#the noble ancestor

[kdval]

"Wherever the path leads, so shall you follow. Wherever the path leads, only more sorrow. Tis a curse! A curse! The curse of Queen Marika!"

ELDEN RING

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[praazlwurm]

Giratina's Temple and the Celestica Ruins

aka Giratina/platinum clan theory is back (also sorry for using mspaint lmao)

So we all know about the Shrouded Ruins, yeah?

(This is the only spoiler warning for Pokemon Legends: Arceus you're gonna get)

Spooky. Ever-cloaked in mists and mystery, surrounded by black-stoned cairns like graves and home to the giant Odd Keystone that once (?) housed 108 souls. Very ghost-centric.

Well what if I told you it was a temple?

Greco-roman temples (and, problematic or otherwise the celestica are absolutely greco-roman coded) are constructed relatively uniformly, with an outer later of columns holding up the roof and an inner layer holding up an internal structure, providing additional support, ect.

We have a perfect in-game model to project from, too, in the Temple of Sinnoh (pre-explosion). You can see that some of the smaller columns are sometimes decorative - likely they held up torches or, in the case of the two nearest the 'altar,' offerings

So knowing that style and having the remaining structures we do see in-game, we can approximate a lay out of what the building may have looked like.

What makes this a temple, however, is more open to interpretation. My evidence to support that it is is actually the blue-tinged pedestals seen within the outline of the building - the place(s) of honor in any temple. Irl, the inner structure - the cella - was often fully-walled in, though sometimes this was constructed via wood and other materials that don't withstand time.

Now, ENORMOUS shout-out to pokemaniacchris and the incredible Crimson Mirelands Archeological Survey Project for a really detailed, in-character breakdown of the ruins structures throughout the mirelands. I can only assume the 'surveyors' hadn't reached Mt. Coronet yet in their explorations.

Pedestals like these (at least superficially similar) are found beneath dozens of statues around Mt. Coronet, including beneath Giratina, Palkia and Dialga in the Sacred Plaza area. Now, I know I'm supposed to be claiming that this is a temple to Giratina, but if we work on the assumption that the four pedestals corollate with Giratina, Palkia, Dialga, and Arceus, a new conclusion can, perhaps, be drawn:

That whoever built this temple saw all four of them on the same 'level' of power or -- and this is my hc taking over -- if the statues were placed in a certain orientation (see below) that they saw Arceus and Giratina on equal footing, with Dialga and Palkia one rank below.

And there is, imo, more evidence to support this disruption of the 'creation trio' into two pairs on equal footing, found in the Celestica Ruins! So, among the structures there are two notable, circular buildings that the Greeks also utilized, called tholoi (plural). Irl, tholoi were a mix of secular-use and small-scale temples, and seeing as these two are small (maybe 10ft across inside?) I would maintain the claim that they're small temples.

And they align/mirror each other just as the statues of Palkia and Dialga do.

This part becomes pure conjecture, but I like to think the smaller structures in the ruins might be other small-scale temples for the various mythicals, honoring each much as the Greeks honored a pantheon.

Lastly, the CMASP describes the "Gapejaw Bog Complex" as being potentially an entire agora all its own and I can't agree more. Such evidence would support the idea of there being two groups of Celestica (Note: Not the Clans.)

I actually found myself wondering if the mirelands weren't always quite so swampy, and instead flooded at some point in the past with the depressions around Gapejaw - left by housing foundations - filled in with swamp water.

At the end of the day, I think there's a lot of evidence that the Celestica revered Giratina as well as Arceus, Dialga and Palkia - at least early on. Something happened to cause this schism, and the Old Verses/Plate inscriptions point to an outburst of rage from Giratina -- though, in "pick a god (and pray)" I actually argue it was mispercieved on the part of the Celestica and this misperception is what caused Arceus to despair and withdraw.

Open to discussion!! fellow nerds please interact!!

#pla #pokemon legends arceus #celestica #celestica people #pokemon lore #giratina #arceus #volo #i also think there's a correlation between the ancient hero story's bolts of rage and alphas/hisuian pokemon aggression #specifically my internal timeline is that the schism predates everything purely on the secular/human level #arceus then empowered the noble pokemons' ancestors and fought the hero and believed humans were worthy of his blessing until the celestica #blamed giratina for the rage lightning and shattered the statue and maybe even drove the gira sect out #this dismayed arceus and it withdrew leaving the rage to fade but still linger and make hisui inhospitable #the celestica left (of their own volition imo) to seek out arceus and other knowledge and the clans came after #the clans saw only two statues (palkia and dialga) and picked sides but still upheld the tradition honoring the nobles #i imagine cogita being direct celestica (immortal or otherwise) and volo being gira clan descended or otherwise descended from the diaspora #the celestica then went to sinjoh/johto and so on and so forth #long post #reference

[kathles]

you ever see the most stupid take about indigenous American history that makes you go "ohhhh this person has no idea what the fuck they're talking about" and then you look up info of their bio and they're literally white

#julien posts #ndn #this post is apt that one person going “hey the noble savage trope is bad we shouldn't infantilize native Americans and here's why” #and then they list a bunch of atrocities indigenous tribes committed pre colonization #like hello #did you forget that the Indian savage is also bad if not worse than the noble savage #like why do you think it's called the “noble” savage to begin with LMAO #indigenous tribes already KNOW the shit our ancestors did #did you forget that how exaggerated a bunch of it was though because of how racist colonizers wanted to emphasize how “savage” we were #and how that became a harmful stereotype towards indigenous peoples #like the “Noble savage” wouldn't have existed to begin with has there not been the “savage” stereotype LMAO #they had the audacity to go at the end #infantilizing indigenous tribes w/out recognizing their past is just as bad as colonizers stereotyping them #as savages #like HELLO?????? LOL #and like its not like infantilizing/romanticising indigenous peoples isn't a problem either #it very much is!! #but op literally could've went “they're history during colonization is actually really complex” #(aka the time period where the noble savage DID emerge. mind you) #“and they're more than just the stereotypical Pocahontas” they could've said #but nooooo they had to go the white supremecist route. okay. lol #like PLEASE do more research beyond Wikipedia if ur gonna be talking apt this shit pls #(yes I know they did use wikipedia. they literally admitted it in the notes. lol) #(also imo I don't think white people should be talking abt this shit to begin with cuz most of them are bound to mess it up #but if you HAVE TO do proper research. I beg of you as an Indian studying American Indian history) #EDIT: btw im not saying you cant include the atrocities some indigenous tribes did commit #when talking about the complexities of indigenous history and how its not right to infantilize us #but if your entire post is ONLY abt said atrocities while ignoring the rest of the complexities during colonization #(esp when the noble savage stereotype was most relevant) #then its a bad look on you and isnt the allyship u think it is. lol

[somajean]

#Vampire Hunter D #VHD #D #Twin D #Sacred Ancestor #Vlijmen Mayerling #Mina the Fair #Baron Byron Balasz #Lord Rocambole #Left Hand #The Noble Greylancer #Lawrence Valcua #I analyze the family featuring Greylancer and Vlij

[cryptvokeeper]

I’m Thinkin about that one post where it’s like “you’re living in more luxury than your ancestors could ever dream of they’d be proud of you” and because I have rottmnt brain rot it’s like:

Splinter: I abandoned my duties as a Hamato and have wasted my life and now I’m an old rat man who didn’t even teach his sons properly, my ancestors must be rolling in their graves :(

Hamato ancestors who dedicated their lives to stopping the shredder: Even though our descendant strayed from the path he did his best for his family and raised his children well and we’re still proud of him

Hamato ancestors who were like, farmers and peasants: *cheering wildly as splinter eats his third slice of cake*

#Yes I KNOW they were a ninja clan but like they had to start SOMEWHERE #they couldn’t ALL be ninjas someone had to be doing the accounting #Where’s the hamato ancestor who was real good at fishing #Rottmnt #Hamato ancestors be like “holy shit you get to sit around all day eating delicacies and being entertained by your future technology?” #“Surely you are a noble lord in the height of society”

[alecodys]

EEE i cant wait to share my ella design w u all. i havent even coloured her in yet but i rlly love her outfit

#tadbrain au #literally the only part of her outfit thats similar to the game is the collar + the double belts im actually sooo proud of myself #since the chain shirt is smth she inherited from a noble ancestor who fled from lolth its meant to be old-fashioned but also fancy #shes also made adjustments where she could to make it more her style. and i gave her unique boots + her own circlet

[the-punforgiven]

I will say, playing the Bladesong playtest has really changed the way I think about and design swords for my ocs, not just in a narrative way, like how much you can express about a character through the weapon they wield through factors like how nicely it's maintained, it's size, the way the guard works, how fancy/plain it is, how easily it could be concealed, ect.

It's also forced me to think about them on a more technical level, asking questions like "Why the fuck is this thing so badly balanced? I've done everything right!" To which what I am assuming is the spirit of a long-lost ancestor appears in my brain and goes "You forgot to add the distal taper again."

#I'm lying for clout as far as I can recall my ancestors never made swords #all the ancestors I know about were either shipbuilders or farmers #both good and noble professions in their own right but not really relevant to this post #I know like nothing about my dad's side though aside from that they're scottish according to an ancestry dna test I took several years ago #so I guess bladesmiths aren't 100% off the table but I have no clue personally lol #lmao #Pun's text Posts #Bladesong

[constantvariations]

Probably one of the most unfortunate things about RWBY is, for all it's inclusion of characters of color, there's no real cultural identity behind any of it

Outside of names, what is there to identify Yang or Ren or Sun as Asian? Other than skin tone, what marks Emerald as a Black woman? What marks Maria as hispanic besides her surname and clothes loosely inspired by Dio de los Muertos?

The few times crwby genuinely tried to tie these things together have ended in total failure. Flynt Coal is so unambiguously Black that his weapon and design are just Jazz... and that's his entire character. The Black One to counter our White Hero for 4.2 minutes, then claim he digs her style, thus negating every relevant real-world implication of a large, wealthy white family driving small time entrepreneurs of color out of business

Every single attempt at inclusion is through such a glaringly White lens that it's no wonder that people often mistake Sun or Ironwood as white despite being named after a Chinese deity or being modeled after their Asian VA. And that's so disappointing in ways I don't think I could ever truly put into words

#rwde #idk man #im thinking abt how all my ancestors cultures have been boiled down to nothing but White and im fucking mad #i cant even imagine how it must be on the other side #my cultures were erased to appease a power structure my ancestors wanted an in to but other folks had theirs STOLEN #to have your identity stolen then repackaged to you in the most insincere way possible by idiots who think they know best #its a disgrace unlike any other #anyway this is a v long winded way of saying please let other cultures have a chance in fantasy/sci fi settings #let black characters have kinky hair and cornrows and african specific jewelry like the lip gauges and gold neck rings #let asian characters be more than aesthetics and ramen and wisdom spouting gurus #and also remember asia is a big fucking continent so theres a myriad of cultures under the Asian name w lots of history and conflict #we are well beyond the point of pinning all Asian rep on one character a la Hikari Sulu #also also remember that indigenous people EXIST #and they exist beyond bandit stereotypes or as nObLe SaVaGeS #also middle eastern folks could def use some rep beyond evil terrorists and helpless victims in need of rescue (by americans!!1!) #this doesnt even cover shit like religious or disabled or queer cultures- all of which have rich complicated histories that affect today #there are so many things to consider when building a world from scratch and they did absolutely NOTHING AHHHHHHHHH

[ben-the-hyena]

Speaking of Ancient Egyptians : I had a Moroccan classmate who looked EXACTLY like that Osiris statue so they had to have used a real model and that model had to be his ancestor, he has to have an Ancient Egyptian who moved at some point to the North West of Africa because HOLY SHIT I SWEAR it's him just without a moustache and whenever I show this statue to anyone who knows him they are amazed and shocked to agree it IS him 100%

#model #statue #Osiris #legends #mythology #egypt #morocco #africa #moi #my friends #lol #i see no difference #ancestors and descendants #and I bet it had to be a noble to be a model for a god statue so my former classmate who crushed on me in 4th grade may have blue blood lol

[doomxdriven]

The (still unnamed) Great Noble House that Bansui belongs to has been noted to have some relation to Hell-- specifically, back during the events of the Original Sin™, its said that the family's ancestor wanted to create a lid over the territory that would later come to be known as Hell, seal it and all that.

So with that in mind you just know Bansui has all sorts of wild Hell-related Kido and contraptions stored away (figuratively and perhaps literally in some cases).

#headcanons: bansui #//i might actually make a list of some ideas for such things... eventually. im still reeling from work though and my brain is mush atm lmao #//the noble ancestor wanting to seal hell though. 'put a lid over it' kind of implies to me that the family then went on to be like #//watchers of hell or something. or specific maintainers of the barrier between hell and the soul society / world of the living / hueco m #//etc etc. #//guess ill find out for sure if/when kubo ever decides to do more with the hell arc #//but can you imagine bansui summoning some of those wild ass hell-hollows. because i can

[a-god-in-ruins-rises]

i have been summoned for jury duty this coming week and i’m pretty hyped about doling out some justice.

#everyone i know seems to hate jury duty #but i'm excited to do my civic duty #at some point this week i may determine a man/woman's fate #i will be partaking in a tradition that goes all the way back to my ancient and noble ancestors #this is what the kids call #retvrning to tradition #right?

[ukulelegodparent]

It is also my firm belief that any exhibition on 19th century politics and/or the leadup to WWI should be accompanied by circus music BC it's all complete and utter clown shoes

#like of course it would be somewhat insensitive bc it is clownery that very much lead to a shit ton of suffering and death #but like omg all the stuff that is nice about 19th century literature and art and music also very much existed in politics #except there it didn't lead to great things but instead some of the stupidest decisions known to man #ESPECIALLY anything after 1848 like jesus christ why does nobody habe clown's makeup on??? you all should! #also any current leftover from noble families back then who think they still have absolutely any rights to the areas their families #ruled back then regardless of whether or not they still are monarchs or not #like re:my comments about the prinz dumm Episode from Neo Magazin Royale #bc like yeah. 'hi my family has been significantly involved in the emergence of the last two world wars #specifically the first one and also a number of genocides etc. can I please have back my castle that was built #by your ancestors from your taxes for my ancestors who then sent your ancestors to go to die in the stupidest war™ #and that was recently renovated once again by your taxes? Yeah that one can I have it back please???' #unhinged how is this man walking around freely and not in professional care for his dillusions??? #also like 'well obviously Germany is a republic now. I respect that. obviously. yeah. but also if you ever want a king again I'm here #I'll do it no problems. also plz call me your royal highness 😌' insane people behaviour #girl I'm sure if I dig deep enough I can find some relation to some noble can I then use that as a basis to sue the german state to give me #idk a nice vase or something? #bc i mean it this random guy can do that why shouldn't I?

[cartoon-of-milk]

Bruh I hate the kids in my class, they'll say the most dumb fucking shit like "I think trans ppl are neat but they give 9 year old hormones" like bestie. If a 50 year old trans person can't fucking get it legally within a reasonable time frame how the hell is a fucking 9 year old going to get HRT

THEY HAVENT EVEN BEGUN PUBERTY WHAT THE HELL WOULD THEY EVEN NEED IT FOR

I think he's just trying to rile me up bc I'm the only trans + also the only POC in class.

#fuck sake #hes as stereotypically conservative ad they come btw. #fucking aryan viking looking ass with ancestors of noble lineage #tw transphobia #toony goes outside

[jaggedwolf]

tentatively pleased with the dunk n egg casting

#glad to see my dude is a big lunk that is plausible as an ancestor of brienne of tarth #that is the requirement here #egg being baby coriolanus in the hunger games movie is amusing to me the kid is here to be a young noble #jaggedwolf rambles #mine #i wonder if they're going to stretch the first novella across six episodes? #asoiaf

[idkimnotreal]

me: searches for people born in the roman empire on familysearch.org

also me: shocked when i see actual thousand year old lineages

#familysearch #honestly i didn't know what i expected #my oldest ancestor can only be traced back to 1825 #i do wonder though #some of those people were never actually #children to their parents were they #i mean it's impossible #it's like 500 people in the same family tree #someone slipped at some point #just statistically speaking #noble families in europe had a tendency to infidelity #so if 10% of husbands were unfaithful #you know what i mean #it's worse if it's the mother cause then you can never tell

[slorty]

I love how at the beginning of darkest dungeon the ancestor is all like

" 😢 Our noble family has fallen to corruption thanks to my failings as a person, please kill everything in a three mile radius of it because it's all royally fucked sorry."

But when he explains the bosses he starts being like

"HA 😂 this man 👨‍🌾 is poor, 👎 smells bad 🤢 and asked me to feed him 🧑‍🌾 and his starving family 👨‍🌾👩‍🌾🧑‍🌾 so I used powers never meant for man to know of ✨ to mega kill🩸him and everyone he knows 😂 and now they're back 🤦 and you have to kill them again. 🤷"

#Darkest Dungeon #posts that came to me in a vision