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geezerwench · 8 months
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Ethan Crumbley trial: The shooter who was 15 when he killed 4 Michigan students, could spend the rest of his life behind bars, judge rules | CNN
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The feces doesn’t fall far from the anus.
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THIS IS CURRENT, BREAKING NEWS
Residents and students in East Lansing are urged to shelter in place Monday night following two shootings at Michigan State University.
According to school officials, shots were fired near Berkey Hall on East Lansing Campus just after 8:15 p.m. A second shooting was reported at IM East.
Community members, both on and off campus, are advised to shelter in place immediately.
“Run, Hide, Fight. Run means evacuate away from danger if you can do so safely, hide means to secure-in-place, and fight means to protect yourself if no other option,” the school wrote in an alert.
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themurdererblog · 2 years
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Dedrick Owens, became the youngest school shooter in 2000.
Country: United States, in Michigan.
Years active: 2000
Victim Count: 1
Punishment: Expelled from school, sent to live with a family member.
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eightyonekilograms · 4 months
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Based on the evidence, I think the shooting was pretty foreseeable and the parents really fucked up here, but this nonetheless is setting up a ghastly incentive gradient. If you can be criminally liable for your child's crimes committed due to mental health problems, any rational actor will respond by dramatically ramping up surveillance of and control over their kids, to say nothing of the apparent requirement for forced psychiatric care. Everyone should cross their fingers that this gets reversed on appeal.
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serialunaliver · 4 months
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My response to this post about the possibility of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley's mom being charged with involuntary manslaughter I was tagged in (putting it in a separate post because I don't feel like starting shit with anyone):
The case here being used is unique to other shootings. Typically mental illness is not actually the primary deciding factor for violence. Media coverage of school shootings has caused more school shootings than mental illness. A large amount of school shooters were inspired by the ideology of other school shooters. If Columbine wasn't treated the way it was I have no doubt there would've been less shootings.
When it comes to negligence involving mental health I don't actually see a big increase in surveillance or institutionalization as some are claiming though. The fact is parents can already use mental health as an excuse to force their kids into abusive 'treatment' with no consequence. It happens in every psych ward. It's also already used in legal cases as well, that happened to me and it did in fact lead to being forced into harmful treatment, so really the precedent and incentive is already there for those who choose it in my opinion. Meanwhile there's the opposite case where parents would rather their kid cause destruction than admit any mental health issue exists regardless of consequence. Logic is thrown out the window for the most part.
Now the defense of Ethan's mom is claiming he is a manipulator and not mentally ill. While anyone who follows me knows I despise the mental health argument about school shootings, it's quite clear this kid's actions prior to the shooting were at the very least a cry for help. He didn't try to make this secretive and even drew pictures of it. If his parents didn't care about this, it's possible he's neglected in some way at home, which can actually lead to antisocial behavior and acts of violence or threats of them, because, well, one would assume your parents would finally give a fuck about your well-being in that case. I'm diagnosed with a cluster B personality disorder partially due to "manipulative behavior" in the past which seemed horrible and illogical but was literally the only way I thought anyone would know I was hurting. Obviously I don't know if this is what's actually going on in Ethan's case, but what everyone can agree on is the parents' response to all this was not normal or acceptable and doesn't exactly paint an image of a well-adjusted family. And I do wonder if the "manipulator" argument comes from the (most common) perception that anyone with this behavior was just born evil.
ANYWAY, here are some articles/resources on common causes of school shootings and how media coverage and environment impact them, both to spread awareness and to point out that you should not in fact paint anyone as born evil or a future shooter just for certain issues.
• Bullies, black trench coats: Columbine’s most dangerous myths
• Violence has grown since California's incel shooting
• Who is most likely to get bullied at school?
• School shootings and student mental health (Includes more detailed statistics but some are misleading - the one on bullying is based on public perception of shootings, not actual cases, and the one on violent video games has no real correlation. Let this be a reminder to research your own sources!)
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bfpnola · 9 months
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Fifty years ago, 15-year-old Sonia Yaco ran for the school board in Ann Arbor, Michigan, one of the youngest people in the country ever to run for a seat on the Board of Education. A member of a group called Youth Liberation, whose platform was founded in 1970, she believed schools would be best run by the people required to be inside them for about seven hours a day, 180 days a year.
Youth Liberation developed a 15-point platform that was far-reaching in its vision. In addition to calling for an end to sexism, sexual discrimination, class antagonism, racism, colonialism, and what they called “adult chauvinism,” the group wanted to form communities outside the structure of the nuclear family, live in harmony with nature, abolish juvenile detention centers and mental institutions, establish global solidarity with youth all over the world, be free of economic dependence on adults, and have the right to their own “new culture,” which included everything “from music and marijuana to free clinics and food cooperatives.”
The 20 or so young people in the group, ranging in age from 12 to 16, wanted “a nationwide movement for youth civil rights, akin to the Black Liberation movement and the growing women's movement,” one of the founders, Keith Hefner, later wrote.
Backed by the radical socialist Human Rights Party, Yaco tells Teen Vogue she delivered stump speeches in a hand-sewn, black ruffled skirt and a black leather jacket. At the time, Ann Arbor, birthplace of the Students for a Democratic Society, was a political hotbed. Youth-led organizations had helped rally support for the 26th Amendment, which was ratified in 1971, lowering the voting age from 21 to 18. With popular books like Children’s Liberation (1973), Escape from Childhood (1974), and The Children’s Rights Movement: Overcoming the Oppression of Young People (1977), the idea of youth liberation was gaining force. Youth Liberation of Ann Arbor distributed their message through an underground newspaper, which was a collection of news items, how-tos, and stories from youth all over the country. Yaco informed her parents that, given her political commitments, having a curfew wasn’t going to work, though she did still do the dishes. She talked to PTA forums and rock concerts of thousands, all with the message of youth empowerment. Each time she arrived to speak, she remembers, there was the question of whether or not she would be allowed on stage. She tells Teen Vogue that a school board member once told her to “shut [her] fat lip.” At another event, she says she encountered labor and civil rights activist Cesar Chavez, who told her, “I’ve been hearing about you.” The resistance against her candidacy was so great that the Board of Education prohibited Yaco from running, instigating a Supreme Court case which she ultimately lost. Still, with 1,363 votes, Yaco says she got the highest number of write-in votes ever received.
When we think of ageism, it commonly refers to older adults, not the other way around. Though many don’t tend to think of young people as oppressed, a recent study published in the Children and Youth Services Review argues that young people are, in many ways, similarly vulnerable to exploitation. Though young people under 18 can be tried in adult court, they are generally not allowed to vote or hold federal office. They are surveilled and policed in schools, medicated and institutionalized without consent, and paid less for their work. In some states, they cannot get vaccinated without parental permission. Many of these issues are particularly acute for youth of color — some as young as preschoolers — whom research has shown are viewed as older and not as “innocent” as their white counterparts. “You're actively teaching children how to deal with an active shooter, but you can't let them have a say in budgeting, you can't let them discuss curriculum,” says Yaco. While rhetoric about the need to “save the children” is rampant, much public policy in the United States — from the struggling childcare system to gun violence in schools — reveals otherwise. The U.S. is the only country in the United Nations that hasn't ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child, a historic human rights treaty.
The same justifications historically used to deny other groups their basic freedoms are still applied to youth, explains scholar Mich Ciurria. “The popular narrative about children — as spoiled, ungrateful, and mentally ill — mirrors the popular narratives about 1960s housewives, Black working mothers, and disabled people,” she wrote in a recent essay. To be “childish,” after all, is a derogatory term. As psychologist Robert Epstein argues in an article for Scientific American, what is commonly chalked up to an innate “irresponsibility” or “laziness” — the idea of the unformed teen brain — may simply be a response to living under the repressions of modern society. A 1991 study reviewing research on young people in 186 preindustrial societies — more than half of which had no word for “adolescence” — revealed little evidence of the kind of antisocial teen behavior found in the West, according to Epstein’s summary. In his research for the piece, Epstein found that, based on surveys he conducted, “teens in the U.S. are subjected to more than 10 times as many restrictions as are mainstream adults, twice as many restrictions as active-duty U.S. Marines, and even twice as many restrictions as incarcerated felons.” Young people have long been at the forefront of liberation struggles. Youth played a big part in the Civil Rights movement, which would inspire other movements that followed. In 1955, nine months before Rosa Parks became famous for refusing to give up her seat on a Montgomery, Alabama bus, a 15-year-old named Claudette Colvin was arrested for the same action. Galvanized by the Civil Rights movement, the National Indian Youth Council, formed by a group of young people in 1961, organized “fish-ins'' in support of land-use rights. The 1963 Birmingham Children’s Crusade saw more than a thousand young people, some as young as seven, attacked and jailed after taking to the streets in peaceful protest. In 1972, the Gay International Youth Society of George Washington High School, a group of students of color in the Manhattan neighborhood of Washington Heights, formed one of the first gay-straight alliances on the basis of student civil rights.
By 1979, Youth Liberation of Ann Arbor had disbanded, and the idea of youth liberation gradually faded from popular consciousness, but activists today are still organizing around age as one form of discrimination in a larger system of interlocking oppressions. For Margin Zheng, the former president of the National Youth Rights Association (NYRA), a group founded in 1998, youth liberation is deeply intersectional. “Young people are BIPOC, young people are queer, young people are of various genders and of no gender, young people are disabled, young people are poor, young people are immigrants and migrants — just like older people,” they write as part of their principles of anti-ageism. Zheng, the child of conservative Chinese immigrants, felt constrained both by their family life and their experience in school. “I secretly longed to be homeschooled and have the freedom to do my own thing, but my parents did not believe in nontraditional education,” they tell Teen Vogue. They attended their first school board meeting in ninth grade and soon began to question why students didn’t have more of a voice. “People think that they can make sweeping generalizations about people of a certain age, but you can’t generalize about youth just as you can’t generalize about people of a certain race, gender, etc.,” they say. Ashawn Dabney-Small, who ran for Boston City Council as an 18-year-old and former vice president of NYRA, became involved in youth activism to address the issues that affected him. “It's not about advocating, it's about speaking from your experiences,” says Dabney-Small, who has experience with the foster care system and the effects of poverty. “That's why I got involved in certain issues, policies that revolve around my life because it's literally my life.” As an activist, Dabney-Small worked on campaigns against gun violence. Recently, he advocated for Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley’s bill to lower the federal voting age to 16 — a move that could revolutionize American politics. “Schools and families are the places where we (young people) begin to feel that we have to struggle for our freedom,” Youth Liberation Acnn Arbor wrote in 1972. (One of the indirect results of Yaco’s campaign was the founding of the alternative Community High School that same year.)
Indeed, many activists today — in movements from unschooling to family abolition — see the institutions of school and family as structures that should be radically reimagined. From Indian Boarding Schools to the school-to-prison pipeline, unpaid domestic labor to assaults on queer chosen families, critics say schools and certain family structures have long been used as tools of oppression for women, queer people, and people of color. In a utopian world, Zheng says, people wouldn’t be judged and set apart by age. Instead, they envision more intergenerational spaces where younger and older people — of all races, genders, sexualities, and abilities — can learn and grow together. “Just as young people would be empowered to cultivate and apply their strengths to work they find meaningful, older people would be embraced in their own personal growth, knowing that learning and unlearning are processes that happen all throughout the lifespan,” they say. Each person would be recognized for their own unique potential. The vision is not unlike the original platform outlined by Youth Liberation more than 50 years ago. As Zheng says, “There would be no prisons, no police, and no schools, only communities of lifelong learning, caring, and joy.”
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kittyit · 4 months
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variety of sources linked for discussion
women, what are we thinking about this case? open discussion
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follow-up-news · 2 months
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The convicted father of the Oxford High School shooter said in jailhouse phone calls that he wanted to ruin the prosecutor in the case against him and that she would be going to hell soon, sources confirmed. James Crumbley made the comments to his sister while his case was pending, the sources close to the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office confirmed. The new details were first reported Monday by the Detroit Free Press. A Michigan jury last week found Crumbley guilty on four counts of involuntary manslaughter for the shooting his son carried out, killing four classmates.
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valenshawke · 3 months
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Law & Order, Season 23, episode 5: "Last Dance"
Blah, blah, blah, rich tech mogul commits murder to cover-up that he's a sexual predator. Variation on a tried-and-true story that the show has used since time immemorial.
But they had to make it more complicated to write Jack McCoy off the show.
@albatrossisland and @monidon, this one's for you.
In Seasons 18 and 19, you had Governor Donald Shalvoy and he was very clearly a fictionalized version of former NY Governor Eliot Spitzer. I guess they didn't want to anger the current NYC Mayor, Eric Adams, by having a fictionalized version of him being corrupt. But in the era of #MeToo where formerly untouchable powerful men (for decades) got away with all sorts of sexually predatory actions, it strains credulity that someone would not simply cut their losses and distance himself from the suspect. But you need an antagonist, right?
I'm often not a fan of the criticism that something is contrived. A story is a story and the actions a character takes are written to lead to a certain point. Everything is contrived in fiction. It's how well you do it.
Since the show came back, the writers show they simply cannot do it well. Everything has gotta be a twist, curve-ball, or an absurd social commentary (and I'm saying that about a show that did social commentary since episode ONE). If anyone is wondering where my gripe is on that last one, it goes back to my bone to pick with Nolan "Spineless Coward" Price giving IMMUNITY to a SCHOOL SHOOTER so he could PROSECUTE THE FATHER for the shooting.
Now, do I believe (in certain cases) parents should be held responsible for the actions of their children in this case? Absolutely. The Ethan Crumbley case in Michigan is a perfect example! There NOT definite warnings signs: There were FUCKING FIVE-ALARM BELLS and red flags the size of football fields that something was seriously wrong with the kid and he needed help, not for his mother to buy him a fucking gun. Parents were charged without any immunity. I still hold that against the writers.
Rick Eid's run as show-runner has demonstrated a clear lack of knowledge of character history on the show (Jack in particular), a lack of even the loosest understanding of the law works in the show's universe, and a desperate need for actual lawyers as consultants or on the writing staff.
I'm also convinced that writers hate Hugh Dancy. The guy has acting chops, he was wonderful in HANNIBAL. But like… refer to my earlier description of Nolan Price.
Which brings us to Jack's sendoff and the overall story.
Mayor Payne? Yeah, that's certainly subtle.
I often think back to how Jack (and Mike Cutter) fought back against the GOVERNOR and they can't handle the freaking mayor? Writers, what the fuck?
I guess where the writers got something right was Jack believes in justice for the victim, regardless of who you are. And they gave Jack one last courtroom battle. And, on one hand, it is fitting. They wanted Jack to go out in a figurative blaze of glory. He was alone in the court, no second chair. I do wonder if he thought about all the second chairs he's had and how they helped him along the way (I am getting weirdly emotional writing this). And despite the fact he got burned, he managed to burn his enemies on the way out.
But this isn't the end I wanted.
Sometimes, a low-key ending is suitable for a character who worked (by my own calculation) 50-plus years in the DA's office (perhaps closer to 60 years). Who tried some significant cases, contributed to case-law that the show SHOULD HAVE REFERENCED, mentored each of his second chairs after Claire and Jamie. Mentored Mike Cutter.
Jack simply deciding just to retire and not run for re-election and spend the rest of his days fixing his relationship with his daughter, spend time with his grandson, write a book, maybe be a talking-head on legal shows (no, I can't see that), fine. But I wish they could have convinced Sam Waterston to finish out the season, maybe recording something so they show a goodbye party or SOMETHING to start next season, and then have the newly-elected DA introduced. That would have been more satisfying.
As for everything else about this episode. Couldn't the writers, I don't know, research and clarify their own damn show?
Ben Stone
Jack McCoy
Mike Cutter
All Executive Assistant District Attorneys. I know there was some debate on whether or not Nolan Price was actually an EADA. But now he's Deputy District Attorney? What? Writers, there are other EADAs in the DA's office. I realize that the writers have always played fast-and-loose on the hierarchy of the fictional DAs office. SVU had Chief Assistant District Attorney Charlie Philips who spoke of "assigning" a case to Jack McCoy, which I always took more as a administrative role versus a trial role, which put him above Jack in whatever hierarchy worked in the show.
But there were times it very much seemed like Jack WAS the next person in charge if the DA was unavailable until his own appointment.
And then you have the board shown in Season 21 where it seems they had dug it out of storage since it still hate Mike and Connie listed, with Mike being "Chief Assistant District Attorney" before they changed it to "Nolan Price" by the next episode.
I've always been frustrated with the sloppiness of the writing since the show came back and this just adds to the pile.
"It's been a hell of a ride."
It has. I started this show in September of 1998 and even in the periods I didn't watch it too much, there was some comfort that Jack was always there. And I delayed watching this because I just couldn't accept the end.
And now I have.
Memories of days gone by.
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Mass shooter and proud member of the NRA’s “well regulated militia.” Republican endorsed killings.
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soberscientistlife · 6 months
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PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) — A teenager was sentenced to life in prison Friday for killing four students, wounding more and terrorizing Michigan’s Oxford High School in 2021.
A judge rejected pleas for a shorter sentence and ensured that Ethan Crumbley, 17, will not get an opportunity for parole.
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Please pray for the students at Michigan State University; there’s 4 active shooters there currently. At least 2 students are confirmed dead, 11 others injured.
And please especially pray for my best friend J from high school, who goes to MSU
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serialunaliver · 4 months
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did you see that case in michigan where the mother of a school shooter was convicted of manslaughter
i've heard of it in the news but not read details, i'm guessing it's the case with the 6 year old?
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mittenwonders · 1 month
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I wanted to do a quick overview of the Oxford High school shooting case in Michigan and why the parents being charged is monumental.
First, I’m glad that it is showing it can be done and should be done but I also want people to know this was a very unique case. I’m not sure what has been shown or written about at the national or international level at all in terms of detail within the media so I wanted to take a moment to do that here from someone who lives not too far from that area and is part of the local news circuit. It’s a spark note version but I’ll do my best.
Ethan Crumbley was the shooter in the case. What happened was awful and tragic and it should never have gotten to this point. However, he has completely owned up to his part and plead guilty immediately. I know this might not be what everyone feels or should feel/think, but personally I feel sorry for the kid. You see, he was a good kid. I know every news story starts that way and it sounds cliche but he truly was. He had friends, he did well in school and cared about his community at one point. He was the head of a backpack school drive he started on his own one year collecting supplies for underprivileged students. Doesn’t sound like a shooter right? About 3 years before, he started experiencing mental health issues. His half brother lived with them at the time and even noted there was a sudden change in him. Behavioral issues, emotional issues and mood swings that seemed to come out of no where. It wasn’t like him at all and the brother brought it up to the dad out of concern. The dad told him to mind his damn business. Dad of the year award!
Idk the specifics but the step mom was not liked and a real bitch. I think everyone could see this during the trial itself. Whatever happened, the half brother ended up moving to Florida to live with his mom permanently. He felt guilty leaving his brother behind alone in the house with them. When the brother left, Ethan no longer had an advocate or someone looking out for him. For a year before this shooting, he begged his parents for help saying he didn’t feel like himself and was having dark thoughts. Instead of helping their son, they instead bought him a gun for his birthday thinking he could just get rid of his problems that way. One of the main evidence items for both parent’s trials was Ethan’s diary. It’s heartbreaking hearing and seeing what this teenager was going through and not being able to figure it out. He talked about hearing voices constantly. While I’m not sure if he’s been publicly diagnosed with anything, I think it’s a fun fact to know and point out that schizophrenia usually does not become apparent or diagnosed until the later teen years or early adulthood. When it does come, it happens overnight and is an upheaval to one’s life and their family. But with the right help and treatment early on, an individual with this disorder or any mental health disorder can live a very successful, rather normal life.
Unfortunately Ethan did not have the support or help he desperately needed. Now maybe he should have went to a school counselor….but honestly what teen willingly opens up to strangers when they don’t even know what’s going on in their own head. Teens are still kids and developing and learning. I know when I was a teen suffering from major depressive disorder, I didn’t know how to handle my own strong emotions or feelings let alone explain it to someone else. The moment you are rejected by a parent, the person who is supposed to love you unconditionally, you reject help from any other outside source & feel you must journey it alone because if your own parent doesn’t care, who will? The other thing that is a big mystery is why the school counselor never got involved by the school themselves. It was noted by teachers his mood swings and they found disturbing doodles in his folders, notebooks and notes. This is what lead to the parents being called in that fateful day anyway. At this point, a school counselor should have been brought in before this meeting to see what was going on in case child protective services needed to be called and intervene. The parents meant with (I believe) the principal and the teacher that discovered the doodles. They advised on therapy/counseling and to take him home for at least the day. The parents refused saying he could stay and finish the day and they had stuff to do. Per Michigan law, a school cannot dismiss a child without a parent present. Once the parents refused to take him, they had to keep him in school by law (this is a whole new lawsuit being hurled at the school currently). So they left Ethan at school and hours later, he pulled the handgun out of his backpack….the same backpack that had been sitting with them all in that office talking that morning…and killed 4 students and injured multiple others.
The mom had been having an affair and that is why she would not take him home as she was off sneaking with her secret boyfriend that morning. The boyfriend ended up testifying in court against her. See, the case is unique as when Ethan was arrested and brought in for questioning, the first thing he begged for was help. You can pretty much tell when someone is lying or faking the insanity card but in this case, it was very very genuine. He spilled the beans pretty hard on his family life straight away and that he begged for them to help him. As the investigation dug into the family over the next couple days, they did in fact find records and signs that yes, this was indeed a case of child neglect and a case of mental health gone wrong.
THAT is solely the reason the parents were immediately issued warrants for their arrest to be prosecuted along with their son. They knew it was a possibility and tried to run. They were found in an abandoned building in Detroit hiding which is about 30 minutes away from the Oxford area.
One of the things that I thought was moving was that when the families were able to make their victim impact speeches, they never once put blame on Ethan. Like I said, that diary that he kept for years was fool proof evidence of what was happening in that house and what that kid lived through causing him to snap. All of this along with text messages that were retrieved and family/classmate testimonies. He was asked to come in and testify on each parent’s behalf during their separate trials and Ethan refused each time. The kid wants absolutely nothing to do with his parents. It wasn’t right what he did by any means and he’s serving life for it as he should, but I did love that each family put the sole blame on the parents. One mom saying that they loved their daughter but it was extremely clear that the Crumbley’s did not love their son.
If more cases like this happen in the future, which I pray to God it does not, it does set a precedent for future mental health scenarios. While there is room to prosecute a parent for failure to lock up fire arms or even gifting them a firearm, I don’t see another case quite like this one happening again where it came down to neglect all around. The parents cannot speak to each other in any form and are not allowed to contact their son or the victim’s families. When I tell you these are the pure evil and horseshit of human beings, I truly mean it.
I also think it needs to open the door to more open conversations around mental health and stricter gun reform. While we’ve come a long way as far as the stigma goes, we have so much further to go. Mental healthcare is still a luxury by today’s standards. Not every insurance company (if you’re lucky to even have insurance) covers therapy or counseling. Many sessions are extremely expensive nonetheless any medications one may have to be on for help. To me, if we can treat someone’s heart or lungs or even a broken bone, we should be able to also treat our most precious organ - the brain. After all, in order to be considered legally dead, one must be deemed brain dead. Mental health disorders are simply neurons and chemical reactions misfiring in the brain which can be caused by genetics or environmental (head injury, poor nutrition, or toxins) factors or both within the amygdala. The science proves it’s real and can be treated so why is it still such a fight and a taboo topic? Let’s end the stigma and help those who really need it!!
If you notice someone struggling, please help them even if it’s lending a listening ear. And if you’re struggling with thoughts of depression or dark thoughts that may harm others, please seek professional help or call 911 or 988. You can even text 988 or chat with someone online who will help you during a crisis.
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