#dw fandom discourse

[leikeliscomet]

You think Martha deserved better because you think her being attracted to Ten is some moral failing she needed to correct I think Martha deserved better bc the misogynoir in S3 in the show and fandom was so rampant that Freema Agyeman, other Black and mixed actors and fans are dealing with the repercussions over a decade later we're not the same

#I do think Martha deserved better bc she did but it has nothing to do with the crush #i used think the crush was the issue but honestly how it affects “Martha discourse” is worse bc it overshadows everything #there are so many things from S3 to unpack but its everyday “she was obsessed with Ten” like there's bigger fish to fry abeg #martha jones #doctor who series 3 #doctor who series three #doctor who #doctor who fandom #fandom antiblackness #black representation #dr who fandom #dw fandom

[etoilesbienne]

My plea to the rest of the qsmp tumblr fandom: Please stop making every piece of content relate back to the first purgatory.

I don't want to be a person who shows up and rains on parades to ruin fun for people, but I think there's a sizeable amount of this community that doesn't really realize how much the first purgatory has affected every less popular character's fanwork. Especially on tumblr, where English is the lingua franca and almost everyone communicates in it. You have to understand most characters on qsmp were not exactly the same characterization wise on quesadilla island than they were on purgatory. Not that they aren't the same characters, it's just people seem to be prioritizing only those purgatory characterizations over every other moment on the server, while also not looking and trying to understand these characters outside of purgatory at all.

Purgatory 2 got hit with it too, like I don't think I saw a single team in P2 that didn't get extensive comparisons to any of the P1 teams. Like I get it, media parallels, that's cool! It's just tiring when you look at any character's tag or a P2 team's tag that is less popular in the English fandom and 95% of it is just to do with purgatory one, or wanting them to do something from purgatory one, or saying how they should join a purgatory one team. I can't wait until we can move on to a new arc in the server that involves all the characters, but until then, please be aware that almost all of the non-English characters have been almost, like, mostly only receiving content about purgatory one still. It's a disservice to the characters and the CC behind them, they become side characters to streamers who are more popular in English fandom.

I don't think anyone's, like, a bad person for liking purgatory or enjoying purgatory content, nor is any one team worse than the other or deserves any hate, just understand it's a struggle for anyone who likes these less popular characters to find non-purgatory one based content. Let these characters be their own individuals instead of extensions of other characters. :(

#sorry for maintagging i just don't know what else i can do than try to politely ask #if you don't make purgatory based content this doesn't apply to you dw #qsmp #qsmp purgatory #qsmp purgatory 2 #qpurgatory #qpurgatory 2 #discourse #neg #fandom neg #fandom negativity #posts from the aether

[picnokinesis]

Seen a lot of discourse going around about these two at the moment, so I thought I’d draw them and throw some positivity into the void because I love them both so much! They’re absolutely wonderful characters, and also you cannot tell me that  Rose “what’s your name, your pronouns and are you in a union” Tyler and Dan “I don’t need anything so long as other people around me are alright” Lewis wouldn’t be the best of friends, like just imagine it. They’re running through space and time to stand up to injustice and also offer you some soup (and maybe a bad pun or two), and they’ll make sure each other are okay whilst they’re at it. I love them.

#taka draws #rose tyler #dan lewis #doctor who #dw fanart #i would like to take this moment to formally apologise for the dan lewis fans in the venom fandom #i'm so sorry your tag has been flooded with dw discourse RIP SKSKS #anyway listen #real talk - i was at gally one last weekend #and it was SO lovely and full of such joy for the show #and then you come back online and it's just like. so much hatred? for this thing we love? #so i'm like man idk #are we not here to celebrate the characters we love? #i think we should be #anyway my take is be kind #right time to buckle down and close the discourse hatches skksk

[galedekarios]

what it feels like going into gale's tag for good art, meta or hcs

#post 1: actually ast*rion/tav with jealous gale #post 2: gale mansplains to my sorcerer!!!! #post 3: ast*rion art tagged with every other char tag for 'visibility' #post 4: i hate gale and i so helpfully tagged my post with every gale related tag so you can see it #post 5: bl**dw**v* #post 6: i hate gale but i fixed him by using a mod that turns him into female gale that uses an ai voice #post 7: here's me m*stra defender no1 explaining gale's trauma away #post 8-- #i hate it here #text: personal #fandom critical #discourse for ts

[starleska]

as i'm posting a lot about the Toymaker it's only fair to address the elephant in room regarding his racist history and characterisation. i feel this is important, especially as i will be writing fanfiction and creating similar fanworks for him. discussion of racism re: the Toymaker below:

i tend to veer far away from fandom discourse, and don't believe enjoying a bad character = glorifying their bad traits. however, i'm a white person who has privilege in not being personally, directly affected by racism, and i think it's important to have this discussion about the Toymaker, a character whose history is inextricably tied with racism and whose recent depiction is canonically racist, whether we agree with this portrayal or not (or how well it was handled). the following are things we can't, and shouldn't, ignore:

in his original portrayal in the 60s, the Toymaker was played by a white actor (Michael Gough) who wore a Chinese mandarin outfit. this outfit was apparently sourced from the set of Marco Polo due to the BBC's tight budget. even though Michael Gough (the Toymaker's actor) was not putting on an accent nor was he in yellowface (the latter incorrectly sourced from a poorly-tinted print advertising the serial), this choice is unquestionably offensive today.

the word 'Celestial' as in 'The Celestial Toymaker' (alternately the name of the serial and sometimes applied to the Toymaker himself) was used as a slur for Chinese people at some point in history. i can't verify, but i believe it was sometime between the 19th and 20th century. although it appears that the term was supposed to refer to the Toymaker in its astronomical context, as a godlike, transient being, in combination with his outfit it is obviously offensive.

in the original broadcast 'The Celestial Toymaker', the King of Hearts (one of the Toymaker's pawns) outright says the N word. this is while reciting the 'eeny, meeny, miny, moe' rhyme, and appears to have been an ad-lib by the actor. this is revoltingly racist, and is rightly cut from most audio re-airs or animations.

the Toymaker as depicted in 'The Giggle' is a racist; he freely makes racist microaggressions and uses stereotypical accents in order to torment other people. the most overt example of this is his 'you must be used to sunnier climes' comment to Charles Bannerjee, a brown-skinned British man of Indian descent (his parents being from Kerala is sourced from 'The Giggle' novelisation). in the BTS for this episode, RTD has said this portrayal is a conscious effort to address the character's racist history: canonising his original outfit as a purposeful, offensive choice.

responses to this modern canonisation of the Toymaker as an actual racist have been mixed:

some feel it's a clever way of boiling the character's history down and making a truly despicable villain.

others feel it's a heavy-handed attempt to 'get ahead of the curve' of being criticised for the character's legacy, particularly as there was nothing to indicate the character was racist himself in the original portrayal. these are roughly my feelings about this choice.

for some, it makes sense that the Toymaker is racist because he views everything as a game, including playing with character's race and culture: it's all a performance to him, and as a nonhuman, godlike being, why would he have our cultural sensitivities except to weaponise them and hurt us?

however, by the same stroke, some wonder why would the Toymaker be racist at all if he likely exists beyond our human notions of race, as well as other qualities like gender, sex, age, etc.?

wherever you fall on this spectrum of feelings towards the Toymaker's character, ignoring this history and these facts can be harmful. i've seen a lot of POC upset and alienated alternately by the choice to canonise the Toymaker's racism, as well as the choice to bring back the Toymaker at all given the character's history. now, i'm a fan of the Toymaker. i love camp, theatrical villains; showy reality-benders with little regard for personal space; awful bastards who murder and abuse and don't care one jot about who they hurt. he's a fantastic concept with awesome powers and undeniable style, and the moment the Toymaker was announced, i knew i was going to fixate on him. this is a common feeling for lots of people: many of us simp for gorgeous bad guys, and that's fine! however, i'm conscious of doing real harm by either replicating the Toymaker's racism, or choosing to ignore it entirely. even if i disagree with this recent characterisation, i would hate for anyone to feel disrespected, excluded, or harmed by my fandom activities, particularly of the gushing 'oh he's so cool/handsome/etc.' variety, or creating ship, x Reader, x OC fanworks. so here's what i'm thinking of doing:

in my fanworks for the Toymaker, i will not be recreating his overtly racist characterisation. although i may be replicating, for instance, his pseudo-German accent (a Bavarian stereotype), i will not be writing him using microaggressions, nor will i be expanding on this trait by writing him using slurs or similar racist behaviour. this is because i feel doing so would be more harmful to my friends who are POC, as well as strangers who may stumble across the fanworks. this is also because i do not feel i could handle such a subject in a nuanced, meaningful way, and don't want to inadvertently upset people just trying to have fun in fandom.

to prevent the former being an erasure of the character's racism, i will link to this disclaimer if the Toymaker's racism is relevant to a fanwork/discussion. the aspects of the Toymaker that i enjoy are centred around his being a ridiculous, playful character, and i have no interest in exploring his bigotry. likewise, i do not want to continually remind POC fans about his racist characterisation, as i do personally feel that the way RTD handled the topic was clumsy and ill-informed. however, i recognise that i have privilege in being able to make that choice, and do not wish to glorify racism as an attractive, desirable trait.

i understand that there will be folks on both sides of the aisle who will feel strongly about the choice to enjoy the Toymaker as a character at all. some may feel strongly that fandom is not activism, and that posts like this aren't necessary when simping for a bad guy played by an attractive actor. others may be actively harassing people for finding the Toymaker attractive, or as a character worthy of exploration. i feel strongly that no one should be harassed for enjoying things in fiction, and i will not tolerate hateful or abusive language/tactics being used in any facet of this or other discussions. i hope that we are able to have open, honest, and informed conversations about the Toymaker's racism, both historically and in the present. we shouldn't shy away from the topic because it makes us uncomfortable, and people do have a right to choose whether or not to engage with triggering content. let's do our best to be mindful and respectful of each other's boundaries, educate one another where possible, and continue to have fun in fandom without harming others.

thank you kindly for reading this! this was written as well as i know how, but please do let me know if this approach seems like a good idea, or if there are other things i should be considering. take care, and have a lovely day 💖🙏

#forgive me for the delay on this post; i wanted to take time to think it all over and address everything properly #i am not interested in getting involved with fandom discourse - but i understand the necessity of discussing the Toymaker's history #tw: racism #the toymaker #charles bannerjee #doctor who #the giggle #doctor who spoilers #the giggle spoilers #dw #dw spoilers #doctor who 60th anniversary #doctor who 60th anniversary spoilers #starleskatalks #long post

[tinkerbitch69]

Hmm…oh!

Hello there!

Welcome to the Doctor Who fandom! I see your new here, so I’ve provided some orientation material to help you settle into the fandom and explain a few things you might be a little confused about, sweetie.

Please ignore the screams! ☺️

#doctor who #dw #dr who #doctor who fandom #dw fandom #dr who fandom #doctor who memes #fandom memes #whovian #whovians #miss minutes coded post #my masterpost #🤞please don’t start discourse please don’t start discourse

[chaosandthe-deadblog]

hi i'm a sapphic ship in a fandom, but don't worry, i'm one of the good ones! yes haha one of the girls is a happy energetic sunshine one. yes the other one is dark and mean. but don't worry i'm one of the good ships. yes the dark one is secretly soft, because lesbians can't do anything wrong ever! yes, i'm one of the good lesbian ships, the girls are never masculine or mean to each other or have any type of complexity whatsoever! because i'm a good lesbian ship. and the girls are also never bi or pan. because im a good lesbian ship. the guys can have complex dynamics and issues because they're bad ships, don't worry, mine has no conflict or bad things because lesbians are cutsey and wholesome always! lesbians never do anything wrong! lesbians are cute femenine soft girls! no there's also no sexuality at all, because that's gross, no one wants to see that. i'm a good lesbian ship. don't worry.

#sol.txt #fandom anthropology #discourse #im talking abt a specific ship but dw about it

[gingerteaonthetardis]

Abbey, did you notice how the Rose and Ten/Rose hate is getting so strong and persistent lately? It is making me feel uncomfortable, because most of it is rooted in hypocrisy and misogyny. And the same people claiming to adore Nine/Rose while blatantly roasting Rose, and calling her misogynistic slurs… I try not to let this affect me, but I relate to Rose and seeing her constantly being called a "whore", called bland, stupid, clingy and/or unlikeable, reading she was only loved by the Doctor because she’s blonde and white, that she should have died… It’s like I am being attacked myself. It feels awful. :(

Also, most of it comes from either dudebros or Martha stans, especially the ones who ship her with Ten. Like…

hey, nonny! i'm quite sick, so forgive me if this reply isn't as clear as it could be. i am trying to extend grace across the board here, but i'm also on a lot of cold meds, lmao. another disclaimer: i'm not an authority on anything at all in the world.

the long and short of it is that you're right, this is a bunch of gross, misogynistic bullshit you're seeing right now! however, it's not quite accurate to say that this is a thing happening lately.

it wears new faces, but basically since nuwho started airing, people have found reasons to hate rose. people hated that she was uneducated, that she was poor, that she was a teenager, that she had acne, that she had the audacity to grow as a character, that she dressed in a certain way, and oh, did i mention that they really really hated that she was poor and uneducated? a lot of it was thinly-veiled classism (or not veiled at all) mixed with a spattering of misogyny, straight up, and a lot of rose fans were demeaned for their love of her.

seeing these sorts of takes has always been an unfortunate fact of existing in this fandom.

however, it is also important to point out that there was (and still is, i'm sure) a lot of racism baked into this fandom, and into rtd's era in general. i have less direct experience with this, but i am aware overall of the vitriol martha was subject to as a character, how dismissive people were of her being a viable love interest for ten, and it's almost impossible not to see how she was subject to humiliations within the canon of the show that white characters simply were not. i can guess, though i cannot cite any examples myself, that some black fans and fans of color in general have been demeaned and made to feel unwelcome here.

this is, like the above, an awful fact of the fandom and its history.

these are not necessarily equivalent. but they're both realities.

SO, cut to now. you have a fandom that has undergone several cataclysmic shifts, has imploded, has turned on itself dozens of times before. there are people who care about rose and are understandably defensive of her. there are people who care about martha and are understandably defensive of her. there are people who hate them both. there are plenty of people (like myself) who love both characters, who have nuanced reads of them. you have people who maybe ship one pairing or the other but not at cost of either rose or martha. you have multishippers. maybe some of us even ship martha and rose with each other, because we're cool and sexy and love women.

but then there are shit-stirrers. there are people sending hate to real living human beings in what they perceive as defense of their faves. there are users misrepresenting themselves as fans of anything when they are, in fact, just attention-starved, brain-poisoned lonely people.

and their shit ass takes are, i'm sorry to say, an unfortunate fact of this fandom.

they are not, however, representative of the majority of ninerose fans or tenmartha fans. the people bullying uninvolved ninerose bloggers? they are not representative of the majority of tenrose fans.

they're not representative of anything but their own misery.

the fact is, there are so many ways to be a fan of this stupid space show, so many ways of engaging in fandom, and some people have just chosen to be cruel, misogynistic, racist, classist, or some combination of the former. they've chosen to be unoriginal, hateful bullies, which is sad and sometimes very hurtful, because it's a huge disservice to both the material, the people who made it, and the people who enjoy it.

but!! there is an upside, i think, which is that we can make our spaces kinder if we curate them well. it's down to us to report harassment and to block people who make tumblr toxic. it is down to us to reblog the art and stories and meta and gifs that bring us joy, or that we feel add depth and meaning to the show. and it is essential!! that we remember we are here voluntarily. if fandom isn't fun anymore, if it makes us feel bad about ourselves, it often means it's time to step back and find our footing again. to unfollow some people, follow some new people. to try to connect with the people we do like and follow in a more personal way. to find the people in our personal lives who make us feel safe and tell them what's going on.

i'm sorry for what you're feeling, nonny. you're not the only one. <3 don't be ashamed if you feel you need support from irl friends/mutuals/etc.

i don't know how long you've been a part of the fandom, but as someone who has been around for 5 years and who has friends who have been here for twice, even three times that long, just know that there are plenty of good people around if you look for them.

#SORRY FOR THE LITERAL ESSAY. I JUST HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS #also nonny i hope you have/find your people who make you feel safe and who make fandom fun for you <3 #anyway....... tagging this as #discourse #just in case! #abbey.txt #dw #long post

[nostalgia-tblr]

i wish we didnt call it thoshei i get that it's about the best we can do for a smushed-up pairing name but - hear me out - a combined pairing name that uses neither character's actual name just... isn't? especially when the names they do use for themselves and each other are such a Thematic Thing? so it's like. the worst possible pairing name we could be using for this pairing?

#the master would only ever call the doctor 'theta' to express the deepest contempt they could ever feel for anyone. it'd be an insult. #but two people who know each other's given names and NEVER want them to be used by anyone else are unlikely to ever deploy those #it's like Mutually-Assured Destruction but with names u kno? #(young people you can google that. or no maybe don't - you'll get stuck in a wikipedia spiral of existential threats and never sleep again #doctor x master #(see?! missy said 'doctor who' was his real name! SO THERE!) (i can't believe i am using missy as a Reliable Source but here we are) #i would say contextually this is a worse pairing name than 'whouffaldi'. YEAH! THAT'S HOW STRONGLY I FEEL ABOUT THIS!! #WORSE THAN FUCKING WHOUFFALDI THE OTHERWISE WORST PAIRING NAME OF ALL TIME!! #(i'm never forgiving the Spirk people for shunning Kock but that's another matter and another fandom and etc) #(this post was inspired by Voyager Discourse btw. NOT the Voyager Lizard Sex Discourse it was one of the other kinds) #dw

[ssaalexblake]

I do actually think there is a bit of a toxic femininity cautionary tale in 13's life But that doesn't actually translate to her ever actually being in any way traditionally feminine and watching ppl assign her random characteristics seemingly only because it's a ~girl~ thing, so obviously she must be like that. Is. Painful. dreadfully so.

I beg of you to actually pay attention to women on screen. Or, you know, in real life.

#dw shit #i have No idea if the uptick in this the past month is bc the actual Show did this or not #i don't Want to know fyi #but god can we please actually pay attention to her character and not Assume what she's gonna be #like just bc she's a she? #that'd be fab #traits are not assigned by gender and you cannot do the gender box with the doctor Anyway #i get such a headache from the dw fandom #it's the one constant #fron the whole thing #... flashing back to the Amy mini skirt discourse #ahhh the good old days #fandom was still wank but the show was like -5% diverse so the wank was just infuriating and not #yack worthy

[leikeliscomet]

I like how if u wanna anything about the doctor being aspec you gotta have video clips, interviews quotes, 5 links to the AVEN website and Sylvester McCoy holding the asexual flag or something but if u wanna say he isn't aspec you just have to say he isn't or "Moffat era" lmaoooooo

#siri please read the paragraph from Refusing Compulsory Sexuality where the parameters of asexuality are subject to change #in “ace discourse” and asexuals aren't allowed determine what those parameters are #PLEASE dont try to debunk/debate me every i post the words “asexual” “aromantic” and “doctor who” together I can't be asked #you not being convinced enough about the doctors asexuality and aro coding is not my problem I just wanna make my analysis posts bye... #asexual #aromantic #doctor who #dr who fandom #dw fandom #aspec #aspec representation #asexual representation #aromantic representation

[morganaspendragonss]

“they did bigeneration so we could start with a non-traumatised doctor, duh!”

so, uh. how’s that working out for you.

#listen - LOVE ncuti #he’s iconic his doctor is amazing i can’t wait until may #but if bigeneration has no haters i am DEAD #doctor who #dw spoilers #fandom discourse

[mossflower]

stares at my bio

#realistically. i do not post owl house anymore and haven’t really for months. and am unlikely to post about it again #but i feel weird taking it out!! i loved that show!! i still love it!! i’m just not fandombrained abt it anymore #like it’s not even on the backburner like tma or good omens is. dw is a long term interest. i’m actively into tlt #i think of toh as a show i love. just not in that way anymore ok this sounds like a breakup why am i being so dramatic #tbh i do not miss the fandom. kinda a cesspit of deranged takes and insane discourse. made me a main tags avoider #it felt like secondary school? everyone being weirdly mean and hiding it under a progressive skin and jokes? #lbr thats bc most ppl were teenagers. me included lol #but it was more good than bad. staying up late to watch the streams and getting excited over theories and all of it. i’ll miss that part #but the next time i say ‘hey this cartoon looks pretty cool’ i need someone to bodily tackle me to the ground and stop me. it’s not worth i #rip morgan’s animation era 2020-2023 i guess <3 #nvm. i’ll just replace toh with homestuck! which is still kinda wild to me lol #like if you told the me of a year ago that i would be into homestuck more than toh rn i would not have believed you #morganposting

[ingravinoveritas]

How will you feel if Georgia and Anna turn up in GO2? Or any other assorted family members?

(Grouping all of the GO 2 Anons together since there are quite a few, and in order of take hotness level from Mild to Medium to Habanero Spicy...)

So, to recap the seeming order of events up until now (though I'm sure everyone is probably well aware): Three weeks ago, Neil made this post featuring a behind the scenes photo from GO season 2. Almost immediately, Twitter detectives set to work trying to ascertain the identities of the three people in the photo, and it very quickly came to light that both Peter Davison and Ty Tennant have roles in GO 2 listed on their respective CVs on their shared agent's website:

Shortly after that, the news appeared to be confirmed on the Radio Times website, and was subsequently picked up by a number of other media outlets. Most of these seem to be repeating what was reported by Radio Times, and while (from what I have seen, at least) there has been no official confirmation from either Amazon or Neil, the roles being on Peter and Ty's CVs seem to have convinced most of the fandom that they are in the second season.

I think there are several things we have to consider when talking about all of this. The first season of GO came out in 2019, and since then, the world has, well...I suppose "gone completely tits up" is one way of putting it, but the world has changed dramatically, and the circumstances around filming and production of television have also changed. Thus, when GO season 2 was filmed in Scotland from October of 2021 to March of 2022, the set was extremely locked down tight due to Covid safety protocols.

In all likelihood, it probably would've been very difficult to get actors for smaller roles or as extras, so from a purely logistical/practical standpoint, that is what could have led to the casting of Peter and Ty. There is also no way to know who the characters of Alastair and Ennon are, so for all we know, these could be very brief appearances where the characters are in one scene and then never appear again.

With that in mind, let's turn to the subject of nepotism, which I have seen mentioned quite frequently since the alleged casting was announced. I think what people may not be seeing is that there has been a marked difference in the reaction to Peter/Ty's casting from the hardcore GO fans vs. the wider public on Twitter. With the GO fans, there seems to be this attitude of tiptoeing around the word nepotism and everyone needing to be super happy/thrilled at the prospect of Peter and Ty (and possibly Georgia, but more on that ion a minute) being in GO 2, or otherwise you're a "bad" GO/David fan.

The wider public, however, has no such compunction about saying the word, often repeatedly, and with additional color commentary. What I wish the fans on Twitter understood is that this is something to be genuinely concerned about, because when the second season comes out, it won't be enough for just the hardcore fans to watch it. The show needs to bring in new viewers, and if people are as turned off by perceived nepotism as they seem to be, they won't tune in. Without those viewers, season 2 may not perform well, and if that is the case, Amazon could easily say "Well, GO season 2 didn't perform, so we're not going to greenlight a third season."

That is why it matters. Because even if casting Peter/Ty was done out of necessity/practicality, it ultimately comes down to people's perceptions, and overwhelmingly those perceptions are of nepotism and/or stunt casting.

For me personally, I certainly was and am not thrilled at the idea of Peter and Ty being in GO 2 (let alone Georgia and Anna, which...I might need a stronger drink before I write out my thoughts on that). But this does not in any way have anything to do with me disliking Peter or Ty, and in fact goes back to what I've always been most concerned with, and that's the integrity of the show.

Thinking back to 2020, I'm reminded of the heart-achingly beautiful audio clip that was released just a few months into lockdown, in honor of the 30th anniversary of GO's publication. Neil didn't write a new scene for Shadwell and Madame Tracy or Newt and Anathema...he wrote a scene for Aziraphale and Crowley. It was Michael and David whose performances resonated so strongly with all of us and with him, and he specifically chose to bring them back as Aziraphale and Crowley to mark that occasion.

When Staged came along shortly thereafter, it was created to build on that chemistry and relationship between Michael and David. Staged was meant to remind us of Good Omens, not the other way around. So I do feel that, when it comes to Peter and Ty (and Georgia/AL) being in GO season 2, it would be a distraction to have them there, rather than an enhancement. Not even because of the acting--as Peter is a seasoned actor and Ty/Georgia are decent enough (though AL is the exception, as she categorically cannot act, which we have seen)--but because of the principle.

The reason so many of us have greatly anticipated the second season is the relationship between Aziraphale and Crowley. So for me, casting any of these folks in the show (but particularly Georgia and AL) draws attention away from the Husbands, almost as if to say the relationship between Aziraphale and Crowley is somehow less/not as worth our attention as their "real" relationships. It also goes back to what I mentioned above about stunt casting, and again, if the viewers the show very much relies on see it that way and are turned off by that/perceived nepotism, it may cause the show itself to suffer overall.

So those are my thoughts on the potential casting of Peter Davison/Ty Tennant and Georgia/AL being in GO 2. I suspect we won't really know the truth about who is or isn't in the show until it's released, but to the Anons who felt they are alone in having feelings of hesitation over these casting decisions: You are very much not the only one who feels as you do, and I'm glad you felt comfortable enough to write in and share your feelings with me. We'll just have to wait and see what happens...

#anonymous #reply post #good omens 2 #michael sheen #welsh seduction machine #david tennant #soft scottish hipster gigolo #georgia tennant #peter davison #ty tennant #also i'm not sure if people realize the personal attacks David would be subject to if this does happen #i know people irrationally hate him already for DW reasons #but i hate the thought of the asshats online having more to come after him over #so much happening here #probably going to have to turn off anons for a bit while i answer the rest #fandom woes #anna lundberg #discourse

[calicostorms]

hiiii calico ^w^ 8 and 25 for redacted (sorry for fueling the evil in your notes)

Hiii it's OK bc I love u

8: common fandom opinion everyone is wrong about

Yall are way too quick to shout "abuse" about normal ass disagreements when characters experience emotions (see: David argument video, Geordi/Cutie stuff, etcetera). Of course the character will have strong emotions or not say everything perfectly phrased when they're upset its like. Fine.

25: common fandom complaint you're sick of hearing

No hate to these ppl whatsoever but I'm a bit tired of the constant rehashing of whether or not Alexis is a villain (by both sides, not just one). It doesn't matter— her textual portrayal is by Sam and what matters is how HE feels about her, not nessessarily if she's actually a good person or not. I think she's a great grey morality vehicle who was in a difficult position and it's interesting to think about her perspective but ultimately the story isn't about her and it's clearly framed that way for a reason.

Also the complaints abt ppl writing any caelum ships are annoying. My guy there's a max of 3 people who ship this even if you include me (known caelum disliker, not a guy who likes creating things abt or reading abt him) you just need to grow up and realize people are going to write things you think are "immoral" and you just need to leave them alone or block them. It's fine if you don't like it but be niceys and stop making annoying discourse posts abt it 👍

#to those who talk abt these lots dw I have the alexis redacted tag blocked bc it annoys me #peace and love on planet earth #fandom wank #calico speaks #ty lo for the ask ily #i also have the caelum tag blocked bc of The Constant Discourse so whatever

[cleopatraphouse]

Amy Dallon haters be like “if I was emotionally neglected for years and then psychologically tortured by one of the scariest serial killers in the world, I would simply not freak out about it”

#worm #The Discourse #cleo is fandom posting #parahumans #someone so scary that you kill yourself before they get to you #dw she gets a redemption arc tho unlike that tortured bitch