First, the environment is not what veganism is about and the movement should not be argued on environmental terms.
Second, vegans are constantly infighting about fringe issues as most activist groups tend to do. I actually feel the non-vegan perspective is less nuanced: “I think backyard eggs/wool/leather/honey/whatever are an exception to what I imagine the vegan philosophy is so I’m just going to ignore the entire thing and eat as much cheese and beef as I want. Not worth trying if you can’t be perfect, right?”
Finally, about the sneering use here of “rule of thumb”: as a matter of practicality, when it comes to the environment, what is actually easier: abstaining from all animal products even though 1/100 times you might have made the “worse” choice, or doing detailed supply chain investigations on every single meal you eat and product you buy when 99/100 times the vegan one will be better? Everyone says they’re doing the latter but they’re not. I’ve had people look me in the eye and tell me that they only consume “humane” meat while eating a chicken salad from the cafeteria at work, run by Sodexo. Rules of thumb that are clear and easy to understand are actually going to be really important in changing the individual behavior of millions of people. “Don’t eat meat. Fly just twice a year. Don’t buy things new.” If you get bogged down in analysis paralysis you’ll never get anything done.
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Okay! Just copying over my Hadestown thoughts from twitter. Because these were just initial musings they’re a little all over the place:
I ended up liking the show much more than I anticipated! I'm always incredibly wary of anything involving Hades and Persephone these days lmao. people manage to make that myth the most insipid thing sometimes.
The story was honestly far more cynical than I was expecting? It's definitely one of the harshest recent takes on Hades I've seen, and a lot of issues I would've otherwise had with Orpheus are mitigated simply by just how often he's compared to him. Especially when Hades is framed as the unequivocal antagonist, if not outright villain. We get the impression that Orpheus, if given that sort of power and influence, could very well become him.
And for that reason, even though I usually dislike it, I think removing the kidnapping aspect of Hades and Persephone's entire backstory and having it be a relationship that started out on good terms actually works? Because that way it’s such a clearer foil to how we see Orpheus and Eurydice’s relationship unfold. And of course there are many things like in Wait for Me reprise where we see both couples take each other’s hands in identical movements. It’s not a subtle mirroring.
I’m not saying Orpheus is meant to be unsympathetic, that’s untrue. but I think there’s enough acknowledgement of faults and negative tendencies that it doesn’t feel like a blind idealization. The cyclical nature of the story also honestly works for me in that regard, because the implication is that Orpheus will always make these mistakes. He will always be too idealistic, too neglectful, and at the end be ruled by Hades’ same fear of abandonment.
Similarly his song doesn’t work, because in order for the story to repeat, Hades is going to be just as awful every time. and his relationship with Persephone isn’t magically repaired by the song. They need to be at odds just as they are for any of those events to take place. In that way it succeeds in being bittersweet and heartfelt without falling into really neat white male savior territory or narratively excusing Eurydice’s suffering because of Orpheus’ neglect bc idk his work was just that important or some such thing. Like no, it’s all his fault and he fails to make it better and he’s going to do it again lol but he’s also going to try again, and so is she. And they both mean well and will always mean well, despite this terrible cycle. And I do think that sort of idealism, or like grace for fatal flaws, when not blindly upheld is. nice?
That being said, I would have definitely liked more focus on Eurydice? But also Orpheus is clearly framed as the protagonist and I think we actually do get more about her than most retellings (that I’ve encountered anyway) bother to give us. So I’ll take it.
And she does very much get an arc herself, that’s the inversion of Orpheus’. She starts out as this very untrusting, wary person, and it’s sheer tragedy that her learning to trust, and finally putting her faith in someone else directly corresponds to Orpheus succumbing to paranoia. Or she is given more agency to have the choice to go to the underworld, or again later to choose to follow Orpheus back despite his failings, when in the original myth her compliance is taken for granted. She’s not an object.
I initially didn’t really understand the purpose of We Raise Our Cups, considering how damning the depiction of Orpheus is? Because I was reading it as a song that’s solely celebrating him. But seeing how it and Road to Hell reprise are staged just before it helped a lot. Idk seeing the entire cast onstage for it, and realizing that Eurydice also sings half of it, recontextualized it for me and hammered home the show’s main theme of forgiveness and idk. good intentions.
I would say the plot operates on an axis of idealism and trust vs cynicism and paranoia. But underlying that, the cyclical framing device and the story itself, in the way that it is structured as a classic tragedy, highlight forgiveness and just trying your best, in a fourth wall breaking sort of way that ends up being fairly poignant imo
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mario/peach or midna/link couple battle who wins
Are you saying what I would like or who would win in a battle? Cuz Midna and Link no doubt. Look Peach can fight but not enough to be a large threat and Midna and Link are the ultimate power couple and cannot be stopped. They will obliterate the two
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