#hawk and dove 1989

[fancyfade]

I know the writers intend on portraying hawk and dove as equally valid (at least if you believe the responses in the letter columns) but issue 15 hawk is really a moron. Yes, hawk, mshulla and kestrel, the last of whom is possessing your friend and completely controlling her, are super pro personal freedom

#dc comics #fade reads dc comics #hawk and dove 1989 #hawk #hank hall

[nerds-yearbook]

Out of the events from the DC Invasion event, the Hawk and Dove title was relaunched (vol 3, cover date June, 1989). The issue introduced Barter, Gauntlet, and Dugan created by Karl Kesel, Barbara Kesel, and Greg Guler ("Gauntlet!", Hawk and Dove 1, vol 3, Comic, event)

#nerds yearbook #real life event #first appearance #comic book #dc #dc comics #june #1989 #hawk and dove #karl kesel #barbara kesel #greg guler #hawk #dove #barter #gauntlet #dugan #khunds #donna cabot #kyke spencer #ren takamori #sal arsala #ed wolfson #justice league international #aquaman

[jerichogender]

hawk & dove crossover joey wilson written by barbara & karl kesel you will always be famous

#i love it when writers give him character flaws #joey wilson #hawk & dove (1989)

[nightmareinfloral]

Jericho- Where to Read?

Joseph William Wilson (Jericho) is the youngest son of Slade Wilson (Deathstroke) and Adeline Kane. Beneath the cut is a complete list of Joey’s major appearances updated as of January 2024. Most important issues are in bold.

The 1980s:

Tales of the Teen Titans (1984) 42-44, Annual 3, 45-48, 50-52, 56-57, 58

The New Teen Titans (1984) 1-2, 3-5

Crisis on infinite Earths (1985) 3-5, 9, 11

Who’s Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe (1985) 11

The New Teen Titans (1984) 6-10, Annual 1, 11-13, 14-15

The Omega Men (1983) 34-35

The New Teen Titans (1984) 16-17, 18, 22, 24-31

Action Comics (1938) 584

Teen Titans Spotlight (1986) 3-6

Secret Origins (1986) 13

History of the DC Universe (1986) 2

The New Teen Titans (1984) 33-34

Blue Beetle (1986) 11-14

The New Teen Titans (1984) 35-37, Annual 3, 39-49, Annual 4

The New Titans (1988) 50-55

Secret Origins (1986) Annual 3

The New Titans (1988) Annual 5, 57-59

Batman (1940) 440

The New Titans (1988) 60-61

Secret Origins (1986) 46

The New Titans (1988) 62-63

The 1990s:

The New Titans (1988) 64-67

Hawk & Dove (1989) 11-12

The New Titans (1988) 68-69

Who’s Who in the DC Universe (1990) 1

The New Titans (1988) Annual 6

Wonder Woman (1987) 47, 49

The New Titans (1988) 71, 75-79, Annual 7, 80-85. 86

Deathstroke the Terminator (1991) 1-7, 9, 11, Annual 1

Showcase ‘93 (1993) 2

Batman Shadow of the Bat (1992) 34

Deathstroke (1991) 48

JLA/Titans (1998) 1

Nightwing Secret Files and Origins (1999) 1

The Titans (1999) 10

The 2000s:

The Titans (1999) 25, 46

Teen Titans (2003) 2

Batman Gotham Knights (2000) 44

Teen Titans (2003) 3-5, 7-8

Avengers/JLA (2003) 4

Teen Titans (2003) 9, 11-12, 21

Nightwing (1995) 106

DC Special The Return of Donna Troy (2005) 1

Teen Titans/Outsiders Secret Files and Origins (2005) 1

Teen Titans (2003) 33, 39-47, 52

Countdown to Final Crisis (2007) 36

DC Universe: Last Will and Testament (2008) 1

DC Universe Decisions (2008) 3-4

Titans (2008) 6-12

Teen Titans (2003) Annual 1, 69

Vigilante (2008) 5

Teen Titans (2003) 70

Titans (2008) 13

Vigilante (2008) 6

Teen Titans (2003) 77-78

The 2010s:

DC Universe Legacies (2010) 5

Titans (2008) 37-38, Annual 1

Deathstroke (2011) 0, 13, 19-20

New Teen Titans: Games (2011)

Deathstroke (2014) 2-6, 17-20

Convergence New Teen Titans (2015) 1-2

Deathstroke: Rebirth (2016) 1

Deathstroke (2016) 1-3, 6-10, 12-16, 18

Teen Titans (2016) 8

Deathstroke (2016) 19

Teen Titans The Lazarus Contract Special (2017) 1

Deathstroke (2016) 20-25

DC Holiday Special (2017) 1

Deathstroke (2016) 26-27, Annual 1, 28 -32, 34-50

The 2020s:

Dark Knights: Death Metal: The Last Stories of the DC Universe (2020) 1

Batman Black and White (2020) 5

Deathstroke Inc. (2021) 1, 5, 7

Future State Gotham (2021) 12

Tales of the Titans (2023) 2

Thank you to @jerichogender for helping me compile!

#reading guide #joey wilson #joseph wilson #jericho #the new teen titans #teen titans #dc #dc comics

[zahri-melitor]

The current progress of my Post-Crisis 'to read' list. It just sort of keeps getting longer and I tag more stuff onto it.

Batman and ‘Tec readthrough 1990-2011 for the stretches I skipped due to lack of Batfam content

The Batman Chronicles, issues I haven’t read yet.

Batman: Shadows of the Bat issues I skipped due to lack of involvement in events

Pull the full 90s Showcase list and work out which issues still contain characters I care about and haven’t got to yet

Gotham Central

Finish Manhunter vol 3

Superboy

Impulse

Huntress 1989

Titans 1998

Teen Titans 2003

Outsiders 2003

Crisis on Infinite Earths (as I’m a maniac)

Infinite Crisis

Look at Countdown & 52

Vic Sage Question serieses

Richard Dragon serieses

Renee Montoya Question

Batwoman

Go poke at Black Canary vol 2 again to see if I bounce off it hard once more

Connor Hawke Green Arrow read

The Wonder Girl miniseries

Work out how to approach Wonder Woman

Find someone with an actual opinion on Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight to discover if there are any arcs in this worth reading or if my general impression to avoid it outside of specific recommendations/crossovers has been correct (I’ve read…crossovers. And LOTDK #100 for the Haly’s Circus retelling)

Babs Suicide Squad read!

Contemplate sticking my head into the headache that is reading JL/JLA (and then exit extremely fast, if I know me)

JLA: Tower of Babel (at a minimum while I read JL content)

A BUNCH of loosely connected Bat miniseries that I haven’t read

I should actually read Quiver, it’s on my shelf

Jaime Reyes read that covers his post 2011 appearances

Superman/Batman? Superman/Batman

Look, probably more Arrow content. Maybe some Flash content. Try to approach this sensibly by recommended writer runs rather than ‘I’m going in and going straight through!’

Continue with Wonder Woman (about to start John Byrne)

Do I go read some more of Azrael failson? I mean JPV is amusing in VERY small doses

Catwoman read, vols 1, 2 & 3

You still can’t make me read NTT

Actually get around to reading The Long Halloween/Dark Victory/When In Rome

More Ted Kord Blue Beetle, work out where I need to look

Checkmate 1988

Checkmate 2006

Martian Manhunter the Ostrander run

Hawk and Dove? Maybe?

Manhunter 1988

#crossing stuff off this is fun #but also it tends to have hugely ambitious runs to read on it

[smashedpages]

Coming off a successful miniseries that rebooted the characters, Hawk & Dove leapt into their own ongoing series on this day in 1989. Barbara Kesel, Karl Kesel, Greg Guler and Scott Hanna continued the adventures of Hank Hall and Dawn Granger, as they fought villains and learned to work as a team.

#hawk and dove #comics to remember #comic books #comics #dc comics #dc #greg guler #barbara kesel #karl kesel #scott hanna

[haveyoureadthiscomic-poll]

#hawk and dove #hawk & dove #dcu #dc comics #poll

[87dvhnk]

Jericho kissing Dove's hand like a chivalrous-ass knight. Hawk & Dove (1989) # 11.

#lmfao me #capeshit #joey wilson #king shit tbh #this man is out here larping his wildest fantasies #thriving with his friends excelling at his craft getting yeeted into shock every other page and absolutely slaying pussy regardless

[sbd-laytall]

Yeah, I can absolutely understand how she became friends with Dick.

Hawk and Dove (1989) #24

#one: Barbara's line makes me laugh evrry time #two: she looks so pretty here this art style is so good #dawn granger #dove #barbara gordon #oracle #hawk and dove #dc comics #comic series #my post

[latinotimdrake]

yeah so I've pretty much given up doing any kind of organized comics reading while school is in session but tonight I find myself flipping through Hawk and Dove (1989) Annual #1 and Batwoman (2011) because I've been meaning to get acquainted with Bette Kane for like 6 months

#will report back. if I have any particular thoughts #comics reading log #.txt

[the-ventriloquizt]

[ image: a part of a panel from Hawk And Dove (1989) #19, featuring The Creeper curled up in a ball on top of a crashed Lamborghini. He says, “Nobody appreciates good help these days...” while moping, turned away from the frame. ]

#the creeper #jack ryder

[musiconanironingboard]

5 May 2022: Official Release Series Discs 13, 14, 20 & 21, Neil Young. (2022 Reprise collection of 1980-1989 releases)

This four-CD box comprises the following:

Hawks and Doves, Neil Young (Reprise, 1980)

Re-ac-tor, Neil Young/Crazy Horse (Reprise, 1981)

This Note’s for You, Neil Young and the Bluenotes (Reprise, 1988)

Eldorado (EP), Neil Young and the Restless (Reprise Japan, 1989)

Neil Young’s catalog has become a minefield since he started reissuing all of his regular albums in addition to one of the most complex archival release programs ever to be seen, which began with the 2006 release of his 1970 concert recording with Crazy Horse Live at Fillmore East. I don’t have half the time tonight that it would take to explain how complicated his catalog is, but the item I’m posting here surely can serve as an object lesson just by its title.

Yes, this is a box containing reissues of what he considers his 13th, 14th, 20th, and 21st official releases. You practically need a diagram to keep up with this, and let me assure you—I am not kidding—Neil Young will sell you one on his merchandise website. You can see by the title that the box just skips five of his albums. My brother’s suspicion that Young wants to finish as much of his reissues and archival releases as possible before he dies seems more and more believable when things like this happen. For those who don’t know, never knew, or can’t figure it out no matter how many places and ways it is explained, the reason that five releases are skipped here is because for those five albums Neil Young was on Geffen Records, a short-lived departure from his otherwise solo-career-long tenure with Reprise Records, and he cannot get the rights to reissue them himself. If he does someday, will we get an Official Release Series Discs 15-19 box? One would hope, but even if that happens it might not even be called that, for Young hasn’t even been consistent in titling the first four boxes in this series. More on that below.

These byzantine realities don’t even take into account the notion that the three albums and one standalone EP (that was originally released only in Japan) bear little similarity to each other—there’s a world of difference between the Neil Young of Hawks and Doves and Re-ac-tor versus the Neil Young of This Note’s for You and Eldorado. Obviously an entire chapter is missing, but another argument is if the latter two are gonna be in here, Freedom (1989) really belongs there, too—Eldorado has different versions of three songs that appear on Freedom, for instance—but when you’re along for the ride with Neil Young you get the dinner you are served and if you don’t like it you don’t eat, and this particular meal has Hawks and Doves and Eldorado on the same plate even though they’re from different eras and even though the latter really should be with its close relative Freedom.

Back to the box itself, quibbles aside: above we have the front cover, hype sticker, and back cover.

Before I show you the individual album packages, let me show you what the four extant volumes of this series look like.

Okay, obviously the four boxes are three different shapes and sizes. One part of this isn’t exactly Neil Young’s fault: the first box, Official Release Series Discs 1-4, first came out in a fairly expensive incarnation using paper sleeves and gold CDs. It was later reissued (yes, a reissue of a reissue) in a cheaper edition with its four discs in jewel cases on regular silver discs. I didn’t get on this particular train until the first edition was long out of print and trading for hundreds of dollars, but I wasn’t going to miss out on the first box entirely so I have the cheap jewel-case edition. I do not know if the first pressing of box one matches the height of boxes two and three. If I ever find myself with hundreds of extraneous dollars, maybe I’ll find out.

But this does not explain why, all of a sudden, box four is shorter than two and three. Sure, it’s not by much, and it’s a little hard to tell in the photos, but see it in person and it’s obviously different. The individual album sleeves are different here, too—they’re thinner and cheaper. Many, if not all (they’re too hard to access right now or I’d check) of the sleeves in boxes two and three are gatefolds. Now one thing I noticed with boxes two and three is the boxes were a little too deep, and if you shook them while they were still sealed you could hear the actual CDs rolling right out of their sleeves. (Neil doesn’t bother with putting CDs in protective inner sleeves, he just throws them in on top of scratchy paper inserts. It’s a miracle more of them don’t get wrecked.) So perhaps the new size of the fourth box is meant to mitigate this a little. I don’t know. Young is so diligent and deliberate about so many things, but with others it seems like he spins a roulette wheel and has no consistency. 

An example of this lack of consistency, which would have me howling with irritation if someone at work did this in something I was editing, is boxes one and four are called Official Release Series while boxes two and three are called Original Release Series. Come on, man! Isn’t there anyone at Neil’s barn who can ensure something so simple doesn’t get bollocksed like this? At least the font is the same.

Another anomaly is box four is individually numbered. Two and three weren’t; I don’t know if original editions of box one were, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this is something he decided to do out of thin air beginning with box four. The number is stamped on the bottom of the box (see below).

Okay, now the album covers. As you can see, they are square. I believe the larger ones in boxes two and three are square as well, but obviously the CD isn’t any larger in those, thus giving the discs more room to roll around. Even though these in box four are cheaper feeling and looking, at least they fit their contents. Here they are on my increasingly filthy-looking ironing board cover. I really need to get a new one, but wide-format board covers are getting harder to locate! I look every time I go to Target, the original source of the board itself, and they never have any! Still, I can hear myself if I saw someone else taking pictures on an old cover like this: “Does he really think we want to see that filthy piece of fabric?! He’s probably a slob who doesn’t even realize it’s old and worn out! What does the rest of his house look like?!” I iron a lot, if you can’t tell. I really should have cropped these a bit.

The back covers of the four discs, same orientation as the photo above.

This shows the discs themselves, with the booklets underneath them. Every booklet looks just like the album cover so I didn’t give them their own photo.

Last, Neil wants to make sure that you know you can subscribe to his digital archive site. I know people who do this, and if you stream music it’s a good value. It wouldn’t matter how amazing the value was, I know what would happen if I subscribed: the money would go out of my account and I’d forget to ever even go look at the site. Streaming’s not for me (as if this tumblr account doesn’t make that obvious).

Update: After posting this, I went straight to searching online for a new wide-format ironing board cover and it’ll be here on Friday.

[nerds-yearbook]

Sudden Death was introduced in Hawk & Dove 5# vol 3 with a cover date of October, 1989. He was created by Karl and Barbara Kesel and Chris Wazniak. ("Sudden Death!", Hawk & Dove 5# vol 3, DC Comic Event)

#nerds yearbook #real life event #first appearance #comic book #dc comics #dc #october #1989 #karl kesel #barbara kesel #chris wazniak #hawk and dove #hawk #dove #sudden death #donna cabot #kyle spencer #ren takamori #russ granger #barter

[walkingatombomb]

Comics I Read Today

First up today was Animal Man #35 from 1991.

It’s the third issue in the run by writer Tom Veitch and artist Steve Dillon. Their take on the character is very different than the previous creative team (Peter Milligan and Chas Truog). It’s still edgy but more down to earth and some of the edginess seems forced.

Next was Animal Man #37 from 1991.

I missed an issue but it didn’t matter as the story is easy to follow. I like the art by Dillon - it reminds me a lot of Tim Truman.

The most interesting thing about this issue (to me) was two house ads for new DC comics that oddly were in black & white!

Finally, Hawk & Dove #3 from 1989.

I like the art by Greg Guler and Scott Hanna as it’s detailed yet cartoony and really invokes the era just before the “grim and gritty” trend set in. I also dig the old ads from Nintendo NES games. Batman the movie with Keaton was out that year and there were so many Batman merchandising ads it’s crazy.

What comics did you read today?

#comic books #my stuff

[delicateearthquakeninja]

[lastchancevillagegreen]

Friday, 24 June 2022:

Official Release Series  Discs 13, 14, 20 & 21 Neil Young (Reprise) (released in 2022; collection of albums released between 1980-1989)

It’s one thing to be a fan of Neil Young’s music, it’s another thing to be a fan of the man himself.  It’s still yet another to be a fan of his insane archival program.  If I had to rank his reissue program I’d rank it very near the bottom of any artist’s reissue program.  Neil’s reissue program rarely makes any comprehensible sense to anyone who is not Neil Young.  I’m not even going to explain it here because just explaining this new arrival is difficult and depressing enough.  Having been so disappointed with that Clash reissue (see just a couple of posts ago) I figured I’d stay in disappointment mode and buy Neil Young’s latest box of reissues. 

This set includes four albums: 1980′s Hawks & Doves, 1981′s Reactor (from Neil Young & Crazy Horse), 1988′s This Note’s For You (credited to Neil Young and The Bluenotes) and 1989′s Japanese only EP Eldorado (credited to Neil Young and The Restless).  What happened to the five albums released from 1982 through 1987 which would make up releases #15-19?  They were released on Geffen and Neil Young does not have the rights to those five albums.  Neil had a tiff with Mo Austin, CEO of Reprise and he left in a huff (but not before dissing Mo on Reactor with Surfer Joe and Moe The Sleaze; Neil might be the only artist in all eternity to hate Mo Austin, a CEO who was universally beloved and who is still beloved today and signed with Geffen.  That turned out to be a miserable moment in time because Geffen ultimately sued Neil Young for not making music like Neil Young.  Neil Young always courts controversy.  I can’t imagine why.

So, until Neil Young gets the rights to those five albums, he is delivering us this set because I get the impression that Neil Young is suddenly realizing his life on Earth could end at any given moment.  I’m not one of those people who think of my heroes or my beloved musicians in terms of ‘the clock ticking,’ honestly I find that morbid and callous.  I like to think all my favorite people are going to be here longer than I am.  Just ask Mark Rib about the inflexibility of long dreamed plans.  Plans wait for no one.  And Neil Young ain’t waiting around for rights to anything.  He has an archival program that marches on and on. 

The fact that Neil skips five albums is the least of this reissue series’ problems.  And I’m only discussing the “Neil Young Official Release Series” or is that “Neil Young Original Release Series”?  You see, Neil has been consistently inconsistent when it comes to details surrounding these sets. There have been four sets of these released thus far.  And they have had different names twice.  Check out the photo below that shows all four of the releases side by side.  (The photo comes from my brother because I didn’t buy the first set...at least not in the box configuration because for that first box, Neil gave us options that he later took away for the later released boxes.)

As you can see they come in an array of shapes and sizes!  And if you look at the names on the spines they come in an array of names!  That first box saw his first four albums released on gold CDs in standard jewel cases or you could just get the first four albums in jewel cases and skip the box.  I skipped the box.  I hated the look of the box and the way the CDs were packaged.  Then there was the version that sort of matches the next two sets: they come in these funky fake cases that mimic album covers but does a rather poor job of mimicking them.  See the photo of the first box below.

In the photo below you can see my sets standing side by side.  As I said, I bought the jewel case edition of the first four albums as stand alone releases.  I assumed since Mr Archival Young was producing this series it would be up to his usual finicky standards.  Boy, was I wrong.  Neil never offered jewel cases for individual titles again. And let’s get really confusing shall we?  Neil released Hawks & Doves and Reactor previously under a different incarnation known as “Digital Masterpiece Series.”  Needless to say, that program fizzled out in a hurry.  That was  long before he concocted The Official/Original Releases Series. In the photo beneath the picture of the spines you will find a close up of the back of Hawks & Doves using that long forgotten archival title.  And just for posterity,  Neil used to have a different logo for his NYA series as well.  You can see that logo (not very well but it does exist) in the photo below the Hawks & Doves shot.  It appeared on the back of Buffalo Springfield which came out in 1997 as an HDCD.  You can see Neil’s original logo at the bottom right, right next to the HDCD logo.

That logo is a hand holding what looks like an iPod or a mini tape recorder and it says NYA on the tape recorder. 

I’ve hated the packaging for this series as it pertains to CDs.  I think the fake LP covers are terrible and they are way too big and of course, no one considers putting a CD into a sleeve, they’d rather it roll around in these fake LP covers.  You can get a sense that things are still being formulated as to how to package this stuff.  See the photo below which gives you an idea as to how things are still changing. 

Suddenly the fake LP covers are now smaller than before.  And shorter.  I’m surprised Neil has even bothered with CDs, but I get the impression he likes money so he isn’t about to cut his own throat by denying CDs a place at the table.  But here is the real head scratcher.  The next installment of this series is rumored to include albums that have not been previously released before. I realize this whole archive project belongs to Mr Young, but for goodness sake, if he could ever be consistent it would be a shock.  The next box is rumored to include an album titled Smell The Horse while Ragged Glory will have a new title (Ragged Glory Plus) because it will include four new tracks.  Why would he include new albums in the Official/ Original Release Series?  Because he can.  And of course, I’ll keep buying them.  I’m unhappy I even wasted my money on this new set especially when I have the Digital Masterpiece Series versions of albums that would never be mistaken for masterpieces.  I wish I could find the link for Thrasher’s News that talks about new editions of Old Ways, Landing On Water and Trans that are being put together.  All new editions, mind you and not the same music as found on the Geffen albums, but an acoustic Trans, the original Old Ways that Geffen refused and I’ve forgotten what Landing On Water will behold.  The article stated Neil has 21 different releases for 2022 including a 12 disc set of Archives Vol 3.