#special interest go brrrrrr

[morporkian-cryptid]

The fandom : What is Lupin’s first name? What a mystery, we may never know.

Me, neck deep in research about the naming conventions of samurais in the Edo era: Forget about Lupin, WHAT THE FUCK IS GOEMON’S NAME??? .

There’s a very strong chance that Goemon Ishikawa XIII is an alias.

I know that Goemon is probably the least mysterious character in the whole franchise, and the one we have the most lore about, and I’m overanalysing, BUT I’m a nerd with a special interest on medieval Japan and too much time on my hands, and I’m about to make this everyone else’s problem.

(Disclaimer: I am in no way an expert on Japanese history, this is the result of a few days of Internet research; all my sources are listed at the bottom. Please don’t hesitate to correct me if I made mistakes!)

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The first thing that tipped me off was the way the number is written in Goemon’s name.

Let’s look at his complete name in Japanese: 十三代目 石川 五ェ門 (Jūsan-daime Ishikawa Goemon)

Jūsan means “thirteen”. Notice how the number is the front, and followed by the suffix -daime; in contrast with ルパン三世 (Rupan Sansei) who has the number at the end and followed by the suffix -sei.

I’ve already mentioned it here (x): -sei is a counter for generations, while -daime is a counter for positions or titles. So basically, Lupin Sansei would translate to “Lupin, third of his name” while Jusan-daime Ishikawa Goemon would translate to “the thirteenth person to hold the title of Goemon Ishikawa”.

The “Number-daime Name” pattern is famously used by kabuki actors. Names are passed on along lines of actors, who are not necessarily related. Actors formally change their names during a ceremony called Shūmei.

So, just judging by the shape of his name, it’s likely that Goemon acquired this name later in life, and wasn’t born with it.

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On top of that, you’ve got Edo era samurai naming conventions, and oooooh boi does this complicate things! :D

Goemon is basically a walking-talking-anachronism, if he could live in the Edo era he would, and barring that, he does his best to live in the 21st century pretending it’s Edo-era Japan. (see Part 1 episode 5: “I’m not weird, it’s every other Japanese person who’s weird.”) His name is also the same as all his ancestors, most of whom lived in the Edo era. So it’s not a stretch to assume that his name follows the customs of that time. And in the Edo era, names were a MESS.

(Please note that the following information is an attempt to coherently describe a custom that evolved without strict rules. Also, the naming conventions described below apply mostly to nobles and the samurai class, not to commoners.)

First off, Edo-era samurais typically had 4 parts in their names.

Two surnames:

Myōji: household (or ie) name, chosen by the family, often named after a local landmark.

Ujina: clan (or uji) name, given by the emperor, refers to the larger clan that the household branches off from.

Two “first” names:

Jitsumei: “true” first name, which typically remains private: only your family, close friends and your lord can call you by your jitsumei, and if anyone else does it, it’s super rude. Most people don’t even know your jitsumei.

Tsūshō: public first name, kind of a formal nickname.

And then you have the

Childhood name: that’s the first name you’re actually born with, but when boys come of age, they stop using it, and instead receive a jitsumei and a tsūshō. Boys’ childhood names often end with -maru. (Apparently this doesn’t apply to women, who kept the same name throughout their lives.)

Then it gets even more complicated. An uji (a clan) usually contains multiple ie (households). When an ie grows big enough, it splits into multiple smaller ie. A person can use the name of any of the ie along the family tree as their own surname, sometimes using multiple names depending on the situation and who they’re trying to impress.

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In Goemon’s case, this is what his name probably looks like:

Myōji (household family name) : Ishikawa

Ujina (formal clan title) : Minamoto (the Ishikawa ie (household) branches off from the Seiwa Genji ie, which itself is part of the Minamoto uji (clan) )

Jitsumei (true first name) : ???

Tsūshō (public first name) : Goemon

So, not only is Goemon not his birth name (that would be his childhood name, which he does not use anymore), but it’s also not his “true” name, more of a formal nickname that people are allowed to call him.

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You thought this was already a mess? Don’t worry, it gets worse!! :D

Not only did samurais change their names when coming of age, they could also change it multiple times in their lives, for a variety of reasons, including but not limited to:

to signify that they had attained a higher social status

to demonstrate their allegiance to a house or clan

to show that they had succeeded to the headship of a family or company

to shed bad luck that was attached to an inauspicious name

to avoid being mistaken for a neighbour with a similar name

The third option (succession to the headship of a family) could totally apply to Goemon. So if that’s the case, that means he would have been born with a childhood name (unknown), then changed it to an adult name (unknown), then changed it again to a new name (Goemon) signifying his position as the head of the Ishikawa household.

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Btw, we don’t know if all of his ancestors were named Goemon, but we know that at least a few were:

In Part 6 ep. 5 and 6 “The Imperial City Dreams Of Thieves”, Goemon the Thirteenth assumes the identity of his grandfather and still uses the name Goemon Ishikawa

In Part 2 ep. 24 “Rats To You”, Goemon Ishikawa the Tenth and Goemon Ishikawa the Eleventh are mentioned

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So, in conclusion: what the hell is Goemon Ishikawa XIII’s actual name? Fuck if I know, but it sure as hell isn’t Goemon.

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PS: Regardless of what his birth name is, I think we can safely assume that he is really descended from the OG Goemon Ishikawa. Even though name succession in Japan (or at least in kabuki and other performance arts) doesn’t require a blood relation, Goemon did state multiple times that Goemon Ishikawa the First was his ancestor. It is possible that he or other ancestors were adopted into the family, as adoptions were frequent in the Edo era; but during that period, an adopted child had the exact same status as a genetic child, and was considered a part of the family just like everyone else. So, even if he’s not genetically descended from the OG Goemon, he’s still legally descended from him.

PPS: slightly off topic, but I couldn’t resist mentioning additional bits of trivia:

The kanji in the name Ishikawa mean “river of stones”. It’s the 19th most common surname in Japan. It’s also the name of a region, which the family is likely named after.

The historical Goemon Ishikawa’s name is written 石川 五右衛門 (last name - first name), while in the anime both he and Goemon Ishikawa the Thirteenth’s names are written 石川 五ェ門 (last name - first name). The third kanji of the first name differs ( 衛 in the historical spelling, ェ in the anime).

Wikipedia says that the historical Goemon Ishikawa probably used that name as an alias. Wikipedia gives “Kuronashin Sanada” as a possible “real” name. Interestingly, the Sanada ie and the Ishikawa ie both branch off from the larger Seiwa Genji ie and the Minamoto uji.

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Sources (if you want more info about the wonderful world of Japanese names throughout history):

Tofugu – A long history of Japanese names

Wikipedia – Shūmei (Japanese page, translated with Deepl)

Wikipedia – Japanese names : Historical names

Linfamy on Youtube – Why are samurai names so long?

Linfamy on Youtube – Why did samurais keep changing and reusing names?

Wiktionary - 世 (-sei) - see “Japanese”

Jisho - 世 (-sei) - see “Counter”

Jisho - 代目(-daime) - see “Counter”

Huge thanks to my sister @aime-aine , who helped me research all of this, used her knowledge of Japanese to help me read Wikipedia pages in their original languages, provided me with several of the above articles, and listened to me infodump about samurai naming conventions in medieval Japan for a whole evening. Aime, I love you so so much <3

#the hobbit rambles #the hobbit's headcanons #lupin iii #goemon ishikawa #japan #medieval japan #i hadn't gone down such a rabbit hole of research since two years ago when i tried to figure out goemon's kamon #i had missed it #this was so much fun! #special interest go brrrrrr #elliott's nerd corner #tbh could also be tagged as #elliott's japan trivia corner

[ellibean-icecream]

i'm almost glad that no one but bots and my partners follow me on here considering how much of the last few hours has just been me reblogging image after image of rika pokemon

listen... hyperfixating hard on just how gender she is. she's hot and i want her and i want to be her and so that means subjecting my boyfriend to seventy two flavors of rika

i'm very neurotypical about her

#elite four rika #pokemon rika #rika pokemon #rika is gender #gender goals #gender go brrrrr #very neurotypical #special interest #special interest go brrrrrr

[too-many-things-at-once]

FUCK YOU DEPRESSION

AUTSIM AND ADHD SAID ITS TIME TO AGRESSIVLEY FOCUS ON THE ORANGE SIDE AND THE FUCKING FOUR PART SEASON FUCKING FINALE

#sanders sides #orange side #special interest go brrrrrr

[karmazstuff]

RANBOO STIMBOARD

#ranboo #stimboard #special interest go brrrrrr

[elibeeline]

I have set myself a schedule now i'm regularly learning five languages

#special interest go brrrrrr #im doing polish dutch norwegian spanish and french #and im doing a different one for each weekday #:0 i can buy little notebooks for each language #hehe i'm gonna learn all the words in the world

[rxttenfish]

#GIRL HELP I’M THINKING ABOUT MERKINGDOM LORE AGAIN AND WHAT IT’S LIKE TO ACTUALLY BE WITHIN ONE OF THEIR CITIES.

#all the care guide says is 'biomass' #special interest go BRRRRRR

[mearchy]

#season two when #please #this show has a grip on me i cannot BREATHE #special interest finally getting good content after years go brrrrrr #sorry to my mutuals whose feeds have been bombarded by andor content #over the last two months #andor #cassian andor #andor tv series #andor s1 #andor series #diego luna #star wars #rogue one #star wars prequel era #prequel era #prequel trilogy #luthen rael #mon mothma #kino loy #andy serkis #genevieve o'reilly #stellan skarsgard #tony gilroy #mine

[hootiee]

how different are the anime and manga? are there certain things you like about one more than the other?

very different, like night and day. i'll leave season 2 (kyoto saga) aside and just talk about season 1, since the movie is a side/non-canon story (i really love it tho) and season 2 is like 90% canon (minus the last episode with that scene where rin & yukio talked. in the manga it was a whole mini arc with them talking to eachother amidst a fight with high tension, rather than them just chilling by a river lmao)

the most apparent scene that was different from the anime & manga was the first chapter/episode 1-2, where shiro died. the anime made it into a pretty fascinating & exciting intro to the series, with rin getting hired as a grocery store clerk, and ending with a battle against demons coming after him. where the manga, while still at its core having the same important moments (rin looking for a job, having delinquents jump him, and shiro getting possessed), it was really just a sad scene with no one except himself, shiro & satan bearing witness to the events of that night. out of fear he caused his father's possession/death, he never speaks about it to anyone. so no one really knows how that night unfolded. unlike the anime having the priests see everything (kinda awkwardly) and then later yukio showing up.

the manga really expands upon & fleshes out the characters, whereas the anime (s1) really.. flanderizes them. i think yukio is the most painful example, he is very much not the irrational "all demons are evil" kinda guy, hes truly just a kid indoctrinated into the exorcists mindset since he was 7, but the anime never really showed how nuanced and deep he is, so he became a punching bag for people to easily/mindlessly hate. also, he is NOT a half demon like rin. he's fully human just with some..Peculiarities lol (iykyk)

anyways, blue exorcist truly shines as a slow burn story, we are 145 chapters in (with the next chapter being just a few days away) and have only just now touched upon the aspects that the final parts of season 1 showed. but it is completely different, in almost every aspect. yet you can still see the resemblances to the anime, i wont get too into it for spoilers, but yk the scene with rin's sword breaks? in the anime they repaired it & everything was fine again. but in the manga, rin permanently changes from it abruptly being broken. for better and worse. afterwards, it becomes a whole underlying character arc.

season 1 was like the story's blueprint, its building blocks in a sense. the manga is truly where it shines, letting the characters grow and each have their own moments & developments before things get really heated within it's world.

it also divulges into the lore in almost a philosophical level: what really are demons & humans, are they truly so different from eachother? with rin being the focus of this question as people say he is Both human and demon and yet simultaneously being Neither at the same time.

the world building becomes expanded upon, by leaps and bounds. we see how the order/exorcists really operate. we find out What demons truly are, and their real reasons to be against humans. we find out what really happened during the blue night and what lead up to that. the world feels more open & wide, and everything feels so intertwined.

it also touches upon some VERY dark and heavy subjects, becoming more and more dark as it progresses. from mental illness, trauma & generational trauma to war, suicide, human experiments & corrupt organizations. and yet despite this darkness it still sends a good message that despite things being bad, its still worth it to keep living. and the author just knows the perfect moments to grab people by their heartstrings with it.

s1 is not Bad per-se, sometimes im harsh on it due to me personally being obsessed with the manga's canon. it does have its cute filler scenes (i actually love that rin got a grocery job in episode 1) and its pretty enjoyable as a cute fluffy feel-good anime. i first watched the anime+movie as a kid in 2015 and loved it, but it felt like it had far more potential. which is where the manga DELIVERED, by leaps and bounds.

however, now that the anime is focused on adapting it faithfully, this will change within the future. especially once get more canon episodes compared to the vast amount of manga content lol. but until then, i suggest to check out the manga 🫡

TL;DR: this is the anime vs the manga (in a good way LOL)

#aoex #blue exorcist #ao no exorcist #THANK YUO FOR THIS ASK I LOVE TALKING ABT THIS AHHHHHHHHHHHH #i was not expecting to write this much going into this. it just kinda. happened.. erm #as u can see i can talk abt this literally for days #special interest goes brrrrrr #spent like 2hrs typing this out 🫡 all for you anon #if u want to check it out: it's officially available for free on the MangaPlus app (available international iirc) #or u can find the official volumes on mangasee/manga4life 🫡 #the old scanlations arent too bad but they stopped once it got a simupub.. so better just to read it officially for consistency #i rlly recommend to start the manga from the beginning if u want to see the differences for yourself. At Least read the first chpt #but otherwise u can start from chapter 35. its where s2/kyoto arc ends off 👍 #its hard to compare the anime vs the manga bc the manga literally has like nearly 150 chapters over the anime LOL #literally hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby lmaoo #ask #anyways anon u couldnt of asked this question to a better person (wink wink nudge nudge ppl give me more aoex asks PLEASEE) #very normal abt this series. so normal 😁😁

[moss-and-monsters]

Hello lads! Hope your doing good this fine day

I’m finally back with some fucking art (that I’m extremely proud of)… MORE MECHANISMS let’s goooo anyways I was trying to do a month of mechs art but -checks watch- it is now almost two months from when I started this

And I had to finish these two and post them together because ✨disaster siblings✨

I love Nastya and Jonny so much I can’t even articulate it besides shjdjsksisnennsksjsb

Nastya took 6hrs and 6 min

Jonny took 4hrs and 29 min

(3/10 mech done)

Also lastly thank you @chaoticmannamedoliver for telling me about Nastya’s wrench I loved drawing it :)

#of moss and monsters #the mechanisms #the mechs #jon thoughts #the mechs fanart #the bifrost incident #high noon over camelot #once upon a time (in space) #ulysses dies at dawn #jonny d'ville #nastya rasputina #brain go brrrrrr #special interest #month of mechanisms #gay pirates

[pancakepaintings]

Stinky man...finally on tumblr. ough no eyepatch vers under read more

#my art #freeman's mind #gordon freemind #freemind #god im so bad at doing art often #anyways- hl/hlvrai special interest go brrrrrr #expect more lol

[portablepool]

never let a nuclear history enjoyer do ANYTHING his ass WILL spend upwards of 2 hours on something "ironically"

#oppenheimer #sorry for textpost rockin #fuck man idk. i sat enraptured for 3 hours watching this movie. special interest go brrrrrr and all #i AM using this as my phone wallpaper now btw. i spent too long on it to not. #bbygirl_oppy.png my magnum opus

[lionydoorin]

is it too much to ask for a movie based on the sims 2 lore. we NEED to know what happened to bella goth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we NEED to have a movie based on olive specter's graveyard!!!!!!!!!!

#sims 2 special interest go brrrrrr #omg movie adaptation of murder in pleasantview by author alexander goth???? #the sims #the sims 2 #ma ur rambling

[seventeendeer]

if sonic forces is a fun, compact, polished (by sonic standards) little game that did exactly what it set out to do and was too smart to try to pad out even one more hour of gameplay, sonic frontiers is the exact ideological opposite of that design philosophy

this game is just a giant pile of colorful shapes haphazardly strewn across several fuck-off huge maps, interspaced with so so so so so many annoying mini-stages visually recycled from other games while being about 25% as interesting to play, I'm about ~6 hours in and I'm only on the second island, I've forgotten what most of the buttons do, I keep trying to run places only for the camera to get yoinked out of my grasp while the word "S H A R K" flashes on the screen in bright red, I forget if that albino kid who's one of the 2 characters I can talk to in this wasteland ever got a name, I think big the cat is mad at me bc I made him pawn off all his shit to me for fish money, based on the day/night cycle my friends have been stuck in limbo for at LEAST a couple weeks at this point. wherever tails is, I hope his version of cyber space isn't silent hill or whatever the hell it was knuckles mentioned experiencing two hours of gameplay ago

really good game, I hope it never ends. at this rate uhm it won't

#deerchatter #sonic frontiers spoilers #nothing makes me go crazy like new sonic game. special interest go brrrrrr #you will all be hearing about this for a While. get comfy

[autismmydearwatson]

What if I told you "Vova the Baby Dragon" was a valid nickname for Count Dracula huh???? What then?????

#this fucked me up #did i mention im obsessed with etymology? #special interests go brrrrrr #dracula #count dracula

[vampdyke69]

i love harvester so much and like it Is somewhat muddled i think naturally just bc of being passed off from one director to another , but it’s such an amazing piece of art all the same.

thinking about the art gallery scene and steve questioning if the blood splatter on the projection screen is art too. thinking about the labelling of the abstract sculptures as offensive as steve sinks further into this radicalized violence. thinking about the terror of the parents bdsm lol, and the shunning of the firemen. and thinking about that one tumblr post that was like. kink and modern art scare people in similar ways because they both break traditional approaches (to sex or art) that are so ingrained as to be seen as unnatural if not followed. thinking about the overarching religious themes, the simultaneous puritanism and obsession with sexuality. thinking about the meat. the MEAT.

#im high n theres too many things going on fr my brain to grab on to any ine thread but #big autistix special interest rn makes my brain go BRRRRRR

[elite-amarys]

Yeah, but the constant challenges make it difficult to focus on anything else... And when they keep bothering you to, even after you've said no, it becomes an issue

Well, ignoring consent is most certainly an issue. That I will agree with wholeheartedly.

That said, I do not find I have that first issue. If anything, I found it difficult to maintain focus on other tasks while I was on bed rest and could not battle as much as I typically do.

#pkmn irl #anonymous query #//Special interest go brrrrrr