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I haven’t rewatched to 100% confirm but I’m pretty sure Conrad never smokes again after his convo with belly on the beach and I find that really endearing
YES! I feel comfortable confirming that this is a fact. I love that they did that. I felt like the scenes of him smoking were very intentionally placed and kind of emphasized and I love that him not smoking is something you have to notice quietly on your own, between the lines without the show directly telling you.
After they talk by the pool at the beginning and she tells him to quit and hits her with the "what'll you give me if I do?", if I remember correctly he puts out the joint he's smoking as he gets up to go with Jere and Steven. When they had that convo on the beach and he stopped smoking for her, and the way he looked at her during that convo...I was deceased. it was so cute and as you said endearing. And it just shows how much he loves and respects her. BUT THEN when I finally realized, after countless rewatches, that he never smokes again after that? I think we all need to sue for emotional damages for that. My heart is so full just thinking about it. I would also like to point out that after the 4th of July margaritas, we don't see him drinking either, at least not as heavily/nonstop as he was- when he is drinking after the 4th of July it's always just one beer in his hand and he's never drunk (he wasn't even really drunk on 4th of July despite the margaritas). And when Belly first saw him smoking by the pool she gave him a whole speech about how it's bad for you and all the things he's said about how bad smoking is for you, so I would like to believe that he stopped smoking and getting drunk for Belly, because he wanted to be the good guy she knows he is- he wanted to be his usual self, his pre-Susannah being sick self that Belly fell in love with. And as the summer went on, he didn't need being high/drunk to distract him from his pain because he had Belly instead. Because she's his sun and everything except for her disappears when he's with her. I love the sneaky way Jenny Han snuck this little detail in. I don't think my heart will ever recover from it. She snuck little details in the books too about how he quit smoking. It makes me so happy. Conrad was doing so much to show his love and I wish people could understand/see that.
Idk why but my heart has always imagined a throwback 2010s soundtrack for tsitp (I LOVED the soundtrack though, it was a perfect mix with a couple older songs thrown in). There was a scene (and I can't remember which now) when the song started playing and for half a second I thought it was What Makes You Beautiful and I got so excited and honestly kind of sad that it wasn't. I was feeling nostalgic and listening to One Direction today and they have so many songs that would fit so perfectly with the show. Little Things, I Wish, More Than This, Moments, Night Changes, Summer Love, Steal My Girl, Strong, Something Great, Does He Know?, Heart Attack, Change My Mind, Loved You First, They Don't Know About Us, I Would, Tell Me A Lie, Gotta Be You....the possibilities are literally endless. "I won't let these little things slip out of my mouth" is literally Conrad, Little Things is his song to Belly.
I loved the soundtrack and I know it's taking place in 2022 in the show and so they modernized everything but I feel old af. They had no business having one of the moms making an Olsen twins reference and Belly not getting it. damn I know I'm getting old but I didn't think I was THAT old.
I love your blog! I know this has probably been discussed, but do you think we’ll get more content of Belly and Conrad dating in the next season, or it will focus more on Jeremiah since parts of the second book are his POV. Im excited for season 3 bc Jenny said it would follow the books with a few surprises, so I’m really looking forward to seeing belly and Conrad in cousins even though they aren’t together while Jeremiah is interning haha. But belly and Conrad are endgame. I’m just so excited to see how this plays out in the show. I’m literally obsessed with the show and the books, I don’t want the series to come to an end lol. I’d love it if they showed Conrad and Belly’s wedding, especially them dancing to “Stay”. My heart would explode. And also if they did an ending scene where it showed them in the future with kids. Idk. The way the book ends is perfect, but I want more than 3 seasons of the show. I could seriously talk about this series all day. It’s nice to know there are other people who love this as much as I do.
I think they will definitely show some Belly and Conrad dating content because a lot of their moments in the 2nd book were really important. It will be really interesting to see how they show it though bc it was all flashbacks in the book so I wonder if they will show things chronologically or flashback. I think they might even include extra Conrad/Belly content that wasn't in the books bc season 1 had extra Jeremiah/Belly content in order to really emphasize and hype up the love triangle. I'm sure there will be plenty of Belly/Jere in season 2 as well. I hope they have some Jeremiah narration added into season 2 to show that we're now getting his POV and I really hope we get to see some of the moments between Jere and Conrad from Jeremiah's chapters in the book bc I loved that. It's going to be a fun season (despite her being with Jeremiah at the end) and I can't wait to see the dynamic between the three of them as they all start to realize both brothers like her. If they don't show Belly and Conrad's secret December night in Cousins in its entirety I will actually riot (I have faith in our girl Jenny though bc she said she's trying really hard to include all the things readers want to see). I'm also wondering if they will show the Valentine's Day under the stars in season 2 or save it for season 3 since it was in book 3. I'm also hoping season 2 has more flashbacks- I want to see Junior Mint's origin (how can they not show that as important as it was in the books???) and the glass unicorn and the slurpee debacle. And I truly can't wait to see boss bitch Laurel saving the house and putting Adam in his place. And the motel scene! I just know Chris Briney is going to rip my heart out with Conrad's pain and in season 3 too. I'm just so excited to see how it all plays out on screen cause I know everyone is going to do such a good job.
I don't know how I'm going to wait another year+ for season 3 because that's what I've been the most excited about since I read the books the first time. I was like omg I just know book 3 would make a great movie. And the fact that it's a show will make it so much better because they will have the time to show everything. It blows my mind that people don't like the third book and don't like the wedding plot and are hoping for a totally different ending and third season. I LIVED for that wedding plot (for any wedding plot tbh); the drama, the romance, the suspense, the jealousy (it kinda gives me Something Borrowed vibes lol)...it's going to be so good on screen! I just think it has everything to make a great season of the show. There's so much going on that they can work with and expand so they won't even need to add any plot lines. And just imagine Conrad narration! Can you imagine if they have him narrating "I would rather have had someone shoot me in the head with a nail gun, repeatedly, than have to watch the two of them cuddling on the couch all night"...I would be dying. Also I'm with you- I want to see their wedding and the proposal. When they danced at the deb ball my heart exploded so I'm def going to need an actual wedding dance bc the entire deb ball dance sequence I was screaming "IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GETTING MARRIED!!!" (and the fact that he had a tux that stood out from the other guys just added to it) ahhhh I'm so ready for to see their endgame. I'm also hoping we get an ending scene where everyone is in Cousins together too (I have a whole other ask where I wrote out a summary of it and talked about a season 4) and they have kids and everything (I actually got carried away and have been working on writing a little fic of the ending scene). In summary I just cannot wait for season 3. And if they want to do a season 4 and expand on the letters and Belly in Spain and really show how she and Jeremiah reconciled their friendship and how she ended up with Conrad and how he proposed I'd wouldn't be mad at all. Honestly as much attention as the first season has gotten, and as successful as it's been if season 2 does just as well I feel like they'd have to be stupid to not seriously consider season 4.
anyway. You can talk to me about tsitp anytime you want bc I could talk about it all day too and I am so happy to find people who want to talk about it/discuss with me! It makes me so happy I'm not the only one who loves it so much.
not to make everyone cry but...Conrad always felt like it was his job to take care of everyone and keep them safe and protected and he thought he was doing a good job and had things under control until he found out Susannah was dying and then he couldn't save her. In the glass unicorn flashback he was so upset and yelling at Belly not because he was mad at her, but because he was angry at himself and thought something had happened to her on his watch and he couldn't handle that. He's so devastated and angry the whole summer after finding out that she's sick because in his mind he failed to protect her and keep her safe and there's nothing he can do about it (just like when he lost Belly at the mall when she was looking at the glass unicorns) and he feels like it's all his fault. I have never wanted to hug a fictional character so much before. And this is why I will protect Conrad at all costs.
just thinking about We'll Always Have Summer and the part when Taylor and Belly talk about their dream weddings that they planned together when they were younger and even though they never say it it's obvious Belly planned that wedding with Conrad in mind and then in the epilogue when it's Belly and Conrad's wedding she got her dream wedding with all of the little details she and Taylor talked about and everything she wanted. The metaphor and poetry in that is just so pretty to me.
one thing I really am not looking forward to is the absolute hate train for Conrad in s2 like from the actors Jenny and the narrative of the show itself — like that’s one thing I think that makes me very annoyed with the books (and this is coming from someone who disliked both brothers until midway through the second book) is how like the narrative is constantly saying Conrad is an asshole when he’s actually making so many sacrifices (1/?)
(2/?) like I think one thing that truly made me wind up on team Conrad was that I felt like the books kept telling me well it SHOULD be jeremiah (and to me jere always felt like that nice guy who is sweet but feels entitled to belly’s feelings bc he was nice which then doesn’t really make him seem so nice) and as I Kept reading I just didn’t see anything compelling to back up all the telling that said I need to root for jere. (3/?) and meanwhile watching Conrad kind of embody “if you love something let it go and if it loves you back it will return” philosophy just honestly made me realize like there isn’t even a competition it’s like belly says in the last book that she could bet her life on him and like NO ONE else sees that in the books aside from Lauren and Susannah that it just feels so frustrating to read and I feel like the show will be the same insufferable way. (4/4) Anyways that’s it sorry if it seems like a disjointed rant I can’t see my messages once I send them so I was writing form memory haha
First of all, thank you for summarizing in words that make sense all my thoughts and feelings on Jeremiah. Yeah, I'm hoping the second season shows more of Conrad in a way that makes people understand who his character really is. I'm shocked at how many people hate him after season 1 (and especially the book people who still want her with Jeremiah!). Cause I really thought the show didn't do Jeremiah any favors...like it didn't change how I felt about him after reading the books and I went into the show thinking I'd be torn between them but...there were so many things I didn't love about Jeremiah and I'm shocked nobody ever talks about it! (but that's a conversation for another day/ask lol). I hate that although they showed you in season 1 that Conrad is a sweet, gentle, thoughtful guy who is just not good with emotions and is afraid of saying how he feels, and they even showed how he was struggling with Susannah being sick and people still came to the conclusion that he's an asshole. I agree that the narrative and every character besides Laurel, Susannah and Conrad (bc Conrad doesn't ever give his opinion to Belly on it, he just supports whatever she chooses) tell Belly and the reader/audience that she should be with Jeremiah...but the more they push that the more I'm like...um NO. But I think it also makes it feel like Belly is really forcing things with Jeremiah, like she's forcing herself to be happy and in love with him even though she isn't because it's what she believes everyone else thinks/wants for her. I think a big part of the books was the different types of love the brothers have for her which is what it boiled down to in the end; they both loved her in very different ways. Jeremiah verbally told her his feelings and told her loved her, but Conrad showed her that he loved her, he put in so much effort and thought and you could feel how much he loved her without him ever needing to say it. If Jeremiah hadn't said anything to her about his feelings, she never would have known. But she knew how Conrad felt long before he ever confessed any type of feelings. That's just something that always gets me.
I'm so glad that there are so many voices of reason in this fandom that see things the way I do. Because to me there wasn't a competition either. I knew before I ever got to Conrad's POV that he was completely in love with her but when I read the third book and he was so willing to spend the rest of his life miserable for her to be happy...I sobbed, like show's over, cancel everything. there was never a choice, he was always the only one and she's the only one for him. That is the purest type of love you can have. He truly understands what it means to love someone, it was never a competition for him, it was always about her being the happiest she could be. And he was going to be the best man at the wedding! The man was going to stand beside his brother and watch, miserable with a front row seat, as he married Belly! You can't be anymore selfless than that. Jeremiah didn't even come close to that and it's not even his fault his love wasn't on that level and neither was Belly's love for him. Jeremiah thinks it's all about winning the prize and getting the trophy, no matter what you have to do to get it, even if you have to cheat to get there or be deceitful. Conrad knows it's really about earning the win and being deserving of that trophy, he knows you have to do it the right way and do all the right things to get there; it's not a real, true win if you cheat. Also I felt like Jeremiah put his own insecurities and flaws onto Conrad the whole time, bc he knows he's not the perfect guy everyone says he is, deep down he knows he's playing dirty and Conrad is actually a good guy. Conrad had the best, purest intentions with every single thing he did and decision that he made (yeah, he accidentally hurt people but he never meant to, his heart was always in the right place), but Jeremiah didn't, his intentions were poisonous. Yes, Jeremiah loved her and I'm not saying he's a terrible person but I think we can all agree he didn't have the right intentions. As much as Laurel and Susannah saw how Conrad loved Belly, I know Jeremiah recognized it too, he just refused to admit/accept it, which is what frustrates me the most about the whole thing, the people who think she should end up with Jeremiah and the "Jeremiah is nice and good and innocent and perfect" narrative. It is frustrating to see that narrative carried through everything and I hope the actors and Jenny acknowledge it bc the fact is Jeremiah is not perfect at all and that's a big part of the story, that none of them is perfect. There's a quote from somewhere that goes something like "art isn't supposed to look nice, it's supposed to make you feel something". It's wonderful that Jeremiah is so nice to Belly and cares about her so much but the bottom line is he doesn't make her feel anything. Every time Belly is with Jeremiah it embodies the parts of The Way I Loved You about the guy all the single friends are jealous of "and I feel perfectly fine...and I'm comfortable...he can't see the smile I'm faking and my heart's not breaking cause I'm not feeling anything at all".
Anyways I'm hoping that season 2 does Conrad more justice and that the actors and Jenny will defend him more/better. Bc the Conrad slander they are allowing is just unfair lol. CONRAD IS NOT AN ASSHOLE and I will scream that from the rooftops until my throat is sore. We just have to stay strong until season 3 bc that is Conrad's time to shine and I just know he will get so much positive attention and good press. Chris Briney seems to understand Conrad so completely that I think he at least will get justice for Conrad. He knows Conrad doesn't deserve the hate. At least the hate should be evened out between the brothers. I'm not trying to hate on Jeremiah all the time just show that he isn't perfect and neither is Conrad. Just because he seems nice and charming doesn't mean he's not problematic, and just because Conrad appears moody and problematic doesn't mean he's not a sweetheart. I kind of like the way you don't get Conrad's POV until the very end bc it felt like it just took him three books to get comfortable enough with me, the reader, to finally open up and be brutally honest.
anyway I'm sorry bc my answer became a disjointed rant and I could see my whole response lol. I will leave you with this one last parting thought: I too love the line about how she could bet her life on him after he told her he loves her. "When Conrad Fisher told a girl he loved her, he meant it. A girl could believe in that. A girl could maybe even bet her whole life on it." Conrad is a lot of things but he ain't no liar. He would never tell someone he loved them if he didn't, if he was unsure about it. I love that about him.
Please correct me because I can't remember, but I can't remember Steve saying any disparaging words about Jonathan since breaking up with Nancy but Jonathan in the most recent season says something about Steve being a bad leader. To me, it really says that Steve has become more mature than Jonathan.
Yeah I don't have any memory of him saying anything negative about Jonathan post breakup. He's actually pretty respectful of their breakup and of Nancy's choices, and afterwards we never see him being a jerk about it or disparaging J. So yeah I would 100% agree. In so many ways Steve has showed that he's matured a lot and is continuing to mature (while J really isn't) and this is just one more area. When he brings up Jonathan, it's to include him in an invite to hang out, and he never says anything negative about J, even though he would have reason to considering J also violated his privacy in season 1.
no bc what’s actually going on what did matt cornett DO to tim federle why have so many characters gotten an emotional song to sing about their journeys and yet the character with one of the largest character development arcs has sung:
someone out at disney+ is trying to fuck me over specifically bc there ain’t no way i finally got an ej solo with guitar and it was an upbeat yet remarkably threatening song about a woman dying in the woods