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#HOLGA IS KIRA’S MOM
babybirbb · 1 year
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edgin says he wanted to bring back kira’s mother only to realize he was only trying to get his wife back. but in the end, he let go of his wife so he could bring back kira’s real mother ;-;
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iwannabealice · 1 year
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simon: i think i'm bi
kira: which one?
simon: what do you mean?
kira: bisexual? bilingual? bipolar?
holga: i know
holga: a bitch
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governmentissuedclone · 3 months
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The deep, genuine, loving, completely platonic and not even remotely romantic friendship between Edgin and Holga is extremely important to me. I would die for them.
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Saw the dnd movie and have to share these parts bc i cant stop thinking about them:
1) the fat dragon
Absolute chonker
He looked like a legit rolly polly
I love him so much
2) Holga's death scene for so many reasons
how she was genuinely happy the whole time. Sang with them until the end
the call back to Ed's apology, where he differentiated between "your mom" and "my wife" when speaking about Zia. Him realizing as Holga dies that Kira's mother was Holga. Ed going through with his promise of "resurrecting your mom" with Holga instead of Zia
Also shoutout to the amazing bff (and tbh probably qpr) relationship between Ed and Holga. When ppl say they want m/f adult platonic friendships in media this is what they mean
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rhysintherain · 7 months
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Finally watched Honor Among Thieves.
Here's how I picture the players:
Holga: straight guy in his 50s. Very sweet and supportive, but if you leave him unattended for 5 minutes he'll start explaining in detail how to maintain lawn equipment to an unprepared waitress. Character voice sounds like batman.
Ed: in his 30s. Bisexual. Defining personality trait is how much he loves his wife. Probably in a band that plays a gig once every 2 years. Ed's an extremely obvious self-insert, but nobody's gonna complain because he's having so much fun.
Doric: lesbian in her late 20s. Always smiling. Very invested in her edgy baby getting a happily ever after. Has only ever played fighters and rogues before and somehow manages to use wild shape 345 times per session.
Simon: the one in the friend group who has their shit together. Has a real, grownup job. Enjoying Simon's mediocrity immensely. Asks the DM if they can reroll their 18 because a crit fail would be really funny here. Thinks straight characters pining pathetically are cute.
Bonus: The DM: Ed's player's wife. The fact that he killed her off in-universe is directly connected to his character starting the game in prison, even though she mostly thinks it's funny. Uses Yendar to troll her husband ('what if you're dead wife doesn't wanna come back, huh? What if she's HAPPIER wherever she is now? Did you think of that, asshole??') and he gives as good as he gets ('there he goes walking away, in a really straight line. Oh no, is he gonna go around that rock? Nope, right over it'). Had to be bribed back to the table with beer and snacks after Simon stepped on the bridge. Her husband 100% screamed 'that's my WIFE!!!' loud enough to wake the neighbors when Yendar killed the dragon.
Bonus bonus: Kira as herself: but only when the players manage to schedule sessions before her bedtime. Towards the end of the campaign she negotiates the bedtime back an hour so she can play the big bad disguised as her. Her dad is horrified. Her mom thinks it's hilarious.
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thatsparrow · 1 year
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post-honor among thieves thoughts
a delight!!
truly, a fun fantasy film with all the right blends of serious stakes and goofy missteps that is so emblematic of playing dnd
one of the things I was most curious about going into it was—given that so much of dnd is a) collaborative storytelling and b) ultimately determined by dice rolls, how would those elements of unpredictability translate to a scripted story? (which I suppose is not new to dnd-based media, there have been novels and the 80s show, but those aren't things that I've consumed.) and like. yes the story was pretty predictable overall, but I did like that there were moments of abject failure scattered throughout that really captured the vibe of rolling a nat 1 (it was also very fun to half-watch it through a lens of, oh, this person would be rolling a deception check right now. this person is succeeding then failing on a bunch of acrobatics checks, etc.)
it is. so very fun to me that bards are categorically also spellcasters, and yet they did not let chris pine do one damn magical thing, that lute was a melee weapon only
michelle rodriguez barbarian my beloved (also like, in terms of balancing references to the game with still making the movie accessible, part of me was expecting/hoping to see some visual indication of her going into a rage, but I did like that they didn't tip the hand quite that much while still making clear during fight scenes that, oh, she definitely has some rage-fueled strength right now that is allowing her to yeet a dude across a courtyard)
seeing all the spells and wildshaping was incredibly fucking cool!! that may have been the bit I was most excited about, and it did not disappoint—doric's whole infiltration and then escape of the castle was so good. the displacer beasts. the mimics!
sir that's just a portal gun
the comp het was so funny. look, I really loved both justice smith and sophia lillis but cmon guys. there was nothing there
although speaking of, edgin and holga as determinedly platonic best friends raising a child together was an absolute delight—the bit when edgin says to kira like 'I'm not trying to bring back your mom but my wife' bc yeah!! kira's mom is already right there!!
halfling bradley cooper having a clear type of 'women twice my size who could break me in half' is so valid
god paladin regé-jean page be still my heart (although yeah, the paladin as a straight-laced LG humorless type is not the only way to interpret the class, but I thought it did make for a nice contrast w the rest of the party)
but also his armor! I thought the costumers did a great job of giving them all designs/looks that spoke to their classes. truly, the visuals of the whole movie were so cool—not just in terms of the aesthetics, but the framing and movement of the shots, too. very dynamic, very fun to watch
overall, a genuinely good time!!
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maranull · 11 months
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This is so fucked up. Where's Holga? Where's her other mom?
WHERE'S HOLGA KILGORE, THE BEST BARBARIAN MOM!?!?!
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rebel-at-heart713 · 10 months
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So I just watched Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves. (Rented from Redbox)
It was good and I really liked it. If I could just change one thing it would be this. Spoilers I guess but it’s been out on DVD for a bit.
I think it would’ve been hilarious, if at some point there something like this happened….I’m not sure where, but somewhere before something ridiculous happens, like when Doric changed into the owlbear and smashed Sofina around. There’s a zoom in on Doric and she says, “I Hulk Smash Sofina into the ground.” and there’s just a disembodied voice that says, “pardon?”
Cut Away gag. 5 random big name actors sit around the table, I’m talking like Ryan Reynolds, Matt Damon, Natasha Lyonne, Anne Hawthaway and like Brad Pitt are sitting around a table. (Sort of think how in the later Thor movies Matt Damon is playing the actor playing Loki just cause cameos. Pick and choose who it is but I really like especially Ryan and Natasha as I think they’d both have fun)
Natasha: “what? I grab Sofina and just smash her into the ground repeatedly like Hulk did to Loki in Avengers.
Ryan (who I picture is playing Ed): “that would be funny”
Brad (disgruntled DM) “don’t encourage her, by the Anne roll a D20”
Anne: “wait, why?” *rolls* “4,”
Brad: “okay we’ll get back to that,”
Natasha: “I rolled a 19 on my strength check, plus I get a +4 in owlbear shape”
Matt and Ryan: “Hulk Smash Hulk Smash Hulk Smash”
Brad: “okay fine”
Cuts back to the movie as normal.
Then maybe change the mid-credit scene. As much as I found of funny, change it to this.
Cuts back to the table.
Brad: “okay I think that wraps up this session. Should we end the campaign here or should we find another quest?”
Matt: “I’m not giving up my character. I just got some killer artifacts.”
Natasha: “yeah I love my Druid”
Anne: “it would suck to stop here after we wasted the stone on me. If we were going to stop my character might as well have stayed dead.”
Brad: “okay next session, how does Monday night work?”
Matt: “I can’t, I have a late shift,”
Brad: “okay Tuesday?”
Natasha; “I work at 5am on Wednesday, I can’t stay out too late.”
Brad: “so Wednesday night will be out too cause you’ll be out by 9. Thursday?”
Anne: “Date Night,”
Brad: “Friday?”
Ryan: “My daughter has a dance recital,”
Brad: “and my in-laws are coming on Saturday through Wednesday morning for 4th of July on Tuesday”
Cuts back to the credits but you continue hearing them in the background instead of music for another 90 seconds trying to find a date. The music fades back in before one is decided.
I just think it would have been really funny. I get that in the middle of the movie it might take away from the whole one dying and the sacrifice Ed makes for choosing not to revive is wife and reviving Holga instead (which by the way got major Onward vibes from that. The whole “I never had a dad but I always had you.” Sort of being Kira never had a mom but always had Holga) if we know they aren’t real, but I really feel it would have really made it a D&D movie having actual dice gags and the whole not being able to plan a session.
Anyways, good fun movie. Might buy it so I can watch it again. I could totally see in the movie parts that were totally crit fail and successes.
I’m thinking seeing the trailers made me really finalize wanting to play it. I do a small campaign with one other person who plays a character and DMs and we have a lot of fun.
Anyways, sorry for the long post. But that’s what I thought.
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I really hope the D&D: Honor Among Thieves tag is fulled to the brim with people gushing about this, but I've just barely started looking into the tag and mostly seeing funny posts or posts about a character I don't need to gush over but I do just need to gush so here's another one (again, I hope, cause people CANNOT be sleeping on it).
(Spoilers incoming obviously)
The moment Edgin stood in the treasure boat and held up the scroll to Kira, saying he really was looking for this to bring back her mum, spouse and I had the thought of, 'welp, he's going to need to be brought back.' That's the way it goes right? Hero makes noble sacrifice and team comes together to rescue him.
So I cannot express how delighted I felt when nope. He gets through it just fine. It's Holga they have to save. The hero's big moment really isn't the fighting exactly, it's having to make the choice. He is not chosen by the others to save; he has to make the choice. And Kira is there, weeping over Holga, putting an exclamation point on that this is the only mother Kira has ever known.
And JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T GET IT THEN! LET US FLASH BACK TO BEAUTIFUL MOMENTS BETWEEN HOLGA AND KIRA AS HOLGA HELPS RAISE THE CHILD! THE FEEEEEELS jfc.
Their family isn't a mom and dad and child, but it's still a family. Holga and Edgin may not be the remotest bit romantic, but they are Kira's parents.
And Edgin knows what he has to do, but he checks in with Kira first, and I love that so much. It would be the most natural thing in the world for her to want to know the mother she never had, but they both know that Holga is the mother she did get to have, and she may not be perfect, but no one is, and she fought with everything she had to protect her daughter.
Holga gave up her tribe for love, and that marriage didn't end with a child or even a sustained romance, but she still found a family that accepted her as is, and who she won't lose once she finds her next short king. AND IT'S JUST SO FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!
I loved that this movie's plot was driven by the need to nurture and protect and care for a living child. No, I'm not the happiest about the fridging, but I'm glad Kira lived, that Kira is the heart of the movie. And I'm in love with it being a story about a non-traditional family. I LOVE THAT SHIT IT'S SO GOOD TO SEE IT IN A BIG, FUN, ADVENTUROUS MOVIE THANKS!
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lediz-watches · 1 year
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Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves
To quote or paraphrase Andy Farrant (I watched the stream a few days ago, the wording's not in my head) "It was better than it had any right to be."
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This was such a fun movie, though. It was silly popcorn fun with legitimate heart, which is exactly what action adventure movies should be.
I loved the overarching narrative and the way it showed a legitimate found family long before it verbally addressed it. I loved the relationship between Holga, Edgin, and Kira, and that beautiful repeated phrase "I'm gonna bring back your mom".
As someone who loves the idea of DnD but has never had much success with it (I think it's very telling that my favourite DnD stream is Oxventure and I couldn't sit through more than ten episodes of Critical Role), it was so curious how they played this. They didn't (although they very easily could have) show you the rolls, but you could definitely feel them sometimes. I'm not just talking about the Nat20s and NatOnes, but like Simon's player in general is a very good player with such cursed dice. He failed so many saves and had to adjust around them.
I actually wonder how someone who has never played the game would react to some of them, actually. Like, there's a point where Simon gets his foot caught in some cobblestones. To a DnD player, what happened is that it's clearly a failed stealth check followed by several failed saves from everyone to free him. But I wonder if to a non-player whether that seemed like a bit of an arbitrary complication to the story for DRAMA.
But there are, I should point out, very few points where I actually noticed those points that would likely end up as a divide. Mostly, I think, the movie was incredibly accessible.
Like, even painfully DnD tropes. Everyone points out that Xenk is either a DMPC or a player who barely ever gets to play and so is always overpowered so they can be a fun addition. But the actual painfully DnD trope about him is that he's just SO Lawful Good. So lawful that he can only walk in straight lines. But rather than it being specifically a DnD joke, he's a parody of The Perfect Hero. Everyone knows that trope. Everyone can follow that trope.
So the only problem I have with it from an adaption perspective is how twisted and messy the story felt. As a DnD player, it was fine - the players were scrambling to find solutions to a problem and were going on multiple quests to figure out what they would do. But I can definitely see how an outsider might find it all... incohesive.
They're gathering party members > oh, that wasn't good enough.
They're going to search for a helmet > oh, that isn't available.
They're going in search of a hero > oh, he's going to give them a different quest for the helmet.
They've got the helmet but more importantly they have this hero > oh, he's leaving, okay.
They've got the helmet > oh, that won't work.
They're doing a heist > oh, that's not going to work either...
Like, I get it. I FELT it. But I can also see how an outsider might react to it in the same way I originally felt watching The Dark Knight. After a point, plot twists get tedious. And some of these plot threads could have been entire stories on their own rather than quick asides. Everything was a little too shallow in order to fit a lot of story into a twisted adventure.
But that said, I enjoyed it. And I loved the complications in this a lot more than I do in heist movies where it all turns out that it actually went exactly as the grandmaster thief intended all along.
And more than anything, I loved the main arc. I am always a sucker for Found Family, but this was beautiful.
From the very start, the film goes out of its way to SHOW us that Holga and Kira are an unconventional but very real mother and daughter. Holga has a closer relationship with Kira than Edgin does. BUT the story is told from Edgin's perspective, so it repeatedly TELLS us that Holga is Edgin's partner, Kira is Edgin's daughter, and the quest is to bring back Edgin's dead wife so she can be a mother to Kira.
I love that dichotomy SO MUCH. I adore it when stories not only use show and tell cohesively, but make the difference between them a POINT. It was amazing, and something that I think couldn't have been done nearly as well in a written medium, I'm so in awe of how effortless it felt.
That one line was... mmph! Nice job, Mr Pine, nice job making that line hit your character so hard.
AND while I probably can't get into it without going on a whole essay about western ethics re: resurrection, there was something I really appreciated about how the film didn't linger over Edgin's wish and decisions about his wife. This was a DnD campaign. Resurrection is expensive and a pain, but it's a thing that happens, the only issue is Faerun lore about other planes, let's move on.
Last thing I'll talk about is the characters themselves. This was such good casting, and I love the characters and how they're embodied.
I love Holga's unapologetic dumb muscle and how much heart she had. (Side note, Bradley Cooper's cameo was wonderful and heartwrenching and that whole mini-arc is going to quietly stay in my heart for a long while)(Side-side note, I love Bradley Cooper so much more as a supporting character actor than a lead. He's SO GOOD at what he does but lead characters make his arcs overwrought)
I love Simon and Doric's blunt, awkward style and how you can tell they'll work well together but would be hopeless without Edgin's charm and energy to guide them.
I love Edgin, and I LOVE Edgin played by Chris Pine, who balances that charm and quiet desperation and arrogance into one perfect BARD. He was SUCH a BARD, even though he was missing the magic and lore (yeah... Simon fails saves, Edgin fails knowledge checks all. the. time. His dice hate the lore and it's absolutely a running joke at the table). His personality was just embodied Harper bard and it was perfect.
I love Hugh Grant's villain era because I actually find it a very natural evolution of his typecasting. But more than anything, I love that Forge isn't and never was actually evil. He's Neutral. He's selfish and willing to do either good or bad to achieve his goals. He didn't really want his friends to die, and you know, the overall outcome of the scheme was regrettable, but he would get away with money, love, and his life, so... -shrug- And Hugh Grant plays that so well. He's so dry and deadpan and you're never sure whether he's making fun of you or not, and it just works. So it's Nice. I like it. Nice.
But yeah! I could ramble about the things I loved for days, and there are certainly things I would have preferred, but this was actually a really good, really fun movie using DnD rules and tropes.
Good game, Paramount. Well done.
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sparrowsarus · 1 year
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Sometimes I think about Ed, and his little found family, and what if he had managed to bring Zia back? Did he just assume that her and Holga would love each other, because he loves them and they love him? Did he just figure the six of them would just work? Kira would have two moms. Ed would have his wife (which he admits was the real goal; that it was for him, not Kira.) How would they work, as a unit? Could they?
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DUNGEONS & DRAGONS: HONOR AMONG THIEVES (2023)
Starring Chris Pine, Michelle Rodriguez, Regé-Jean Page, Justice Smith, Sophia Lillis, Hugh Grant, Chloe Coleman, Daisy Head, Jason Wong, Rylan Jackson, Kyle Hixon, Spencer Wilding, Will Irvine, Nicholas Blane, Bryan Larkin, Sarah Amankwah, Colin Carnegie, Georgia Landers, Sophia Nell Huntley, Clayton Grover, San Shella, Barry O'Connor and Bradley Cooper.
Screenplay by Jonathan Goldstein & John Francis Daley.
Directed by Jonathan Goldstein & John Francis Daley and Michael Gilio.
Distributed by Paramount Pictures. 134 minutes. Rated PG-13.
Although the game has changed a whole lot over the years, since 1974 Dungeons & Dragons has been exciting the fantasies of nerdy guys, who spent eight hours a day in their mom’s basements with graph paper and oddly shaped dice, summoning magic and cunning and trying to save the world from monsters. (Nowadays there is no graph paper, and the basements tend to belong to the actual players, but otherwise it’s pretty much the same vibe.)
Filmmakers have been trying to translate the game into film periodically for over 40 years, if you count the unsanctioned 1982 TV movie Mazes and Monsters, which was unofficially based on the D&D phenomenon and is now only slightly remembered otherwise because it was Tom Hanks’ first lead role in a film.
Then there was director Courtney Solomon’s wretched 2000 critical and box office bomb Dungeons & Dragons. Despite being despised by game fans and movie fans alike, the movie did spawn two made-for-video sequels, Wrath of the Dragon God (2005) and The Book of Vile Darkness (2011). Those three films are also, mercifully, pretty long forgotten.
Well, thank the Lords, with the new complete reboot of the series, Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves, Hollywood has finally figured out how to tame this beast. Don’t get me wrong, Honor Among Thieves is far from a perfect movie. However, it is a whole hell of a lot of fun and feels like the perfect spawning ground for a legitimate D&D film franchise.
Good for them.
It’s not really a serious fantasy film. Dungeon & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves feels more like something like The Princess Bride or Shrek; a film which is serious about being funny that just happens to be in a fantastical world. You don’t even necessarily have to have played the game (I haven’t in decades) to enjoy the movie. It is almost like a comedy that just uses the fantasy world as a frame for its tale. It has monsters and fighting and yet at the same time it is rarely gruesome or overly violent. It is more of a comic character study than an action-adventure tale.
Honor Among Thieves is co-written and directed by filmmaking team Jonathan Goldstein & John Francis Daley (the Freaks and Geeks kid all grown up!) The two Johns are smart pop culture chroniclers; however their filmmaking has been pretty up and down. For every really good film they have been involved in (Spider-Man: Homecoming, Horrible Bosses, Game Night) they have also had one that is pretty bad (Vacation, The Incredible Burt Wonderstone, Horrible Bosses 2).
Dungeons & Dragons is one of the good ones.
Chris Pine stars as Edgin the Bard, a thief who is doing hard time after a botched robbery attempt. His wife has died – also peripherally due to his thievery – so now all he is living for is to get out and see his daughter Kira (Chloe Coleman), who is living with one of his accomplices, a con man named Forge (Hugh Grant). When Edgin and his partner Holga (Michelle Rodriguez) escape from the dungeon lair, they go off in search of Kira, only to find that Forge has scammed his way into leadership of the land with help of a red sorceress named Sophina (Daisy Head).
So, yeah, there is a story, not that it really matters.
More importantly, Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves has some stunning effects and creatures, and it’s a heck of a lot more pure fun than overwrought fantasies like Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones. It doesn’t take itself too seriously, so we don’t either. It’s all the more likable because of that lightness.
Pine reminds us that despite his leading man good looks, he is actually quite skilled at goofy comedy and the rest of the cast is also terrific, particularly Grant as the sniveling and duplicitous Forge.
I hope that if there is a sequel – and I think we can all pretty safely bet that there will be one – that the filmmakers remember to keep the light touch and smart action of Honor Among Thieves.
Jay S. Jacobs
Copyright ©2023 PopEntertainment.com. All rights reserved. Posted: March 31, 2023.
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uniasus · 1 year
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fic rec! 1.6K Kira focused fic
Summary: Kira is happy to be home, honestly! But there's no denying it - her life used to be better.
Comments: Mmm, angst. Poor girl is very confused and feeling guilty over missing the life Forge gave her, especially when she doesn't want it anymore, but talks things through with Holga, who is the Best Mom.
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stevengrantshubby · 1 year
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i know what fandom is like but simon and doric were very cute. i like that both characters weren't revolved around each other tho.
edgin and holga's dynamic was a real highlight too. they love and care about each other, and raised a child together it was lovely. edgin and kira deciding to use the tablet on her (and related to edgin saying he wanted his wife back not kira's mom yknow).
anyways, it was fun solid time.
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maranull · 4 months
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*kicks in door*
MARAAAAAAAA
Hi! 👋👋
I come to bring you an ask to fuel your brainrot:
Do you think any of the DnD HaT characters would be buddies with any Elden Ring ones? Ocs and hcs are welcome too! :D
BIIIIIM!! THE DOOR WAS OPEN! Now I gotta buy new hinges. T . T
Hi, hi, thank you for the fuel! <3 I'm sure they would. The dndhat gang is pretty lovable and they'd definitely hit it off with the ER cast.
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Edgin would definitely be buds with Godwyn, I think. Godwyn seems to me like the shining sun of the Golden Order, and I believe he would like singing and generally having fun. Holga would join them sometimes, thought she'd mostly chat with Fia/Fortissax and Lansseax (and really only after she learns that they are dragons).
Holga would also hit it off with Malenia and Radahn, probably more with Radahn. Both demigods would occasionally try and talk about tactics and whatnot, and Holga would just stare at them blankly. What use are tactics when you're skilled enough to 1v10? Just fight until you win, stupid.
Kira would be friends with Miquella and Finlay. I think Kira would bring out Miq's mischievous side, and Fin would be running behind them, complaining but actually liking the triviality of it all.
Simon would get adopted by Rennala. And I think he'd grow close to Ranni, joining her little gang, despite her doing her usual "oh, noes, I'm so cold and evil" facade. Simon is too smart and lovable for Ranni to manage to keep the evil act for too long.
Doric would be pals with Melina and Blaidd. No, not just because I want my fav characters to be friends. I think all three enjoy not being in the spotlight of their friend groups, and would probably just like watching the chaos from the sidelines. All three are the mom-friends.
Xenk would be friends with Godwyn and Miquella. All of them work for the betterment of their regions, so they'd bond over that probably.
Sofina is hard to pick someone for... I don't think she's as sadistically evil as Mohg is, and Marika is too regretful for Sofina to like her. Maybe she'd be friends with the younger Marika, the one that was conquering and stepping on everyone to reach godhood.
And Forge is best friends with Patches, I think there's nothing to explain here.
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Thanks again!! Always love thinking about the dndhat gang!
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