent-fungus]

if you could send one (1) elf who died in the First Age to Rivendell shortly before the War of the Ring, who would you choose?

rules:

they'll get sent forward at the moment of their death (there's a corpse left behind)

they are still injured and will need medical attention

they aren't told anything and they don't have any additional knowledge, just what they knew when they died

#I think Findekáno would cause delightful amounts of chaos as Elrond catches him up #Previously On Arda: the Fëanarions did two more kinslayings; kidnapped two Peredhil and raised them; the continent sunk; #has someone made a parody of “we didn't start the fire” yet (although they very much did start the fire)

[elspethdixon]

Tumblr: My fave Silm characters totally smoke weed.

You fool. No they don’t. Put away the stoner jokes and use your critical thinking skills for five seconds.

The Noldor do not and would never smoke weed. Thranduil smokes weed because he’s a chill party guy who likes to get fucked up. The Noldor are type A aggressive control freaks.

The Noldor do coke.

#Why zone out on weed when you could be increasing your bling-forging productivity tenfold via the magic of amphetamines? #Just think how many extra kinslayings you could commit if you did twelve lines and never slept again #tw: drugs

[imakemywings]

I do love Celebrimbor takes where post-death/rebirth he actually has very little to say to his family until they show some signs of remorse or personal growth from the atrocities they committed in Middle-earth.

#let him be angry!! #he left for a reason!! #and I don't think he wants comfort from a guy (MAEDHROS) who slaughtered an entire culture and killed and kidnapped children #if he's going to anyone for comfort it's cousins and other extended family #he left Curufin and Celegorm before the Second Kinslaying was even on the horizon because he couldn't defend them anymore #I cannot IMAGINE the horror of learning from a distance of the things they did after that #I honestly cannot imagine he is very interested in having a relationship with his father/uncles after this #at least not without some SERIOUS repenting on their parts #rambling #celebrimbor

[softlysilverfountainsfall]

For all the talk about the Feanorians trying to get the silmarils, and various strategies they did or didn't try, and the horror of the kinslayings and all the discussion around that with regards to the silmarils--

It loses sight of the fact that the Feanorians came to Beleriand in the first place to, yes, get the silmarils, but just as importantly* to fight Morgoth and avenge Finwe.

Feanor is utterly devastated by his father's death, so are his sons, so are the rest of the family, and so are all the Noldor. The Feanorians fight in the first kinslaying, the Dagor-nuin-giliath, the Dagor Aglareb, and the Dagor Bragollach without the direct motivation of the silmarils

(i.e. winning those battles wouldn't get them the silmarils immediately and they knew it beforehand. (The Teleri didn't have them, and the other battles are for control of land outside of Angband, while the silmarils are inside.))

I think that part of the reason people focus on the silmarils as the goal is because the Feanorians lose sight of honor/pursuing their true enemy and focus more on the silmarils later in the story, partly with the Nirnaeth Arnoediad (1/3 self-preservation: attack them before they attack us again, 1/3 fight Morgoth, and 1/3 hey maybe we can get two silmarils), and definitely afterward with the kinslayings, when the Feanorians put their oath and regaining the Silmaril above fighting Morgoth and are even indirectly helping him by killing other elves.

But my point stands: at least at the beginning, fighting Morgoth is the Feanorians' goal, not just regaining the silmarils. They wouldn't ever (in the first part) just sneak into Angband a la Beren and Luthien to steal the silmarils (aside from it being insane) because they don't just want the silmarils, they want to kill Morgoth or at least get as close as possible to killing Morgoth. (Come on. They're Feanorians. They take "killing a Vala is impossible" as a challenge.)

(*to be fair you could debate this since the oath focuses on the silmarils and not at all on Finwe, but also no, because "Then Feanor ran from the Ring of Doom, and fled into the night; for his father was dearer to him than the Light of Valinor or the peerless works of his hands..." (emphasis mine, Of the Flight of the Noldor, The Silmarillion). You could continue to argue that this is a biased narrator with the frame narrative structure, but this line still says a lot; and at the time of the swearing of the oath Morgoth was the only target.)

#the silmarillion #feanor #feanorians #sons of feanor #oath of feanor #beleriand #kinslayings #silmarils #finwe #softlysilver

[myceliumelium]

I'M DOING THE THING!

I've always wanted to make lil comic things but I've never felt that I had the patience and skill, but here we are! not quite done part 2 but I'm just too excited! Anyway, I cannot stand permanently sad endings in my headcannons and RPs so guess who got reimbodied À La Glorfindel after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad?

#Fingon deserves it ok? #I know he did a kinslaying #but shhhhh #Fingon #Maedhros #Russingon #maedhros x fingon #post Nirnaeth #silmarillion #art #jrr tolkien