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sagegarnish · 3 years

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How did you get into Supernatural?

Aw I am happy you asked!!! I don’t really get to talk about this much. I had a bf at the time who got me into watching “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”. I had JUST finished watching it all in 2005. I was looking for something else similar, and I heard about this new show about demon hunting brothers. I was watching it on TV from the VERY FIRST EPISODE. I was ENTHRALLED. It was exactly what I was looking for to replace the sometimes gritty, sometimes goofy aspect of Buffy. Me and my bf tuned in every episode, and we NEVER MISSED AN EP. I was a diehard addict of the show for YEARS. Like OBSESSED. Loved the classic rock. Loved the car. Loved the badass bros. Loved monsters and the ghost fighting lore. The “no chick flick moments” but then THE DEEP MANLY ANGST.

I was a Dean Girl through and through. I liked Sam well enough, but Dean had this irreverent protective older sibling thing I really related to (and Jensen was also really hot). Dean actually reminded me a lot of a ex-bf I am still friends with. I was the one who got my NEXT bf hooked on the show too. He also loved Dean, and even cosplayed as him once. My two best friends at the time were ALSO superfans, one of them even got a tattoo! We attended a SPN convention together, which was nice.

OH MAN, then Dean was in Hell. I was just fuckin... on edge the whole hiatus between s03-04. Of course I knew he’d be fine but... you know, you WONDER HOW. I came from Buffy and season 1-3 of SPN. I know nothin stays dead. Cas was introduced and I was immediately like WELL WHO IS THIS GUY, but like.. hot guest star is one thing, but the whole ANGEL LORE plot was VERY COOL TO ME. I’ve always been fascinated by the lore they have on the show and ANGEL LORE is even cooler. Anyway I immediately became a Dean/Cas shipper, like... in season 4. The handprint! The resurrection! That Dean/Anna sex with the HAND ON THE HANDPRINT and then the KISS where Cas looked AWAY! I was pretty much all in. It was a show I was already obsessed with, and they just sprinkled MORE GOOD SHIT ON TO IT.

SO I watched it like religiously even though I sort of lost interest in s07, I just wasn’t as engaged somehow but I kept watching. Then season 8 hit, and I was like “WOW this is more like Season GREAT” and then season 9 hit and I was joking that it was actually Season Nein (”No” in German) and I quit watching, assuring myself I would catch up later maybe.

I was out of the fandom for about 2 years, and then during the airing of Season 11, someone told me about the Fanfiction musical episode. So I looked up a clip, and was like, ALRIGHT I clearly have to catch up.

So then I was all caught up with s9-10, but I didn’t have cable, so I couldn’t watch 11 as it aired. Once again, I stepped back and assumed I’d catch up again later.

*3 years pass*

During season 14, I found out about the animated Scoobynatural episode, and was ONCE AGAIN “I should catch up.” So I grabbed my now husband, and went back into the Supernatural hole.

I caught all the way up to Season 14 finale. (Yay for streaming services and extra cash)

And then waited for Season 15, which I heard was going to be the LAST ONE.

Then, you know, 2020 was a thing, and I didn’t have much time for shows.

THEN. NOVEMBER 5th. November 5th 2020. Despair.

I felt so shocked and cheated that I didn’t watch it live, that I’d MEANT to watch season 15 in it’s entirety but hadn’t gotten around to it.

Being spoiled on it was like A BRUTAL TAKEDOWN FOR ME. I shipped Destiel SO SO HARD for like 10 years. Even when I was not watching the show I was reading fanfic. I was in UTTER DISBELIEF. I saw a clip before I even saw the episode. I tumbled immediately back into the fandom. It was like I was awakened again. Like a freeze dried food, dropped into water. I was SUDDENLY just as fuckin OBSESSED AS I HAD BEEN IN S1-8.

So then I vowed. I will watch ALL OF SEASON 15 up to e18. AND THEN I WILL WATCH THE LAST TWO EPSIODES LIVE AS THEY AIR.

AND SEASON 15 WAS A WILD RIDE. Like... i was jaw dropped watching it. Knowing about the confession in advance but not the leadup was... well it was something. The Sam/Eileen parallels. The Rupture. The Trap. I couldn’t BELIEVE IT. And I never doubted that they’d SAVE CASTIEL. I knew they MUST. Narratively it didn’t make SENSE if they didn’t.

ANYWAY we all know what happened haha.

I legit made myself sick for like a week after the finale. Legit actual sick. I had headache and dizzy and muscle cramps. I couldn’t sleep, could barely eat. I WAS A MESS. It was all very embarrassing. I still feel pretty let down by the ending. But overall I’m basically back in the fandom.

It’s funny how many times they managed to rope me back in with “special episodes” though. I guess that REALLY DOES WORK. To a point. ANYWAY thanks for reading my ramble, and thanks for asking!

#long post #sagegarnish answers #sagegarnish posts

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nyxi-styx · 5 years

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On Character Development

Let me preface this by saying that I started watching Supernatural somewhat casually in 2012, but binging in 2014. (The first episode I ever saw was actually a rerun of ‘A Very Supernatural Christmas’ back in 2008/09-ish.) I diligently watched EVERY episode, catching up online or on the app when I didn’t have cable. I stopped watching season 12 a few episodes in because I hated it. I watched some of the beginning of season 13 and it was “okay”, watched Scoobynatural because I’ve loved Scooby-Doo for as long as I can remember (my bedroom in 2nd grade when I was living with my grandma was entirely scooby-doo themed), and watched Gabriel’s episodes because... he’s my fave. I got tired of the repetitive storylines and recycled lore. I got tired of their mistreatment of characters. I am still tired of these things. And I’m tired of the constant fandom drama. I tried to leave, to get out, to stop caring. But I still care about the characters, the cast, my ships... Destiel and writing content for it has been a big part of my freetime for the past 4-5 years. It’s hard to walk away from something that has made you feel so many things so intensely. I started out as a Dean girl (still am) and Samcurious (Still am). Then I was a Cas girl, a Crowley girl, fuck- even a Kevin girl, before ultimately settling on Gabriel. When information about the end of season 14 came out, I was surprised at the route they’d chosen to go, amused, and- as a Rob Benedict fan- kind of excited. I was (and still am) ready for the absolute SHIT SHOW I know season 15 is going to be. It’s either going to be bad in the way that bad horror movies exist and you watch them because they’re so terrible but they’re fun. Or it’s going to be bad and no one is going to have a good time. It’s going to be emotional in the time leading up to the airing of it all anyway. There’s going to come “Last day filming with [actor]” posts, “Last day in the Impala“ posts, “Last day in the bunker” posts, and saddest of all “Last day as Dean/Sam/Castiel” posts. It’s going to be painful. But I’m ready and willing. I can’t wait to see what they do next. Anyway...

I tried to watch JUST the season 14 finale. But I barely made it five minutes before I had to turn it off. Not because it was bad, but because the recap, “Carry On Wayward Son”, and J2′s acting abilities and the EMOTIONS they portray... dragged me right back in. I knew I had to catch up. Against my better judgement. “Fuck.”

So, once I finished catching up on “Slasher” (great Netflix series, highly recommend), I started catching up on anything I hadn’t seen of season 13 and rewatching Gabriel’s episodes. (Did I mention he’s my fave?) I’m now 10 episodes into season 14.

Now, the show isn’t without its faults still. Honestly, so many things could be solved if Sam and Dean would stop letting monsters monologue. Shoot first, ask questions later. But... then we lose all the drama, right? Still more things could be solved if Sam and Dean would talk to each other openly and honestly but hey. BMs, right? Bro moments? Broments?

First of all, no one will EVER be able to touch Mark Pellegrino’s performance as Lucifer. He makes me feel everything: From “Lucifer is annoying and I goddamn love him; he’s so funny.” to “Jesus fucking christ just KILL HIM WHILE YOU HAVE THE CHANCE!!! STAB LUCIFER! LET HIM DIE!!” and everything in between. He almost got me to sympathize with him. Yikes.

Secondly, the range of Misha fucking Collins and his multiple portrayals of different versions of Castiel (and Jimmy) will never stop blowing me away. He’s gone from Angel of the Lord and High Holy Tax Accountant and you WILL show him some damn respect!... to sassy as fuck (honestly I live for him sassing Lucifer while they were locked up in hell) and not willing to take shit from anyone except Sam and Dean. And that’s growth, man. He’s just... I don’t have the ability to put all of my thoughts and emotions into words, so please settle for a simple “UGHGHGHGHHHHHHHH” followed by a keysmash like so: aslkfla;sknfkasdjfnwqrjqejrfna Sam, Dean, and Cas are all REALLY GOOD DADS to JACK??????????? Like I expected it from Cas since it’s his duty because he promised Kelly and all, and I kinda expected it from Dean once he came around because he’d be the dad he wished he’d had, but I wasn’t quite expecting it from Sam??? But Sam is REALLY good??????

Sam has changed a lot too, overtime, and I don’t know how to describe it, exactly, but whatever it is... while I have always recognized Jared as a handsome man- sure, even hot or sexy at times- I never was SUPER into him... I’m more attracted to Sam now than I have ever been in the past and it’s something in his personality that has shifted that I can’t quite put my finger on. But attraction aside, it’s so GOOD to see these characters actually grow, change, and develop despite the fact that the show seems to have forgotten how to do that.

Now, at first, when I heard about Dean accepting warzone!Michael and being his vessel, I was angry. “Fuck that. That’s out of character. Dean would NEVER!” But... upon seeing it happen... okay, I get it. It was super in character. And it was awesome to see Jensen play something vastly different (and kinda hot) and do so very fucking well. The pain and fear on his face when he realizes what he has to do... Well fucking done Jensen!!! And the raw fear and pain on Castiel’s face as he waits alone... Well fucking done, Misha!!!

What I hadn’t noticed in my first watch-through of “Exodus” (I think)- and it’s probably because I was angry and turned it off- was that Dean said “Gabe sacrificed himself for us. We owe him everything.” First of all, I love the canonization of calling Gabriel “Gabe”. 12/10 Secondly, this is not the attitude I would ever have expected Dean to have about Gabriel. Not when you consider their history. And Jensen’s delivery of that really hurt. Additionally, when Gabriel is recounting his time hiding out in Monte Carlo to Sam and Dean, and Sam gets annoyed and cuts him off, Dean looks like he’s actually enjoying the story. He even turns to look at Sam with an expression I can only describe as “excuse you. the man lived my fantasy life and i’m living vicariously. rude.” The fact that Dean wasn’t always curt or hostile towards Gabriel is not at all what I expected and it’s honestly good to see that kind of growth. Dean and Gabriel aren’t really super different, after all. Furthermore, what I didn’t notice through BOTH times I watched Gabriel’s s13 episodes and what was featured in the recap preceding 14x01... Dean shouted “Gabe! No!” when Gabriel was killed by Michael. I didn’t notice this before and I legitimately had to pause the recap because it pained me. It genuinely brought me to tears. Again: GROWTH. Like... Dean actually cared about Gabriel. And that was something I never expected but oh my god.

I love finding things out about the characters we didn’t know before. So we all knew that Dean likes junk food, is a big nerd, loves Scooby-Doo, and loves classic rock music (and is a disaster bi) but I LOVED finding out that he loves horror movies and uses them as an escape. (Jesus, Dean and I are almost the same person except I’m pan). Gabriel’s entire backstory is another thing I loved finding out. Juicy tidbits are the best tidbits. But Gabriel’s character development is another whole post on its own.

Sam taking control and commanding forces out of the bunker is another personal favorite. As was Sam’s interactions with Lucifer and Rowena.

I don’t know. I’m starting to ramble because all of this is just bringing up more thoughts and I’m getting disorganized and derailed. It’s too long of a post as it is so I’ll just end it.

I’m just really glad to see the characters growing and developing in a show that’s just a dead cash cow that they won’t quit beating enough to take risks and make changes.

Oh god, the Wayward Sisters episode was its own hot pot of character development and a masterpiece, but again... another post of it’s own.

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mycabbagesbitch · 6 years

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14 things I want to see in season 14 of Supernatural:

More of Charlie Bradbury and Rowena MacLeod in all their redheaded glory. Hell, just give them a spinoff of them road tripping together, I would watch the everloving shit out of that.

MY. QUEEN. DEATH. BILLIE. because what the hell did “see you again soon” mean????

Actual character depth for Mary Winchester and exploring her relationship with Sam and Dean it’s been two seasons come on already her character deserves better than this

Certified cinnamon roll and precious bean Jack Kline adjusting to being human and powerless

MORE. OF. THE. WAYWARD. SISTERS. All of them! i.e. Patience learning about being psychic, Claire hunting, Alex being a badass nurse, and Jody and Donna being total moms. I know that it probably won’t happen, but some closure to the Kaia story line would be nice too. I’m just still bitter that the spinoff wasn’t picked up aaauurrrgh

Michael!Dean actually lasting a good chunk into the season and not being fixed immediately we need actually stakes and a sense of danger guys. (Also Michael!Dean being deliciously evil while wearing a sharp-ass tuxedo because yes please,) and the Michael and Dean push and pull dynamic being explored like the Lucifer and Sam one was

Castiel! Being utilized! And not just popping up here and there! He’s a main character! Treat him as such! Ma boi deserves better than this slander! Have him kick some ass and use his powers like he did in his earlier seasons and not just be flung against a wall four seconds into a fight.The “heaven being broken” conflict is a great opportunity for him to take on a significant leadership role! Do it!

Anael needs to come back (bc Danneel is gorgeous and goals) and also because Anael is actually a compelling character that has potential. See previous point about heaven being broken and apply the same thing here

Gabriel we know he’s not dead he can’t be dead after only a handful of episodes please don’t make him be really dead he didn’t go through his revenge arc and get closure just to die aaaurhlhrlehlfagh needs to at least be addressed

A solid, scary monster of the week episode

A genuinely creative and funny episode in the vein of Scoobynatural, The French Mistake, or Dog Dean Afternoon. This show doesn’t need to take itself too seriously 100% of the time

More classic rock music in the soundtrack bc those old school vibes

I would give my actual soul for the Ghostfacers to make another appearance

If anyone is going to come back to life this season they have to serve a significant purpose to the story or be the commander in chief of the *Deserved Better Than This Bullshit* club Eileen Leahy so she can kick the shit out of Ketch. 10/10 would pay good money to see that go down.

Special mentioning of 4 things I don’t want to see in season 14 of Supernatural:

Lucifer coming back, Jack’s dad reincarnating, or the previous inhabitant of The Cage that isn’t Michael making an appearance

More queerbating

More killing of PoC and LGBTQ+ characters y’all already killed off Kevin TWICE don’t you dare do the same to Charlie or anyone else

DID I MENTION LUCIFER? I DON’T WANT TO SEE LUCIFER! HAVE HIM STAY DEAD! I used to like him. It’s just that I know that this show can move on without him. You could literally do anything with this world, I don’t need to be stuck on the same antagonists that we had a god dang decade ago.

I love this show. I’m trash for this show. I’m so super excited for the new season.

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almaasi · 5 years

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reaction post typed while watching SPN 14x05 “Nightmare Logic”

oh, what a perfectly soft and emotional Destiel-parallelly piece of Meredith Glynn artwork. so precious, so loved~

03:47pm

things i know about this: meredith glynn wrote it

LET’S WATCH

03:50

noooo maggie don’t do things like this alooooone

i like the music as she enters... kinda weird and sparkly and awkward

03:53

sammy...... you know what you need

someone to do the night shift

if only...... you had.............. someone else........................

*looks pointedly at dean*

03:55

where does sam get the financial resources for shit like body cams

we never see them running credit card scams any more so........ ???????

03:57

i love these cable things by the roads

so aesthetic

03:58

even more spooky pretty music as dean and sam enter the tomb

03:59

dean and sam lie so effortlessly and so in sync

i always enjoy seeing them do this, ever since dean told a firefighter he needed to go back into his apartment because he has a yorkie who pees when he’s nervous

04:01

aw man i thought the “colleagues” would be cas and jack

bobby and mary’s cool too

04:02

bobby’s wearing a cap like michael’s

and mary’s wearing a coat like cas’

..does this mean this story’s gonna be about dean’s war between those two things, like the two worlds he knows

bobby’s parenting vs. mary’s parenting

michael’s need for him as a vessel vs. cas’ love for him as a bestest buddy bro friend

not sure how bobby = micheal / mary = cas but i’m sure there’ll be some kind of explanation later

OR maybe they’re just costumes and they mean nothing

but......is that ever true? trenchcoats are automatically a cas thing now. and that cap is so iconic as michael now???

04:09

i relate to this lady in the suit who has had Too Much Of Everything

i enjoy seeing people know their limits and expressing them to others rather than continuing past breaking point

sam’s doing great but also....... no

take a page from this lady’s book, sammy

04:11

mary’s walking with sam

and i just wanna take a minute to appreciate how EASY meredith glynn’s episodes are to watch

her scripts flow so gently and everything makes logical sense

and her characters are coherent

there’s just this nice touch of emotional human realism cloaking all the supernatural weirdness and i so, so appreciate that

like.. for me personally, there’s not a single writer on the current team whose writing comes close to glynn’s

i want her to write more episodes with cas though, i know she’d write him just right

i honestly feel like i’m being hugged by someone as i watch this

so soft around my heart

is good

04:16

sam: “you [and bobby have] gotten pretty close lately”

mary: “i thought so too”

OH WAIT I GET IT

I GET THE COAT AND THE HAT NOW

IT’S A DESTIEL THING

OH MY FUCKING GOD HOW DID I MISS THAT

IT’S SO BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS HOLY FUCKING FUCKDISAFKDSHGF

even the casual viewers will probably have noticed this one. i know it took me a second but as soon as this discussion happened it clicked

this is probably the most obvious parallel they’ve ever done i think

i didn’t see it before because i didn’t EXPECT it, you know?? ugh this is so validating

04:22

now every word mary says, i’m just envisioning how it applies to cas’ perspective too

“he’s been hunting all the time, he won’t take a break even for a second. there’s something on his mind”

yeah, that mICHEAL HAT, quite literally sitting over his head like a dark halo

04:26

the music in this episode is just so pleasing to my ears

04:31

things i appreciate:

normal people being all “wtf you hunt monsters” and just being present while dean and sam talk about their shit

sam’s reference to “hunteri heroici” (my all-time fave episode besides “scoobynatural” jdgd that was five years ago what the hell)

04:35

me: takes screenshot of this very pretty, very anxious lady because i want my hair to do what her hair does

04:36

oop we just found the dean mirror and now we get to hear someone talk about the things he feels and offer advice that ultimately helps himself

god i love this

AND THE FACT I CAN UNDERSTAND THIS PARALLEL AND WHY IT’S HAPPENING

AGAIN SOLIDIFIES THE DEAN/CAS THING WITH BOBBY/MARY

because what mary said about bobby = what cas thinks about dean = what’s true about dean = this lady being overworked = dean not taking time off from hunting

(although it does seem to specifically apply to sam as well ?)

and sam mentioned earlier about how the dad he knew and the dad mary knew were different people, plus the earlier mentions this season about john’s problematic parenting (i forget when)

yeah that really makes a point of saying john abused his kids, for sure

lady: “he was gone all the time, working for us, he said”

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

lady: “i worshipped him when i was a kid. didn’t know any better”

oh deanie

please take notes

please know it’s okay to be angry at john and not continue to love him in a way that excuses his behaviours, even 14 years after he died

wait wait wait

dean tells her to let it go, it’s the past, there’s nothing you can do about it now so it’s just baggage

WAIT

THAT MEANS

THAT MEANS HE LET THAT SHIT GO ALREADY???????

WHOA

OKAY COOL. COOL COOL COOL I’M PROUD OF YOU

now go be gay with cas

“i try. every single day.”

hell yeah dean winchester giving good mental health advice to people and also millions of depressed people with various traumas watching this

ngl this legit just helped me a tiny bit with my issues with my own dad

urhgutguugb meredith glynn you are the good we need in this world

..............suddenly getting real emotional because goddamn i wanna meet her someday ;~; i wanna meet 1. misha and 2. meredith glynn, maaaaybe 3. jensen idk

mEREDITH GLYNN IS MY KINDRED SPIRIT

and DEAN WINCHESTER HELPS ME BE A MORE SELF-ACCEPTING PERSON

yay

04:49

no but like.......... everyone seemed to enjoy last week’s episode, i only saw people posting good reviews. and i felt bad not not enjoying it, even though all the things people pointed out should’ve been right up my alley, something about the overall thing just fell flat for me

but this one

this one speaks to my heart

04:53

maggie: “i didn’t mean to get caught--”

sam: “no no no, stop that. you did nothing wrong. okay?”

sam being a better dad to maggie than john ever was to anyone

04:57

OH NO BOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!