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TL;DR: AITA for using slurs to try and take them back?
Kindly asking people who arent queer or have autism/adhd ect not to vote
I have autism, Adhd, BPD and am a lesbian genderfluid person. I found out a while ago that theres people who actually try and take back words so they can't really be used against the people it was used against anymore. For example. The r word and the f word (not fuck, The other one)
I've been using them more lately to try and take em back, Yknow? I don't see anything wrong with it since I myself am autistic and apart of the lgbtq. I use it in arguments, I use it against my friends when we're playing around and pretending to be mad, And I even use it against myself at times calling myself yknow, A f and r word. I don't wanna say the actual things here incase it triggers anyone reading.
I always tag it correctly if its online or public, And I don't use them in every argument, Only if they started using stuff like that first. It's never been a problem, Until as of late. We made a new friend and they told me that I have no right to use those words, And that I'm hurting real autistic people and gay people [I don't know if they were implying I'm faking? I've been diagnosed by multiple doctors when I was little for the nerodivergency, And I've always liked using different pronouns and women since I remember]
It's begun to kinda tear our friend group apart. I'm not trying to hurt anyone, I'm trying to take it back so it can be come as useless as any insult like stupid or ugly. I want to make it more normalized so it cant hurt anyone anymore
Some still agree that I'm not really hurting anyone but now a few of my friends say until I stop they want nothing to do with me. I'm fine with not saying it around them if it makes them uncomfortable, But they say I need to stop for good.
AITA for saying these, And WIBTA for not stopping in general instead of just around them?
I'll put the word to search here incase I want this deleted
"plagiarize"
Just a note about that last line: please do not submit things intending to have them deleted later. Deleting posts is a courtesy I offer in case it becomes too dangerous or painful to have up, not something you should be planning for when you submit it.
What are these acronyms?
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cruelsister-moved2 · 1 year
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God your post about how people treat masculine women in media and irl hit the nail exactly on the head. I also keep seeing these people rejoice when a masc woman is forced to present femininely bc it's now "genderfluid rep" or whatever which makes me feel kinda sick ngl bc it's so clear that they think being a butch dyke is a shallow uncomplicated gender experience but being forced to be feminine is more moral/attractive/complex. Haruka Sailormoon is like one of my favorite fictional characters ever but the amount of tepidly queer sm fans who openly hate butches while championing heterosexuality and gender conformity under a thin veneer of progressive language make me want to lose my mind
YES to everything!!! the weird delight when a masc woman does something feminine is actually so uncomfortable and it's like... they've literally BEEN being gnc every day of their life but it's not enough for you until its watered down to just like a generic androgyny its so weird anddd i think combined with the belief that butch women are doing that as some kind of statement and denying them the understanding thats afforded to other women that like they sometimes just do the stuff they do because they enjoy it and it feels natural. thats actually my favourite thing about haruka (and i liked it about utena too which actually comes out n SAYS it when wakaba is like "but this IS what's normal for you", and that still went massively over ppls heads) like she is so casually masculine and like she's just like that. not only is butchdykery so much more complex than whatever tepid futch androgyny people would prefer, even if it wasn't its like literally just how people are helloooo like butch lesbians arent there to be controversial and make a statement ... you should not be responding to the denigration of the gendered boundaries someone has set for themselves like ever in any context anywayyy. but let alone in the group whose boundaries people are probably the most determined to deny (not that people don't do this with all gender nonconformity but theres nothing like the desperation with which people want an unapologetically masculine women to make just one concession to femininity). the whole 'compensating for short hair with big earrings and winged eyeliner' girlboss in menswear industrial complex is why butchness is uniquely predicated on not JUST the embrace of masculinity but also the exclusion of coercive femininity completely at the same time like it's really hand in hand and its to do with a wider social labyrinth of coercion that every woman navigates so you can't just brush it off with choice feminism type platitudes because ummm we live in a society
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Have you gotten into other series.since the owl house ended?
hey anon.
to be honest im all over the place, i really havent gone far from being still into toh- and mainly thats because im afraid of losing inspiration for writing toh fics if i dont keep some sort of grasp on it.
i have gotten and dabbled in other series but not really any that id want to write or read for. least not at this time. its like im consuming the media as it is and am not wanting to go deeper to create things for said media pieces.
recently- well.. not super recently i did watch arcane, and of course im really into scream, as well as both fight club and im sort of getting into mha.
however, i will say bloom into you ive taken a good interest in and while i havent read the manga fully yet- ive watched the anime like three times. i did start a fic that i didnt actually get far on but yeah.
really want to buy more of dorohedoro whenever possible too.
im just here idk. i hope i dont seem annoying or childish by still being in this fandom :(. i really just love the owl house, and growing up, it was really hard for me to find wlw representation that wasnt sexualized or like there was some sort of double standard of a male gaze with it. i kinda just found toh and have stuck by it. especially with the canon nonbinary they/them characters. lumity isnt a speculative ship either- we arent left in lesbian yearning. its an actual ship. for the first time in my fandom life i am able to experience a romantic relationship in a series that isnt purely derived from fanfiction and fan content. its real, and i love them. i love that theyre real and canon.
theres so much to think and talk about with the world too that leaves me to want to write about- especially BECAUSE its over. i can analyze canon as a whole and look at it like a salad bar of toppings for a fic.
i know its kind of childish, but i genuinely just love lumity. i love seeing them be happy. and im not gonna push myself if i dont feel up to parting with the series just yet. usually, my fandom eras last for a couple of years anyway. nothing just has roped me in just yet. i suppose when the fandom starts dying out, ill leave then, but it's pretty healthy still, and it's good. especially here on tumblr. very much so good people here.
i hope you have a good rest of your day. :)
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menalez · 4 months
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I’m genuinely wondering and mean nothing bad by this, but I got curious about that ask you answered about lesbians having sex with guys. Because there’s straight women who experiment with women or even choose to be with women exclusively for a variety of reasons, and that makes me think, is it really possible to willingly be with someone you can’t be sexually attracted to beyond idk, mere experimentation (and if so, what makes it more common in say, straight women in comparison to lesbians)? Or are there simply a lot more unaware/in-denial bi people than we think?
Also do you think there actually are lesbians who have willing sex with men even when being fully aware/accepting that they are lesbians? Idk but in my opinion, it seems kinda far fetched, first of all because why would you wanna sleep with men when you’re into women? Like I’d assume being lesbian would mean you don’t have that rose-tinted romantic perception of men (as much ig) that makes a lot of straight women see past men’s unattractiveness, manipulativeness, bad attitude/hygiene etc. But also because discovering you’re lesbian/gay is for many people a harrowing experience. Wouldn’t having sex with the opposite sex be pretty unpleasant then, if it can bring out all these negative thoughts and feelings one may associate with the topic of same-sex vs. (?) opposite-sex attraction? And there’s also the possibility of internalized misogyny pushing towards relationships/sex with men in favor of women. Also would you even get properly turned on if there’s no sexual attraction present? I mean, it’s probably possible to feel pleasure from the sexual acts themselves, but wouldn’t it be harder to get off than with another woman still? If so, where’s the point, then?
Like if we’re being hypothetical, there’s probably lesbians out there who are fully aware and completely sure of themselves being lesbians and have no internalized homophobia/lesbophobia/misogyny whatsoever, but simply sleep with men because they find the sex pleasurable, or because they have no preference (if that’s the fitting word? Or requirement? Idk) in sexual partners when they’re horny, despite their same-sex attraction.
But like, this is just some hypothetical woman. The possibility of there being a lesbian out there who fits that very improbable description does not in any way take away from the correct assumption/general definition that lesbians=don’t sleep with men.
Also sorry for my clumsy writing
there’s probably lesbians out there who are fully aware and completely sure of themselves being lesbians and have no internalized homophobia/lesbophobia/misogyny whatsoever, but simply sleep with men because they find the sex pleasurable, or because they have no preference (if that’s the fitting word? Or requirement? Idk) in sexual partners when they’re horny, despite their same-sex attraction.
HUH??? theres even straight women out there who arent finding sex with men pleasurable, why would a lesbian want to be with a man sexually to begin with? why would any lesbian have "no preference in sexual partners when they're horny" like ur basically saying lesbian boundaries fall apart once we're horny and that just.. doesnt make sense.... if u get horny for men and enjoy sex with men then thats a very blatant sign ur not a lesbian. when im horny i dont suddenly want to have sex with men bc men as a whole are entirely sexually undesirable to me. its not even a neutral act bc its directly me going against my desires & sexuality to do sth like that.
Also do you think there actually are lesbians who have willing sex with men even when being fully aware/accepting that they are lesbians?
i think some lesbians feel like they have to "try" it to prove they're not interested in men since we are all pressured to be "open-minded" by trying being with a man before "insisting" that we're lesbians. but i dont think theres lesbians who regularly are just having casual sex with men knowing full well that theyre lesbians, no. that just doesnt seem rational to me whatsoever.
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Said it in tags but yknow what it deserves its own the post. Bear with me a second, this might seem scattered but theresna throughline.
The difference between, as we paint things, cishet allo perisex etc men, and women
Or etc men and lesbians
Etc men and queers
What really boils down to toxicity compared to its healthy counterpart
I just reblogged an example of butch protectiveness. What makes it different from toxic protectiveness. What makes queer chivalry feel comforting and and cishet etc chivalry feel sexist and condescending. You see the pattern Im talking about?
Gender and sexuality arent actually the defining factors here. We use them as shorthand. Cishet etc people are capable of healthy dynamics and queer folks are capable of toxic dynamics.
Im not saying there isnt a correlation, queerness often breaks down cis etc. ideas and ideals and reforms them in healthier ways.
The difference is respect of autonomy and agency.
Why does it sometimes feel gross to women when a guy is protective but good when a butch is protective? The first has sexist history and implications. That because youre a woman you must be weaker, more fragile, incompetent, and the implications make one angry. With a butch, thats not there. They just see you as YOU, protect you because they care about you as an individual.
Difference between someone giving their kid sex ed including consent including what to do if youre uncomfortable, its cold out do you want a jacket, and you better be back by midnight i have a gun take your pepper spray wear this huge jacket. The difference isnt gender or sexuality or lifestyle, the difference is do you assume your kid is competent and equip them to make good safe choices, or do you try lock them away threaten their dates makes them dress covered up because theyre your fragile sweet helpless girl and you think threats or isolation and control is all that will keep them safe.
Men, cishets,[ insert population to hate on here] might be culturally programmed to behave a certain way, may benefit themselves behaving a certain way (eg upholding the patriarchy which is something people of any age and gender can do), but crucially, its not inherent theyre not stuck that way. People can learn and unlearn and grow.
On the other hand, someones queer identity doesnt inherently make them safe. Theres so much lateral violence just on this app. Thats also people buying into normalcy in an attempt for protection, becoming cops for normalcy. And its not the fault of aces or bis or trans fems or trans mascs or whoever the target is this month, every group has people trying to sell out to Big Normal in exchange for being allowed to live and maybe even thrive. Cultural power is real.
Thats my point. Certain groups of people are more likely to have rethought and relearned attitudes we ALL absorbed and are exposed to every day about who we're supposed to shame and which boxes we're supposed to fit and how badly we should hurt ourselves and each other to "get ahead".
Nothing is inherent to anyone of any identity. [X identity group*] are not a lost cause of awful people. We kind of all start out as awful people. We're all capable of growth. There is hope. Its so much work, but if hope isnt worth working for than what is?
*bi group I mean I gender or sexuality or disability (im looking at yall casually demonizing people with narcissism and schizophrenia and many other experiences). Something inherent to a person doesnt say anything about their morality or their choices.
Eg incels are pretty awful people by definition BUT its possible to become not-an-incel, to change ones mind, to leave a cult or a movement. Might be extraordinarily difficult but its possible. To be on that incel path and willingly going further down it, thats a kind of moral choice.
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hi again, its the same anon from this ask: https://www.tumblr.com/traumasurvivorshelpingsurvivors/724050014752686080/hello-im-not-sure-what-im-looking-for-i-would?source=share
im in a bad space again and i dont really have anyone i can talk to, so while i still feel a bit guilty for dumping my problems on here, i figured it would be okay since you dont have any obligations to me.
thank you in advance, i really appreciated the response to my last ask.
trigger/content warnings: general depressive thoughts, gender dysphoria
first of all, sorry if this ask is all over the place. if im being honest, im not entirely sure about anything really. like what it is that i want, what im thinking and trying to say, what i feel even. i guess it makes sense though, because the past year or two - and even moreso the past several months - have been just overall confusing and overwhelming for me. im not sure about my place in the world anymore. not that i ever really was, i guess, but back then i at least had goals or some thoughts and ideas about what i wanted to do in life. now though, i dont have anything. i dropped out of school and quit my job. i lost most of my friends and i cant find it in me to talk to the ones i still sort of have. for a month or two i even convinced myself i was a lesbian because in some ways it was way easier than being a gay trans man, which is what ive gone back to identifying as. im not even sure why i tried to tell myself i was a lesbian and not a man, because even when i was telling people i was, it felt so wrong and uncomfortable. i felt dysphoric even worse than before and i still do.
while my gender dysphoria is still a really big struggle, i feel like the other things are more pressing. im not even sure how to describe it. its every symptom of depression down to the t but it feels different to me somehow? the past several months feel like theyve gone by so fast and i feel like ive missed so much. like ive missed the chance to make my life worth it. i know it sounds stupid because the teenage years arent even half of most people's lives but im almost 18 now and i feel like ive ruined my chances at ever being happy, of ever being worth something. i truly dont see myself ever doing something worth while and im so mad at myself for throwing my life away. i wish so bad that i could go back to high school and just tough it out. i wish even more that i couldve just been born a boy, somehow i think everything wouldve been better. i lose so much sleep over it. i feel like im grieving for a life i couldve lived. i never even got the chance to grow up as a boy and it makes me feel like nothing else is worth it.
theres so much more thats eating away at me but i feel bad for having already said so much. again im not really sure what im looking for, i guess just comfort? some kind of reminder to give me a little hope.
- maverick (signing my name because ill probably come back to vent again)
Hi maverick,
I'm sorry to hear about how things have been for you recently. It's clear from your message that you've been going through a lot, including struggles with your gender identity, depression, and a sense of lost time and opportunities. It's important to remember that you're not alone in these feelings, and many people go through periods of uncertainty in their lives. It's okay to feel confused and overwhelmed at times. The journey of self-discovery and understanding one's identity and place in the world can be incredibly complex and challenging.
It's important to remember that your gender identity is a deeply personal aspect of who you are, and it's entirely valid. It's not uncommon for individuals to question and explore their gender identity before finding what feels most authentic to them. It's a process, and it's okay if it takes time to fully understand and accept.
It's easy to feel hopeless at your age, but it's important to recognize that you still have the capacity to create a meaningful and fulfilling life ahead. Life is a nonlinear journey, and it's never too late to pursue your goals and find happiness. Also please know that it's natural to grieve the childhood you never got to have as a trans person, and this can be especially common in experiencing gender dysphoria. But it may be helpful to instead focus on your ability to live the life you want to live in the present.
If you can access or afford it, a mental health professional such as a therapist can help you navigate depression, gender dysphoria and other challenges you're facing. Please know that seeking support from friends, family, or a mental health professional can be an important step in finding comfort and hope during difficult times. You don't have to go through this alone, and there are people who care about your well-being.
I hope I could help, and please let us know if you need anything.
-Bun
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borgusbinted · 2 years
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im trying to articulate a point on differences between mtf and ftm experiences but its so hard cuz i dont wanna accidentally imply some kinda ranking. Theyre just different. I think it boils down to the gender binary and how "men" make decisions in society and "women" dont. When a trans woman exists it completely shatters this worldview; simultaneously you are viewed as a man choosing to reject masculinity and as a woman somehow existing outside the strict sex-gender correlation thats supposed to be fact, so you become an enemy of people trying to enforce a roles-based society and they essentially rationalize it all by saying youre a danger to society, subhuman.
When youre ftm its much easier to put you in the "woman" box because women dont actually think or make choices according to the ideology, so your choice to be masculine isnt actually a thing: or its a rejection of your role as a woman, its hysteria, its mental illness, its that youre too ugly or youre jealous of men or some other freudian shit. Youre just being silly. It reenforces that women arent equipt to have freedom over how they present because theyll start "acting like men". Its not really a threat itself but rather its evidence that women need to be controlled more. I mean think of how terfs view trans ppl: trans men are just lesbians who are sick of being oppressed so they try to become their oppressors, trans women are seen as literal monsters, wolves in sheeps clothing coming to violate you in the bathroom, but theres more to it because they clearly hate transfems much more than they hate men: you are an ultimate contradiction to their simplistic "bad vs good" worldview so they come up with insane reasons for your existence and cant ever stop talking about it because nothing they ever come up with actually really makes sense; you are evil for no reason.
When youre ftm i guess youre just stupid and silly and basically still a woman. This is probably what people are talking about when they use the word "transandrophobia" but the problem isnt that people hate you for being trans and a man, its actually that they view you as a woman "trying to be a man" and hate you for that, theres no part of it that is about hating you for being a man, because the second someone is actually viewed as a man socially they gain actual respect and freedom.
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fulane-de-tal · 3 years
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[ID: a digital drawing. The image is framed by a blue border with flowers in it. In the image, two women are kissing inside a room. both wear dresses woven with patterns typical of those worn by ancient Middle eastern populations. The background is a room with large arches leading to a balcony. There is a large white-and-blue rug on the floor, and on it is a small table with a pitcher and two pomegranates, one split in half. Text reads: “song of songs 6:10 who is she that shines through like the dawn, beautiful as the moon, radiant as the sun, awesome as bannered hosts?” end ID.]
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exclamaquest · 2 years
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do you think the endo movement is going to die down? honestly upsetting how did/osdd systems are less vocal about being systems and now the only people i do see claiming to be systems are endos. makes u think about how the community has been silenced by people calling you exclusionists if you ask how theyre a system without trauma. lost a lot of friends over this and especially in the image describing community. if it really is """trendy""" i hope it doesnt last .... smfh
yeah i really, really hope there's some even more definitive studies done (not that the existent ones arent, just that endos like to nitpick shit) or some shit just. blows over. bc it's honestly super distressing to see a serious disorder like...treated so flippantly and equated to shit like queer identities.
tbh i think theres a correlation btwn radinclus rhetoric becoming more commonplace + pluralgang etc bullshit. refusal to believe that identities can be harmful + fear of someone saying youre invalidating their identity or w/e which shuts down critical thinking + refusal to do any critical thinking in the first place + the spread of science denial under the guise of being antipsych + the pressure to like...be Special and Unique and Marketable and to keep nothing about your life private = the perfect climate for really bad shit to fester and spread.
tl;dr yeah i sure hope it dies down but it's all traceable to a few roots and like. if we could just teach critical thinking it would do a world of good
also same yeah i had a few friends in the image desc community who i lost when one of them like. randomly blocked me bc they found out i dont believe in mspec lesbians lol
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vampish-glamour · 2 years
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I just want to understand why tucutes think that dysphoria (disconnect between your birth sex and gender) isnt needed to be trans. Ive gone all ways thinking about this but i just cant figure out why they think so? I tried asking some of them but no answer, and id just get blocked despite them calling themselves discourse blogs. If theres no disconnect then what else would there be??? You arent born with nothing for you to later pick and choose one of the 1000 mogai labels. And if "gender is fluid" then why cant i just decide to be a man? Or why cant trans people suddenly decide to be comfortable with their agab? Whats the point of calling yourself a discourse blog if all your posts consist of "men lesbians are valid! stargenders are valid! you dont need dysphoria to be trans! fuck smelly transmeds! anyone willing to discourse dni!!"?? same goes with those pan positivity blogs... they never explain what pan means to them or what sexuality is, all they do is copy paste the same 'positivity' post over and over. and god dare you ask them. Sorry if this is long but i just cant find any levelheaded tucutes to ask and since youre a big discourse blog, maybe youve been fortunate enough to find one
The problem is that you’re assuming they’re putting thought into it.
They follow the “believe what people say” mentality. As in, if somebody says they’re trans, believe them and move on. Which sounds great on the surface!! But doesn’t take into account that this also means believing predatory or opportunistic people who are lying about being trans to be predatory or opportunistic (think the dudes in prison who claim to be trans women, either to get into a women’s prison or to get a lighter sentence)
It also means believing non dysphorics who speak over trans people, and make being trans seem like a super fun lighthearted trend, and not a serious condition (gender dysphoria) that can be eased with transition.
They also, as you mentioned, believe “everything is valid”. If it makes somebody feel good, then it must be valid!! Even if it’s completely contradictory; genderless gay women, bisexual and also gay, asexual but experiences attraction, etc.
They don’t put much thought into the stuff they spew, their thought process starts and ends at “it’s valid, this person says they feel good with this label and that means that the label is real and valid”.
Btw, the obsession with validity tells me that they’re not actually all that valid. People who are experiencing something real typically don’t need constant validation on Tumblr, and shrug it off if they don’t get it. People who are making their whole identity revolve around very vague experiences that they apply random labels to, seem to need that validation and get pissy if they don’t get it.
I haven’t found many sensible tucutes tbh, and idk if I’d consider myself big compared to some people on here lol. Idk what the requirements for “big” are. But also I don’t really seek them out, because it gets tiring reading the same nonsense over and over, all wrapped up with the same logic of “Everything Is Valid”.
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This may be nothing lmao but I just read your analysis of bang the doldrums and I personally had a homoerotic friendship with my best friend in high school that ended in flames (as those tend to do when you’re in high school and gay and mentally ill - what a trifecta) and that chorus reminds me so much of her tbh. I just think the whole noncommittal attitude of the song can read as being closeted - at least that’s how I was a teenager and like never wanted to SAY I loved her right bc then it would be REAL and I’d have to come to terms with being gay yk. Loved ur analysis as always even tho it made me sad now lol ❤️
thanks! yeah homerotic friendships are very common amongst baby gays, but as you can imagine in the past the solution of "we could be a couple" just never really crosses your mind, because either it doesnt occur to you its possible for boys to like boys and girls to like girls and for boys to become girls and girls to become boys and for people to be neither or both or neither AND both (please note these arent the most accurate ways to describe any of these, this is baby gay "inside the box but looking out" speak) or it doesnt occur to you that YOU can be queer.
i had my own (although it was extremely toxic and abusive rip) and my thought process was first "girls cant date girls. Because." and then "okay lesbians exist but im not one because thats for other people" and even if youve figured out that YOU could be gay. homophobia still exists. and if youre like The 00s It Boy maybe you dont wanna be called more homophobic slurs than you already are. its obviously not mt business, but its interesting, yknow? theyre friends again, so theres no bad blood, but i wonder if either of them know bisexuality exists yet.
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chad-bian · 3 years
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Maybe its just my experience of going from a very butch lesbian for many years to a very butch bi but theres... Rly no necessary difference. I held ur same arguemnt until i started iding as bi and felt litterally no difference in my gnc sapphisim. Id say as long as ur primarily into/are mostly seeking out girls, arent supporting "futch" and only id as butch while dating women/nbs, theres nothing wrong with bi wlw and nblw identifying as butches and femmes. It really just boils down to a bi wlws gender nonconformity can look and act no different than a lesbians gender nonconformity and what makes a butch4femme relationship is the fact its 2 wlw dating who act certain roles, not rly about any other forms of their attraction.
Just dont attack bi wlw for wanting to use these terms, we've used them in the past seince their creation and we have no real alternatives other than " stag" or " tomcat" which stag was stolen from black lesbians and bi wlw shouldnt have to id as animals to identify their wlw gender nonconformity.
As long as they arent like " i feel so butch when i fuck men" a bi wlw should be fine to be butch/femme.
Btw im not trying to start shit with you! Just wanted to share a side of someone who used to feel the same way you did until they started id as bi and tbh... Feels no different, especially seince bi wlw who usually want to id as butch/femme .. Arent usually going after men when they dress and act the roles of butch/femme, they are usually after girls/nbs. They arent less gnc wlw for also being gnc wlm.
You can still be gnc lol and you can still desire similar roles but butch means lesbian. You can make your own term if you want or you can say gnc or masc but butch means lesbian. An intrinsic part of butchness is being a lesbian. If I was attracted to men I know I could no longer be a butch it just doesn’t work that way. Gnc wlw can still be gnc wlw but the identities of butch and femme are not for you if you are not a lesbian. If you still don’t wanna listen to me whatever but please kindly escort yourself off my blog this is very important to me as a butch.
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menalez · 1 year
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OMG I relate so much to the anon talking about how she took so long to figure out she was a lesbian because of autism hyperfixation. Male characters are usually written so well-rounded and I'd really get into some that made me feel represented, or who I wanted to be. Up to the point where I felt disconnected from my own body and I was a spectator when I was thinking about women I liked. This realisation hit me a few days ago and I actually swore out loud lmao.
I still find it hard to daydream about me being with women because I feel like a predator or a creep, but this realisation makes it a bit easier. I no longer need to pretend to be a man when I'm daydreaming. Not sure if anyone can relate but lmao.
i cannot say i relate but that explanation makes sense to me. that sounds rly difficult to unpack 😭 i do relate to the last bit tho. many lesbians feel predatory or creepy simply over fantasising over women, i had those moments myself. it takes time to accept that theres nothing wrong w our sexuality and that we arent predatory for fantasising in a way that any average person would about their preferred sex
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Oliver! (1968) Live (re) watch!
i have already seen oliver!, but not in ages, so i decided to watch it again, enjoy
very long post warning
fuckin hell these opening credits are LONG
i love the fact instrumentals of songs in the movie are playing
i have chocolate popcorn, apple lucozade and oliver! on, life is good
yes i know mark lester is oliver ive seen this like 20 times can i watch the film now
OH ABOUT FUCKING TIME
god is love
IS IT WORTH THE WAITING FOR IF WE LIVE TILL 84 ALL WE EVER GET IS GRUELL
i forgot how much of a banger food glorious food is
LOOK AT BABY MARK LESTER 🥺🥺🥺
ads in middle of movie be like
its harry secombe!
AMENNNN
oliver gets bullied the movie
look at this poor kid
MOREE????????
oh yes oliver i love this song
O L I V E R
poor kid
without any bannister yikes
the one who named him........O-L-IV-ERRR
oh were outside now
olivers just been kicked out oh shit
but on the plus side he has a cute ass hat on
BOY FOR SAY AL
look at oliver 🥺 he deserves better
SOWERBERRY MORE LIKE SHITTERBERRY
theres a severe lack of thats your funeral and i shall scream
noah claypole more like noah clayprick
“perhaps... if i had a tall hat?” BABEY
HES GOT HIS TALL HAT ON YES OLIVER
oliver said dab on them haters from your old gaff youre a funeral advisor now and theyre still homeless
DONT INSULT HIS MUM FUCK YOU NOAH
YES OLIVER KILL HIM
yes stuff the nine year old in a coffin and sit on it well done
"OLIVAH ??" "Yes im here: ((("
ITS MEAT!
oliver deserves better man 
im gonna cry and were like 25 minutes in.
ik its not mark singing but whoever it is CAN SING WTF
i want to give him a hug
OH SHIT HES RUNNING AWAY
hes in the lettuce
LONDON YOU MADE IT !
yes oliver trains exist
DODGER!!!
whach you starin at aint ya ever seen a toff
the beak
look at lil jack wild
me more hintimate friends
cockney accent™️
the artful dodga
CONSIDERR YOURSSELF AT HOEME COSNIDER YOURSWLF OEN OF THE FAMILY !!!!!!!!!!
im sorry i love this song
look this scene is awesome, but it would be COMPLETE with charley oh wait he was demoted to extra and everything interesting abt him was given to dodger
he should have gotten the nobody tries to be ladeeda or uppity bit I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL
this cast is BIG
okay i am a Charger Enthusiast but do we all agree there is something oddly homosexual about oliver and dodger in this song
note how dodger is scared of the police FORESHADOWING
ive taken to this SO STRONGITSCLEARWEREGOINGTOGETALONG
how many extras is this ???? yall better be gettin paid
its dodga comin up
this set is sraight out of the book i love it
CHARLEY MATE IM SORRY THEY MADE YOU AN EXTRA 
“oh not again” does dodger just always show up with random workhouse kids 
ah yes fagin the character whos still a negative jewish stereotype
more and more big cast
THESE SAUSAGES ARE MOULDY! (am i going to freak out whenever charley does anything because i love him? yes)
stfu drink your gin
is this a laundry?? no fam 
THE BEST FUCKING SONG IN THIS MUSICAL
IN THIS LIFE ONE THING COUNTS
sorry if i dont add to this until pick a pocket or two is done bc its a straight banger
this song is EVERYTHING 
hard at work lol ok
did he make those himself??? no
couple a wipes
EMBROIDERED THEM??? no
petition for all oliver twist adaptations to refer to charley as master bates like the book and for him to have actual lines and not have his actor switched at least three times
i dont even now who charley is at this point because his actor is switched many a time im just gonna say purple blazer kid is charley
anyway charley bates supremacy
whos bill sikes??? NO
fuck bill all my homies hate bill
rum tum tum is a banger
go bed now
take your hat off in bed dodger
movie fagin has rights
fagin leaving where will he go
BET IS THAT YOU
FUCK OFF BILL NO ONE LIKES YOU 
NANCY NANCY HES HERE !!!!!! bet deserves everything and more ily 💖
NANCYYYY!!!!!!
its a fine life more like its a banger
wheres all of bets lines gone
bet 🤝 charley (being demoted to extras)
its not funny anyore bet.. bet girl please sing youre the best fucking thing about this song
such a happy song about domestic abuse
THERE SHE IS THATS MY GIRL BET I FUCKING LOVE YOU
bullsye rights!
i hate how this movie made fagin more symathetic but he’s still a “greedy jew” stereotype
oliver?????
at this moment fagin knew he fucked up
nancy you deserve better than bill
oh hi dodger forgot you existed
and the rest of you except oliver
ah yes charley “sausages” bates i missed you
THESE FUCKING KIDS THEY ALL LOVE BET AND NANCY MY HEART
im a regular gent i am. no dodger you arent
why is “permit me to assist you across the road” so fucking funny
pov dodgers back on his bullshit so you have to pretend to be a horse and cart for him
not “sir artful” 😭😭😭
anyfink for youu
WHAT FISTICUFFS???!!!
i feel sorry for the child extras man theyve prob had to film this scene like ten times
THESE KIDS CAN SING
 the boys dancing with eachother is too fucking wholesome i love this
again, movie fagin rights
weed riissk lifee and limmbb
you promised we could go see the angin!!!!!
ats on boys time were off
THIS IS MY FAVOURITE SONG
HOW COULD WE LET HOW COULD WE FORGET OUR DEAR OLD FAGIN WORRY!!
mate that aint single file did you not hear him
am i the only one who can hear london bridge is falling down in the back??
our pockets hold a watch of gold that chimes upon the hour!!! a wallet fat an old mans hat!!! the jewels from the tower!!!
WE KNOW THE NOSEY POLICEMEENNNN
dodger and charley (i am SURE charley is purple blazer kid even if havent seen this film in ages) are GETTING INTO THIS
oliver 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
movie fagin rights pt 27238227
DODGER OLIVER COME ON!!!!!!!!! alright dude chill
ARE YALL SEEING THIS SHIT, I WAS RIGHT, I TOLD YOU THAT THE LAD IN THE PURPLE BLAZER WHO SINGS “a wallet fat an old mans hat” WAS CHARLEY BATES AND GUESS WHAT HE FUCKING IS. I WAS RIGHT, PURPLE BLAZER KID IS CHARLEY YOU CAN LEAVE NOW
no dont were only an hour in
three kids on the back of the omnibus what will they do
dodger and charley said be gay do crimes
ah shit now look what youve gotten us into dodger
IT WASNT EVEN OLIVER IT WAS CHARLEY AND DODGER GO AFTER THEM
are dodger and charley straight up framing oliver for a crime they commited while also helping him escape
yes they are why are we surprised 
i hate to break it to you dodger but hiding oliver in a meat sack doesnt work
OLIVERS ON THE ROOF????
charley and dodger got oliver into this mess and they are not going to get him out
WHY DIDNT YOU LOOK AFTER HIM????? right calm down fagin
how could i help it :((((
no bill!
stan nancy
“two other boys stole it” no shit
BROWNLOW !
run bitch run
right intermission time now
AND WE’RE BACK!
entr acte
who will buyyy
strawberry girl is carrying this
oliver owns my heart pt 278983728938728
this is a banger wtf
okay its done now right
right?????
UHH BILL???? DODGER???? BITCH WHY TF ARE YOU HERE
have bill fagin nancy and the boys been stalking oliver???
NO SHE WONT FAGIN!
shit.
fuck bill
this scene is far more sadder when you think of how the boys have just seen the only woman they see as a mother figure been hit to the flo or, im not crying, you are
as long as he needs me :(
FUCK YOU BILL
rose maylie is that you?!
look at lil oliver!!
BILL FUCK OFF
i hate bill
“look at his togs! he’s got books too!” charley and dodger are my emotional support kids
anyway have i mentioned i hate bill, bc i hate bill.
I REALLY REALLY HATE BILL
even fagin aka the guy whos keeping these kids as pickpockets has more morals than bill
WE STAY CALM!!
no bill i havent heard a dying chicken
act one was just childish antics now we have THIS
fuck bill
YOURE TELLING ME THE BOYS WATCHED THAT????
jack wild is a banging actor. he genuinely looks terrified 🥺 
this film.. 
a mans got a heart hasnt he?? yes you do!!!
a full song dedicated to movie fagin rights?? did i ghostwrite this?? probably
banger
ithinkidbetterthinkitoutagain!
villains theives and nine year olds
MR BUMBLE?????!!!!!!!!!!
fuck bill pt72898376728909878199
bill youre traumatising him
cmon nance do something!!
also completely forgot abt this but uh does monks exist in this i forgot bc we have had no mentions of him yet
nancy tell him who bill is!!!
bullseye deserves better
uhm what is going on
bill sikes more like bill yikes
oliver what are you doing
BILL TERRIFIES ME
FUCK
omg oom pah pah????
leave oliver alone bill hes like nine
oh banger
OOM PAH PAH THATS HOW IT GOES!!!!!!!!!
just asking are nancy and bet lesbians bc they look it
COULD IT BE OOM PAH PAHHHHHH
god i love this song
IT SHOOOOOWSSSSSS
its the same oom pah pah
“She was from the country but now shes up a gumtree she let a fella feed her then lead her a long” foreshadowiinnggg
OOM PAH PAH! OOM PAH PAH! OOM PAH PAH!
nancy is so fucking smart
getting the whole pub singing and dancing to smuggle out oliver? clever
fuck
bill.. no.. bill.. bill????
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKC
BILL GET OFF HER
NANCY NO
HE STRAIGHT UP COMMIT MURDER AGAINST THE NICEST CHARACTER
BROWNLOW DO YOU NOT HEAR NOTHING
nancy deserved a better death than to be killed by bill fuck bill
EVEN BULLSEYE HATES YOU BILL
ARE THEY ACCUSING BULLSEYE OF MURDER
FUCK YOU BILL
movie fagin rights + fuck bill combo?
youre telling me fagin had an ESCAPE ROUTE??? AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUSE THING??? THE WHOLE TIME???
BILL DONT KILL THE CHILD
BILL
fuck, well. #
“WHAT DO I DO!?” “LIVE UP TO YOUR NAME, DODGE ABOUT”
ten quid says dodgers been caught
oh no all fagins shit is gone
BILL DONT KILL THE CHILD PT 2
FUCK YOU BILL
GOD I HATE HIM
OLIVER MATE ARE YOU OK
never have i been so happy to see a character die
rest in shit bill
hi dodger thought you got caught n went to australia 
god, this film is so fucking good.
reviewing the situation 2.0 goes hard
MOVIE. FAGIN. RIGHTS!
FAGIN YOU CAN BE A GOOD MAN YOU KNOW YOU CAN
DODGER??????????
IM TOTALLY NOT CRYING RN
FAGIN NO DONT TAKE IT
FUCKING PLOTTWIST
IT MADE IT LOOK LIKE FAGIN WAS GONNA GIVE THE WALLET BACK TO DODGER BUT NO
once the villain you’re the villain to the end
i completely forgot abt this scene since i’ve been reading the oliver twist book and in that dodger gets arrested and fagin gets hanged but here they get away?
god this is bittersweet
I THINK WE’D OUGHT TO THINK IT OUT AGAIN!!!!!
thats where the film should have ended, i get olivers the main character but it ending on dodger and fagin walking out into the sunset is such a pleasing ending man
oliver gets his happy ending abt time
YES CONSIDER YOURSELF AND BE BACK SOON (THE BIGGEST BANGERS IN THE FILM) CREDITS SONGS!!
well.. that was a journey and half
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justplainsimon · 3 years
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expectation for our dreams at dusk: “oh so its gonna be all about this gay kid struggling with his feelings for one of his classmates and its gonna take place at a highschool and theres gonna be alotta drama...”
Reality: “yo! they got old gays! asexuality! the chapters with the trans characters feel like they were based on real people, with the young one that i guess just crossdresses when they arent with thier family and is kind of emotionally volatile to the main character because both of them don’t really know how to handle the situation because their both young and... well being trans doesn’t keep you from being homophobic & the older one being more social and cool but like, still has problems on whether to be polite or to stick up for themselves and draw a line in the sand with people who dont know the damage thier doing
oh... and the lesbian wedding
if anything the main character is kind of an after thought, the pov, which, given that hes a teenager makes sense cause thats typically the point in your life when you think about and process these types of questions about how much of yourself you allow others to see vs. what should you keep from others and if so for how long, would it even a good idea? who do you like? what would happen/come of it?
Also, in each volume, they mention 1x piece by tchaikovsky
say for the last one which is synced up with the nutcracker
anyway, its pretty stressful at times but thats the point, i think we’ve all had to deal with stressful situations like these. it gets the sense of feeling your way around in the dark and just searching and learning from others who’ve had different yet similar experiences to your own, which is something i feel is lacking in alot of lgbt stuff, i feel like more stories would benefit if they focused less on coming out and just, the quest for knowledge, and questioning one’s self
its only 4 volumes so theres nothing to lose
5/5 
(yeah, its as good as they say)
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getallemeralds · 3 years
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explorers of arvus: heading back / 3.11.21
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LAST TIME ON ARVUS taure passed out and we are now down a healer! also we met a disciple of halvkar, and surprisingly did not murder her. this is fine. we have instantly gotten distracted by our various carts. cats. our various cats
DID ANY OF US CATCH TAURE, SHE FELL OVER sieron tried to catch her and smacked charlie+thorne in the face (he rolled a nat1, f) BUT the catboy is to the rescue bc silje is the designated Not Incompetent of the group today
CONSULT THE CHILD hewwo yrel yrel: her mind is being consumed by the serpent of nightmares. :D charlie: HELLO?????//
so, dendar(?) the night serpent is imprisoned beneath arvus! she was formed from the nightmares of the first sentient being, and sometimes she eats people's nightmares. if she's exceptionally hungry, she'll force nightmares onto people for her to feed off their fear. yrel thinks taure will Probably wake up. there's a thing on arvus mentioned by the locals called a "sleeping sickness" where people will fall asleep for a few days, sometimes longer, but will wake up. its magical in cause, the people afflicted by it have horrific nightmares, and its just kinda. a thing. wowza
(i have gone back to spelling yrel's name as yrel bc i think it looks nice)
OH HEY SOMEONE POSTED A THEORY ON ONE OF MY STICKMOLUS ANIMATIONS man i should get back to stickmolus sometime. once dsmp releases its awful grip on me.
i keep getting distracted by seeing myself in the camera preview. i have a tooth gap! what the fuck its cute?? K I KNOW WE'RE SUPER BLURRY IN FRONT RN BUT PLEASE HELP ME STAY FOCUSED I SWEAR -leo
we're gonna build a sled! to put taure on. thorne: i have a good strength score. ....i say, out loud charlie: i am four feet tall. [cue argument between thorne & sieron about them both being horcs but sieron has a +0 bc strength is his dump stat] OH, OKAY, THORNE ROLLED A NAT20 TO CARRY TAURE. NICE
[discussion about what to tell everyone at camp vengenace] thorne: the last thing we need to do is a witch hunt charlie: --and we already hunted the witch! the witch has been hunted.
time to discuss strategy! we need to figure out how to head back to camp vengeance, eg if we want to follow the path we already took or if we wanna do some trailblazing. looks like we're gonna try and take the most direct path! which means we'll prolly risk tangoing with some undead but im willing to risk it TINY HUT STAIRCASE sorry i just remember it now and then
nyx: [meowing at his cats] thorne: uh... why is silje meowing? jorb: silje's food bowl is empty jorb: you look at silje's food bowl and there's a divot in the middle and the food is all on the sides emotionally, we must bully the catboy silje saw something interesting and started meowing
thorne: ill take first watch silje: ill also take first watch. charlie: [quietly] gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy (but, like, extended for 15 seconds)
silje: [takes watch] [rolls a nat1 and gets distracted by looking at his crush]
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THORNE HAS LOCATED A DOG the dog does not give a shit about the tiny hut. THE DOG HAS PEED ON THE TINY HUT goodbye dog
EVERYONE IS ROLLING AT LEAST 1 NAT1 thorne: wow! that sure is a dog. thorne has drawn the worst possible dog. thorne has erased the worst possible dog. we dont speak of the worst possible dog its the dog version of honse. DONSE
sieron is now on watch! MAN we are havin trouble rolling today. at least kali's here to make sure sieron doesnt stare at a rock for 50000 years sieron sees a mouse! bottom text
charlie is now on watch! kali is havin a big ol thonk. nothing meaningful has come of this
i am perceiving some deer. sieron is not perceiving some deer. silje is perceiving some deer, but better the deer are fucked up and undead! silje has gone from "we should hunt these deer for food" to "we should hunt these deer for sport"
charlie: i do not feel like being jumped by five thousand skeletons
charlie takes first watch with sieron! WHY ARE OUR ROLLS SO TERRIBLE taure is super cursed right now. that's not very pog charlie: this place sucks. thorne: to be fair, we havent-- charlie: YOU'RE ASLEEP, SHUT UP
oh hey coolname galvanic finally partied. nice.
thorne is at watch! solar: hey, is leomund's tiny hut an orb? there's a critter digging around! AH, THE CRITTER IS UNDEAD. this could be a problem
solar: hey michael, how much does the horrific sin against god dog i drew look like this creature michael: [dice roll noises] about 50%.
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michael: if anyone likes, they can make a nature check-- solar: ME MEMEMEMEME ME ME ME
its a bulette! aka a land shark. problem: they are not normally undead. this one is undead.
jorb: imagine if you could tame one of those and use it as a mount. leo: IT WOULD JUST DIG UNDERGROUND AND LEAVE YOU THERE
we are just calling it a weird dog
we're going to mail a letter to the heart of arvus. HEY, CHECK OUT THIS WEIRD DOG,
JORB FOUND ART OF A BABY BULETTE. WEIRD PUPPY!
solar: hey guys, check out this sick art of a bulette i found
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silje kept a lookout for the weird dog but its just fucked off. goodbye, weird dog give it up for day 3!
man there's been like, three incinerations today in blaseball. what's up with that. I SWEAR IM MOSTLY PAYING ATTENTION its just been an eventful day in blaseball. also im wearing my garages bomber rn. jaylen is home wooOOOO the wind smells stinky. this is fine.
we're actively avoiding whatever combat michael keeps nudging at us bc we're carrying around an unconscious person and i SWEAR hes gonna throw something directly at us once he's done with our shenanigans
UHH MICHAEL ASKING FOR PASSIVE PERCEPTION LOL
huh. this place used to be inhabited? we're in the woods rn but there's some like, stone ruins? like, VERY ruins. like, not really any structures standing, but enough evidence to show there Were things. WE FOUND A STATUE charlie: i want to smash my face against the lore.
used to be a circle of standing stones, but most of em fell over or got overgrown. inside of the circle has been cleared, although v roughly-- ground's torn up statue is of fjolnir! warrior holding up a spear and shield. AH, THERE ARE CORPSES, a human got REAL fucked up here. one of the corpses is straight up impaled on fjolnir's spear. n ... not pog.
i am trying so, so hard to pay attention. but i also kinda wanna take a nap.
charlie: [stares at statue] [rolls a 4] i wonder if he had a dick.
okay so something rolled in, tore up the overgrowth inside the circle, and murdered a couple dudes. and was also super tall and human-adjacent. hrm.
oh my god why are we rolling so shit today. time to stealth away and hope we dont get casually dismembered
k: jorb's hair is so long... leo: K, PLEASE,
time for a break! i am very tired but im gonan see if i can push through a little further. nyx is petting his cat why do orangatangs look like that
first watch is thorne and sieron! have they even, like, talked thorne unhabby ): thorne's worried we were tresspassing when checking out the statue, meanwhile im thinking about that one time when sieron got bit by a groundhog
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(oh my god this is from late 2018)
leomund's tiny hut, aka the anti-sea bear circle we are getting SO much mileage out of the tiny hut. SILJE HUMS A SONG WITH KALI cute........... FINALLY I HAVE ROLLED ABOVE A 14 wait no i rolled a 16 twice. anyway we are not dead
nearly at camp vengenace! boy howdy i hope camp vengeance didnt get burned down. AH FUCK TAURE IS UNCONSCIOUS SO WE CANT CAST FOR DETECT POISON kaepora nearly made us all shit ourselves but its okay he just saw some bison and thought it was cool Michael Is Consulting Several Tables
WHY DOES JORB'S CAMERA ZOOM LIKE THAT why am i hungry. i have so many questions
HEY, TALL GUY [smacks sieron]
camp vengeance looks better! like, nobody's Obviously Sick anymore, the medical tents arent overfilled, we did it! we saved the dayyyyyy time to report to ryder! taure's getting dropped off at the medical tent
man remember when charlie didnt wear pants
oh man, with taure unconscious charlie is now taking point with social interaction. wild. jk im making jorb do it bc im tired HAHA NAT 20 PERSUASION BC OF ME HELPIN SIERON man ryder is such a cock. he was totally ready to keep throwing troops at heaven's brazier to die until we managed to persuade him out of it. jorb: did we tell ryder about the vision? michael: you kinda just took a look at him and went STINKY BOY!
okay yeah anything that dies on arvus will just pop back up as undead. man, arvus sucks.
ryder: alright, dismissed. charlie: seeya, soldier boy! :D hahahahaha im gonna eat his knees.
SILJE NEEDS ENRICHMENT IN HIS ENCLOSURE
charlie: ive decided he sucks. silje: we've already arrived to that, you're late!
LMAO WE WALKED IN ON INGRID AND HER CRUSH they fuckin. nice. you go, you funky lesbian
jorb: we've got the tiny hut, we could go anywhere leo: we could go to SPACE! nyx: we could not go to space. leo: WITH A TINY HUT STAIRCASE, WE CAN,
we are 320 miles away from the spaceship that exists on arvus. nice.
michael: justin sees you-- roll a strength saving throw. leo: i cant wait to die! [rolls a 3] I AM CRUSHED BY MY DOG michael: he rolled a nat20.
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BOSS ENCOUNTER: CHARLIE'S DOG (the small circle next to him is one of the medical tents.)
THORNE IS PACT OF THE GUN solar: PARRY THIS, YOU FUCKING CASUAL
sieron, to ingrid: seems like youve been doing well charlie: i punch sieron. sieron: sieron: the camp, of course.
man we have no idea if the heart of arvus is actually related to the prophecy or not. theres a Lot of stuff lining up, but not enough, and its hard to say how much of it couldve been literal?
solar & michael: [discussing exposition] me: [cracking up bc penn sent me a funny dsmp joke]
prophecies are weird.
charlie is just s she is just sitting here SILJE PLAYED CARDS REALLY GOOD AT ME nyx rolled a nat20 and took all my money
oh cool we can talk to yrel telepathically! time to hoist yrel. THIS IS SO SCUFFED thorne mentioned yrel and now we're trying to explain to ingrid that we have a magic talking snake charlie: I WANT TO GO HOME. thorne: we cant go, we have a GOD-KING to kill! "i think theyre insane, theyre talking to a snake" "ingrid, druids exist" "oh. im gonna go back to getting railed by my 7 foot tall girlfriend"
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