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#you could not like them and that doesn’t make you homophobic if they're queer
tadfools · 4 months
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I don’t want to say this where this comment was added because while it was rb’ed from me, the root post isn’t mine and I don’t want to drag op in a circus tent. Do we really need to put homophobic on the highest shelf up from the tik tok folks?
This is about Kethric and ????? Homophobic coded??? Statistically and logically speaking, there are going to be queer people that you do not get along with and that you don't like in real life. That's just the way people are. And it's not because we're queer, it's because we're human
Kethric doesn’t hate Aylin because she’s a lesbian. He despises her because she is the child of Selûna, because he believes that she corrupted Isobel - not with queer cooties but with the love of a goddess who he felt betrayed him
If Aylin was a man, the hatred would not be diluted at all
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gottagobackintime · 1 year
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I find it fascinating to witness the straight audience of any media not being able to pick up what the makers of the movie/show puts down.
It’s like when people reacted to the “You wear fine things well” scene in Our Flag Means Death with “aw, they’re such good friends” whereas the queer audience went “omg, this is happening”. We all had access to the same scene, we’d all watched the build up to that scene but the straight audience wrongly read it as friends/straight whereas the queer audience had suspected they were building up to a romance but this was the confirmation. Even the creator of the show was baffled that people were surprised that Ed and Stede fell in love. Because he thought they had made it obvious.
And as I said, we, the queer audience picked up on it. And I feel like the same thing is happening with Ted Lasso. Do I know that Ted and Trent will get together? No, I am unfortunately not a writer on Ted Lasso. But you can’t deny that there are clues pointing to it. But the straight audience barely pick up the fact that Ted and Trent like each other, be that in a platonic way or romantic way. I’ve seen several reactions to the last episode of season 2 and ONE of them included the scene where Ted reacts to Trent not being in the press room. All of them severely cut down the scene in the parking lot. One of the scenes most of us Ted/Trent truthers point to as a huge piece of evidence for it going canon. The parallel of them meeting in an empty parking lot, just like Ted and his ex-wife and Roy and Keeley. But because Ted and Trent are both men it couldn’t possibly mean anything. And Ted has an ex-wife and a kid so he can’t possibly be into men, as if there is no such thing as being bisexual. “But I’m pretty sure Trent has a family, he has a kid right?” So? He could be divorced, we also have no idea if his daughter has another dad or a mum. And the same thing applies to him, it doesn’t mean he can’t be into men (take also into account all of James Lance’s interviews, and his choice of shirt in one of them, friend of Dorothy anyone? He's the captain of this ship, we're just along for the ride tbh.)
Then we have the wonderful “I’m so not homophobic, in fact, you are homophobic because you think Ted is gay just because he likes musicals and has ‘feminine’ traits” um no… it’s the fact that he kind of acts in a way that an ally wouldn't. Yeah, he called himself an ally in that one episode. But every single person who is now out as queer who at one point considered themselves an ally because "I’m not one of them but I sure think they're neat" raise a hand 🖐️ (been there, done that. Was very into queer things before I realised I myself am one of them). What it always comes down to is "it's pandering", "it's tokenism" (having the main character on the show be queer wouldn't be fucking tokenism), "not everything has to be gay", "why can't men just be friends, there is a severe lack of male friendships on tv". And like the last one makes me go??? There are a MILLION friendships between men on TV. There are even multiple friendships between men in Ted Lasso. Beard and Ted, Ted and Higgins, Ted and Roy, the himbos and so on. Having Ted and Trent become a couple wouldn't really change anything because there are still friendships between men. They also claim that Ted is needed as the "straight without toxic masculinity" representation. As if Beard isn't right there. The man who has no problem going to an immersive show about the menstrual cycle. Has no problem with shrieking when he's surprised and so on.
I also like that if we'd get Ted and Trent together, we'd get two middle aged queer dads. Which isn't that common. It's not even super common to see people realising they're queer late in life on TV, and yet it happens every day. Because let's face it, most queer men on TV kind of look like Colin, and I don't mean that as a bad thing. And I'm looking forward to his storyline. But it's also nice seeing middle aged or old people finding themselves and being allowed to be who they are (see Ed and Stede from OFMD). Also would enjoy seeing people lose their minds when they realise they've been fooled this entire time. It'll be like Black Sails all over again.
I do not have any doubts about the fact that, had Trent or Ted been a woman and they saw Trent give up his career because of Ted's influence, they sure as hell wouldn't protest people thinking they'd become a couple. But because it's two men it's just delusional for some reason (homophobia).
What I'm saying is, it's clear that the straight audience has a hard time picking up subtext and clues that the makers are planting. Because they've never had to do that. Because they are always clearly represented. They don't have to look for minor side characters and hope that they might be queer. Because the main character is straight and most of the supporting cast too. When you've grown up with a lack of representation or with representation that is meant to be subtext, you'll learn to pick up on it. And you do look at media differently. I just wish that the straight audience could listen to us for once, without getting defensive and dancing around the fact that they are uncomfortable relating to a character that turned out to be queer.
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intothewings · 29 days
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Have you notice how much hatred of gold star lesbian in the lgbt or queer community? It’s on Reddit, Tik tok, tumblr and everywhere else. So sickening..
I've grown tired of the same old conversations, so I don't pay them much attention anymore. I have better things to do. To believe that lesbians have never engaged in consensual sexual activity with a man under any circumstances is considered “violence” in that community, even though it’s the truth. People hate the truth which is why so many are unwilling to accept it. Women who have never been with a man will be met with criticism, resentment, and jealousy from all acrosss the board, regardless of what sexual, political, social, or religious label people decide to tack on themselves or what their relation is to you.
I realized that I was different in my teens when I’d be in a perpetual state confusion thinking something was wrong with me because “lesbians” were (and still are) forever online lamenting about comphet and lesbian masterdoc. These discussions always involved loud declarations about trying to repress their attraction to men and how hard it is to resist them, reminiscing about past romantic relationships with men, crushes on male celebrities or cartoons, and sexual experiences with men, none of which I could relate to. Now, there's the notion that it's common for gay men and lesbians to have sexual encounters with each other or that lesbians watch gay male porn etc. On top of that, there's a push to accept, date, and screw males who claim to be lesbians. If you don’t, you’re an evil transphobic terf. It’s just gotten way out of hand to the point where I don’t even bother with these people anymore. As I've gotten older, I've come to realize that genuine female homosexuality is uncommon, and that's perfectly fine. Goldstar lesbians are an extremely small minority. If women want to “identify” as lesbians during or after screwing dudes and sucking dick, I don’t care. They’re a joke to me.
I feel blessed to have some wonderful lesbians in my life, but personally, I don't actively seek out a 'lesbian community,' nor do I feel an any sense of camaraderie with them. Most women who refer to themselves as lesbians aren't actually homosexual. I've attempted to engage in "lesbian spaces," only to find them still revolving around men. Whether it's conversations about hating men (unless they conform to certain feminine stereotypes and identify as lesbians) or or their past times having sex with men, male centric topics dominate all of the conversation/discourse. Males still have their energy and attention in a way that’s obnoxiously obsessive. For me, being a lesbian isn't about hating males, it's about accepting how I was created by God. At this point, "lesbian spaces" = echo chambers where women validate each other's decisions to engage in screwing males while still claiming a to be a lesbian. Lmao right….
The funny thing is that these women are the main ones who scream about how the world is so homophobic, yet they're the first to attack an actual lesbian who has a viewpoint that doesn’t mirror their own. They immediately resort to verbal attacks, fabricated scenarios, accuse you of arrogance, and use insults like ugly or privileged simply for asserting the fact that lesbians don't engage in sexual activities with men, have crushes on men, consume gay male erotica or male pornography, being a lesbian is not a “choice” you make, males can’t be lesbians, feminism is a lie, etc. In my experience, women who are truly homosexual are just indifferent towards males. We don't harbor hatred towards them, sleep with them, obsess over them, or constantly make them the center of our conversations (feminism).
The way the term “goldstar” literally sends these people into a Pavlovian fit of rage is actually comical at this point. Males are just so irresistible in their eyes, they can’t fathom a woman that hasn’t at least tried them out once. If you haven’t, it’s just because you’re ugly lol. Their immediate reaction is always to start projecting their insecurity and self hatred onto females who are genuinely homosexual. It’s so obvious that the hatred/agitation is inspired and fueled by envy, despite the continuous denials. And if you haven’t experienced trauma that ‘made you turn lesbian,’ you don’t constantly talk about giving head, you’re beautiful, you don’t have mommy/daddy issues, and/or you have a decent personality in conjunction with being homosexual, they will really resent you because it destroys their narrative of lesbians being bitter, traumatized, feminist, unattractive, man-hating, motherless bitches lol. I’m over it. I won’t be discussing it publicly on my page after this.
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cosmicjoke · 4 months
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no cause anon seriously has issues and needs to step back a little and think about their actions💀 because doing all of this and harassing so many people all over FICTION, PIXELS!!! is literally so embarrassing but also concerning like😭 anon, you call every levi stan or levi x reader/oc shipper delusional, but what are you? aren’t you also delusional? literally look at all the asks you sent and think to yourself if this is what a person that is not delusional acts like💀 just fucking enjoy your ship in peace for fuck’s sake, no one that you harassed hates eruri and if you took your time to actually read and comprehend what these people told you, you would see how stupid you are because you are literally attacking people that explicitly told you they LIKE eruri😭😭 being aware that a ship doesn’t exist in canon does not make these people homophobes? isayama had all the time in the world to confirm any levi ship, the manga ended in like what, 2021? he could’ve easily added an extra scene in the final episode too, like he did the levi one with the kids, where levi’s focus was only on erwin and erwin alone or them having a final last scene, but he did not bc that’s not what levi’s story is about😭
i am sorry that you and everyone else keep getting these asks but this anon really pisses me off💀 they need to live in the real world more and see actual homophobia, not shipping a fictional queer ship does not make you homophobic. and also, anon, you should check on your internalized misogyny a little bit because you hate levi self-shippers because… most of them are women? i don’t have any other explanation for your deep hatred for self-shipping💀
the audacity of this person is insane😭😭
They're living in a world of delusion. It truly is pathetic. That's all they have. To say we're all homophobes, because they have no actual arguments to support the notion that Levi is gay, or loves Erwin, or whatever. It's school yard tactics. A half-witted child could come up with something more creative. Like you said, everyone they're attacking actually LIKES eruri, reads eruri fanfic, draws eruri fan art, etc, etc... But it's not canon. Apparently acknowledging actual canon makes one a raging bigot.
But as you also point out, the real bigot is them. They hate women, apparently. Why else would it give them such a rage boner, every time anyone ships Levi with themselves? Why is that so awful? They accuse self-shippers of being delusional, but no self-shipper I've ever spoken with has ever proclaimed their fantasy to be canon, unlike them, who can't accept the reality of eruri not being an actual thing within the story, even as that reality punches them repeatedly in the face.
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dekusleftsock · 2 years
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So, I've seen a lot of people getting mad at Bones for seemingly erasing bkdk moments and replacing them with Izu//ocha. As someone who began as an anime only and migrated over to the manga, I never really saw this though? I got bkdk vibes pretty fast, even when I was just watching the anime. Besides that, a lot of people forget that Bones has added shipping material for every ship, not just specific ones. They added the Kabedon (wall pound), and they also animate plenty of added little winks to the audience. I think a lot of them slip by the western audience though because I think they're more Japanese specific. I only found out because I was hungry for bkdk content and looked up the eastern side of the fandom and cultural meanings in Japan XD. Another person explained what Bones might actually be doing. Usually studios add shipping moments for multiple groups in the interest of making money, since animation is expensive. Due to this, they might be doing more filler for ships that don't have a whole lot of canon content, while moving ships that do get canon attention along through use of the plot. Idk, I just don't understand the arguments others have made. Bkdk is incredibly popular in Japan, Japan's culture on bullying means they don't (usually) have the same issues that we do with Katsuki himself, and they've added shipping moments for KiriBaku and bkdk, which means they're open to the idea. I think it's less discrimination and more about what makes sense monetarily. Business is really difficult to run, especially in the entertainment industry. Finally, for all people have complained about the distance, I noticed that in season 5 they started moving bkdk closer to each other in general. I also feel like the adding distance thing could come down to a lot of factors. They had a lot of moments of bkdk sitting next to each other or (in one case) outright leaning on each other, only to randomly be back to distance again. It could make a nice visual metaphor for how Bakugo has gotten closer to Deku, but is still internally rebelling against it. Idk, I feel like that could a lot of ways. All depends on how you view it.
Now, okay, here’s my take on this
It’s not necessarily bones as a company rather the audience they have to conform to. And they most definitely leave in a lot of bkdk scenes, yes, but that’s quite literally because they can’t go around it, not only for plot but also that like, unless you were completely clueless most people KNEW Katsuki was going to get a redemption or atonement arc of some kind. We just weren’t expecting horikoshi to make it so… romantic. And intimate.
Bones isn’t necessarily homophobic, the amount of kiri//baku scenes in the movies and in the show is undeniable. Ntm the fact that Rody and deku had a whole romantic song montage in their movie. But there’s a REASON why kiri//baku is seen as the “most straight gay ship” and that’s simply because every other boy in the show (excluding Katsuki) has a “main woman” if you will. Kaminari has jirou, kirishima has Mina (I know I’m contradicting but I’ll explain later), Izuku has ochako, etc etc.
My point is that the reason that Katsuki is never the one getting comments like “bakugou is straight” like they say “deku is straight” is because he is the most queer mother fucker you’ve ever seen. He doesn’t HAVE a love interest (see in Katsuki meta👀) like every other boy does. Some people say it’s camie but, let’s be honest here, in every scene she’s in she doesn’t even pass the bechtel test. The friend group is fun and awesome, and she teases him a lot, but, in reality, she just doesn’t have enough scenes or screen time to be a full character and develop out of a rare pair.
And bones is aware of this, just as the fandom is. Katsuki simply doesn’t have a woman to establish him as straight AND ALSO has a lot of queer coding by fitting the “gay delinquent” trope. Kirishima also fits a lot of the Japanese ideas of the “gay delinquent”. This, was entirely purposeful.
In a way bones, like many mha fans, fell for a lot of the bait hori threw and then even exaggerated it. There’s this scene in the anime where ochako is changed to questioning why she likes Izuku and then says how she’s going to “lock away these feelings”, but in the manga she says “what the hell am I doing? He’s trying his best to be a hero, I also need to try my best.” This is paraphrasing ofc, I’d need to rewatch the scene and grab the panel but I don’t currently have access to my mha books. (Which is currently my only way of getting the official translations for older chapters lol)
In some cases, it’s a stretch I won’t lie. But, while bones isn’t exactly HOMOPHOBIC, it doesn’t change how bones tries to appeal to, ultimately, a bigger audience. Shonen needs a girl and boy ending and because mha is a shonen then it will have a girl and boy ending.
Another aspect is that homophobic fans just straight up hate Katsuki. Not only because they’re usually bullied white boys that fell down the alt right pipeline, but also because Katsuki gets in the way of any of their straight ships. He’s competition for not only ochako but also Mina. And they don’t like that, but since they can’t be outwardly homophobic they just say that he’s abusive or completely un redeemable. (Which is also weird bc these people tend to also like endeavor ?????? I don’t get it. Like, I like endeavor too but what)
There’s no getting around Katsuki being a VERY queer coded character. Not only with Izuku but also with kirishima. Bones doesn’t want to take away from izu//ocha so they put their eggs into one basket; aka kiri//baku.
Anywho, there’s a reason why so many anti bkdk shippers are anime only’s and that’s both because bkdk is “cringe” in mainstream media (thanks alt right pipeline) and also because a lot of the subtext and magic was lost. Ultimately, anime is just an adaptation. The only thing that REALLY matters IS the manga. So, in the case of bkdk being canon, there’s going to be an influx of anime only’s that say that this wasn’t implied, rushed, he was forced, etc etc etc and they will ultimately just have to cope and cry and wine about it in their own pity party.
Yada yada, I kinda rambled, but yeah. I do think bones censors and then pushes a certain narrative. I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing either since, well, like I said before, anime is an adaptation of the manga. It’s not going to be accurate a LOT and that’s just a fact we kind of have to accept. I watch the anime to get the scenes I love animated now. I started out as an anime only (who started shipping them after dvk2) and I’ve re read most of the manga at this point. A lot is different and I’d honestly recommend to anyone who has the time and patience to read the entire manga. It truly is a different experience. Bkdk was more implied in the manga and izu//ocha was even more boring too. The only reason I even like izu//ocha is because of the first two seasons of mha, and then ofc fandom content. Otherwise, I’ve stopped caring for it mostly. They’re boring and have been boring for a long time. The only reason they WERENT is because of bones.
Again, anime adaptations are just that, adaptations. I don’t think it’s really a bad thing.
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rollercoasterwords · 1 year
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i just want to say thank you so much for your post about even loving parents (and people) being homophobic bc this fandom lately is so so reductive towards those kinds of realistic portrayals, acting as if their creators are “wrong” when in actuality a majority of us live through these experiences and can find comfort in fiction that works thru them! as someone who grew up religious i ADORED your atyd sirius pov for exploring internalized homophobia so honestly. it made me feel seen and struck such a chord of truth. like yeah they’re wizards but also voldemort’s whole thing is hating people for things they have no control over so acting like inequality that doesn’t exist in the wizard world either is not the end-all solution some people think it is. anyway love you. ❤️
anon!!! thank u so much 💓
i think that parents post struck more of a chord than i was expecting it 2 strike lol like. i will say i think the majority of people in the fandom are like. normal abt letting fic writers write what they want etc but! it does suck that there is like. this small and annoyingly vocal portion of people who are just....really weird about homophobia in fanfiction lol.
like my post was specifically abt portrayals of parents but there does seem to be a vocal minority (although mostly not on tumblr thank god) who act as if choosing to write about homophobia when u could choose instead to write a fantasy world where it doesn't exist is like...morally depraved bc it's "unnecessary"
and i definitely got like. a lot of that sentiment when i was writing atydsp!! which is obviously just my personal interpretation of the character and not meant to be taken as anything more than that, but like--i'd always read sirius as a deeply closeted gay man with intense internalized homophobia in atyd, and that's part of why i wanted to write abt his character in the first place. for me it was incredibly meaningful to explore the story of a character raised in a homophobic environment by homophobic family, who struggles with internalized homophobia in ways that are messy and sometimes even hurt the people close to him. and it was honestly really disheartening to get so many comments along the lines of "ugh sirius is being so stupid and annoying" bc i was just like....this is all very real to me. and largely based on personal experience. and it sucks seeing people brush it off and go "but they're wizards why can't u just make him accept that he's gay!!!"
and it's also like. i understand why someone might not want to read about homophobia, and that's totally fine! u can seek out fics where queerness is totally accepted and filter out homophobia and do what's best for ur own mental health, y'know? but for me, personally, i actually tend to avoid stories where homophobia is just magically erased. and again, that's down to personal preference (i am by no means saying one type of story is better than the other; i think they are both equally valid + i'm glad both types exist in all their variety on ao3) but even if i'm reading about magical made-up universes, i think that like.....for me, so much of my experience as a queer person has been shaped by the homophobia of the world around me. and i'm not saying i think that's all that being queer is (of course it's not!!) and i'm not saying every queer person will feel the same (and like....if ur a queer person who's never really experienced homophobia in ur personal life then that's awesome!! happy 4 u!!), but that struggle has been such a fundamental part of my queer experience that i really have a hard time relating to characters who don't share it. reading about characters who never experience internalized homophobia and whose family + friends are totally accepting honestly just makes me feel worse bc it's so far removed from my own experience, whereas reading about characters who do have homophobic family/friends/environments/etc is actually something i'm able to find comfort in.
anyway this turned into a whole essay but!! i'm happy 2 hear that my post (+ my portrayal of sirius) resonated w u 💕 and i do think the majority of the fandom understands + is supportive of people exploring homophobia however they want in their fics; sometimes we just need 2 bitch a little bit on tumblr abt the annoying people who aren't lol
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alarrytale · 5 days
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I was reading twitter and saw a viral tweet about Harry 'queerbaiting' and there were some comments defending him and saying that we don't know what he does in his private life (they were gp not fans). The response to that was that because he hasn't CO or talked about anything he can only be judged on what he shows/says and people see him make ignorant statements, only see him with women, see him using gay aesthetic when performing and see him very straight when he isn't performing. I wondered what you think and if you agree. I'm a bit confused because surely the lgbtq+ community knows there are celebrities in the closet? Celebrities have been slowly CO which means there are more in the closet. Why do they dismiss Harry being closeted? When he said 'slay bestie' at his show because a fan had a sign asking him to say it he was dragged to the ends of earth by lgbtq+ people not knowing that he was reading off a sign and they said he was mocking the lgbtq+ community. I even saw a viral tweet comparing him to Prince and saying they're both homophobic while using gay aesthetic. Harry homophobic? What???? Why would they jump to that conclusion rather than him expressing his sexuality and engaging in queer culture? Why do they always think the worst of him? They say that he says he is unlabeled so he can have straight and queer fans. They say he has manipulated and fooled the lgbtq+ community because he does have lgbtq+ fans. They say that he can't be queer because he's only been seen with women. But surely that's the point of the closet? They're hiding their sexuality. He's not going to be seen with men. I don't understand it. When people CO for example Billie, who was accused of queerbaiting too. Why can't they think... well maybe they're wrongly accusing Harry too. I don't get them but I also don't get how Harry's team thought they could get away with it for so long playing both sides? Did they think he'd never get called out for it?
Hi, anon!
As i've said before, i think people should be really careful accusing others of queerbaiting. Especially when you know very little about them. However, i can't blame anyone who does think that he's queerbaiting. Harry isn't behaving like a closeted person. He's not making much of an effort to hide his homosexuality, but he's straight passing and have a very exaggerated straight image, and that works against him. I think people think the worst of him because he has made some questionable and privileged comments. One thing queer people are mad about is that he's not giving them representation. He's taking gay acting roles, and snogging emrata in Japan next. If you take away how he dresses, acts on stage and what he ambigouisly says, everything is indicating to them that he's straight.
I don't think H's team cares too much about the queerbaiting accusations, it's giving him attention and as long as it doesn’t harm the bottom line or his straight image (it doesn’t) then they see it as a good thing. They hide his sexuality so well that they even manage to fool the queer community.
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opinated-user · 1 year
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Lily “I don’t fetishize lesbians” orchard
All her “original” media has a lesbian relationship in one way or another. Has mostly white characters but a couple of black love interests. Yeah Lily TOTALLY doesn’t fetishized lesbians
LO could write nothing but sapphic couples and that doesn't necesarily mean that she's fetishizing them. a lot of writers make nothing but het couples and nobody accuses them of fetishizing straightness unless they're weirdly militant about it.
no, the reason why LO treatment of lesbians is concerning is because she is weirdly militant about it. when she was arguing with inkrose about something i don't care about, her solution was to encourage her viewer to draw her avatar as a lesbian in NSFW setting to somehow teach her a lesson to not be homophobic... to a minor. when asked why does she like to write f/f so much she said because lesbian love "is the purest kind of love", which implies that other loves that aren't lesbian are impure. when she talks about how the romance genre is so formulaic and predictable her entire solution is to make the same thing but with lesbians and that'll magically improve any story instantly. it's not even just lesbians existing as an integral part of a story with all the nuances and complexities that a good story could provide them, just... have lesbians and by virtue of them being lesbian a story will instantly be better. somehow. how do you improve a character like rey? by giving him more opportunities to shine? no, by making him a lesbian and give him a wife he can fawn over 24/7 with nothing else on his life going on. how do you improve the new trilogy of star wars? add lesbians and especially a lesbian powerful and violent enough to punish kylo for the crime of existing as a character, that's also important. but it has to be a lesbian and it has to be a lesbian that has slept with another bunch of women because. notice the distintictive lack of any other identities across all her OCs. as many other have pointed out before, lesbians are by far the majority. on pokemadhouse even a toddler like bonnie can't simply just be a toddler, she has to be a lesbian, and she has to know she is a lesbian at toddler age, and the only pan representation of the whole universe is a character that is written to be a harraser whose main characteristic is to have tried to mate or have sex with all the main characters in the house. bonnie doesn't have any romantic subplot going on, being a lesbian affects absolutely nothing of her as a character, but for LO is crucial for everyone to still know that this toddler is a lesbian. her pitch for a new mummy movie, taking out of the way the blatant disregard to adress the racism of the original franchise, is boring, has no stakes and doesn't have any of the charm, action or sense of adventure than most fans of the movies loved them for. but it has lesbians now and that makes it better. somehow!
has LO ever showed enthusiasm for any piece of media that didn't had lesbians or imagined lesbians on it, especially as the main focus, for any considerable amount of time? no that i can remember. she blatantly ignores queer media that isn't about lesbians specifically. she only praises queer media that has lesbians specifically, implying that any story with lesbians is better than any other queer stories with other identities represented. all of this is fair to use as a reason to accuse LO of fetishization because it is, blatantly so. just because she doesn't talk about sex always, not in the open at least, doesn't make it any less objectifying and weird. she's still putting lesbians on such a bizarre pedestal from where she praises them above any other identity. it's still a form of dehumanization.
remember how some black people critique her for treating black people as "exotic zoo animals" to gawk and admire? that's exactly what she does to lesbians.
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dennisboobs · 10 months
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I don’t like Mac at all. I hate that everyone wants to baby him when all he is just selfish and violent. He treats Dennis so awful. His sexual assault towards Dennis and his lack of boundaries isn’t some stupid, goofy guy act because he’s actually just that awful. Dennis doesn’t deserve that. I think if Mac just left Dennis alone then Dennis could finally find some happiness. Your posts are incredible, thank you and I can’t wait to hear more.
well, they're both awful, anon. they go back and forth with it. den treats him like shit too, and it's not like mac always deserves what dennis dishes out either.
I don't dislike mac, although i do have a problem with the way fandom tends to baby him (but this can be said of pretty much every member of the gang, it's just fandom). i actually think dennis wants mac around, he just wants him to be... his friend. instead of having to constantly fend off his advances. they are both incredibly bad for each other, but i don't personally believe that mac leaving dennis alone would improve things. dennis tries over and over again to leave and he always comes to the realization that things are better with the gang than out on his own. he struggles to form connections outside of the gang just as he struggles to form connections inside the gang. the gang will never be able to separate because they are all they have. it's an extremely dysfunctional family, but still a family.
den's "hated" mac since season 9 interestingly a revelation to come after mac's homophobic tirade on mac day, prompting him to say "not only is he ruining my life, but with all this god shit that he's into, he could be ruining my afterlife" which. i'm sure has absolutely nothing to do with anything. especially not after frank vs russia showed us that den's been queer for who knows how long. but aside from a few moments here and there, mac wasn't really actively, intentionally pursuing him until the latter half of season 12 (post-PTSDee when he realizes he's in love with dennis, and then in dennis' double life when he comes up with the plan to fake being in a relationship with him). mac is incredibly impulsive, and the majority of the time, at least before he comes out, i don't think he fully intends to harm dennis (or anyone else), he just. does. he's definitely selfish (as is the rest of the gang), and that leads to unfortunate consequences, but like in chokes, and gets romantic, and dennis' double life, his goal is that he wants dennis to love him back. he isn't explicitly trying to trap dennis, it just sort of happens when the plans don't work out. with the way he changes his plans on the fly i doubt any of it was planned out very far in advance. i think dennis' aversion to change makes him want to try and revert mac to the way he was back when they got along, but he also hates mac lying to himself too. he's the one that pushes mac to come out, over and over, and then says he's happy for mac once he does finally come out. i fully believe the reason the two of them seemed to be doing better in inflates was because with mac "taken", dennis was feeling unthreatened by him, which, ultimately, is what dennis actually wants. for mac to be dating someone else so that his sexual advances are directed elsewhere and dennis can be friends with him again.
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What is it you like about Santana’s friendship with Kurt?
I have a favourite scenes post but for this I actually wanna give a more profound answer than just listing their cute scenes, especially because I don't think Glee did right by them in that their full potential wasn't explored. At all. Hummelberry and Pezberry took priority in New York and though the former is understandable and I go feral over the latter, I just think we could have had more. Here's why and here's what I like about them.
When approaching a friendship or any sort of dynamic between two or more characters, I often try to think of what they have in common, thematically, where they work as foils, how they can strengthen each other's stories and characters. And I think Kurt and Santana, both of whom have emerged as extremely popular fan favourites and arguably two of the most beloved characters even today, 7 years after Glee ended, are both so strong individually that that alone makes me yearn for a fusion, a crossroad where these two powerful stories meet. And they do! Compared to many many other New Directions friendships they actually already get a fair amount in canon, and that of course is part of why I like them. Simply put, I like their interactions and the way their individual connection balances out the Kurtcheltana dynamic. But what I see in them goes beyond New York and goes beyond what the show has given us, though it is rooted in what we're given.
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Kurt and Santana are far from being two sides of the same coin (though they both parallel Dave, for example, in delicious ways) but there's something about their similarities yet the ways in which they're wildly different. They're both gay, of course, but make no mistake a baseline wlw-mlm solidarity isn't why I think the friendship they have is so fascinating. I think what elevates that is the fact that being queer is so... inalienable in both their stories.
Kurt is an underdog, one of the show’s most quintessential ones and that’s mainly because of a combo of a homophobic society and his sexuality/the way he expresses himself. He goes through hell and remains kind and brave, and crucially he’s not afraid to be himself. He comes out in episode four and after that he’s unapologetically himself even when it’s hard. Especially when it’s hard. And yes he does have an unhealthy coping mechanism or too and does still put up a front like the rest of us but he’s true to himself.
Santana starts out on top, as Queen Bee Quinn’s second and a hot cheerleader who can make out with her best friend and still be popular - even be popular because of that. She’s loud and quite obnoxious and sure looks like she has it all, but underneath it all she’s crippling under the misery of not being true to herself and being absolutely terrified of being seen for who she actually is. She also doesn’t have a Burt; her parents do turn out to be supportive but a crucial parental figure in her life, Abuela, does not. 
And that’s not to say one has it worse than the other, hell no. And even though they make a good case study for how different gay and lesbian journeys can be, it’s not even about that. It’s about Kurt and Santana as characters going through a similar struggle in vastly different ways and finding a point of connection in that. A connection that’s unique to them, despite other queer characters also being on the show. And a connection in their personalities, too, because there Kurt and Santana also show fascinating similarities yet important differences.
Kurt has an inherent kindness, despite his occasional superiority complex that is so so important for Santana to learn from, as someone who’d really rather not admit that she isn’t such a bitch after all. But Santana has that street smart element, that eye for sketchiness and more grounded look on life as well as a vastly different perspective that Kurt can learn from. They also have a good level of mutual respect, most of the time, and can have both banter and admiration that doesn’t go to extremes like it does with Pezberry for example. They’re a fairly balanced duo where Kurt doesn’t take Santana’s shit but she doesn’t stand for his, either. Keeping it real but keeping it fun.
I also would have loved loved if Glee explored them more not just in NYC but while at McKinley. It’s a shame they didn’t get to interact more in season 2 because the Kurt-Dave-Santana storyline leading up to Prom Queen is fascinating and one of the show’s best. Kurt, upon getting the truth from Karofsky about Santana’s plans, is more impressed than horrified. “Her Lady Macbethian ways,” he says. Kurt appreciating Santana’s twisted and self-serving plan for its convolutedness and also, no matter what its intention, good results, is a fun view for him to have of her. They have that shared manipulative streak in different ways that affords the mutual respect and makes for fun interactions.
Ngl I kinda got lost in my thoughts there but... Kurtana. I like their friendship because it feels like worlds colliding but there’s no crash because it actually goes quite smoothly. Their slight cynicism but good hearts, the way Kurt is one of the few people to really see the good in Santana, but also the ways in which they call each other out. The first time I heard Kurtcheltana would eventually live together in NY was when I was watching season 1 and I was like, no way. How would Kurt and Santana work? They served such different purposes in the story, seemed rather incompatible. But going into season 4 I was looking forward to it, because by then I could see that they’re actually a pair who can find common ground relatively smoothly. And it’s not without its troubles, and I think a conflict between the two can sting really hard (cough cough 6x03, not that we wanna remember that). But like, overall? They just work, and they’re glorious. And I wish we had so much more, whether that’s casually watching TV together or helping each other through hardships they and only they have a unique understanding of.
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About Taylor anon.
But yk what is also INSANE and disrespectful, rude and disgusting? People who do it on the other way. When they try to prove to everyone that all of their favs are straight, even if a lot of them never said a thing about their sexuality. I’ve seen it happening too many times now and i’m so concerned. Those kind of people will get triggered just by seeing comment like “I think that X singer can be bi/gay/pan”. Some of them even DENY their favs own words when they gave a hint of their sexuality or some of them queer code. The best example that I’ve seen some time ago can be SUGA from BTS. Personally I don’t really listen to that group, once wanted to, but something ( fandom) prevented me from it. But back to point. There is a song if i am not mistaken that this man wrote himself and in that song he sings a verse that says “either is a man or a women”. Also apparently there was an interview when he himself said that he doesn’t care about the gender, when it comes to love, because he focus more on that person than either is boy or girl. THAT screams Pansexuality. And yet I’ve seen many of his fans Denying that fact by saying things like “but that doesn’t say that he is pan. He can be still straight and not care about gender”. Sorry. I didn’t know that being straight means not caring about gender, I always taught is being attracted to opposite one.
What I am trying to say here is that either it’s obsession about having gay favs and trying to prove so bad that they are gay OR aggression towards idea of their favs not being straight/denial even when some of them said/done something that can hint about them being queer… BOTH of those behaviors are Extremely disgusting, wrong and disrespectful. Because both are forcing the sexualities on those artists, when they might not be it.
Tbh I don’t even know why sexuality of their fav singers for fans is such important thing. At the end of the day sexuality (straight, bi,pan, gay, lesbian etc.) doesn’t affect the music they make or their vocals, neither it changes them as humans or their personality. So why is it so important for a lot of fans?
And no there is no such thing as “as long as they won’t come out, they are straight”. They can be any other sexuality, without informing their fans and the reason why they don’t do it is simply the very homophobic music industry and world itself . It is called protecting myself.
Listen to music, not to sexual orientation. If you are curious … cool. But if you’re Obsessed… pls stop.
i think a lot of ppl assume ppl are straight until said otherwise just bc as a society that's what we've been taught or told.
personally, unless an artist makes it apparent one way or another, i don't really focus on sexuality. i don't really care if they ever talk about their own or not. if they want to, awesome. if not, also awesome. i'm not stanning someone bc they're gay or straight or whatever lol
i think a lot of it has to do with connection sometimes. some ppl really want to connect with their favorite artist, and if that artist happens to also be the same sexuality as them, than that makes everything they do more special sometimes. and i think the reason some try to out their faves is bc curiosity and blurring the lines of the para-social relationship. they want to know and want to be the first to know too.
but as for the ones that deny their faves the right to express themselves…. it could be a bit of internalized homophobia. or just general homophobia. i know from personal experience internalize homophobia makes you do some dumb fucking things or make you think stupidly. so, to those that do deny, i have sympathy.
but only to a very small degree. once you start arguing with ppl about someone that outright has said that they are one way… you've lost me and you need some help, my friend.
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You should read this article about it it hits some of you frustration and mine as well it old from 2017 movietime()guru/for-its-mike-hanlon-and-stranger-things-lucas-sinclair-s-sake-let-s-just-call-racism-racism-b5f7b3397687
Read it, and yeah I very much agree. If a character is being racist it should be acknowledged by the story, instead of it just being some nebulous implication.
First of all it just just doesn’t make sense character wise. If the Duffers really thought Billy’s character would use the N-word, why would he be so coy and only say “people like that” to Max. Once Billy’s actor said he wouldn’t use the slur, they still could have had the character still use the word black in a derogatory way. Like idk why this racist character whose moved to a majority white town and probably knows he’d get away with being blatantly racist is bothering to be vague. If he‘s really that racist he’s not going to watching his language when he’s alone or trying to go after Lucas.
And I don't just think they should do that because the white audience is stupid, but because if they're going to have this looming racism in the story then it should affect the character facing it and they should be aloud to put that into words.
As I said before, Stranger Things does this with it's queer characters. We haven't even seen anyone be homophobic to them but that fear of being found out and facing that bigoty is a part of their character. Robin is aloud to say that she can't ask the girl she likes out because it could end badly for her.
Meanwhile, for some reason Lucas isn't given that same opportunity to voice his frustrations about Billy's racism. He doesn't have a moment to vent to either one of his friends or Max that Billy is specifically targeting him due to his race.
Not only that, Billy's racism is dropped as soon as he gets beat up at the end of the season. Nor is his racism treated as an issue that exists outside of Billy. Billy is the only racist person we have in the entire show--not even his abusive father seems to have any problem with Lucas, given Max is dating him in season 3 with no issue. It comes across as a one bad apple kind of situation.
Meanwhile, the homophobia Robin faces is presented as a more societal issue. Her problem isn't fixed by beating up the big bad homophobic bully. It won't fix Will's problems either.
It feels to me that in the end they only made Billy racist because they wanted their new bully character to be as bad as possible, but didn’t know how to actually incorporate that once they had to take the slurs off the table. Like they certainly didn’t make Billy racist because they wanted to explore how said racist actions affected Lucas, because that could have been done without having Billy shout racial slurs at him. Just having Lucas vent to his friends or Max would have been fine and put Billy’s actions in better context. 
Also maybe they shouldn’t have dropped that aspect of Billy’s character when season 3 started. Like a small scene of Billy using his power as a life guard to bully Lucas’s sister, or her just deciding not to go to the pool because he’s the guy on duty would get across he was still the same shitty, racist person he was in season 2. 
That or they could have dropped that aspect from Billy’s character once his actor refused to say slurs. If they weren’t going to properly address it’s affect on Lucas and drop it anyway later, what point does it serve being there? Billy was enough of an asshole/ threat without being racist and still could have hated Lucas because Max hanging out with him made his life harder, due to his abusive dad breathing down his neck to watch her constantly. 
Instead they sort of did both approaches and ended up making Billy  two completely different people from one season to next, while also not adding anything to Lucas’s character or saying anything about racism, either now or back in the 80′s. It was just weak overall, handled poorly, and hurt both season 2 and 3. 
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i could be totally off base here but i feel like one of the reasons that grown up Bellamy (i can’t spell i am sorry bellamy) during Jim Whump Era made Kane so uncomfortable is that he’s very flamboyant and queer coded, and Kane has that whole forced heteronormativity closeted gay guy thing going on so he’s really uncomfortable when confronted with anything that could make him feel not straight feelings
obviously the main reasons is that the vampires think bellamy is a worse laughing stock than kane (if i remember the ball chapters correctly) but i feel like the whole Not Straight and Desperately Trying To Conform thing plays into it
cw: discussions homophobia & homophobic family members
you are actually off base! bellamy's been out FOREVER. came out to kane when he was 14 and kane was 13. kane was the first person he explicitly told, but most other people guessed before then when he started being openly gnc (kane was too oblivious and had to be told directly). kane, in his teenage years, repeatedly told people (usually anton) to fuck off after they made homophobic comments to or about bellamy.
but kane and bellamy occupy veeeery different spaces socially. kane is the black sheep, even trying as hard as he can he can't be seen in good standing. every fuckup is another tally against him, and in his circles, that includes being any kind of lgbt. in kane's eyes, he couldn't afford to be anything but straight, so it wasn't even worth considering. bellamy on the other hand is the prodigy, the pride and joy of his family. his family are far from thrilled that he's gay, but they're willing to "look past it" due to everything else. i think this ask i answered from anton's perspective sums it up nicely. the main thing is that he renounced the nobility and their traditions- him being gay is just a footnote in comparison. if he hadn't done what he did, he could have lived an easy life due to his status. not many would dare to question him. his rank would quiet most homophobia he could have experienced. if KANE had been out as gay or bi, his circumstances would be extremely different. very very bad for him. so he subconsciously just buried it.
the reason bellamy made kane uncomfortable during the jim's captivity arc had nothing to do with that. he can't be seen associating with bellamy because then everyone's going to think less of him, and he NEEDS to be seen in a good light. also the last time they interacted (85 years prior) was them having a huge fight. literally went from ride-or-die best friends to no-contact in a single night. (bellamy tried to write kane letters for years afterwards but kane never responded)
btw kane doesn’t know jim is gay because he never asked.
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I've been a fan of Lil Nas X since Old Town Road and that experience is changing the way I see Harry and Louis. The lengths they go to to convince their fans/the public that they're not gay leaves me cold. I know Louies love to call Louis brave and fearless, but to me he's the opposite, still pretending to be that poor child's father.
Oh anon - I'm really glad that Little Nas X resonates with you. But this ask is very ungenerous and that ungenerosity doesn't follow from loving Little Nas X. I do think often when people are this ungenerous to people they barely know, there is an element of not being able to be generous to themselves. So I'm going to focus a little bit on a different way you could look at it, and then a bit about what I see as the difference between Harry and Louis.
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Your starting point seems so narrow to me - a real reflection of stan culture. There are many, many, many ways of being a queer artist, loving one artist doesn't have to leave less space for others.
What if we were all brave? What if there were as many brave ways to live our lives and navigate oppression as there were people?
I love the song Spring Street by Dar Williams and there's a snippet that goes like this:
But I'll push myself up through the dirt And shake my petals free I'm resolved to being born And so resigned to bravery
And that's it - that's what we've all got to work with. There is no other option.
I think it's great that Montero and the way Lil Nas X is navigating the world resonates with you. There are lots of artists who are gay on main in all sorts of different ways. You don't need to put closeted artists down to celebrate and enjoy that. Go follow your bliss - you don't need to make up reasons why the things that are not your bliss are objectively wrong to do so.
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I want to make it clear that I reject your framing. Describing being closeted as 'The lengths they go to to convince their fans/the public that they're not gay' is the sort of individualised blaming people for the way they navigate the world that I'm pretty clear that I'm against. You're telling a story and blaming the people in it for that story - you've decided that Freddie is 'that poor child'. I'm not here for any of it. I think there are all sorts of reasons that an artist who started out now might be closeted, and that there's no shame in being closeted.
I think there's something particularly ungenerous about the way you suggest that it's a problem that Harry and Louis are closeted because they work at it. You really seem to be suggesting that certain ways of navigating oppression are only acceptable if they're easy - which I don't follow at all).
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But I do think it's worth thinking a little bit about what's changed in the last ten years and how much a difference your celebrity age matters.
I thought about that when I looked at Emma Corrin's latest posts. They're only two years younger than Harry, but they're ten years younger as a celebrity. I thought what it must be like for Harry, to see someone he knows change their pronouns, and post publicly about using a binder. I try to imagine what Harry's life would have been like if, when he was becoming famous, that had been something that was possible for an actor who had just won a SAG and a Golden Globe for a break out role.
2010 is closer in time to the repeal of Section 28, the law that made it illegal for teachers to suggest that queer relationships were normal, than it is to today.
What must it be like to have lived through that change and yet know that your celebrity story was shaped by the homophobic structures of society (and just as crucially power stuctures in the music industry) 11 years ago, when you were 16.
I'm sure it's complicated to watch people pushing boundaries now, and see that they're in completely different places they were when you were relating to them.
You'll live your life however works best for you anon. But I do think it's more interesting and ultimately satisfying to try and be a bit curious about other people's lives and what it might be like, rather than focusing on whether they're right or wrong.
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all the sexuality talk is just showing me how much internalized homophobia a lot of twitter users seem to have like 😭 can they fuck off and realize you aren’t uplifting or supporting lgbt+ people if you aren’t supporting ALL queer people regardless of using a label or not. and also can they learn that no cc’s sexuality is our business and they don’t owe it to us to label themselves or give us some sort of coming out and not doing those things doesn’t make them any less valid if they do happen to be queer. like holy shit just stop speculating about sexualities and really they should just stop talking altogether if they can’t handle discussing it without being invasive or flat out fucking homophobic at even the idea that a cc they like could be queer
even if they've come out as queer. even if they've stated they're straight. I DONT CARE. shut up about it shut the fuck up sexuality is fluid sometimes it changes and by using the wrong label you're putting pressure on someone who might not be ready to say anything yet!!!! shut up about it all together it's not OUR BUSINESS show support when support is due and that's. it.
after making this mistake three fucking times you think people would've fucking learnt but they're still doing it
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chile i'm so glad i came across your blog, the amount of "i'm not going to assume they're dating" or "we can only draw certain conclusions but i can't say for sure" "we don't know their sexuality, BUT" type blogs i follow is getting kinda wack lmao. while i appreciate their perspective and nuanced takes i need to strike a balance. like let's get a lil delulu every once in a while. 💀
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lol the im-not-a-shipper-but-call-jikook-boyfriends-every-other-post blogs are the funniest to me. the shipping hierarchy, so to speak is so weird. maybe just because im not a "shipping real people is bad" person i don't see the big deal. gonna get called delulu anyway, might as well go full out. they is gay/queer and they're fucking. i'm so sorry.
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*also can we touch on the fact that shipping in this type of fandom (kpop) is kind of inevitable and unavoidable??! these boys are the other people we see them with day in and day out, interacting with each other and no one else. i feel like it's natural to ship when there's no other people around to break up everything, idk maybe someone can articulate this better than me. and people who are made to feel stupid for thinking that 2 members could actually be dating is so dumb. like is it really out of the realm of possibility that two people (jikook, cause all them other ships are....😬) who spent almost every waking minute together for like 8 years could fall in love. really?
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It's the delulu hat for me
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Lmho.
I guess for me being queer, I feel it's gaslighting for these people to be saying things like that. As silly as it is, it inadvertently deny and invalidate the existence and queerness of gay individuals and so I struggle with it.
This is the consequences of straight people in gay people business. They like defining gay parameters for us and it's like who asked you?? I feel people who say things like that are just plain ignorant or tone deaf or willfully homophobic.
I don't think everyone in BTS is gay but it makes me feel safe to see half the community assume them to be and celebrate them in that way. They are not cussing at them and threatening to leave the fandom or cancel them for this assumption and that is huge inspiration to me.
Those parts of the fandom are a safe space to be in as a queer army.
When people assume a person's queer sexuality they are simply admitting to themselves at the very least that LGBTQ EXISTS. This is important to me because I grew up in a community where LGBTQ didn't even exist in the collective consciousness of the people and EVERYONE IS AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED TO BE STRAIGHT AND EXPECTED TO BE.
People read people's sexuality all the time and have done so since time immemorial and a lot of the time when they have had a sexuality read it's in the lines of straight, cis, rich, poor, superior or inferior. And that is a problem for some of us too because that discrepancy in the assumptions is as a result of homophobia and heteronormativity.
That whole don't assume a person's queer sexuality debacle sounds to me like a boujee way of denormalizing and preventing the normalization of queerness disguised under care, disguised under intelligence and disguised under wokeness. Especially when straightness is the default setting in this giant blue bulb.
We need to radicalize that. We need to change the cis straight default setting and if you are perpetuating this narrative you really aren't helping the situation. SIT DOWN.
I'm rarely assumed to be queer in certain circles and while that makes me feel comfortable within those circles it often times make it hard for me to admit my queerness openly in those circles too because I fear I will lose that comfort and respect and love and privileges that comes with being percieved straight in those spaces.
When I started my blog, I noticed some people assumed I was white and would use certain black descriptors as slurs when describing other people to me. I quickly had to switch the formal way in which I wrote to a much casual tone so my blackness would show through. Don't get it twisted. She black. She blackidy black black.
Then on the other hand, I was hesitant to let my queerness be known too because being black, I was marginalized as it is- you is black, or sound black💀 you know how it is- it's that intersectionality of oppression at play. Double double homicide.
When certain people realized I was black POC minority, their attitude towards me changed. I had those who didn't so much understand what black language is or perhaps wasn't used to being in black spaces and were uncomfortable with my blackness- these would take offense at me saying certain things in certain ways. Like chilee relax Karen, all I said was these motherfukkers gay as shit and they gay. Why you acting like I called them twinks or sommin. Right there, I'm cancelled for calling Jikook motherfuckers. They get sirens and everything😭😭😭😭😭😭
Same vein, I struggle destraightening myself or correcting people who assume I'm straight because I fear they will treat me differently if they knew I wasn't.
Straight privilege exists in the same way as white or even pretty privilege may exist and because these exist there's that automatic conception of queer, poc, ugly, fat disemfranschismet to run along side it.
People treat you differently based on how they perceive you. That's a fact. And for queer people, perceiving us as straight is the only way we get to be treated as human by the masses. And a lot of us embrace that- straight until proven gay am I right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's the duper's delight for me. Untill you catch me with a 5'8 melanin skinned silk pressed auntie on my left nipple good luck proving I'm gay.
It can be fun, I akekeke when some people around me are totally oblivious to the fact and even sometimes defend my straightness with their dying breath when nasty friends throw them shades or try to out me unprovoked.
A lot of us don't want to admit we are gay because we don't want to be disenfranchised.
I speak for myself when I say this.
But 'Don't assume someone's sexuality' is a double edged censorship used for and against queer people. It seemly offers protection on the surface of it for queer people but underneath it promotes heteronormativity and standardizes straightness and it is also used to promote closet culture, under the disguise of care and concern for the autonomy of queer people but that is a fallacy because our autonomy has never mattered to anyone since the dawn of homophobia.
And I don't know where this interpretation comes from. Why do people not want to assume queer people's sexuality but it's ok to assume straight people's???
It feels like a hijacked movement to me.
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THIS IS THE ACCURATE MOVEMENT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
Don't assume all people are straight. It's ok to assume some people are queer because queer people exists too.
It is wrong however to assume queerness based on how a person talks, walks, dresses or even on their body type. That is stereotyping. And stereotyping is wrong.
When it comes to Jikook, Jimin is often stereotyped as gay more so than Jungkook because they have different body structures. Jungkook is stereotyped too solely because of the way his wrists hang, or based on moments he's femininity shines through.
But I don't think shippers stereotype Jikook in that way at all. I dont think shippers believe Jikook are dating eachother simply because Jungkook applied setting powder to his face that one time. They assume they are gay only because they believe those two to be dating eachother. That is not stereotyping. If those two were heterosexuals I don't think people will accuse their shippers of stereotyping.
It's one thing to assume Kai is gay because he looks skinny and dances well. It's another to assume he is gay because in a relationship with Gdragon. And if people can't tell the difference between the two, they should get some education and stop talking about things they know nothing about or only know because they stumbled across user69 on Twitter. They are not helping.
Untill people get offended when people assume others are straight, that rhetoric doesn't matter in its inequality. If you ask me, everyone is gay until proven straight.
Yet how many people will take offense at that?
Assuming people can be gay is not delulu.
It's ok to assume people can be gay. It's wrong to stereotype them as gay. If you can't assume they are gay, don't assume they are straight and don't assume at all. Run with this sis.
Wait, they don't ship Jikook but they call Jikook boyfriends???????👀👀👀👀👀
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The fake woke syndrome will kill people in this fandom with these mentally confused thought crisis bunch💀💀💀💀
Jikook themselves are shippers💀
Smh
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