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nevermeyers · 2 years
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tiny haru is so cute 😭✨
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kantomanji · 2 years
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shinichiro and his mom are twins :(
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sobbing and throwinf up fr
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wearepurplejackets · 2 years
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God Mikey, I think you are misunderstanding your own past, my boy.
I mean, look, he says: "My mother only talked about my father all the time."
But also Mikey just before that: "Hey mom, did dad cried or whatever??"
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I'm like 100% sure Mikey was the one who never stopped asking about his father, so that's why his mother talked and talked about him. He probably was anxious to know more about the father he never had, it's a pretty common thing. He was pretty lost to find himself too. But Mikey, as small as he was can't realize in that moment.
He even said he was going to be like his dad, not only to protect his mother but to be as the man that made her mother smile everytime Mikey asked about him...
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beolh · 2 years
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animekingfans · 2 years
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TOKYO REVENGERS 263
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bebesanzu · 2 years
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⚠️tokyo revengers chapter 263 spoilers⚠️
mention: this was made before the release of the chapter
after a while I'm back to discuss about the spoilers because this chapter seems really interesting
I love backstories, especially the ones in tr so of course I had to talk a bit about these spoilers
get ready to listen to my long ass rant also please excuse the possible mistakes I had troubles in writing this sooo
btw the spoilers are not in a specific order
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the title of the chapter is "Be strong" so is kinda easy to assume that it is gonna tell mikey's story
here we have little mikey( he's so adorable ) with a man who is probably his father
now addressing the elephant in the room. yes, as others, I also thought that mikey's dad(?) looks like takemichi. and of course I wasn't the only one and of course people went crazy. and out of this whole mess we have( I think ) two big theories:
the first one and the most controversial one is that mikey's dad might be takemichi's dad. i've seen lots of reactions, some people liking it and thinking that it makes sense and some really being against it
I don't wanna give my opinion about this one bc we don't have enough info and it's too early to assume. I don't think it's a bad theory but it really has some controversial parts as in takemichi almost sleeping with emma ( bc it would make emma and michi related )
the second theory it will be that this man is not mikey's father and that he is in fact takemichi's (which could justify takemichi's curls and looks)
honestly I don't think so just because later on we see mikey with his mom (an ill woman) so I believe that you know while she was at the hospital mikey's father was taking care of him and shinichiro. and this is basically mikey's origin story so it makes more sense for the man to be HIS father. now idk
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this is the spoiler where he appears with his mom
ngl I don't have too much to say about it just that is cute and sad at the same time. mikey was probably talking about his day/how his days went and she seems to be genuinely listening to him😭
i'm so sorry for mikey my baby :(((
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the third spoiler shows us haruchiyo and baji
HARUCHIYO MY BABY LOOK AT HIM HE'S SO ADORABLE I WANNA CRY
the way he smiles🥹🥹 he looks so happy tho I cannot understand why but I really love the vibe he gives off
and his fit is so cute, he looks like a school boy and so elegant and he's letting his hair grow <33(you can tell i'm really happy)
now haruchiyo still has the patches at the corner of his mouth so it means that his scars are STILL NOT HEALED. which just makes me wonder even more: how deep was his injury?
we have baji who looks...shocked? disgusted? worried? I can't tell but this specific panel makes me think about the circumstances of this meeting. I suppose they have met mikey here so... why it looks like they haven't seen each other for a while? and why is that? did they distanced themselves from mikey or did something else happen?
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we have these 2 panels which show us what happened on that day
as you can see mikey doesn't have blood on his hands
this makes me think about a theory that was left behind long time ago but it seems that it is surfacing again in the fandom, the theory about haruchiyo hurting himself. like it really is weird for me that haruchiyo touches his fresh scars. it doesn't make any sense like wouldn't it hurt even more?? like you shouldn't be doing this you can get them infected
my baby is crying but he keeps smiling and I really don't understand anything😭😭
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next spoiler is with mikey and draken my babies(they're my fav duo)
I kinda don't understand what's going on like they also look shocked but why? okay maybe draken was shocked by mikey but mikey?? was he shocked by draken? or what?😭😭
I wonder if here they met with sanzu and baji yk it could make sense but I don't think they are in the same zone? or idk i mean draken,mikey and baji end up going to the same school sooo
anyways I just love how this panel is draken's flashback from when they met for the first time but from mikey's perspective💗
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we have this panel that looks really similar to the one we saw in draken's flashback. here mikey so probably explaining that he can fight and stuff
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we also have a panel of what ppl think baby mikey because that seems to be his blanket
i don't have too much to say about this mikey is probably talking about himself(or the narrator)
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and the last panel(which is not but) with mikey crying bc he lost his mom :(((
I love to see that he is showing emotion
tho I can't get over the fact that he really looks like chifuyu in this XD tho it's kinda clear that is mikey cuz eye color
conclusion: mikey is a natural blondie🥳
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bloominstorm · 2 years
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Now that I think about it since Mikey doesn’t seem to have his own set personality independent from the people in his life and has always been about being strong, it makes me wonder how he’ll deal with losing a fight. I know Draken said it would be nice if Mikey could see defeat but now that we have apart of his backstory I wonder if defeat would make Mikey spiral even more..? All he’s known is being strong. He’s NEVER lost a fight. And we see now he prides himself and bases his worth off his strength, so how will someone like him who’s already mentally fragile react when they indeed lose..?
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sasukeofcolor · 2 years
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Mikey says he hates weak guys and loves strong guys, but when he sees Takemichi for the second time, he asks Takemichi to join him because "there are lots of strong guys but not many guys who will stand up to anyone for what they don't want to give up" so we really do see Drakens influence on Mikey :,)
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Tokyo Revengers 263 Thoughts
(Spoilers for Tokyo Revengers Chapter 263)
- Slower chapter this week. I enjoyed getting to see Mikey’s father, even for just a panel.
- I like the symbolism of being a cry baby that comes up again in Tokyo Revengers. Crying isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of passionate emotion, like loss and love. Also it brings us back to the idea that not all strength is physical. Will power is strength as well, and that’s what Takemichi has shown through the series.
- Seeing young Baji and Sanzu interacting is odd. It’s cool, but I would’ve have thought to see it.
- The end kind of rehashing the first meeting of Mikey and Draken from Mikey’s perspective is cool, though we only see a glimpse of it. More will come next chapter.
- I assume this is supposed to tell the origin of Mikey’s dark impulses, but it’s not really all that clear from this chapter alone.
- I wonder if Shinichiro will be more prevalent in the next part. I had to believe he’s a reason Mikey things of him so fondly after learning young Mikey really hates weak guys.
- I’m not thrown off by a flashback chapter, but I am a little disoriented by the structure of this chapter, like I would’ve preferred it to either focus on Mikey parents or focus on or go straight into meeting Draken for the first time. The chapter does have a unifying theme, but it’s a little splintered to me.
- As a quick aside, I do like the chapter, and when I write criticism, I’m not trying to bash anything. These posts really help me feel out why I like or don’t like certain elements, plots points, or why I love them. It just helps me process what I read. And I enjoy it.
- And as always, young Mikey is cute as hell lol
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souyasbabyy · 2 years
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i'm so soft right now baby mikey 🤧🤧 and shinichiro wearind turtle neck the way he loko so much like his mother break my heart
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nevermeyers · 2 years
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The blood on Mikey's hands. An analysis of the veracity of Senju's testimony and ch 263
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Blessed Jesus Christ, Wakui never tires of playing with us 😩 Well, this is a little analysis of Senju's testimony regarding the plane crash from the perspective of the Psychology of Testimony + some views about ch 263
Disclaimer: I'm not an expert on the subject, but the information contained herein is true. My intention is not to give a definitive explanation, but rather an analysis through the application of the criteria of the psychology of testimony, a branch of psychology that today is used to analyze testimonies of crimes and that tries to make aware both policemen and judges that testimonies are something completely complex and complicated, influenced by many factors. Finally, let us remember that both psychology and psychiatry, as well as the social sciences, say that the human being is not determined, but rather conditioned.
At the end of almost each section of explanations is the comparison with the manga. Annotations about the manga in the explanation text are in pink
Enjoy! <3
First of all, what is the psychology of testimony?
The psychology of testimony applies knowledge about the basic psychological processes of attention, perception, memory and related processes to obtain and assess testimonial evidence.
The topics covered are:
Factors that influence the accuracy of the testimonies, which can affect the process of encoding, storage and retrieval of the memory.
Procedures for obtaining declarations that allow the greatest possible amount of accurate information to be obtained, without negative influences. We'll later talk about the procedure that Senju uses
Evaluation of the credibility of the testimony, which represents a traditional demand by Law and Psychology (develop methods of detecting false testimony)
Identification tests, carried out by witnesses to assess accuracy, with two objectives: to avoid or minimize some mistakes they make; and properly assess the performance of witnesses.
The Psychology of Testimony integrates the field of investigation of the memory of witnesses, in which two fundamental terms stand out: accuracy and credibility.
Accuracy: the objective is to see if the witness is accurate and if his testimony is consistent with reality.
Credibility: if what the witness says is believed to be what really happened. In the judicial field, both the accuracy and the credibility attributed to the witness' statement are essential. Analyzing the degree of credibility attributed to the witness' statement is important, for example, in the case of honest and dishonest witnesses. So credibility is an inference, a subjective estimate of the estimated accuracy of a witness's statements.
It involves exploring two aspects:
The motivation that the informant may have to lie. Senju would apparently have no motivation to lie.
if he doesn't appear to be lying and that what he says is worth taking into account, how accurate can his statement be with respect to what actually happened? We need to see more about how memory works. This will be explained in next point
In this sense, a testimony can be reliable and accurate, but there are other important characteristics, such as:
Little disclaimer!: I've used the accident as an example for this definitions. Some things are invented to show it better!!🚫
Richness of the testimony: “I remember that it was summer, that Baji was wearing a black t-shirt and I was dressed in white; Haruchiyo still had short hair; they were in the garden, which has a shed in the back, and to one side there was a small fountain where there were birds playing. It was hot, that's why we were all wearing short sleeves, and our older brothers were inside drinking beers and smoking on a colored checkered chair”
Usefulness of the testimony: “Haruchiyo said it wasn't his fault. Then, Mikey attacked him."
Analysis of the manga at this point
We must ask ourselves, can Senju have any motivation to lie? Keep in mind that neither this arc nor the manga are finished and that Senju is a character that we have seen little in relation to this. She appears to be a girl looking to reunite her family and she believes that what happened is her fault.
Personally, I think that what she says about wanting to defeat Manjiro is a lie, and that her real motivation from the beginning was to bring Haruchiyo back.
With this Senju would apparently have no motivation to lie. She and Haruchiyo met in the fight and she made her intentions clear. We'll talk about later about Haru.
Senju's testimony is more useful than rich. We find it rich and useful because we have a flashback of what she was doing, of the full context, but it is referenced that what she told Takemichi was clear and concise, without unnecessary details.
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Basic aspects of how memory functions
» Capture-encoding process:
Our attentional and perceptive processing system processes, selects and encodes information from the environment (external environment) and from the organism (internal environment). It has a limited capacity (it doesn't capture all the existing information, only that which it is capable of processing and that is selected for subsequent encoding)
This perceptual selection, automatic and not conscious, depends on:
Characteristics of the stimuli to be processed, such as color, intensity, size, or movement.
Situation or context, where the stimuli are produced (lightness or distance).
Characteristics and state of activation of the subject, such as anxiety, motivation or prior knowledge.
» Retention-storage process:
The stimuli interact with the previous information, stored in the form of mental schemes. These are interpreted, encoded and stored until retrieved. During this time, the information may undergo alterations/reconstructions due to the passage of time or the incorporation of new information.
» Recovery process:
How to access this information? It depends on contextual and personal factors that will facilitate that recovery.
Memory could be affected by failures in one of the phases. Memory failures are due to bad encodings or difficulties in accessing retrieval or constructions that modify the original information, making it compatible with our prior knowledge.
» Errors of commission and omission:
Memory reconstruction can produce two different types of memory errors:
Errors of omission: lack of important details in what the witnesses of an event say (forgetting, concealment). This could very well have happened. She came after Mikey assaulted Haruchiyo, so we don't have details. She is only a witness after the event, not during it.
Errors of commission: witnesses introduce false information, deliberately (lie) or due to the effect of: post-event information, flaws in the distinction between reality and fantasy, wrong inferences. Let's rule out Senju lying.
Analysis of the manga at this point
Well, let's start from the basis that each and every one of the memories we have could be a lie. Yeah, that easy.
Memory changes over time and memories change in turn, so it is difficult to have a pure memory that hasn't been "contaminated". In the same way we have been able to go through traumatic events that we will never remember, unless we have the correct trigger. The latter is related to defense mechanisms.
I remember a psychology professor told us in class that he had a girl as a patient who never knew she had been raped. A man who was with her on public transport was wearing the same perfume that her rapist was wearing years before. She remembered it all in a flash and had to get out of the subway, with a panic attack. Why am I telling this? To give a crude example of how our own brain can manipulate us
Senju is not a completely direct witness to what happened. She came later. It's easy for her brain to assume that Mikey was the aggressor. Why? Because it makes perfect sense. Mikey's expression invites us to think that it was him, his tone of voice I imagine will be threatening, he is in front of his victim, he has every reason to be singled out as an aggressor.
And the blood? Senju may have assumed that it was in Mikey's hands and so it stayed in his memory, or was added later. She never explicitly says that Mikey attacked Haruchiyo, she just describes the scene pointing out where each of the boys was and that there was blood on Mikey's hands.
On the other hand, the blood could have been there perfectly.
However, even in one of Senju's memories, Mikey is bloodless. When he meets his brother, there is no blood on Mikey's hands, whereas in the first flashback we were shown there was. Her own memories fail and we don't know which is the correct version.
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It could also be that the scene is drawn from afar, but I'm not sure, Wakui would have had no problem putting stains on Mikey's little hands
Later we'll talk about Mikey's POV, because his memories can also be manipulated. We will also talk about who is the perfect witness of what happened.
Coding factors regarding the event's characteristics
There are so many, but I chose a few of them
Duration of the event: the less time to perceive and assimilate information, the less later the memory will be. With complex events we tend to overestimate time. The greater the stress, the greater the overestimation of time. We don't know how long it was from when Senju witnessed it until Shin and Takeomi found out and took Haruchiyo to the hospital. The accident is not just the assault, it is the whole set of events, from the beginning to the end. The end would be the arrival at the hospital, or, in the event that something else happened there (mikey apologizing, perhaps, or something similar) then that would be when it was all over.
Familiarity and frequency: the greater the familiarity with certain details of the scene (the environmental context), the more attention can be paid to the rest of the details (the perpetrator), increasing the quality and quantity of memory. However, this factor is in turn subordinated to others, such as the excitement generated or the role played. It also occurs when describing a car by a mechanic or a gun by a hunter. Senju was a little girl. I doubt that she has witnessed violence anywhere other than movies or manga. This can lead to not paying attention to some details
When a witness or victim is the repeated object of a crime, they tend to remember more details but more errors of commission occur, the result of interference between the different situations in which they suffered the crime, incorporating information from one and the other.
Violence of the event: there is a belief that the more violent an event is, the more impact it causes on the witness and the better the memory of it will be. However, it has been found that crimes involving a higher degree of violence are remembered worse than more neutral ones.
The witness experiences more stress the more violence the event involves and stress negatively affects the cognitive processes of attention, perception and memory. Greater emotional involvement conditions memory.
Each person codifies the information and interprets it according to their previous experiences and personal variables.
Gender: Cognitive processes are universal. In general, gender doesn't affect the memory of witnesses.
Age: there is a belief that children are considered "bad" witnesses due to their inventive capacity or their cognitive development, and as "good" witnesses due to their ability to tell the truth innocently. We'll see how it really is next:
3-5 years: increased risk of suggestion and implantation of false memories due to difficulties in distinguishing the origin of memories (imagination or reality). More sensitive to forgetfulness and greater risk of giving in to adult suggestions
5-12 years: they do not lie or fabricate more than adults, they can be as precise and detailed as the testimony of adults interviewed by experts. They put the focus of attention on aspects other than the adult. The smallest ones have a statement quality similar to the adult but with less detail. Around the age of 12 it is equated to the testimony of an adult. Senju's testimony would be equated to an adult's testimony. She was about six years old when everything happened, if I remember correctly.
Expectations and stereotypes: when a witness cannot specify a piece of information, they resort to stereotypes before admitting it to the police. When we expect to see a certain thing, whether or not it is present, it is very likely that we will seem to see it (influence of knowledge and experience before and after the event). You see person 1 bleeding. You see person 2 apparently angry. With this information your brain can assume and insert into the memory that person 2 must have been responsible. It is an induction process. Human beings work that simple
Anxiety and emotion: Memories of traumatic events that generate intense fear or terror, in which life is felt to be threatened, are characterized by poor accuracy for peripheral details and clear and accurate memory for central details of the event.
A high level of arousal causes a decrease in attention span. In addition, traumatic memories can appear fragmented, associated with intense sensations (smells, sounds, touch) and very visual and be difficult to express in a narrative way. Although these types of memories are not so different, they vary depending on age, gender and/or the presence of psychopathologies.
Accuracy of traumatic memories: studies on traumatic memories highlight the belief that the more violent an event is, the more impact it will have and the better its memory will be. Research indicates that events involving a greater degree of violence are remembered worse due to the stress experienced, which negatively affects cognitive processes such as attention, perception and memory.
Obtaining testimony
Statement taking helps improve the quality of testimony. It has two main objectives: obtaining information and identifying the offender. The different procedures (narrative format, cognitive interview and interrogation format. Not gonna explain all of them)
The closest format to what Senju did is the narrative format. She explained it without anyone asking her one question after another (that would be done in an interrogation) and without asking her to remember specific things. She gives a complete narrative.
Definition below:
Narrative format: the witness is asked to recount what happened freely and without interruption (it is recommended to start with this format). There is less probability of error and greater accuracy, but it has the disadvantage that it is poor in detail.
About lying in testimonies
Throughout the study of lies, it has been pointed out that one way to catch them is through a person's body language. However, this option isn't valid, because cultural and personal variables are involved. As for the lie detector, that's straight up a lie. The lie detector doesn't detect lies, it detects physiological responses associated with lying such as heart rate and sweating. That's why it isn't usually admitted in judicial contexts
But.
A person who deliberately offers a false testimony wouldn't introduce this content, because it would undermine credibility:
Spontaneous corrections
Admission of lack of memory
Raise doubts about one's own testimony
Self-disapproval: senju blames herself over and over again.
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Forgive the offender: We don't know anything about how exactly Senju feels towards Mikey. During the battle of the three deities it's referenced that she's afraid of him, but we don't know if she hates him or if he has simply forgiven him in the same way that he expected Haruchiyo to forgive her. But she truly wanted to solve things.
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About ch 263
Senju said Mikey and Haru changed. Really? Why? Haruchiyo made it clear that she didn't understand. It was just a trigger.
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However, when we see Baji and Haruchiyo, apparently a month after the accident (Haru's hair has grown quite a bit, so we'll assume a month passed) they are still as enthusiastic as ever. The only one who seems to have changed is Manjiro. He looks more violent and duller. You just have to look at the conversation they have
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“As expected” they're used to Mikey being violent and beating up people out there. Baji seems surprised, but Haru seems... Proud?
I'm not saying Haruchiyo hasn't changed. Only he didn't do it as radically as Senju implies when he tells what happened. Perhaps that change was gradual, exploding upon reaching adolescence.. Anyway, we don't have Haru's POV and that makes me desperate
Mikey's mother's death happened before the accident. This may have been the trigger for his violent attitudes to begin to overflow.
From my point of view, Mikey was never himself, he only imitated the behaviors that he considered good. A child learns by imitating behavior, yeah, but Mikey took it differently. In addition, the lack of good and alive lmao references could have made this worse. I think part of Mikey projects himself to others. He hates weak people. He considers himself weak, hates himself for it, and has an overwhelming need to prove himself wrong over and over again, perhaps to gain validation or not feel bad about being weak.
In any case, we still have little information about the accident. What happened after? How did Takeomi take it? Shinichiro scolded his brother? How was the home of the Akashi from then on? Takeomi would scold Haru too?
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Back to this. In Mikey's memories he doesn't have blood on his hands. Having seen everything above about the psychology of testimony, this can be due to multiple factors and we have two options:
There really was no blood on his hands. He isn't guilty and Senju's memory failed. What happened? Wakui, explain☠️. Maybe something supernatural related to time travel
There is blood and he is guilty, although in his memories he doesn't have it. Why would this happen? Because Mikey wouldn't be able to blame himself for something so brutal. Defense mechanisms. The same ones that led Kazutora to blame Mikey for Shinichiro's death, because his brain didn't want to process that he had killed him. His brain was protecting him from himself and this could be the case with Mikey as well.
Wakui forgot to draw the damn blood ☠️
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Do you know who could have the best testimony?
Baji. I think his testimony would be more reliable than Senju's (she is only a witness after the event, not during it), and Sanzu (his memories could be influenced by his obsession with mikey). Even if he could be influenced by all the factors we've seen and the ones we haven't, his version could be pretty reliable.
But he's a bit — ☠️
Anyway, I think that would be all that can be squeezed out of this case. Don't hesitate to give your opinion, correct me if I have forgotten something, and if you even find any misspelling!
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peyotepie · 2 years
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Mikey’s childhood paints an interesting picture to his upbringing. He only started getting these violent tendencies / having that strange mean streak after his mother passed. He valued being strong bc its was a defining memory w his father, who strangely looks like takemichi (just me?). Anyways. I thought the retconning of his childhood friends including haruchiyo was interesting. He’s scarring pretty well, and seems to have forgiven him for permanently injuring him. I wonder if haru had to go into speech therapy treatment for those unhealed scars.
Mikey’s mom really loves her (exP)husband for someone who cheated on her. I’m guessing when he was in America, he conceived Emma and then felt terrible for cheating on his children’s mother (if they were even together) that he bought his son an action figure as a consolation. I really have no idea. I’m guessing Mikey was always blonde though. Not sure if it comes from his father or what. Anyway, I’m off this. Lmk your thots
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dabilove27 · 2 years
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I am losing my ever-loving mind over the new TR chapter. Be prepared I am never going to shut up about this.
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kuwupikaa · 2 years
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Idk if anyone noticed but. Mikey distancing himself from his family to cry alone. And Mikey, years later, distancing himself from Toman members after Draken almost died to cry alone. He just keeps putting on a brave front for other people huh. :)
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bloominstorm · 2 years
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I keep thinking about it and Mikey is truly a confusing character. You think you got him figured out and shit then he turns around and contradicts things with his actions. His subsequent detachment and violence could’ve been explained by his constant loss of important people in his life and honestly being raised with no proper morals (aka looking up to his brother who was a gang member.) Like he loss the most important people in his life so he clung tightly to the loved ones he still had despite them doing him dirty (Baji, Peh, etc.) but when he clung to them he realized it put them in danger not only because of his enemies but because of himself so he made them hate him and distanced himself. Literally all understandable because he just wants to protect them at the end of the day BUT THEN he turns around and decides to wipe them out and give his lackeys the green light to kill them…. and he links up with the person who’s had a hand in literally all of the deaths/attempted murders of his loved ones - Hanma. He literally set Draken up to be killed, turned Peh against him, got in Kazutoras head and made him kill Baji, was involved in the Black Dragons fight where Takemichi, Chifuyu, Hakkai and Mitsuya almost died, and was an accomplice in the murder of his LITTLE SISTER. Like does this make sense?
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letmebesworld · 2 years
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So... You're telling me that Mikey's Dark Impulses are just toxic masculinity kajhahahahahahjajajaa. I'm dying sorry. "I hate weak guys" dude, that's not a good explanation you're just make in it worse.
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