#helluva boss is homophobic

[tired-hellowl]

here' a comprehensive list as to every problem I have with the current *unecessary characters known as 'Glitz and Glam'

Do they expand the story/worldbuilding in any meaningful way? Do they explore a new hidden dynamic/past conjunction with a differing character and is that explored meaningfully? What was the point of having them animated when Mammon can portray the same level of humiliation/degrading/on stage lack of positive reinforcements. 😐

I'm so sorry but I view these characters as necessary garbage that caused some animators arthritis via too many patterns, not enough screen time to have meat and potatoes worth of dialogue, or really any pretense within the story whatsoever and yes this extends towards every female character on screen but let's not worry about that !!! Even if they are IMPLIED to be from the ring of envy-a color or ring we haven't seen nor meaningfully conveyed to the audience that it even is possible to go in/exists- it isn't conveyed to the audience well enough besides the visual implication of colors???? Instead of having shitty b-plots that go nowhere via Stolas and Blitz goofing off in seeing stars, Moxxie and Millie getting C-plots for no reason, or loona getting a rabies shot- all of that time could have been exploring hell, going to different rings, focusing on other characters besides the main 5, literally I would prefer a quiet episode like BoJack Horsemans 'Fish out of Water'where we can actually see the personalities of the main characters be appreciated and shown to us but that's never gonna happen :/

What I've been worried about is not even the on screen racism/out of touch 'rap/hip-hop parody' leaves a terrible taste in my mouth, if that isn't enough then the sexualization/implication of an incest type dynamic and nothing else besides fetish bait with these characters constantly grabbing one another and not really acting like siblings moreso someone who has never had siblings attempting to write sibling banter and failing terribly :/

Why do you have a problem with 'Klown Bitch' it's so catchy! Uhm, no??? I feel bad for anyone who attempts to defend helluva/hazbin as good modern musicals let me grit my teeth in silence as to the glorification over white people dominating black culture

HERES A HISTORY OF FEMALE HIPHOP ARTISTS: X

Pictured above is very old concept art about twin characters and its the same hairshape viv kept to transfer over to glitz/glam- despite clearly being over designed and way too much going on Alá vivzie style. It just goes to show she recycles even from herself and not every design is always new hot and fresh :/ AND SPEAKING OF CONCEPT ART-

Also also don't forget salems' concept designs thst got passed even though they loon toony, loony, clown enough, and definitely majorly way easier to have animated besides the mess that is the current design meta ???

Love how you can clearly see the silhouettes being so easily identifiable comparably towards the actual amalgamated mess that is their current limbs attempting to hold onto their toothpick body for their head.

All this screams to me is viv using the artists thst try to come onto helluva and they try their best with what their given, viv only picks the best bits SHE thinks is worth her time rather then thinking about the audience or animating anything else besides overglorified white people rap 🤔

Also the episode literally presents its full internalized misogyny/racism within this episode because vivzie herself literally admitted to typing into script with a full chest that

'Women just ain't funny'

. . .

why present misogyny within the series if you as a creator aren't willing to tackle the subject matter? Why write about it or present it as if you're smart over including the joke in your script when it isn't even funny because it just further pushes women out of the entertainment/comedy business which mind you IS ALREADY VERY WELL MALE DOMINATED SO PUTTING OTHER WOMEN DOWN TO PUT YOURSELF UP ISNT HELPING YOUR CASE VIV???

So then what was the point of adding female clowns if all you were going to do with them was make fun of them out of their expense and then profit off of the fact that they are incest coded????????????

?????????Are we watching the same fucking series????????

#vivziepop critical #i'll add more later #helluva critique #helluva critical #helluva boss criticism #helluva boss is homophobic #helluva boss critical #i hate it here #anti hazbin hotel #anti spindlehorse #anti helluva boss #anti vivziepop #cw inc*st #I hate glitz and glam so much

[angellic-critique]

Reminder that this is the level of drag 'representation' angel dust gives :/

This is bottom of the barrel feminization towards drag performing arts :/

And since helluva boss fans are only do passive as to read everything at surface level only here is the Spitting definition of drag queens/kings

At no point is it intrinsically all about just sexual performance or sexual drive, it can be a factor or a small portion but it is not just a large generalization as much as people are trying to make drag performing seem to be.

Drag is an art form. It is a statement. It is a person of beauty and the love and appreciation of fashion and expression!

Angel Dust is the complete opposite of sex workers or drag performers at all! If AD is supposed to resemble the theme of abuse in industry [something she already failed to portray with fizzerolli] and the toll that sex workers and addicts within the industry for that matter, we have no clue how he will act in Hazbin but the sneak peek of him in leather gives me no hope if the implication is that he will purely be centered around valentinos abuse. Considering someone on the team ship's and actively adores the ship that is Angel x Valentino

How can you claim to support sex workers while actively seeing them as purely fetishism gay yaoi bait THAT YOU ACTIVELY MERCHANDISE AS """SEXY""":/

There is nothing to angel dust besides the appeal of a feminine man being sexually abused.

#anti vivziepop #fucked up #i am a transmasc nonbinary binding male please. debate me over this. ive also dealt with addict and od's within my family. #helluva boss critical #hazbin hotel critical #please stop supporting spindlehorse #vivziepop critical #anti helluva boss #please stop supporting vivziepop #spindlehorse critical #been meaning to make this post for a while #vivziepop is aphobic #vivziepop is homophobic #*if she isnt her writing sure the hell is #also im acearo while im now an ex-kinnie of AD so i know my shit as to what the fuck im talking about with vivzie history and her art ;/ #there is no characterization or bite to angel outside of his drag sona #the merch is problematic becaua ei thought the red smoke resembled the control valentino had upon him so... why???? #is it just me am i the only person noticing the problem??? #leather with no mystique and lace with all the abuse blatantly written over :x #anti raph

[incorrect-mairuma]

Baal: Fuck off, Poro.

Poro: ...

Baal: Not because you're gay, because you're annoying.

Poro: Oh...

*Two days later*

Poro: Fuck off, Baal.

Baal: Why?

Poro: Oh, not because you're annoying.

Poro: Because you're straight.

#baal is probably that one super cringe straight ally #or the “homophobic ally” #i'm talking crimson from helluva boss vibes #incorrect m!ik quotes #m!ik #m!ik incorrect quotes #mairimashita! iruma kun #mairuma #mairuma incorrect quotes #mairimashita iruma kun #m!ik baal #baal #chapter 325 #amduscias poro #poro amduscias

[pinkandpurple360]

Shippers trying to defend Stolitz:

(yes including Viv)

#helluva boss #stolitz critical #replace dickhead with homophobe #replace anyway - clowns with anyway - merch #OH—and Valentino x angel because that’s a thing

[lordofdestructionm]

Has anyone questioned why EVERYTHING in Crimson's house and everything he owns has a shark theme? The wallpaper, the table mat, the mugs, the fire grate, the lighters etc

Obviously most of his gang are sharks but this is his and previously his family's home so why the shark fetish? Shouldn't it be more imp-centric?

Unless of course this is a subconcious expression of the fact he likes sharks a little too much?

Specifically a green one that looks after him and he spends most of his time with?

#helluva boss #crimson knolastname #crimson #alessio #crimson x alessio #criminale #crim n al #vivziepop #the man has the vibe of a homophobe compensating for his own feelings

[felix-lupin]

#felix's posts #helluva boss #shitpost #fizzarolli helluva boss #fizzarolli #Blitz: HE'S not in LOVE with me im not in love with HIM its just a BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT #Fizz just giving him the homophobic dog look the entire time like sure jan

[mintaikcorpse]

Fizz looking at Blitzø say that Stolas doesn't care for him like he didn't just witness Stolas go on a date with him, get overdressed for said date with him, giggle and kick his feet, get really nervous and awkward around him, stand up looking very worried when Blitzø got pushed, and just cozy up to him the entire time they were there:

#he was really like “bffr” #YALL SAW THE FACE HE MADE IN THAT EP #LOOKED LIKE THE HOMOPHOBIC DOG AND EVERYTHING #and stolas throughout the beginning of Ozzie's was giggling and kicking his feet and twirling his hair like- #and then “he may pretend to care about me and comment on my photos and laugh at my jokes” and nothing there was a lie #ESPECIALLY the commenting on his photos part like jeez- #go to Blitzø's insta and count how many times Stolas commented on his posts #yall Fizz is literally us watching this just without some of the more detailed and dramatic knowledge #fizzarolli #helluva boss fizzarolli #fizzarolli helluva boss #blitz #blitzo #blitzø #helluva boss blitz #helluva boss blitzo #helluva boss blitzø #blitz helluva boss #blitzo helluva boss #blitzø helluva boss #stolas #stolas goetia #stolas helluva boss #helluva boss stolas #stolitz #helluva boss memes #helluva boss

[twisting-echo]

Grayluftw Callout Post!!

This document contains screenshots of the DM history of the disturbing, homophobic, and gaslighting behavior of @graylunation

This also has a lot of talk/discourse centered around Helluva Boss characters.

This document may have triggering content, so please read at your own discretion.

#trigger warning #callout #callout post #call out post #call out tw #tw #homophobe #homophobia #tw homophobia #tw gaslighting #tw emotional manipulation #tw rant #tw vent #grayluftw #graylu heartbuster #nikki1975 #StellaGoetiaFan #helluva boss #helluva boss drama #toxic people #toxic behavior #stella goetia #discourse #stella stan #helluva boss discourse #helluva boss tw #tw stella goetia #toxic helluva boss fan #gaslighting

[doodle-empress66]

Can't tell if Crim is being homophobic or supportive.

#If Crimson was homophobic #why would he force Moxxie to marry Chaz? #Guy was THIS close to calling Moxxie a slur. #Lol I’m sorry but when moxxie said I don’t know anyone who would like this I couldn’t help but say stolas #helluva boss #helluva boss season 2 episode 3 #exex and oohs #vivziepop #helluva boss moxxie #helluva boss crimson

[inu-jiru]

Stolitz Psychos: Haha you Stella defenders are just mad Stella didn’t end up like your headcanon

Me: Yeah, because the headcanons were better written and aren’t just a pisspoor attempt at making Stolas the precious baby Vivzie wants him to be. 🤷‍♀️ But what do I know?

Stolitz Psychos: GRR WELL YOU’RE HOMOPHOBIC BECAUSE YOU DON’T LIKE A FICTIONAL GAY OWL

Me: Lol whatever helps you sleep at night.

#helluva boss criticism #anti stolas #anti stolitz #feeling petty tonight lol #grr damn i’m such an evil homophobe guys #how could i side with the character who was cheated on and not the cheater aren’t i so evil #Smh I didn’t care for this type of story when Brokeback Mountain did it and I don’t care for it now

[kaleidoskuls]

i've always loved the way queerness is just like normalized in helluva boss to the point that everyone seemed to be inherently okay with it and no one had to like say their labels but i admit hearing moxxie say “im bisexual” was– is validating the right word ???

#helluva boss #yeah ik crimson's a homophobe #which means not Everyone's fine with it #and yknow it's hell so rest assured there'll be more homophobes #but idk man i just #really fucking LOVED this episode #helluva moxxie

[tired-hellowl]

When you're an addict and the silly Demon show actually wants you to recover in the worst way possible :/

#i have a lot to say about HB/HH over their blatant disregard over an actual political crisis that is tbe drug epidemic :/ #helluva boss critical #anti vivziepop #and how it feeds into the stereotype that all gay people do is “”party sex drugs alcohol and transgenderism “” #all three main male leads [Angel/Blitz/Stolas] abuse drugs or face abuse one way or another because they choose to is not the best writing: #helluva boss is homophobic #vivziepop is homophobic #brandon rogers is homophobic #blitzø is homophobic change my mind challenge

[helluva-dump]

Just gonna say it here

As much as I dislike Vivziepop and how much it a crybaby brat she acted in twitter yesterday… can you like not defend right wingers that literally donated to politicians that want to eliminate the right of lgbt people????

Like wtf… is this the hill you guys wanna die on??? Literally defending right wingers that want people like me dead????

Listen I love FNAF but I honestly cannot stand Scott, I see him the same way as Doug TenNapel. Loving their works but that doesn’t change the fact they have harmful politics. Like the dude donated to anti lgbt causes and you call people that bash him “SJWs???” Who the fuck still lives under that mentality???

No Shannon, getting rightfully angry at someone donating to bigoted people and causes doesn’t make someone an “sjw” it’s literally basic human rights.

Yes, he may not react like a baby on twitter like Viv does and I don’t think he deserves to get doxxed and harassed, but that doesn’t change the fact he donated to donations that harmful to queer people.

I swear being a critical myself, I see antis hate shit over the dumbest reasons and now I see some going too far to justify and defend someone that’s a bigot.

The only “sjws” are mainly antis that take fiction too seriously…. Like if you like a problematic character or ship, that means you support abuse and abusive irl 🙄🙄🙄 like god forbid you can’t like blitzo or Verosika because “they do horrible stuff and if you like then your horrible too”

Like holy shit, just because I like a few questionable characters doesn’t mean I support their actions. And this is coming from someone like me who doesn’t like Stolas or Stolitz but just saying people actually support abuse and r*pe is a little out of the line…

Yes, I’m annoyed with how Viv is writing the character and I want her to make them face consequences, but literally getting mad at those that still like some of these characters is honestly childish and you need to touch grass.

And before you call me an ass kiss, I do NOT like Viv. I criticized the shit out of her many times and I don’t like how she works as a “professional”, nor how she treats her employees, giving fans false hopes, and I don’t like Stans that blindly eat shit up and worship her without question.

That being said, the antis getting to the point where they will literally defend a right winger content creator or even get angry if someone likes problematic characters like blitzo or Verosika and call you a r*Pe sympathizer is insane.

If you seriously have this mentality, fucking unfollow me and do not fucking interact. If you actually that queer people are sjws for getting rightfully angry at Scott, please go fuck yourself and fuck off the critical tags.

Your only proving Viv’s point with the homophobia and that’s not fair for criticals that had valid reasons to dislike her, cut that shit out.

#helluva boss critical #anti helluva boss #yes I’m putting it on the anti tag so they can have a wake up call #scott cawthon critical #like Jesus #are you guys this fucking stupid #anti ​Vivziepop #only tagging anti viv so critical can be aware of homophobes lurking in the critical and anti blog

[serenityhange]

rewatched helluva boss from the pilot ep and i got to s1 ep3 and i just noticed VEROSIKA DOESNT EVEN TOUCH BLITZO LMAO SHE JUST PUT HER HAND OVER VORTEX'S

#i don't touch the gays #verosika homophobic /j #kinda miss katie killjoy tbh #helluva blitzo #blitzo #helluva boss blitzo #verosika mayday #vivziepop #vivienne medrano #verosika helluva boss #helluva boss verosika #helluva boss verosika mayday #helluva verosika #helluva verosika mayday #helluva boss #vortex #helluva boss vortex #helluva vortex #verosika #serenityhange thoughts #helluva boss s1 ep3 #helluva boss season 1 episode 3 #helluva boss spring broken #helluva boss s1 episode 3

[crystalsandbubbletea]

Tired of seeing RWDE posts on the RWBY tag, I just wanna scroll and enjoy RWBY posts in peace.

And apparently they're hating on Beyond??? Why??? Is it because Jaune has more screentime?

Smh they'll look at RWBY and find the most stupidest reasons to complain and to harass RWBY fans. 🤦

#RWDE people are the most toxic and homophobic and ableist people I have ever met #Imagine hating on people for their interests #And imagine weight shaming them and calling them ableist slurs #anti rwde #rwby #crystalsandbubbletea #crystals sighs into the void #crystal sighs into the void #bubble tea sighs into the void #bubble sighs into the void #tea sighs into the void #rian sighs into the void #Also imagine complaining about how BMBLB was “Too sudden” when the evidence was there SINCE VOLUME ONE #<<< Although I won't judge if you ship Sun x Blake or Blake x Ilia or Yang x Blake x Ilia #Any Blake ship and any Yang ship is cute AS LONG AS IT ISN'T BLAKE X ADAM OR YANG X ADAM OR YANG X BLAKE X ADAM OR ANYTHING ELSE PROBLEMATI #Also RWDE people who claim that RWBY has bad writing have clearly never seen Helluva Boss

[woomycritiques543]

TW: Mentions of Proship, Homophobia, "Cringe" Culture, Racism and Gay Stereotypes.

Just watched the new episode and... holy shit, that was foul!

It was terribly boring, was just used to show how "GOOD OF A PAL!" Blitz was despite the other episodes being canon and- The way homophobia was shown? OH GOD that was awful! Not because it was depicting homophobia or bad parents of gay people, especially as someone who's expericed homophobia in my own family, depicting homophobia as a "bad thing" is good and all-

BUT THIS!? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS???!

It looks like what a homophobe would draw in the #alt-right section of Twitter! This, the dildos, the man tied up and being forced to marry another gay men who's the "predator" of the group, his homophobic father being "proven right" by how predatory all the gay men he meets are. Again- look at this image and try to tell me directly that "ITS NOT INTERNALIZED HOMOPHOBIA!" Because you cant, you literally fucking cant. This scene, along with most of the mlm rep of Hazbin and Helluva Boss is that fucking (unintentionally) homophobic with how it portays it's messages.

This entire scene, and all the dildo scenes and moments of Chaz just being "the creepy gay!" stereotype from the 90s felt awful to watch... a gay man, in a show with only mainly gay men who are sex predators being forced to marry a another man so the "OH SO HEALTHY FOR HIM AND ROMANTIC WOMAN" can save him from "the big scawy sex filled mlm!" and is shown as the hero despite letting him be abused and sexually harassed by his boss. This scene directly- directly made me feel insulted as someone who's bisexual. It felt like I was having "LOL UR HOMOSEX SO UR MOSTLY IN IT FOR THE SEX!" shoved in my face like the homophobes did back in fucking elementary school. It felt like I was being bullied as a gay person just by looking at it. Especially knowing of just how many biphobes are going to see this terrible episode and point to their freinds and be like "SEE? SEE?! ITS BETTER FOR BISEXUALS TO BE WITH A WOMAN MLM (OR WLW in the pilot so far) BISEXUALS BAAAAAAAD BECAUSE MEN WHO ARE WITH MEN END UP BEING PREDATORS MEN WITH WAMAN IS BETTER BECAUSE GIRLS TAME MEN LMAO!" and use it as proof of how "bad!" the mlm bisexuals are.

This is actually one of the worst scenes in the entire series.

This entire scerario, Moxxie's father only being proven "right" because ALL THE GAY MEN IN THIS SHOW ARE SHOWN TO BE "sexual degenerates" and are only "understandable people with morality" if they're with a woman while wlw is only shown as eyecandy. It's either men who are gay are seen as a "fetish" or "predatory abusers" or the women who like mostly or specifically girls are seen as "eyecandy" for the mostly male audience and as a result is validating the homophobes, racists, and ableists in her audience further. So its actually doing the opposite of what was intended for this franchise. It's validating homophobes, not challenging their mindsets to have it's cake and eat it too. They could have easily forced Moxxie to marry a woman (y'know, to show that straight fathers doing this is wrong?! A message we need in this current era of this still happening so much?!) to show how extreme homophobes are and how they see being gay as a "insult to being a man!" but instead they have him surround the marriage with dildos and force him to marry a gay man who's interpreted here as a "sex predator who wont give up his Moksie!" and all.

The fact that they made Chaz a literal 90s stereotype of a gay man here, most gay men in the show being depicted as "predatory" combined with the visuals of dildos everywhere and the only mlm marraige in the show being a forced one-

WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF MESSAGE IS THIS?!

Its no wonder so many fans who defend this show say the word "f^^got!" and "r^tard!" as a insult. This show validates people like that, constantly! Both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are used as "evidence" that we are "sex predators!" or that people with autism are "stupid butt monkeys who are slow and wont amount to much! So at the end of the day- no matter how much Helluva Boss fans claim that this show is "really helping the community" (in which if you like the rep, good for you, but the mass amounts of stereotyping doesnt it make it any less damaging for us all as a whole, the facts are the facts, showing homophobia and gay men this way gives homophobes more validation!) there will always be thousands of fans like this (TW: If you find this thread dont go too far there's literal Octavia ^^^^^ in it) fans like this because of how the show presents both lgbtq+, black people, and people with disablities:

If the show had good representation, there wouldn't be thousands upon thousands of the fans in websites like 4chan or K^wifarms. It's really that simple... if not extremely sad. AKA: Helluva Boss Season Two Episode Three is validating literal homophobes, racists, and transphobes. It's doing the complete opposite of what was intended and literally is giving homophobes a safe space. Jesus Christ! Also, Vivziepop likes South Park, a show full of transgender stereotypes and homophobia and is only "progressive" to cover up how awful it is.

So that explains how the episode came out this way.

Also, summary of the South Park Scene: Cringe Culture, same for the scene in HB mocking gay men who like furries, ironically, despite being a show that revolves around furries, just because it was porn that revolved around bronies (how cringe! somehow...) and not furry wolves because "ponies too gay lmao!" apparently. Also, they had the narrative react by having people throw up by seeing it. This entire episode was god awful. Season Two as a whole is god awful...

#helluva boss #helluva boss season two #helluva boss criticism #vivziepop criticism #helluva boss critical #this episode actually disgusted me on so many levels #literally the only people ive seen objectively praise it are stans or homophobic hatedom fans from 4chan. #aka bootlickers of homophobes or the phobes themselves.