Lies Jin Guangyao Tells (and Where They Are Debunked)
1) (on Qin Su questioning whether Jin Guangyao knew they were siblings) Jin GuangYao replied with certainty, “None of this is true. All of these are lies. This is complete nonsense, words of false charges.” (exr)
Debunked:
Tears streamed down Bi Cabo’s face as she continued, “LianFang-Zun Jin GuangYao and our Maiden Su aren’t husband and wife at all. They are brother and sister......”...
...”Jin GuangShan couldn’t remember whose daughter Young Madam Su was, but my Madam could never forget. She didn’t dare to confront Jin GuangShan directly and knew that the Young Madam truly loved Jin GuangYao. After struggling for a long time, she still decided to go find Jin GuangYao in secret before the wedding so she could tell him the truth and plead for him to think of some ways to lift the engagement and avoid this atrocity. Little had she expected, Jin GuangYao would still marry her even after knowing that she was his sister!”
–Chapt. 86: “Core” Part 8, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
Lan XiChen shook his head and continued. “Secondly, your...... wife......” He paused, as if finding the word wrong before correcting himself, “Your sister, Qin Su. Did you really marry her despite already knowing your true relationship?”
Jin GuangYao stared at him blankly. Suddenly, tears streamed down his face.
He answered in a voice full of anguish. “......Yes.”
–Chapt. 106: “A Hatred For Life” Part 9, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
2) (on Jin Rusong’s death) Jin GuangYao was startled, “A-Song? Why are you asking me this? Haven’t you known of this since a long time ago? A- Song was killed. I’ve already destroyed the one who killed him in revenge. Why are you mentioning him, all of a sudden?” (exr)
Debunked:
Jin GuangYao, “I’m speaking the truth. I’ve always remembered that you have never said anything about my background or my mother. I’m grateful for you until the end of my life, and I want to respect you, cherish you, love you. But, you have to know that even if A-Song hadn’t been killed, he had to die. He could only die. If we let him grow up, you and I...”
–Chapter 47: Guile, exr
Jin GuangYao said, “Er-ge, listen to me. I won’t deny doing any of those things......”
Lan XiChen interrupted him, “How could you deny them? The witnesses and evidence are all here!”
Jin GuangYao continued, “Which is why I said I won’t deny them! But would I ever kill my father, my wife, my son and my brother if I had any other alternative left? Am I really such a madman in your eyes?!”
–Chapt. 106: “A Hatred For Life” Part 9, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
Jin GuangYao saw through the worries in his eyes instantly, and became so enraged that he actually started to laugh, “Lan XiChen! All my life, I’ve lied to countless people and have destroyed countless more. Just as you’ve said, murdering my father, my brother, my wife, my son, my master, my friends—There’s not a single sin left in this world that I haven’t committed!”
—Chapt. 108: "Concealment" Part 2, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
3) (on Qin Su’s apparent suicide) Amid the chatters of the crowd, Jin GuangYao lay down Qin Su’s corpse and slowly stood up. One hand on the hilt of Hensheng, he walked a step closer to Wei WuXian, “I won’t bring up anything from the past, but please explain in all honesty. A-Su’s bizarre death—are you involved in this at all?” (exr)
Debunked:
Jin GuangYao said, “Er-ge, listen to me. I won’t deny doing any of those things......”
Lan XiChen interrupted him, “How could you deny them? The witnesses and evidence are all here!”
Jin GuangYao continued, “Which is why I said I won’t deny them! But would I ever kill my father, my wife, my son and my brother if I had any other alternative left? Am I really such a madman in your eyes?!”
–Chapt. 106: “A Hatred For Life” Part 9, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
Jin GuangYao saw through the worries in his eyes instantly, and became so enraged that he actually started to laugh, “Lan XiChen! All my life, I’ve lied to countless people and have destroyed countless more. Just as you’ve said, murdering my father, my brother, my wife, my son, my master, my friends—There’s not a single sin left in this world that I haven’t committed!”
—Chapt. 108: "Concealment" Part 2, boat-full-of-lotus-pods
4) (Su She speaking on behalf of Jin Guangyao about why Mo Xuanyu was kicked out of the Jin Clan) He continued, “The people who aren’t from the LanlingJin Sect might not have heard of who he is. His name is Mo XuanYu. He used to be a disciple of the LanlingJin Sect. Back then, because of his indecent conduct, he was thrown out for the reason of harassing LianFang-Zun. Yet, speaking from the hearsay nowadays, he has proven himself to the likings of HanGuang-Jun, even following him wherever he goes. Why would HanGuang-Jun, who has always been known for his grace and righteousness, keep such a person by his side? It truly is difficult to understand.” (exr)
Debunked:
Wei WuXian continued, “Neither you nor ZeWu-Jun knew about this. You didn’t even know who Mo XuanYu was. It seems like the LanlingJin Sect had been keeping the whole thing hushed. Now this explains why. After all, Mo XuanYu had the sect leader’s blood in him. If Jin GuangShan really didn’t want such a son, he would’ve never taken him back. If it was as simple as harassing someone from the same sect, he would’ve gotten away with a few scoldings. It wouldn’t have been enough for him to be kicked out. But if the one he harassed was Jin GuangYao, things would’ve been a bit different. This wasn’t only LianFang-Zun, but also Mo XuanYu’s stepbrother. It truly was...”
–Chapt. 47: Guile (exr)
5) (On Nie Mingjue witnessing the then Meng Yao murdering his Jin superiors and attempting to frame it as a Wen attack) Meng Yao threw himself over, half rolling and half crawling, “I had no other choice, I had no other choice!” (exr)
Debunked:
Under the shock and the terror, he spoke as though his words flew, fearing that Nie MingJue might start chopping before he could even finish his explanation. Despite this, his explanation still had clear logic. Every sentence was highlighting how horrible the others were, how poor he himself was. Nie MingJue snatched his collar and lifted him up, “You’re lying!”
Meng Yao shuddered. Nie MingJue stared into his eyes, speaking one word at a time, “You reached your limit and were momentarily outraged? Would any outraged person kill someone with the expression that you had on? Would they purposely pick the discreet forest that had just been through a battle? Would they kill them with the Wen Sect’s sword, the Wen Sect’s technique in disguise as a Wen-dog’s stealth attack to put the blame on someone else? You’ve clearly been deliberately planning this out!”
–Chapter 48: Guile, exr
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So the new event on JP Twst has barely started, we're only two episodes in, and a little bird told me there's controversy regarding Leona wanting to implement reforms but being allegedly held back in his endeavour.
Based on what I heard on this new controversy, it seems some people in the fandom don't understand that drastic reforms aren't going to be implemented magically. I can tell you about that, my government is currently trying to pull that shit and the whole country is very loudly against it (and by the time this post gets online, i'll be sleeping after half a day at one of the nation-wide protests of the day lol). My country had been doing that shit for centuries as well so like, talking with cultural experience and some modicum of political understanding there.
It's crucial to understand that reforms, depending on how much they will change the system, need to be implemented slowly, because there's a chance people will reject it. Let's be honest, most of us are more concerned about our daily life than whatever complicated stuff the government is handling. If there's a reform and it affects your life in a rather direct manner, the main concerns will be how your life is affected in the short and medium terms. There lies the trick of reforms: they take effects immediately, but the actual results aren't necessarily as quick to show, depending on what the reform aims to change at a societal level. This is why, when a reform may cause strong changes, test groups are selected to basically what happens and how people take it, before implementing the reform at a wider scale.
What Leona wants to do is push for further modernisation of his country. Decent goal in itself, however you have to remember that people tend to be quite set in their way, and as such need to be presented with tangible results/arguments as to how X reform will make life much better in the l9ng run for them and their family. Keep also in mind that it's OK we know Leona, we know he's not an idiot - however the population in general doesn't know him personally. What they know is more likely what they may hear and read from journalists and social networks. These two elements - especially social networks - are very important because they hold a lot of power over a population's opinion (among other things, such as easily organising protests and strikes to express disagreement).
This is why reforms can't be implemented suddenly/forcefully. It's not because meanie politicians and meanie older brother want to hold Leona back. It's basic political wisdom.
Anyway, my proposal is to wait for more story content and full translation of the the event, instead of losing your shit over some pick-and-choose translation that doesn't provide the full picture lol
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