#like a plantagenet

[scribblesincrayon]

THE WHITE QUEEN 10-Year Anniversary Week -> Free Day

As always, I’m a bit late with this post, but I sort of deliberately saved it for today, August 22.

It is the 538th anniversary of the Battle of Bosworth. Richard III, the last Plantagenet king, was “piteously slain” in battle and Henry Tudor began a new era of English history, later reigning as Henry VII. To the victor go the spoils.

Richard III was king for only a brief time, but thanks in part to being Shakespeare’s most compelling character, and later to those historians who revised the public view of this 15th century monarch, Richard lives on, possibly the Plantagenet era’s only real modern celebrity.

The White Queen indirectly spawned Plantagenet Shade, a podcast co-hosted by @grand-duchessa and yours truly, @scribblesincrayon. Our very first episode was actually about Philippa Gregory’s Cousins War series. Unsurprisingly, however, our most popular episode was about Richard III and Ricardian fiction, featuring The Sunne in Splendor and The Seventh Son.

Check it out!

#twq10 #richard iii #the white queen #like a plantagenet #ALL THE FEELS #battle of bosworth #the day chivalry died #podcast people #plantagenet shade #historical shenanigans

[17isrighthere]

George will not be King. Parliament would not agree. Your father has risked everything, and he has lost. EDWARD IV & GEORGE PLANTAGENET THE WHITE QUEEN — 1x03: The Storm (2013)

#the key to enjoying media is to view everything through a silly lens #im going thru every episode and i was gonna post in order but i really liked this one lol so its early #the white queen #twqedit #perioddramaedit #tvedit #thewhitequeenedit #perioddramasource #usertreena #userzil #usersjen #userfefa #userlenna #tusereliza #userbennet #tuseraixa #2605 #edward iv #max irons #george plantagenet #david oakes #usersansa #userrizz

[english-history-trip]

Pages from a 13th century manuscript with depictions of the kings of England from Edward the Confessor to Edward I, accompanied by brief summaries of their reigns, along with some highlighted stories.

Edward the Confessor receiving a divine apocalyptic vision from God during an Easter banquet.

Harold II being slain by William I at the Battle of Hastings.

William II, Henry I, Stephen, and Henry II are shown in simple poses with the dates of their lives and reigns.

Richard I first in his imprisonment in Austria, then his assassination at the hands of a boy with a crossbow.

John being poisoned by a monk at Swineshead Abbey (other accounts state that he dies of dysentery).

Henry III at his coronation, symbolically holding a miniature Westminster Abbey, which was lavishly rebuilt under his reign.

Edward I, then the current king, presiding over his court; the accompanying description was either lost or never completed.

#just stumbled on this and thought it was Neat #John does not like the look of that chalice #plantagenets #normans #anglo-saxons #manuscript

[angevinyaoiz]

Situationships in 1189 on the way to the Third Crusade

#richard the lionheart #philip augustus #12th century #richilippe #memes #my art #doodles #The third crusade #historical memes #Tfw u got another bride negotiation on the way #But u gotta pretend like ur cool #Plantagenets #Capetians

[earlgodwin]

that's our handsome ecology-loving guy <3

#the way he rarely throws us crumbs LOL #he's sooo fine i miss him on screen #i mean we're gonna be seeing him in s3 vikings 2024 #but like we need ither projects 😭😭 #i love him so much lol he's a dork #david oakes #the borgias #vikings valhalla #the pillars of the earth #the white queen #juan borgia #george plantagenet #william hamleigh #natalie dormer #ripper street #earl godwin #text post

[ffb6c1lover]

nightmare blunt rotation

#richard would be shaking in fear like a small dog and only smoking after edward's third pull #george would say he smoked heavier stuff and never stop coughing #edward would be chill but also pissing himself laughing at george #richard iii #george plantagenet #edward iv #the white queen #I think it's important to say that despite all appearances I have never smoked more than a cigarette #but neither have they so that would be fun to watch

[musicalyeetreblr]

This is what the main cast of Sarazanmai looks like to me

#ion even watch this #this post was brought to you by #me looking at toi and being like #wait a minute 🤔 #and making a lot of jokes about kensuke and enta #sarazanmai #enta jinnai #toi kuji #kazuki yasaka #reo niiboshi #mabu akutsu #hero omori #kensuke aida #richard plantagenet #richard iii #klavier gavin #hetalia austria #roderich edelstein #omori #neon genesis evangelion #nge #baraou no souretsu #requiem of the rose king #rotrk #ace attorney #aa #hetalia #hetalia world twinkle #hetalia world stars #hetalia world series

[fideidefenswhore]

Thomas Stafford was the ninth child and second surviving son of Henry Stafford, 1st Baron Stafford and Ursula Pole. Little is known of his early life, first being mentioned in 1550 as he travelled to Rome, where he associated with his uncle Reginald Cardinal Pole. He spent three years in Italy before travelling to Poland, obtaining the recommendation of King Sigismund Augustus who requested Mary restore him to the Dukedom of Buckingham. Augustus's appeal appeared to have no effect. When Stafford returned to England in January 1554 he joined the rebellion led by Thomas Wyatt; this arose out of concern of Mary's determination to marry Philip II of Spain. The rebellion failed and Thomas was captured and briefly imprisoned in the Fleet Prison before fleeing to France. There, he intrigued with other English exiles and continued to promote his claim to the English throne. On 18 April 1557 (Easter Sunday) Stafford sailed from Dieppe with two ships and over 30 men. Landing in Scarborough on 25 April 1557, he walked into the unprotected castle and proclaimed himself Protector of the Realm,[2] attempting to incite a new revolt by denouncing the Spanish marriage, railed against increased Spanish influence and promised to return the crown "to the trewe Inglyshe bloude of our owne naterall countrye".[1][3][4] Stafford claimed he had seen letters at Dieppe showing that Scarborough and 12 other castles would be given to Philip II and garrisoned with 12,000 Spanish soldiers before his coronation.[5] Three days later, the Earl of Westmorland recaptured the castle and arrested Stafford and his companions. Stafford was beheaded for treason on 28 May 1557 on Tower Hill, after imprisonment in the Tower of London. Thirty-two of his followers were also executed after the rebellion.[6].

#rlly showcasing hcavill's 'acting' here...anyways. let me mind my business #i need the tudors to be less underrated than it is bcus like. the way i totally buy this was a rant he totally gave... #'they have plantagenet blood in their veins' (so do you; babygirl) and all #bcs like. he is truly the worst. but is he wrong? #thomas stafford like my grandfather was right! the tudors suck dhfagrfwragfm #honestly the reason being given as her marriage to felipe ii was probably just a pretense #also yes this is all from wiki. don't judge me . #for all the faults of the writing (and it had plenty) it really like...took you to that emotional place #of this is the worst man in the world but also. he's sort of right. and just lets you sit #in the discomfort of that... #and also that this is all his self-fulfilling prophecy to some extent. reginald pole wrote that indictment of him #but he didn't have it widely published until he. yk. killed his entire fucking family bar geoffrey #(and then this does happen to edward courtenany to some extent too. altho it seems he was more pawned than complicit) #marian #henrician #i actually didn't know about this rebellion ...really contradicts that narrative #that all mary's plantagent relatives 'adored' her; huh?

[merrymorningofmay]

documentary host: thinking about locking up your king is one thing, but actually saying it to his face is flirting...

me: yea

documentary host: ...with treason

me: oh

#for a trashy doc this one sure has lots of intense gazing between re-enactment henry iii and re-enactment simon de montfort #actually enjoying this plantagenets series bc i get all the family drama without committing to like 5+ seasons of a real tv show #mari rambles

[wonder-worker]

“…The Anglo-Saxon era is often thought of as having been a golden age for women. Since the late eighteenth century, it has been a commonplace that women in England had better rights before the Norman Conquest than they did afterwards, and were held in higher esteem by society. Before 1066, said one eminent historian in the mid-twentieth century, men and women enjoyed ‘a rough and ready partnership’. As so often with golden ages, however, this picture rests on a selective reading of very limited and debatable evidence. One of its principal props is an account of German women written by the Roman historian Tacitus towards the end of the first century AD. These women, claimed Tacitus, were virtuous, frugal and chaste, and supported their sons and husbands by encouraging them to acts of valour. But this was simply a Roman praising ‘barbarian’ society in order to criticize his own. German women were portrayed as laudable because, unlike their Roman counterparts, they did not conduct adulterous affairs or waste their time at baths and theatres. The reality, unfortunately, seems to be that the status of women in first-century Germany and Anglo-Saxon England was no better than it was in later centuries.”

-Marc Morris, "Anglo-Saxons: The History of the Beginnings of England, 400-1066” / Pauline Stafford, "Women and the Norman Conquest"

Anglo-Saxon England has thus been a Golden Age variously of women's domestication, women's legal emancipation, women's education and women's sexual liberation. The length of a tradition which has changed so fundamentally over time is no guarantee of its veracity. A cursory view of a range of evidence from either side of the 1066 divide casts immediate doubt on the idea of a brutal Norman ending of the Golden Age. The raw statistics of Domesday, for example, suggest a different picture of England on the eve of the Norman arrival. No more than five per cent of the total hidage of land recorded was in the hands of women in 1066. Of that five per cent, 80-85% was in the hands of only eight women, almost all of them members of the families of the great earls, particularly of earl Godwine, or of the royal family. By the tenth and eleventh centuries women other than the queen are virtually absent from the witness lists of the royal charters, and thus apparently from the political significance such witness lists record.”

#anglo-saxons #anglo-saxon england #norman conquest #english history #gender tag #medieval #I don't necessarily agree with Stafford about Henry I #He did name his daughter Matilda his heir but it's not really as simplistic as she makes it seem #We know he remarried soon after his son's death to a young woman who he travelled extensively with her to try and conceive another son #It was only after 5 years when it became clear that he and his second queen weren't having kids that he nominated Matilda #And even then he never shared authority with her (including authority in her own dower lands that HE gave her) #Also as multiple historians have pointed out - while Matilda was his immediate heir it's highly likely that he hoped to live long enough #to directly transfer the kingdom to his eldest grandson #Even some of Matilda's own supporters seem to have viewed the situation in a similar manner - for example the Gesta Stephani states that #Robert of Gloucester viewed Henry Plantagenet as his grandfather's true heir #ie: many contemporaries probably unfortunately viewed Matilda as a 'transitional point' so to speak #So while I do think that Henry I should be remembered as someone who tried to pass the throne to his daughter #I don't really think the picture was as straightforward or as empowering (in a sense) as Stafford paints it as #The reality was much more complex and frustrating and typical of its times #And I do think it does Matilda a disfavour to overlook that

[scribblesincrayon]

TWQ 10th Anniversary

It's hard to believe it's already been 10 years since that fateful week in 201 3 when this show first aired on BBC/Starz and created an instant fandom around people who have been dead for more than 500 years. Granted at least part of our obsession with the show was the vast fodder for historical shenanigans and medieval snark it provided, but it also spawned hundreds of GIF sets, thousands of words of fanfiction, some ship wars, genuine and lasting friendships, and at least one podcast. (Ahem, that would be Plantagenet Shade, co-hosted by @grand-duchessa and yours truly, @scribblesincrayon). You can't really ask any show to do more than that.

THE WHITE QUEEN 10-Year Anniversary Week ->Favorite Episode: “Love and Death”

The title and its initial focus on Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville notwithstanding, the emotional core of this show was definitely the relationship between Anne Neville and Richard III, which was showcased so prominently in Episode 6, aptly titled "Love and Death."

The end of the episode, where Richard whisks Anne away in the dead of night and offers himself up in marriage was so beautifully realized in terms of both the cinematography and the acting, and that kiss scene as the snow swirled around them in the pale blue moonlight was just gorgeous. Those images have stayed with me for a decade now!

#twq10 #the white queen #richard iii #anne neville #historical shenanigans #like a plantagenet

[english-history-trip]

Initial letter A from a book of hours owned by Isabella of France, containing a rare contemporary image of Isabella herself. Dating from the beginning of the 14th century, the book was likely a gift on her marriage to Edward II in 1308.

#This was one of the most exciting things I found while I was digging through manuscripts #there's a billion images of Isabella bc of Froissart's Chronicles but they're all from at least 20 years after her death #I didn't like 'discover' it but I'd never seen it before #plantagenets #manuscript

[angevinyaoiz]

Hiii, I'm a newbie :') Could you recommend me books and documentaries about Richard and Philip, and that period in general (12th century)? I read somewhere that a new book about their relationship came out recently. Thank you <3

Hi! Thanks for asking. Its funny since I still think of myself as a "newbie" in a lot of ways since I just got into this whole mess of 12th Century England/France drama probably around like last December, so there are definitely lots of people who know more (ppl, feel free to suggest anything if I haven't mentioned it)

To my knowledge there aren't any specific books or sources that are just about their interactions (aside from That One Recent Fiction book that is. Well that's it's OWN thing lmao) but since the family affairs of the Angevin-Plantagenets and the French kings were very closely entwined with the rest of the family and various other parties, there's lots of overlap.

I personally love it because on one hand it's Free Soap Opera Entertainment, and on the other, a look at a time and environment that is very fascinating and extremely different than the time we live in now. Here I've listed the different books and video I've gotten around to, my thoughts on them, as well as some of my thoughts on uhhhh historical RPF shipping in general:

Books:

The Plantagenets by Dan Jones - An overview of the dynasty overall. A good general read, and available as audiobook! Should be available in most libraries. I haven't finished it since I've only read up to the reign of Henry III, but it presents the overall timeline in an entertaining and straightforward way, with a lot of general context and room for showing the colorful personalities of these Messy Bitches

Henry the Young King by Matthew Strickland - this is probably my FAVORITE of the books I've read so far! Sadly out of print, but it's available to borrow on The Internet Archive, and copies can be found pretty easily on eBay :) It focuses on Henry II's original heir, the titular Henry the Young King, eldest of his son who was co-crowned with him, rebelled against him, fought against Richard in Aquitaine, and died early. It goes into a study of his person and role in the politics of the day, how kingship and war were viewed in the 12th century and a lot about the weird lord/vassal relationship between the French and English Kings that made up the bulk of the conflict and drama. Very long and comprehensive, but very readable. I came away with a much better understanding of everything from this book especially.

Richard the Lionheart: King and Knight by Jean Flori. Flori has a very entertaining writing style that somehow is very funny to me when he's talking about the interpersonal dramas, especially with Philip during and after the crusades. The first half is a biography, the latter half of the book is devoted to exploring the concept of chivalry and how it developed, and also exploring subjects of Richard's legend and image

He has many amusing but overall respectful beefs with fellow historian John Gillingham's scholarship throughout, especially in regards to the much debated subject of his sexuality.

Richard I by John Gillingham - haven't finished this one yet but enjoying what I've read so far. Gil is more detailed in some aspects, which is pretty fun. Apparently he has a reputation (from Flori) for being a bit too much of a Richard fanboy which I haven't come across yet but he is informative, including accounts from Muslim historians during the Third crusade.

I haven't read as much specific media/biographies about Philip and the Capetians, and thus all my media is very Plantagenet-biased. there is an educational graphic novel in French that looks interesting but I don't have access to it (and also I don't speak French but. Ah well). For my purposes however since the role of Louis Vii and Philip II are very entwined with the story of the Angevins we do get a pretty decent look into people's personalities, decisions and behaviors, and how they viewed loyalty and kingship in a lot of the books above.

VIDEOS

"Britain's Bloodiest Dynasty" timeline documentary centering about King Henry and his drama with Becket and his sons and hosted by Dan Jones (who also wrote The Plantagenets, which I listed in the books section) It's a pretty fun and understandable intro, even if the overly dramatic faux Game of Thrones reenactment is really corny and also hard to see because the lighting is SO dim. It's a little oversimplified and focuses a bit too much on analyzing Henry's Personality as the source of his Issues rather than maybe looking at a wider picture, but it's fun and very beginner friendly.

Confessions de l'histoire - french web series in a reality show "confessional" style about historical figures, there's a video on the 2nd crusade (focuses on Eleanor of Aquitaine and Louis VII's relationship), and one on the 3rd crusade (with Richard and Philip) It's very comedic focused but from what I've watched includes a LOT of detail. It scratches my itch for that goofy edutainment but good quality.

Secrets de Histoire - Alienor d'Aquitaine - this one is also french only but documentary focusing on Eleanor's life . It also has very goofy Reenactors in it with one of the worst wigs I've ever seen, as well as reusing footage from the earlier documentary and other movies loool

"The Place of Battle in the Context of Civil War c. 1100-1217" Lecture by Matthew Strickland about how people viewed (or avoided) Battles specifically in the context of civil wars and dynastic contexts. - I love watching lectures by the authors of books ive read, and this one is both very watchable and provides some great context!

On Shipping

My approach to my yaoi delusions (both in general fiction and in perceptions of historical people) is mostly that i am less concerned about "was XYZ queer FOR REAL," since while I do find serious discussions of historical queer history etc very interesting, a lot of this is more separately blasting my problematic sicko radioactive beam of perception in any direction lol. I like seeing characters who are tied up in a web of context (especially familial/dynastic context) and I love knowing familial-cultural background since it gives me a lot of fun material to work with for characterization. Learning more details the better for me, since a lot of the reality is stranger and more fortuitous than fiction , and thats what makes the characters unique, having so many angles to them. But also in the end, it really is all a delusion informed by my very 21st century fujo inventor taste, and I like keeping that in mind, as a sort of separate category from being informative haha. I could write about my headcanons and how I make things interact with the fictional portrayals, as well as thoughts on eh various problematicisms. But this has gone on long enough. Those are posts for another day...That being said I'm weak for both serious drama behavior and really silly drama behavior and the way people come across in these books especially lend itself well to both .

Hope this was somewhat helpful! I enjoyed reading a lot of this a lot, it's a fascinating subject, thanks for giving me a chance to ramble about it.

#12th century #Medieval history #Historical RPF #Historical #Resources #The Plantagenets #Capetians #Asks #Long post. Like really long #richilippe #shipping #angevin

[earlgodwin]

i really love this guy so much because he always puts his entire pussy into embodying the bizarrely charming scheming renaissanic aristocratic multifaceted underdog brother who you grow to deeply care about and eventually root for...someone give him all the accolades stat!!

#specifically juan borgia and george plantgenet like woahhhh #i miss him so much get him back on my screen right now #vikings valhalla s3 move your ass right tf nowww #david oakes #juan borgia #george plantagenet #the borgias #the white queen #text post

[kazz-brekker]

reading up on english history is just like “damn bro this also happened in asoiaf”

#i'm reading a book on the plantagenets #i feel like the anarchy hews so close the dance of the dragons that reading up on it practically spoils you for the show #(more inter-family atrocities in hotd tho) #pie says stuff #pie reads #history #asoiaf #also i just realized the other day that bran and rickon are meant to be parallels to the princes in the tower #to be clear i'm not an idiot i do know my english history #but i've spent most of my history minor studying stuff other than european history so it's kind of fun to come back to it

[tithe2hell]

Truly hilarious how, despite getting 3 social media accts nuked, I have had more peace and love on the planet earth (my brain) and more ease drawing and posting crusaders RPF than I have in a long time in other various "fandoms." I know this is a numbers thing and I would probably be fleeing if shit was bigger and more insufferable but honestly seeing all the moral handwriting in 100% fictional fandom spaces feels so small far away at this point. Why were people haranguing about whether their fave country personifications or superheroes are incest or not. Anyway I NEED to make the real life 800 yo dead brothers touch each other's dicks and reincarnate as Cringe

#No shade to my time in fandoms just #What is going on. Ever. #Good thing about Plantagenets is they were all horrid so you can't like #Take a side lmao