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violecov · 15 days
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Ungoliant elf-shape.
I want soo bad her having an elven shape😢
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cilil · 4 months
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One of the most fascinating things about Melkor will always be how he's by far the mightiest created being with lots of powers, abilities, intelligence and wisdom yet somehow manages to be grossly incompetent when it comes to basic tasks
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hirazuki · 1 year
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I think the common interpretation of Melkor spreading strife among the Noldor is that these anti-Valar rumors reached Feanor second- and third-hand... but think of the comedic potential of Melkor trying to gain Feanor's ear in person, in disguise, and being repeatedly blocked by various family members and thus turning to increasingly desperate and ludicrous ploys.
ps. his idea of an adequate disguise is changing one (1) aspect of his color palette and diminishing his stature to elf proportions XD
(Also! I have finally gone through my posts and tracked down all my crossover comic strips; I never expected to have so many ^^; You can now find them under the 'silmarillion's new groove' tag on my blog here!)
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kaustic · 2 years
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look man all im saying is that if i was approached by a hot, dark haired sapiosexual who told me he'd give me everything i need in order to create masterpieces that push the limits of reality AND would love and cherish me, i too would abandon god. so i think we should cut sauron a bit of slack
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urwendii · 9 months
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Imbë verse: my own headcanons regarding Melkor.
- The fact he was made as the Greatest of all Ainur, Eru giving him powers over all the gifts, ultimately cause his ruin. I like to think Melkor as some sort of red giant that burned its fuel too fast and ultimately supernova and collapses unto itself (and create a black hole. I love this imagery the most considering how black holes don't even let light escape.)
- He really did care about Mairon. Even if he did mansplain manwhore manipulate his way into his pants. But he really cared in his own way. To me he's not really on the romantic spectrum, he's beyond this, so maybe it's a bit different, he's not really aro either but it's somewhere in the middle. It doesn't mean it wasn't real. At first.
- The Chaining in Mandos severely messed with his sanity, spending 3 V.A in total isolation will do that to someone. I hc that aside Námo no one was allowed to interact with him, he was kept in a cell that would be cut off of sounds, light, even sense of time and space.
- The obsession with the Silmarils was probably the first indication of a more insidious madness (enhanced by his captivity, fear of death and struggle with Ungoliant: she did torture him. HIM. The Mightiest of the Ainur. *shudders*.)
- By the time he's known as Morgoth after he's back in Endóre his mind has been warped into utter nihilism without a real agenda anymore (his erratic behaviour kinda hints at this.) This is when his relationship with Mairon implodes.
- He's obsessed with the light of the Silmarils because it's an echo of that part of him that burned long ago and that he can't regain anymore. Nothing escapes back from a black hole after all. (Yes yes Hawking radiation ... ARE WE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION NOW???)
- FEAR OF DEATH. HES AN IMMORTAL GOD FEARING DEATH. I LOSE MY MIND OVER THIS EVERYTIME. He's weakened and wounded and cornered and stupid elves keep challenging him to 1o1 or breaking in his house. He's tired and mad and where the fuck is his Lieutenant now ??
Basically Eru fucks him up by giving him too much power without ensuring he would be able to sustain it. I really like in stories when people get consumed by the sheer might of their powers and ultimately become controlled by it. Its a tragedy in itself.
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light-of-the-two-trees · 10 months
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Me with the 794839107368 WIPs I have
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z-h-i-e · 7 months
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So I'm procrastinating, and I figured, you could procrastinate with me.
Did you know, even if you don't know how to play piano, if you stick to just the white keys and poke around at anything, it will still sound relatively good, because you're just staying in C Major the whole time.
And if you swap and play on just the black keys (fun this time of the year for dramatic autumn music), it will also generally sound good, because it's pentatonic scale time.
Have fun plunking around on the virtual piano, even if you've never played music before.
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Long term anxiety and depression really just make mush out of your brain...
So many half-formed and bitty thoughts, ideas and plans and zero ability to follow through because they're all too slippery to properly grab a hold of and work on.
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gerardspuppy · 2 years
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blushing and kicking my legs thinking of melkors arms and fucked up hands and sexy gothic makeup and-
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outofangband · 3 months
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Textual significance of Morwen being accused of witchcraft
Aka the essay draft I’m posting earlier than I should be because I wanted to post this on my birthday
my tag for this topic is word ran among them where there are way too many posts. I’ve written at length about the implications in universe and real life connotations but here are some thoughts on why Tolkien chose to include this detail in The Silmarillion and The Children of Húrin
This is my first draft of this, written as bullet points. I’m going to make a more essay style version with more sources. Pretty much all of these I have posts about, and as I said, I’m very fixated on this topic so I’m definitely looking forward to elaborating a lot of this
I actually have studied the history of witchcraft accusations and their sociopolitical contexts for years and I’m so happy it’s going to such great cause :/
cw: discussion of misogyny both in universe and historical
It’s also worth mentioning that while these accusations didn’t exist in the very first drafts of The Children of Húrin, such as the book of lost tales version, they exist in pretty much every version that Morwen herself exists in as Morwen (that is, not in the book of lost tales versions or versions of The Lay where her name is different)
-It makes Morwen’s situation precarious when her survival is needed for the plot and the doom; she’s hated and feared and shunned but not directly attacked due to that fear. She’s alive but in danger, poverty and isolation.
It also puts the reader in fear for her. Good things do not happen to women who are accused of witchcraft
Witch hunts and witch trials are events that bring cruelty, paranoia and betrayal. The invoking of this adds to the bleak atmosphere of post Nírnaeth Hithlum. The phrasing, “word among them” or rumor ran among them, depending on the version , adds to this atmosphere of paranoia and whispers, and not knowing who to trust.
-It highlights the regressive beliefs of her accusers*. and emphasizes certain aspects of Morwen’s character. Morwen is very clearly not a witch. She is however a severe and intelligent woman who canonically challenges the men around her.
She’s also presumed to be a widow. Historically, especially when women were thought to be the property of their husbands, it has often been unmarried women and widows who were persecuted as witches*
The exact reasons given in the text are somewhat vague. “But so great was the beauty and majesty of the Lady of Dor-lómin that the incomers were afraid and whispered among themselves that she was perilous and a witch skilled in magic”, “proud and fair as a queen she was…Witchwife they called her and shunned her”. These descriptions alongside other descriptions of Morwen’s personality and countenance can easily track with commonalities among women who have historically been accused; she is fiercely independent, blunt in her words and proud.
“These were women given to speaking out, to a bold tongue and independent spirit. It is no surprise that such unwelcome, even feared speech, could be mistaken for wicked enchantment”Mona Chollet wrote in a recent nonfiction book on the history and legacy of witch hunts.
-Morwen specifically being related to the elves (“he had thought that he looked in the fell eyes of an elf”, “word ran among them that she was perilous and a witch who had dealings with the elves”, “Witchwife it is but elf friend in the new language”) also is used to show how deeply Melkor has managed to turn human and elven populations against each other
I cannot say if Tolkien intended this but this aspect mirrors a common theme in witch hunts historically. I talked about this before but many if not most accused women were accused of either obtaining their alleged powers through communion with non humans or otherwise engaged with them.
I have…way too many posts about this specific connection
-I also definitely want to do more about what exactly the lore is for witches in first age Beleriand, what it’s believed they are and what it’s believed they can do
-Morwen being feared by the occupiers mean that she is largely left alone by them. She’s still suffering, we know there were times that she and Niënor nearly starved, and its implied she faces harassment and intimidation but despite the doom on Húrin’s family, she is able to resist being driven from Hithlum for decades.
Morgoth canonically sews dissent, mistrust and prejudice. The prejudice of the occupiers here has the potential to interfere with Morgoth wanting to use Húrin’s family to hurt him. This fits neatly into Tolkien’s themes of evil hindering itself.
-It highlights her as a cultural outsider. It is specifically Morwen, a refugee and exile who is accused of having sinister powers and alliances with an enemy. I think this is especially interesting because, in the earlier version of The Children of Húrin, the occupiers were comprised largely of men from Hithlum
-It adds to the power of her character and makes parallels with other confrontations and struggles with villains that members of her family have. It’s easy to parallel for example the lines about Húrin not being daunted by Morgoth’s eyes or Niënor staring down Glaurung with the encounter between Morwen and Brodda. And while it is true that he might not be quite as powerful or dangerous as Morgoth or Glaurung, if he kills or hurts her, she’s going to be just as dead or traumatized as she would be if he were a god or dragon. Her courage is extraordinarily powerful and harrowing. Does this make sense?
Anyways happy birthday to me, thank you for reading all of this and for your patience with my rambling which I have done so much of on this topic and will continue to do more of
End note: I wanted to add another note about how the position Morwen is in can also be used to show Aerin’s bravery in helping her; Aerin takes great risks to help her people and the danger she faces for her aid to Morwen is even more extreme; she faces extreme physical abuse for it. But I have several posts about this already and I think it deserves its own post
Sources
Fearless Wives and Frightened Shrews: The Construction of the Witch in Early Modern Germany
Mona Chalet, Stacy Schift
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welcomingdisaster · 11 months
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Ok so I’m rotating ideas about elves and mythology and decided to drop some ramblings in your ask box because of all the wonderful theatre-related thoughts you’ve been sharing!! The thing is that the silm is a mythology right. Like it’s written in that style, and the heroes of LoTR and the later Ages in general are always explicitly looking back to the stories of the First Age (see: Aragorn wanting to cosplay Beren and Lúthien with Arwen). But what were the myths, the cultural stories, of the Elves of the First Age? In Tirion what were the stories that Maglor might write a play retelling or subverting, that Elemmírë might make a new song about, that Míriel might have woven into a tapestry? All cultures have ancient myths – but these characters are a) living at the very dawn of the world, and b) are all going to become mythological figures themselves! It makes me a bit insane. My thoughts are that they told a lot of stories about the war the Valar made on Melkor, and also about Cuivienen and the awakening of the elves, but honestly I don’t KNOW. What do you think? (No pressure to answer this is very random I realise) ❤️❤️
NO I love these thoughts!!! My thoughts generally go along the same vein as yours in terms of the general themes of elven myths. Here are some possibilities I imagine:
Whichever continent the elves in question are not seeing is often the center of the stories. The Sindar and Avari in middle-earth myth-make a lot about the lands in the west; the Eldar in Valinor myth-make about middle-earth. Since we're talking about Elemmírë, Míriel, and Maglor I'll stick to the latter.
I imagine there's aways the pervasive idea of secret Ainur no one has discovered yet. No matter how many times the Valar go "no we promise we're all here in Valinor, there's no other Valar left" there's 100% an elf somewhere going "have you heard about the Vala of bogs? yeah they live in middle earth and they're in charge of all the bogs there and if you aren't careful you'll be stuck serving in their bog court"
Not to mention elves who know Aulë and have heard that his people sleep under the earth, waiting for their time to awake. I'm sure for some elves tell it as simply that, but over time another pervasive myth develops -- stories of great dwarven kingdoms under the earth, kingdoms they're barred from seeing, stories of seven great dwarven kings, each much like Aule in face, each possessing a specific sort of magic.
Imin, Tata, Enel, etc! Not only do we canonically get them as a counting story, I imagine their fates are also something that ends up being talked about? They do not seem like they ever ended up in Valinor -- what happened to them? I feel like elven stories can tend to go along the lines of "and then he turned into a tree" or "he still dwells by the sea where he was born" or "he fell into the cracks of the mountains during the war and became one with the earth."
Myth as a way to explore cultural taboos! Elves coming to Valinor, a land with no pain or crime, with the shadows of war and suffering behind them -- I imagine they must explore taboo and pain through storytelling. What happens to an elf that leaves his wife for another? What happens to an elf who poisons her sister? I imagine there's some gruesome/creepy stories that come out there, but are told with a naïveté to the actual truth of what violence looks like. Something along the lines of "and then the servants of Melkor hacked the elven king into bits, so his wife had to go looking for each piece of him in every corner of the world and sew them back together"
The sea!! Must I say more. The elves emerged from the sea, and they long for it -- yet they cannot go too far into the waves without drowning, and they do not know what lurks under the waves. I imagine myths centering around sea-creatures, around the souls of the drowned, around elves (mer-elves?) who never left the sea and make their kingdoms underneath the waters, etc.
Just some ideas!! If anyone else wants to contribute headcanons for early elf myths to his post, please do!
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cilil · 5 months
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Aulë is basically an in-universe fandom dweller who has his problematic blorbos (for example Fëanor) and will defend them even if other people are pissed at them
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ceescedasticity · 21 days
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Revised list of possible Cuiviénen causes of death not related to Melkor
1. Natural disasters
--1a. Wildfires
--1b. Flash floods
--1c. Non-flash floods
--1d. Landslides
--1e. Earthquakes
--1f. Volcanoes, tornadoes, blizzards, hurricanes — seems unlikely
2. Falls
--2a. From trees
--2b. From structures
--2c. From terrain
--2d. Did not fall far, just fell wrong
3. Something fell on them [other than during a major landslide or earthquake]
--3a. Trees
--3b. Structures
--3c. Terrain
4. Fire [other than major wildfire]
--4a. Structural fire
--4b. Localized out-of-control fire
--4c. Burns from controlled fire
--4d. Smoke inhalation from controlled fire
5. Water [other than major floods/flash floods]
--5a. Drowning in calm water
--5b. Drowning in rapids, caves, other hazards
--5c. Drowning in ocean
--5d. Non-drowning death from rough waters
6. Animals
--6a. Preyed upon
--6b. Gored/trampled/etc while hunting
--6c. Did not sufficiently respect (e.g. pet the buffalo, play with the bear cub, pick up the adder)
7. Eating problem
--7a. Poisonous plants
--7b. Poisonous fungi
--7c. Choking
--7d. Starvation (seems unlikely)
8. Other natural world risks
--8a. Struck by lightning
--8b. Lost in cave
--8c. Hot springs too hot
9. Accidents with tools
--9a. Hunting accidents (weapon hits wrong thing)
--9b. Crafting accidents (missed the project and hit yourself, or a kiln explodes, maybe)
10. Complications of someone else dying
--10a. Spouse
--10b. Anyone else
Oh, and I suppose we should include:
11. Non-accidental homicide or violent suicide
Opinions on which of these was most common?
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warrioreowynofrohan · 10 days
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Silmarillion Daily - Of the Dangers of Middle-earth
But as the third age of the captivity of Melkor drew on, the Dwarves became troubled, and they spoke to King Thingol, saying that the Valar had not rooted out utterly the evils of the North, and now the remnant, having long multiplied in the dark, were coming forth once more and roaming far and wide. “There are fell beasts,” they said, “in the land east of the mountains, and your ancient kindred that dwell there are flying from the plains to the hills.”
This is one of the things that makes me frustrated with the Valar. To an extent, I understand them not wanting to go after Melkor when they’re worried about how much the resulting damage would risk the rest of the world. But this is a low-level threat that they could easily deal with, and they’re just ignoring the elves of Middle-earth.
And in addition to this, it relates to Melkor’s parole (still upcoming). They should be paying enough attention to know that this is going on, and in that case it seems like it should be relevant to their ability to judge his sincerity! Where are these monsters coming from? What is the location of all your former bases of operations? If they don’t get verifiably true answers, that at least suggests insincerity or dishonesty.
I can understand if not agree with many of their macro-level decisions, but things like this suggest a serious lack of due diligence on multiple fronts.
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imakemywings · 28 days
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Pressing on to the Children of Hurin novel, and highlighting some more favorite quotes:
"Ever in the forefront of that battle went Gwindor and the folk of Nargothrond, and even now they could not be restrained; and they burst through the outer gates and slew the guards within the very courts of Angband; and Morgoth trembled upon his deep throne, hearing them beat upon his doors." (The Battle of Unnumbered Tears)
FUCK YES. Gwindor sure does suffer for his impulsivity but before that he made Melkor quake in his fucking boots hearing the troops of Nargothrond at his door. I think it's key to Melkor's characterization to remember that he is, at heart, a massive fucking coward. Any time the odds are not firmly in his favor he gets flighty, as when he wants to refuse Fingolfin's challenge, and here, and in how he refuses to come forth from Angband but sends his troops out instead and directs them from his fortress only.
"In the morning came hope, for the horns of Turgon were heard, as he marched up with the main host of Gondolin; for Turgon had been stationed southward guarding the passes of Sirion, and he had restrained most of his folk from the rash onslaught."
Just interesting that the Gondolindrim alone are singled out as having been held back from Gwindor's early charge.
"Now the phalanx of the guard of the King broke through the ranks of the Orcs, and Turgon hewed his way to the side of his brother. And it is said that the meeting of Turgon with Hurin who stood beside Fingon was glad in the midst of the battle."
Everything's about to go to shit but at least Turgon and Hurin get to have a little reunion + the last moments Turgon will ever speak with Fingon :')
"'Not long now can Gondolin remain hidden, and being discovered it must fall,' said Turgon. 'Yet if it stands only a little while,' said Huor, 'then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and from me a new star shall arise. Farewell!' Maeglin, Turgon's sister-son, who stood by, heard these words and did not forget them.
This whole exchange is sooo interesting..foresight moment for Huor? Maeglin guessing Huor refers to Turgon's grandchild (with the implication they will be half-Man)?
"Great was the triumph of Morgoth, though all the purposes of his malice were not yet accomplished. One thought troubled him deeply and marred his victory with unquiet: Turgon had escaped his net, of all his foes the one whom he had most desired to take or destroy."
Melkor's obsession with Turgon is always interesting and must be related to some foresight or foreboding on Melkor's part about Earendil and the role he'll play in Melkor's overthrow. It would seem odd to everyone else, I think, for Melkor's fixation to be not on Fingon, who was the high king going into the battle, but on his younger brother who no one's seen in years.
"For Turgon of the great House of Fingolfin was now by right King of all the Noldor; and Melkor feared and hated the House of Fingolfin, because they had scorned him in Valinor and had the friendship of Ulmo his foe; and because of the wounds that Fingolfin gave him in battle. And most of all Morgoth feared Turgon, for of old in Valinor his eye had lighted on him, and whenver he drew near a dark shadow had fallen on his spirit, foreboding that in some time that yet lay hidden in doom, from Turgon ruin should come to him."
What do we think Elf-friends, is the house of Fingolfin rejecting Melkor even in Valinor meant to stand in opposition to perhaps the house of Feanor's take? I do think it's interesting that nowhere in the Nirnaeth does Melkor seem especially interested in the Feanorians, except in how he can use them to effect his victory in this one battle.
Also, cackling at the idea of Melkor not wanting to hang around Turgon because his vibes are just too bad. Melkor saying "that dude has rancid vibes" like agjkjkgb
Ruin is coming you big loser.
"But when they bade Turin turn and look back upon the house of his father, then the anguish of parting smote him like a sword, and he cried: 'Morwen, Morwen, when shall I see you again?' But Morwen standing on her threshold heard the echo of that cry in the wooded hills, and she clutched the post of the door so that her fingers were torn." (The Departure of Turin)
This is one of those Morwen quotes that just lives with me. She's often blunt and cold with her son Turin and does not seem possessed of much loving maternal energy, and she pretty abruptly sends him away once she decides it's the best thing to do, but watching Turin ride away she grips the door frame so hard she tears skin on her fingers. Clearly, this is not someone unaffected by having to say goodbye to her child, nor someone unafraid about what may be coming for them. It's such a subtle but deep indication of how much Morwen actually feels vs. how little she shows.
And of course everything about Thingol's fostering of Turin:
"...and Thingol received them kindly, and set Turin upon his knee in honour of Hurin, mightiest of Men, and of Beren his kinsman. And those that saw this marvelled, for it was a sign that Thingol took Turin as his foster-son; and that was not at that time done by kings, nor ever again by Elf-lord to a Man. Then Thingol said to him: 'Here, son of Hurin, shall your home be; and in all your life you shall be held as my son, Man though you be. Wisdom shall be given you beyond the measure of mortal Men, and the weapons of Elves shall be set in your hands. Perhaps the time may come when you shall regain the lands of your father in Hithlum; but dwell now here in love.'"
The only time a Man was ever fostered by a lord of the Elves! Dwell now hear in love! You shall be held as my son! I'm going insane.
"Now Thingol had in Menegroth deep armouries filled with great wealth of weapons...Yet Thingol handled the Helm of Hador as though his hoard were scanty, and he spoke courteous words, saying 'Proud were the head that bore this helm, which the sires of Hurin bore.'"
Morwen sends the Helm to Thingol in response to his lavish gifts to her and invitation to come and join Turin in Doriath, but Thingol turns it immediately over to Turin and tells him Morwen sent it to Turin as a gift of the family heirlooms.
Especially in comparison with Silm where characters often feel more like sketches than people, the characterizations in CoH are so rich and deep it feels so much like these are real people. It has been such an interesting read so far, eager to get to more.
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kradogsrats · 9 months
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Okay let's talk about this, REAL QUICK:
"Laurelion" is not a name that exists, but it is clearly derived from "laurel," a tree, which in Greco-Roman-rooted western tradition signifies victory. The -ion suffix generally denotes either being or doing something, so "Laurelion" would presumably just be reinforced as "victorious" or "champion" or something.
It does have similarities to two in-setting names, however: Elarion, and Leola.
"Leola" is a name that, depending on whether it comes from Latin or from French, means either "lioness" or "loyal." Related connotations, plus there's the related sound sequence between "lee-oh-lah" and "-el-ee-on". I could see it being a diminutive or a nickname.
"Elarion" means, roughly, "joyful" or "joy-bringing" (that -ion suffix again). This is by way of "hilarius," believe it or not, in the manner that a word like "elation" comes from the same root.
NOW, to put on a REAL conspiracy hat for a second:
There is also "Laurelin," from the Silmarillion, which is one of the two sacred trees of Valinor (the younger and feminine one), destroyed by Melkor when he stole the Silmarils—the jewels that were now the only source of their light. She produced a single fiery fruit before she died, which became the sun.
One of the Silmarils was set in the sky as a star, the Star of Earendil, which was for a time so bright that it was the only visible star in the sky. This star guided the humans of the First Age (Edain) to their new homeland, Numenor.
IF I HAD A NICKEL FOR EACH TIME I HAD TO WRITE A META ABOUT THE SILMARILLION AFTER A SEASON OF TDP I'D HAVE TWO NICKELS WHICH ISN'T A LOT BUT IT'S REALLY WEIRD IT HAPPENED TWICE
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