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bizarrequazar · 2 years

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I’m procrastinating work, so here’s a non-exhaustive list of some Really Gay details and bts-leaks in Word of Honor that newer fans might not be aware of 🌈🌈🌈 Some footage is not linked because they’re leaks that the ops asked to not be reposted and/or the footage has been taken down (or I’ve just lost it), but I promise all of these are confirmed.

The poetry Wen Kexing recites as Zhou Zishu rides away on the boat in ep.2 was written by a man about his favourite courtesan

The slutty little hand caress when Zhou Zishu takes the wine from Wen Kexing in ep.3 was Zhang Zhehan’s suggestion

Wen Kexing’s original line when he was telling Zhou Zishu what the Drunk Like a Dream made him see was that he had seen himself and “the person in his heart” having sex on their wedding night. Also Wen Kexing leaning in and covering them with the fan while saying this was Zhang Zhehan’s suggestion

The full cut of the poison-sucking scene includes lips touching skin

The original script included Wen Kexing trying to get Zhou Zishu to admit he’s attractive

A scene was filmed where Wen Kexing sings the “只愿君心似我心，定不负相思意” (“As long as your heart is as mine is, these feelings will not be in vain”) line from the novel to Zhou Zishu

In ep.18, Wen Kexing calls Zhou Zishu “Husband Zhou”. What’s more, the full quote is from a very erotic classic novel where it then leads into a sex scene

Many people have commented that the rolling-in-the-grass scene in ep.18 can be read as a sex allegory. Note that this is also the scene where Zhou Zishu cuts Wen Kexing’s sleeve 😏

The hug scene in ep.20 also included Zhou Zishu pressing their foreheads together (we’ve had like five different leaks of this by now lol)

The original take of the “live or die together” scene (I hope everyone knows this one by now)

Ever notice the very sudden cut in ep.31? It seems the director called cut because it looked like Zhang Zhehan was about to go in for a kiss.

The full cut of the scene where Wen Kexing falls off the cliffs had Zhou Zishu smile before jumping after him

The original cut of the “there’s a light on you” scene had Zhou Zishu catch Wen Kexing’s hand

Some of the “random” seal script characters floating around during the dual cultivation scene are “cauldron” (used in some danmei wuxia as an allegory for bottoming, interchangable with furnace) and “birth”. Make of that what you will.

Wen Kexing mouths “爱你” to Zhou Zishu during the dual cultivation scene

The final scene in ep.36 was completely changed in the dubbing. The real dialogue (figured out through lipreading) had Chengling say that when two people “who fully recognize each other as zhiji and who truly love each other” practice the Combined Six Cultivations Art, they’ll be able to hold each other in balance and support each other through the hardest parts (aka how Wen Kexing survived)

A “bad end” version of the epilogue was filmed. It’s a bit devastating.

Bonus non-wenzhou one: Xie’er’s original line (figured out through lipreading) after he kills the disciple in the bamboo forest is “The one at his [Zhao Jing’s] pillow will be me.”

#This is me telling new fans to watch the bts if you haven't #Word of Honor #woh bts #my woh tag

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hattedhedgehog · 1 year

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Leader of Tian Chuang

Chief of Ghost Valley

King of the Poisonous Scorpions

Immortal of Mt Changming

At long last, my set of 4 Word of Honor character studies in Posca is complete! Even though there was a long break between Ye Baiyi and the other 3, this was always intended to be a collection of 4 ‘contrasts’ and I’m pleased that I was able to finish his piece.

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[Four diagonally split posca marker illustrations, depicting Zhou Zishu, Wen Kexing and Xie’er from Word of Honor. One side has their a darker persona and the other has their pleasant and cheerful persona.

Dark ZZS has a blue and black colour scheme with orange lanterns behind him and he holds his sword; light ZZS has a light grey and purple colour scheme, with a background of trees and mountains.

Light WKX has a colour scheme of teal and pink against a yellow sunlit lake, and holds his xiao. Dark WKX has a red and navy colour scheme and holds a bloody-tipped fan; the twisted tree of the ghost valley throne room is behind him.

Light Xie’er has a pink and blue colour scheme against the cozy yellow of Zhao Jing’s manor, and he holds a wine cup; dark Xie’er has a green and black colour scheme with hints of red, and he holds a bloodied scorpion blade.

Dark YBY is depicted in blues, greys and whites with black hair, making his way morosely through the snow. The Changqing sword is on his back and he is completely alone. Light YBY is sitting in a bustling vibrant marketplace, eating noodles. He dressed in more elaborate robes and has white hair now. He is smiling to himself, knowing that the food he is enjoying is bringing him closer to death and his departed loved ones.

#word of honor #zhou zishu #wen kexing #ye baiyi #scorpion king #xie'er #my art #posca #shan he ling #my SHL art #my danmei art

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misspermitted · 11 months

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My fav memes from WOH pt 3 (yes I’m still on this)

I need myself more unrequited Han Ying content the silly boy

The exact ‘living at Four Seasons Manor’ dynamic

Ye Baiyu: no wait-

Just bestie things

Someone has ✨issues✨

Literally me when he was introduced, Xie’er my beloved

#woh #word of honour #word of honor #woh memes #wen Kexing #Zhou Zishu #Han ying #ye baiyu

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thatswhatsushesaid · 11 months

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100% agreed about people thinking jgy is zhao jing - i had the exact same thought when i watched. also it's wild to me that so many of the same people who go on and on about how jgy is irredeemable love wenzhou and make every possible excuse for them. protag privilege i guess!

yeah are we forgetting the part where wen kexing just skinned his predecessor alive and contributed to the unjust downfall of an objectively good and honest man? several of them? “oh but he feels badly about it!!” oh well in that case—

(also before anyone decides to @ me, i love wen kexing, but i don’t think that makes his grisly murders any less grisly. let him own the blood on his hands, he worked hard for it)

also let me be clear: i would kill for wang ruolin and the passion he brings to zhao jing on screen, 100/10 wang ruolin, he is a gift and i am never going to stop feeling a little unhinged about the moment we see him literally pissing on the memorial tablets of his dead sworn brothers. like that is a man who has been so totally consumed and destroyed by his own grudges that he does not care about anyone or anything in his life anymore except proving to people who are already dead (because of him!!) that they were wrong to belittle and demean him. he has a deeply sympathetic origin story and by the end has absolutely become a villain you want to see get his comeuppance, even as you find yourself moved by his displays of humanity in private moments.

because unlike with jin guangyao, zhao jing is objectively guilty of every crime he is accused of, and has delighted in fooling the people around him about this fact for literal decades. we know this because he tells us in his naughty boy villainous soliloquies! and even if we believe that he does feel genuine affection for xie’er and luo fumeng (which i do—at least with xie’er), he still betrays or intends to betray them both, and i think if he regained control of his faculties (rather than dying ignobly outside the armoury) probably the first thing he’d do is put his hands around xie’er’s throat and kill him.

unlike jgy, whose last act in his life is to save the life of the man who stabs him through the heart.

#asks answered #jin guangyao #zhao jing #word of honor #mdzs #mdzs meta #woh meta

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tbgkaru-woh · 1 year

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80s AU featuring Rong ChangQing, Ye Baiyi and Xie’er

#word of honor #ye baiyi #rong changqing #xie wang #my art #rongye #yexie #modern AU

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mikkaeus · 1 month

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this fic (The golden robe. by orange_crushed) is actually so fucking good, it’s like canon divergence post canon, xie’er is emperor, thirty seven, and so so tired, du pusa is still his right hand, zhao jing is still in the paralysis he put him in and he’s trying to get him out, yby has been imprisoned by xie’er for nearly a decade in a tower but he’s still his incorrigible self, xie’er has a baby ✨SON✨ (it’s perhaps like. 1/6 a kid fic. it contains multitudes)

like the world building is so good, the characters are compelling & the power dynamic between yby and xie’er is so crunchy .

also VIOLENCE and GORE

also xie’er POV my love

also it has some really fucking funny moments

#yexie #word of honor #shl #my fic rec

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pastelcheckereddreams · 1 year

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(I hope you don’t mind the tag @deepestbluesky, I was going to just reblog the original thread with an addition but then it got too long.)

I’ve just rewatched episode 28 and I think you’re right, there HAS to have been a bigger plot for JW, and now my brain is whirring. I’m just going to ramble:

JW initially looks genuinely concerned for HY as HY appears injured on the stretcher. When HY says he was ambushed and all his men were killed (which we will later learn, HY did himself), JW looks taken aback and immediately breaks eye contact to start thinking about all the potential threats to him and his men.

HY overplays the loyalty card a little here, but JW still seems to not suspect HY. Until the moment he asks HY who killed all his men, and HY says “The Scorpion.”

Because what HY doesn’t know - and we won’t know until later in the episode - is that JW has DPJ seeking out the Scorpion as a potential ally, to use his Drug Men, and that ZJ and Xie’er are also looking to fully secure their own ties with JW through the Scorpion.

I think DPJ is in JW’s ear about the Scorpion, and so JW has confidence that the Scorpion wouldn’t just move against him like HY is suggesting. Especially when HY then mentions that they may have a spy, and that “Leader Duan is not in the city right now.” You can see that JW has just been letting HY talk in order for him to reveal his full hand:

When HY targets DPJ directly, that’s when JW springs his trump: “Peng Ju is on the way to Jiangnan to look for you.” HY immediately defers to JW’s authority, and I think he knows he’s overplayed his hand at this point.

When he is reunited with ZZS later, he will tell ZZS that he killed his own men in order to hide the information of ZZS’s whereabouts, and framed the Scorpion. But “it’s a pity that it could only be hidden from Prince Jin for a short while.”

In short, I think HY has felt the trap closing in on him for a long while - under suspicion for his loyalty to ZZS, and unsure who is his enemy within the WOH because JW has been suspeting that ZZS still has “alternate plans” against him (when actually, ZZS has nothing of the sort, and HY is a wildcard acting on his own).

There is also the mention of the letter regarding the murder of ZZS’s father (I’m not sure if it is a callback to Qi Ye because I still haven’t read it) which plays nicely into the overarching themes of loyalty and lineage and sins of the previous generation carried by their decendents, but doesn’t really have any bearing on thie main plot concerning the Armory.

Which brings us back to the plothole that is: why does HY have this piece of Glazed Armor? Why bother stealing it from JW when HY tells us he fled because he could no longer hide his loyalties? Well, in his own words, “I wanted to find something useful for you before my escape.”

Which is so very Ying’er, granted, but it just... feels too convenient for getting DPJ and the WOH to ZZS’s doorstep in essentially a single step. JW even says, of either HY or the Glazed Amour HY is setting in play by carrying it out into the jianghu, “With such big bait, imagine how many big fishes it will lure for me.”

And then HY just hands it straight to ZZS, the biggest fish for JW. It may still have been the ultimate plan, but the subtext of this entire episode regarding JW and HY and DPJ is so rich with potential that is woefully unexplored.

#nikkirewatches #woh episode 28 #shl episode 28 #woh ep 28 #shl ep 28 #woh meta #it's ying'er hours #han ying #zhou zishu #jin wang #duan pengju #the way i still have a mental block on writing his name correctly

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booksandwords · 7 months

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"The first time he heard Xie’er laugh, it felt like the world froze. Everything but him ceased to exist in that brief moment, within that burst of a laugh. Everything but the soft crinkle in the corners of his eyes, the fluid and pure sound as it rings above the forgotten melody of crickets, his radiant smile breaking through the night’s inky darkness."

As Many Times As You’ll Allow by @minniedlucca

This is a YeXie fic that has a bit of a different take on the whys maybe. It uses Xie Wang's laughter as a drug that Ye BaiYi gets hooked on. I like a fresh take.

#yexie #xie wang #ye baiyi #minniedlucca #fanfic rec

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minnarr · 2 years

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Reference post: Jinwang, Zhou Zishu, and Jing Beiyuan according to Word of Honor

I started reading Qi Ye after finishing Word of Honor, and at first I approached it as potential background for Word of Honor. But the more I both read that and looked at the details given to us in Word of Honor, the more another approach made sense to me. Word of Honor takes character names and elements from Qi Ye, to be sure, but the context and details often change quite a bit. I’ve talked a little bit in a previous meta about the differences/similarities in my head between Jinwang and Helian Yi.

However, some of the differences in biographical detail stuck out so much that it occurred to me that it might be more productive (as a writer of fanfiction for Word of Honor alone) to take all of the details we’re given and apply it not to analyzing differences, but to seeing what picture the show does give us. Approached as characters independent from the source text, what can we figure out about them and the situation that made them?

That’s a lot of words to say that I’m basically just going to share my notes: what we do know, just from what’s said in the drama. Also, to preface, I know very little Chinese! I am just squirrelling away what I can from subtitles and resorting to dictionaries, so I can’t give a ton of context or analysis beyond what’s presented on a surface level and I very well may have missed or misinterpreted some things. Would love to hear about it if I have.

The Princes of Jin

To start with: Jinwang is neither an emperor nor the heir to one. This is explicit from episode 1. Our first glimpse of Zhou Zishu and Tianchuang come in a scene set at the mansion of a jiedushi. Li-daren (the jiedushi in charge, and Princess Jing’an’s father) is writing letters in haste to let others know that Jinwang is secretly training assassins in Tianchuang with the intention of killing court officials and rebelling.(1) In episode 11, when Zhou Zishu tells Chengling and Wen Kexing the truth about who he is, he says that for generations the Zhou family have followed the jiedushi of Jinzhou, which suggests to me Jinwang holds the same position that Li-daren does.

There are different kinds of princes besides heirs to emperors. In this case, it’s probably a title bestowed on one of Jinwang’s predecessors by the emperor. The Jinwang of present day is at least the second prince in his line: his father is always spoken of as either the former Jinwang (先晋王) or, in a flashback in episode 24 to a time when he was still alive, wangye (王爷). In the same flashback, Zhou Zishu addresses the man who will become Jinwang as shizi-ye (世子爷), Notably, this is not the title Helian Yi has in Qi Ye, taizi, because he’s not a Crown Prince. (It appears to be pretty consistent with what you’d call the heir to someone in Jinwang’s position).

So, what about the emperor? Well, we actually do hear a little about him when Han Ying shows up to lightly menace Gao Chong in episode 7. Gao Chong gets angry at the threats and says, Tianchuang might rule over the Northwest, but we’re in Yueyang City, under the rule of the emperor. And then we literally don’t hear anything about him. When Xie’er says in episode 34 that he plans to announce himself as the new emperor, his plan involves killing Jinwang first. Jinwang himself, in episode 1, says he plans to be emperor within the next three years. Whoever and wherever the current emperor is, it’s fairly clear that Jinwang’s expected to take his place: not as heir, but by taking power.

A dark room, and a window to heaven

The origins of Jinwang’s bid for the throne go all the way back to the time the former prince was still in charge. By all appearances, Former Jinwang was quite a volatile leader. The episode 24 flashbacks give us the story of Jinwang and Zhou Zishu’s laoshi. Former Jinwang believed slanderous rumors about laoshi and had him thrown in prison and then executed. Not only that, his body was left outside for scavengers to pick apart. Zhou Zishu promised a grieving Jinwang that he would find it and bury it properly.

Zhou Zishu’s father also met his death at Former Jinwang’s hands, as Han Ying reveals in episode 29. He found a letter in Jinwang’s study that said Zhou Zishu’s father was killed secretly for treason against Jinwang. Zhou Zishu had previously believed he died of an illness; he was Former Jinwang’s best friend and trusted subordinate.(2) With later context about Zhou Zishu’s father’s quest for the secrets in what became the World’s Armory, it seems likely he was killed for that failure.

Before dying, laoshi wrote a poem in blood on the walls of his prison. For the poem and better context on it, please check out this post. I’m not sure whether we’re supposed to believe that Tianchuang’s name is a reference to this poem, but Zhou Zishu at the start clearly believed he and Jinwang could make things better. Jinwang certainly never forgets the poem: he recites it in episode 1 as he watches Zhou Zishu ride away with the Nails in his chest.

The courtyard oath

Jinwang’s success is not his alone. He had several close friends and allies, all of whom have left him by the end of the show. The most vital of these in the drama appears to be Zhou Zishu. His Tianchuang propels him to power, and they’re also kin: Jinwang is Zhou Zishu’s older cousin of another surname (he bids Zhou Zishu to address him as 表哥, biao-ge). We don’t really know exactly how they’re related, but I would guess it’s more likely that Former Jinwang married his friend’s sister than that Zhou Zishu’s mother was Former Jinwang’s sister. Both are fun ideas to play with, though.

There are more, though! In episode 30, during what I like to think of as the Worst Wine Party Ever, Jinwang reminisces about a promise made ten years ago in Qingluan’s courtyard. All the friends there would dig up this wine and drink it together. We are treated to a vivid picture in Jinwang’s rose-tinted reminiscences: a flower-filled courtyard, with Jing Beiyuan playing the qin, Qin Jiuxiao playing xiao, Yunxing(3) doing a sword dance, and Qingluan(4) composing songs. And Zhou Zishu and Jinwang, side by side.

Of course, by the time of this reminiscing, everyone but Zhou Zishu is gone. Yunxing went far away to the borderland, Qingluan committed suicide, Jiuxiao died in a battle in Lucheng (which Jinwang orchestrated), and Jing Beiyuan...

Okay, I admit, I have not finished Qi Ye, so I have no clue how he escaped Helian Yi in the book, but this is so tasty. Jinwang apparently believes that he poisoned Beiyuan to death. Zhou Zishu brings this up straight-faced despite knowing full well Beiyuan is alive, and it seems like when Wu Xi and Beiyuan come up in the show he’s always known he was alive and just happened to lose touch. So...somehow they made that happen.

Also, I don’t really have another place to bring this up, but this thing about how they adapted Jing Beiyuan just makes me laugh. When he introduces himself in episode 30, he says that he’s the seventh child of his generation. (I guess to justify the Qi Ye title?) And I just. PLEASE. Imagine there being six more of them. Imagine Beiyuan having OLDER SIBLINGS and being the way that he is.

I’m not going to go over everything that happened with Jiuxiao, because I figure people know/remember? That’s a pretty prominent part of Zhou Zishu’s emotional journey. But if anyone doesn’t and wants an account hit me up.

Shatuo origins

I don’t really know why the show did this, but this is kind of one of the things they did that most locates Jinwang in a place very different to Helian Yi’s: they decided to give his family a non-Han origin story and use that to tie him into the World’s Armory. This comes up right at the end of the show, in episode 36, when Zhou Zishu and Jing Beiyuan discuss Jinwang’s reason for wanting the World’s Armory.

I’m going to give the untranslated subtitles here for anyone who wants to take a crack at them, along with what Netflix gives in English:

Looking back, he and I are both descendants of Shatuo.(5) Our ancestors succeeded in stopping a riot, so they were granted the national surname and were appointed as jiedushi. That’s how we got what we have today.

王爷跟我追根溯源

本是沙陀后裔

因先祖平乱有功

方才得赐国姓

官拜节度使繁衍生息

才有了而今的局面

If we go further back, our clan from this branch was the subordinate of Tuojie(6) Imperial kinsmen.

可是如果再往前论

我们族这一支实则隶属拓揭王族

The World’s Armory, it turns out, was actually originally a legendary vault among the six clans of different surnames that Jing Beiyuan and Jinwang’s families come from. The key was broken up into six pieces, which Beiyuan suggests is the five Glazed Armor pieces plus the key. It was supposed to contain the secret to a long-lasting country, which (as it turns out) is a bunch of sacks of grain and farming manuals written in Tuojie characters.(7)

It’s fairly clear that this has always been Jinwang’s pursuit (there’s a shot of him in episode 12 with an old drawing of the Glazed Armor/six keys), as well as his father’s (since the quest for it got Zhou Zishu’s father killed). So this ends up tying him a lot tighter into the whole web of nonsense around the Glazed Armor, too.

Locations

The show tells us that Jinzhou is in the Northwest during the tete-a-tete between Gao Chong and Han Ying, and elsewhere Hedong is mentioned in episode 1. Jin + Hedong seem to identify it as the area around Taiyuan; there was a Hedong circuit in the area during the Tang dynasty, as well as a state of Jin with the same character as Jinzhou in Word of Honor. Both seem to have been ruled by Li Keyong, but for that I’m relying on Wikipedia entries referencing Chinese-language sources. All of this to say, you’re probably safe setting it in modern-day Shanxi.

Some building names gotten either via Netflix subtitles or pointing my phone camera at screenshots to extract characters:

Jinwang’s palace (or possibly just the main hall) is called Lichun Palace [Hall] (黎淳殿).

After giving the Nails to Bi Changfeng, Zhou Zishu emerges from a building called Guiyun Pavilion (归云阁), presumably the same one he was just walking through with all the stone and Tianchuang guys and the dramatic skylight. Zhou Zishu’s painting with the flowers is kept in a building called Chongming Court (重明苑). This might be his home? I’m really unclear on how all this fits together.

A few aerial views for good measure:

The Tianchuang complex

The palace

Also, as a point of interest, the dragon banner does not appear to be Jinwang’s personal symbol.

This banner appears inside Lichun Palace:

This one outside Li-daren’s mansion:

And this one on the front of Guiyun Pavilion:

And I think that’s what I’ve got! Surprised how much there is on all of this in the nooks and crannies of this show.

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(1) Netflix subtitles give us a few of the addressees: the governors (taishou) of Changsha and Nanning.

(2) Also, his brother-in-law.

(3) He Yunxing is one of the conspirators in Qi Ye, and you could probably transplant who he is in that novel easily into this setting.

(5) This one line spurred so much wiki-holing and speculation about the setting for this from me. Look, I’m just saying

(4) Less so Su Qingluan of Qi Ye, a beautiful young woman who tries to and fails to ensnare Helian Yi and his party in schemes on his brother’s behalf. (And whose death, in another lifetime, was the center of the falling out between Jing Beiyuan and Helian Yi).

(6) No amount of googling has saved me. The best I can come up with is a type of warrior among the Shatuo Turks via a Baidu article I skimmed via Google translate, but that’s not at all how the show treats Tuojie. If anyone has any idea what’s going on here I would love to know.

(7) I think there’s some stuff about agrarian vs. nomadic cultures baked in here that I am not the person to address, it’s definitely A Thing I Would Like to Read Up On along with a billion other things.

#word of honor #word of honor meta #my meta

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