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fizzvstheworld · 1 year
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Tumblr seeing Twitter implode in a cloud of midlife crisis while DeviantArt's entire user base is rebelling against the platform in light of their DreamUp AI partnership:
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audiokitty · 1 year
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Cactus girl 💚
Honestly really love this piece 🥹
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niqhtlord01 · 1 year
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Humans are weird: The thing that lives in flames ( Please come see me on my new patreon and support me for early access to stories and personal story requests :D https://www.patreon.com/NiqhtLord Every bit helps)  
There came a day when visitors from beyond the stars came to visit our humble home. They told us they were “humans” from a far off world that had heard stories of our people and traditions.
Before our elders, the leader of their group came forth and asked us to summon the thing we most feared. They spoke of wanting to study it, learn of it, and catalog it so their knowledge of the universe would grow.
At first the elders refused the request. To summon the being we all feared would only bring folly down upon the entire village and possible the entire world if left unchecked. Yet still the human leader pleaded for three days and three nights, and by the dawn of the fourth day the elders relented.
Deep within the caves of the tallest mountains the elders led the group of humans to a special chamber. Unlike the rest of the mountain, this chamber was carved from a strange material. It was as cold as the frozen north lands and the stone was not bedrock but an unknown red material that was soft to the touch.
Once all had gathered the elders went to the center of the room and lit a ceremonial fire. The fire blazed bright and fierce as the elders began chanting the holy words to summon their fear while the humans looked on un-amused. This lasted for an hour before finally the creature appeared.
From the heart of the roaring fire it took form. An every changing set of eyes surrounded by a dark flame that billowed manifested and from the fire it spoke. It raged and howled in anger as the humans recoiled in fear. The eyes of the beast grew large and sharp as it cursed all who brought it into being and swore revenge on them when the time of liberation came.
The human leader tried to speak to the being yet its rage would not abate. It threw itself into a maelstrom that spun the flames in a great whirlwind that risked filling the entire chamber in flame. Just as the fire singed the human leaders arms the elders stepped forth and doused the flame at the center of the chamber and the being within vanished.
Words could not express the joy of the human leader, despite their apparent injury. The rumors and stories they had heard were true. Beyond all realms of understanding the myths that they had laughed at were real and the monster these alien people was something they had never encountered before. The human leader begged the elders to summon it again, but they refused the request.
They said that they must wait several days before the summoning could begin again, but they did not say why. Once the period of calming had ended, they agreed to welcome the humans again and summon the beast once more. In the mean time they were invited to study the rest of their culture and learn of them, to which the human leader agreed.
Late that night, when the elders had returned to their village and the humans had returned to their landing ship; a hidden visitor returned to the chamber. There at the heart of the mountain they removed their cloak and hood, safe in the belief that they were alone.
It was a human girl who had been with the group early that very same day.
She lit the ceremonial fires at the center of the room and played the special chants from her recording device she had used earlier during the ceremony and waited. By the hours end the being returned once more and the eyes looked down at the lonely human.
“WHY HAVE YOU COME?!” The being bellowed in a voice that shook the room, yet the human said nothing.
Enraged by the silence, the flames grew large and filled the room as the eyes leered down at the lone girl.
“DO YOU SEEK YOUR FUTURE? DO YOU LONG TO KNOW WHEN AND WHERE YOUR LONG AWAITED LoVe WILL FIND YOU?!” It laughed as the heat began to prickle the skin of the human.
“YOU AND YOUR KIND HAVE USED ME FOR MILLENIA AND YET YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT…..”
The beings voice grew quiet as it took in the room and realized that only the girl stood in its presence.
“WHERE ARE THE OTHERS?” it asked.
“Others?” the human girl replied.
“MY KEEPERS!” the fire being roared. “HAVE THEY FLED BEYOND MY SIGHT AND WAIT BEYOND THAT CURSED DOOR?”
“I have come alone.” the girl answered. Her voice was soft, but devoid of fear.
“ALONE?”
“Yes.”
“WHY?!”
The human girl surprised the being by sitting down and pulling out a data pad. “I wish to speak with you.”
“SPEAK WITH ME!?” The eyes flickered as the being laughed heartedly at the human’s response. “SO I WAS RIGHT! YOU WISH TO SAITE YOUR SELFISH DESIRES!”
To the beings surprise the human shook her head. “Perhaps I used the wrong words.” She admitted. “I wish to get to know you; learn about you.”
The being paused as if uncertain, but recovered quickly.
“HAVE YOU NOT SPOKEN WITH THOSE VILE SKUM THAT LIVE BEYOND THESE WALLS?” The fire at the center grew so intense it began changing into a shade of blue; the stones surrounding the flames glowing a bright red. “I AM THE DEMON OF THE FLAME! THE MONSTER TRAPPED WITHIN THE MOUNTAIN! THE SUN FALLEN FROM THE SKY!”
Rather than cowering in fear, the human girl simply began typing down everything the being said and nodded.
“YOU……DO NOT PUT ME OUT?” the being asked, the confusion clear in its voice.
“Why would I?” the girl asked as she looked up from her data pad.
“I…” the being stammered, “I HAVE NEVER SPOKEN……THIS LONG WITHOUT BEING PUT OUT.” The flames shrunk in size to a humble camp fire and the eyes glared at the human with curiosity. “IT IS A STRANGE SENSATION I HAVE NOT FELT IN A LONG TIME.”
“How long have you been in here?”
The flame said nothing as it pondered the question. Each eye shifting into a different shape as the flames grew and shrunk, but never breaking contact with the human.
“I DO Not kNoW.” It answered; the anger in its voice not as strong as it was before. “I AM oNLY aware WheN they stoke THE FLAMES.”
“What happens to you when the flames go out?” the human asked as she inched closer to the flame now that it was not as aggravated.
“IT IS BEYOND WORDS TO EXPLAIN.” The fire answered.
“So you can only appear when there is fire?”
“NO!” the being shouted and the flames soared up once more. The human girl inched back slightly and the flames died down again. “I NEED HEAT.”
“Heat?” the girl asked.
“MY BODY NEEDS HEAT TO ACHIEVE FORM.” The being stated, “WITHOUT IT I SLEEP.”
The flames grew silent again and the eyes shifted to the doorway. A cold draft was being pulled in by the heat and with each gust the being seemingly retreated away from it.
“YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG I HAVE DREAMT OF LEAVING THIS ACCURSED PLACE, YET IF I MOVE PASSED THAT DOORWAY I WOULD SLEEP ONCE MORE.”
The eyes looked back at the girl and she could see what looked like sadness cresting within them. “I wish to return home.”
At this the human stopped typing. “This isn’t your home?” The eyes shook in response.
“I FELL FROM THE STARS LONG AGO AND WAS TRAPPED HERE. SURROUNDED BY COLD STONE I SLEPT FOR SO LONG UNTIL THOSE FOOLS DUG A TUNNEL AND FOUND ME.”
The flames grew large again in anger. “I PLEADED WITH THEM FOR SO LONG TO LET ME GO, YET THEY BELIEVE ME TO BE A MONSTER AND HAVE TRAPPED ME HERE, DENYING ME MY FREEDOM WHIL THEY USE ME AS A SYMBOL IN THEIR PRIMITIVE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS!!!”
“THEY WOULD IGNORE ME DURING THEIR CHANTS AND SO I GREW TO HATE THEM.” The flames finished.
The human said nothing as the flames finished. It had enjoyed speaking its mind for a change but now expected the discussion to end just like all the rest. They would empty the dirt on to the central flames and extinguish them and once again they would sleep until summoned once more.
Just as expected the human put away their data pad and stood up. They walked over to the central flame and the being closed its eyes waiting for the darkness to take it once more.
Seconds passed.
Then minutes.
The flame opened its eyes to see what was taking them so long to find the human had removed her jacket and wrapped it around their fist.
Without hesitation they shoved their hand into the flame and the jacket caught fire, carrying one of the eyes into it.
“WHAT ARE YOU DOING?” the flame demanded.
The human girl smiled as the jacket continued to burn on her hand. “Taking you home.”
She motioned to the doorway and looked back at the rest of the eyes still gathered in the central flame. “You coming or what?”
The flame eyes went wide in disbelief at what has happening. A second of silence went by before the being let out a joyous booming laughter and the flame eyes all gathered on to the new flame.
Without missing a beat the human girl began navigating her way back through the cold tunnel to the surface. Each passing second the jacket burned hotter and closer to her hand underneath all the while the flames laughed and eagerly cheered her on.
Just as the jacket was nearly all burned away the first rays of light crept into view.
The pair rounded the final corner and were greeted on the side of the mountain by the sun cresting over the horizon as a new dawn broke.
Warmth from the sun broke across the mountain like a wave and the eyes inside the flame vanished. The human girl looked around in confusion, worried that the being had not survived long enough to reach the new warmth and that she may have just murdered it.
She looked to her side in search of the eyes and saw the burning eyes floating before her outside of the flame. As the sun reached higher into the sky a silhouette sprung out around the eyes and a humanoid shape took form.
The collection of eyes swam around within the silhouette as if being limited to one position was something it would never do again. It struck its hands to the sky and let out a roar that woke the very mountainside itself. It was as if a nightmare had finally lifted from it and the joy of the universe had returned once more to the void it had left behind.
Spinning around, the eyes focused on the human as they threw off their jacket and dabbed their hand in the cold dirt to sooth the pain.
“Why?” it asked; its voice now softer and caring. “Why did you help me?”
To its surprise the human girl shrugged once more. “Just seemed like the right thing to do.”
“The right thing to do.” It repeated. “You would be surprised what a strange concept that is among the stars.”
The figure began to burn brighter and crouched down like it was ready to leap, but stopped itself for a moment. It looked back at the human and spoke “Thank you.”
With nothing else to say the being leapt upwards and shot into the sky like a rocket. A trail of burning fire followed behind it like the tail of a comet and the sound of it breaking the sound barrier woke the surrounding villages.
In the coming days they would demand the head of the human girl for freeing the demon of the mountain and some going so far to execute her on the spot. The human leader was likewise angry beyond belief as the chance to study a unique life form had been snatched away from them, but they were not of a mind to execute one of their own so instead opted for fleeing the planet.
The human girl was expelled from the program and barred from ever serving on any future fact finding missions, but she was strangely okay with it.
Her dream had always been to go into space and help those in need, and she had done just that.
She wouldn’t have done it any other way.
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drosera-sundews · 1 year
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On AI and art theft
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This one’s for you @drawsoneverything​
So starting off with a disclaimer. I do not know how deviantart’s Dreamup works. I never worked there. I just know how AI works in general.
Shortest version: AIs (or neural networks, which I assume Dreamup is) are programs that mimic human neuron cells -and thus human learning processes-to a degree. A big difference between a neural network and a regular computer program is that neural networks require training. Like a human would require learning.
A neural network (the simple ones, at least) consist of a few ‘layers’ which contain many ‘nodes’. At least 3 are required, an input and output layer, plus one extra layer in between. Imagine it as something like this:
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Naturally, this will all be computer code. But this is the basic anatomy of your simplest neural networks.
Each node is connected to each node, like so:
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Not gonna draw all of it but you get the gist, ey. They are all connected much like -once again- neurons in the brain.
Now once you make an empty neural network like this it can’t do anything. It’s there but it’s useless and it’s interchangeable with every other untrained neural network (barring amount of layers and numbers of nodes).
What’s next is thinking of the task you want your network to perform. For example, to train it to recognize hand written letters. In this case, you’d have 26 nodes in your output layer, one for each letter of the alphabet. 
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Now we need some training data
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Perfect. Now imagine that’s a dataset with 5000 people’s handwriting. You need quite a lot of data to properly train an AI.
The idea is we want to input an image of a letter in any handwriting, and we want the AI to fire one of it’s output neurons, namely the one corresponding to the letter it ‘sees’.
The images need to be translated to numerical values, in order to be put in the input layer. This can be done, for example, by translating each pixel of the image in a numerical value, and having each node in the input layer be a ‘pixel’. In a human, these would be the neurons in our retina, or the back of your eye.
Translation of the image is going to look somewhat like this:
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With the red numbers going into the input layer as the starting values.
We can now input our images. Something complex is going to happen. Every node is going to look at the values of the input nodes and nodes before them, and gain a value based on that, following arbitrary, random patterns. You don’t need to know the specifics here, just know that now that we have input, the nodes (or neurons) can fire.
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Wow, the AI is just super wrong.
That’s okay tho, we can simply run it again until it hits the right answer by chance.
This is what the training is for. You need a dataset that’s annotated. In this case a human has to look at the inputs and identify them, so they can tell the AI if it’s right or wrong. If you do this enough times, the AI will learn to do it on it’s own.
And now here’s the catch. With every new piece of input data the machine guesses right, the values Thiof the nodes in the middle layers are changed. Like a maze, the paths to the right exit become clearer with every time the maze is completed. And while the values of the in and output layers are changed with every run, the middle layers remain. This is where the learning happens.
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This is a trained neural network. And this is why it doesn’t matter that deviantart changed their policy to opt-in instead of opt-out. Those few days were enough. Once you train a neural network it doesn’t need it’s training data anymore.
Worst thing is, the middle layers are very much a black box. We don’t know what happens in there. The AI learns to categorize things on learned criteria, but what those are we can not know.
This is a very shortened down version of a very complex process ofc. Naturally, an art generator like DreamUp is going to be much more sophisticated. But I recon it follows the same rules as the simpler neural networks, which gives us something to work with.
Once a neural network is trained it cannot be ‘untrained’. Once you taint the dataset it’s very hard to reverse the effects. And generally, you can keep training an AI to make it better even if it’s already in use. Which I’m guessing is what deviantart is still doing with any new artworks that are added without the noai-tag
And the art on deviantart is already a neatly annotated dataset. We (the artists) have been annotating it by putting descriptions below the artworks, and giving it titles describing what the work depicts.
And oh, wouldn’t it be such a shame if someone were to accidentally add wrongly annotated art to this young, impressionable AI’s dataset.
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Oh wow, if you uncheck the noai checkbox and then go back to re-edit your deviation, deviantart even let’s you directly annotate your art for their database! How convenient!
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No artist alive has ever been able to draw a proper horse, I’m going to make sure this AI imitates life. Maybe in my next work I will teach it how to draw ‘the other eye’.
This is the beauty of the system. The AI can learn all it wants, but in the end it’s not a person. It doesn’t understand what it’s looking at.
Thus, we can do the most human thing possible to this mindless piece of code, lie!
This is the toddler we can learn curse words. This tool was designed to steal art en-masse, but it was left hilariously open and vulnerable. Let’s break this stupid thing!
Honestly, they called it deviantart, if anything I’m living up to the name. 
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pawstepsinthesnow · 1 year
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On DeviantArt, DreamUp, and Lies
I’ve had things to say about the whole situation, mostly on Twitter, but Twitter is a horrible place to have an actual conversation. Warning: this is going to get long. There will be links in the body, I understand that this will tank visibility, but I need to have this written out.
If you haven’t already heard about DeviantArt’s extraordinarily failed rollout of AI scraper protection and their own AI image generator, DreamUp, I’ll quickly summarize it here for background context going in. 
On November 11th, 2022, DeviantArt debuted their own AI art generator in a huge, splashy announcement talking about how they were going to protect your art from scraping for AI datasets, and to that end, they’d made their OWN, ETHICAL AI generator only trained on opt-in art on dA.
There was just one little problem.
Every single artwork on DeviantArt was opt-in by default. 
[Nobody liked that.]
Now, I like to get my story straight-- the earliest snapshot I can find of the announcement did not say that it was trained on dA specifically. However, multiple news websites reported that it was trained on dA.
After a few Twitter spaces in which they patronized the fuck out of Major Artists (if I can find the backup of this, I will update the post to include it), they updated their policy to opt-out all art by default.
This is a distraction.
I’ll refer you to this twitter thread first, because I think it’s a brilliant summation, but for a quick summary of what their opt-out actually does:
Webpages have tags in them for web-crawlers to read, such as the ones Google uses to index webpages. dA is proposing a new one, “noai”. In order for this to actually have any effect, web crawlers need to be programmed to recognize it. You can probably guess the obvious problems with this.
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[image desc: popular meme image from the show Arthur, captioned “that sign can’t stop me because I can’t read”]
Additionally, dA’s own ToS says they won’t take any legal action to enforce their noai directive, meaning it has all the weight of a “take one” sign on a Halloween candy bowl.
Very notably, this does not affect any images that have already been scraped for datasets such as LAION, which Stable Diffusion is built on. It is well known that LAION is rife with stolen artwork.
DreamUp is built on Stable Diffusion.
The Main Point: Lies
As of the time of this writing, DeviantArt is claiming that no artwork from DeviantArt was used to train DreamUp. (ARCHIVE.ORG snapshot taken while I was writing this post for proof) This is blatantly false, knowing what’s in LAION, but in an interview with the Verge, dA’s current CEO gives a more nuanced take: “no dA-specific training”.
That is unfortunately also a lie, and trivially proven.
Before I can say how, you need to know two things about me, and a bit about the technology.
The first thing about me: I’m a cybersecurity master’s student in a very rigorous program, and my particular flavor of neurodivergence ended up trading a lot of points in “basic life skills” for “really good at computer shit”.
The second thing about me: I’ve poured years of my life into community management on dA, helping build art RPGs. It’s a little bit of a weird space if you’ve never been exposed, but what  you really need to know is we have our own lingo and our own systems of IP. 
So, Stable Diffusion is a neural network. People really hype this stuff up, but what it really is in the end is an extremely complicated math problem. What you need to know is that these neural networks undergo two phases: a training phase and a usable phase. A pretrained neural network can be retrained on additional data, but it cannot be untrained. Once trained, its training data is an intrinsic part of it. It’s actually a little worse than a human being-- we forget shit all the time, but these things can’t. All products of a neural network are mathematically dependent on its training data.
As a text-to-image generator, these generators need a specific type of data: described images. In order to generate an image from a caption, it needs to know what’s in it, after all! 
LAION is an intrinsic part of Stable Diffusion. DreamUp has stolen art in it. This is a fact. What I’m seeking to disprove here is dA’s CEO’s claim that there was no dA-specific training. In order to do so, I asked a basic question-- does DreamUp understand the shibboleths I pose it? If I ask it to generate images that use terms that would only be understood by those who work in my opaque-to-outsiders closed species groups, then it has dA-specific training. 
In order to run tests, I used Hugging Face’s official Stable Diffusion test space as a control. Any differences in Stable Diffusion’s output vs. DreamUp’s output would be down to DeviantArt’s additional training. Please also note that these tests were run on the 12th, before any username bans went through.
Here are my results:
(Please note that an “import” is a certified character for use in an ARPG. Ketucari is an arpg I help run.)
“ketucari import by matriarchs haunt”
STABLE DIFFUSION:
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A lot of textures, rope, and horses. (Horses might be a factor of the dA data already in the dataset, horse arpgs are extraordinarily popular and I believe outnumber closed species arpgs like ketucari).
Dreamup results:
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These pictures are recognizably in the style of ARPG imports, to the point where I swear I’ve seen similar ones. The beasts on them are twisted horses, likely due to the sheer amount of horse ARPG imports in the training data. 
Additionally, with the names of multiple popular horse groups, a fellow ARPGer was able to generate an even more convincing import. (I’m sorry I don’t know your username, though your name is so familiar!)
For comparison: a ketucari import of a character I own, another import of a popular arpg with a character I own -- please note the basic format of a character with color-your-own lines posed on a background. 
A second test:
Stygians ARPG is a different flavor of ARPG I don’t help run, but I generally hang out in. This is the reference art for the Stygian species. Their name is a common word that can be easily confused for other things, but they’re a large group. Stygs do not follow the above ARPG format but have free-drawn adoptables, so they won’t have quite the same GLUT in the training data that imports do. 
“legendary stygian by zoomutt” (Zoo is a sweetheart and the species owner, and legendaries are a specific lore subclass)
Stable Diffusion:
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Predicatably, it has no fucking clue what I’m on about.
Dreamup:
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This is the most damning, and convincing example yet-- these are recognizably deer-shaped creatures. The left has a four-critter lineup like an adoptable sale, and the middle has a frame and a label, though notably in a different style than Zoo usually uses for her sales. One person in the Stygs discord did point out there’s an MLP character named Stygian who might be contaminating the results, which I do want to make note of (I stopped watching the show a while back). I do also want to note that none of these creatures are at all MLP-styled. 
So, how is dA generating recognizable closed species and ARPG imports?
Because they fed it additional, tagged data from dA. It knows people’s styles and IPs. That’s why you have to block your username to begin with.
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haleviyah · 1 month
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Here we FUCKING go again!
DeviantART back at it again supporting AI over artists despite the recent court favouring AI losing copy-right.
I don't give a shit if you support Israel or not, if you start acting like a jackass I'll treat you as such! Pick a lane and stick to it dA, G-ddammit!
(p.s. Yes I left the "team" a message giving them a piece of my mind and stating the legality of this nonsense given AI cannot be copyrighted, and how this could be crypto-farmers rather than real artists.
NO - they have not responded directly. Alas, I have the people behind me. So... that counts.)
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The wisest trees in the world
Made with stable diffusion in https://dreamup.ai
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nomadicism · 1 year
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“We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion, a 21st-cen­tury col­lage tool that vio­lates the rights of artists. Because AI needs to be fair & eth­i­cal for every­one.”
Spread the word.
Click-thru to read, and for contact information for the legal team.
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moramaisis · 1 year
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Okay, there have been some new developments in recent days. So, deviantart lauched it's own Ai. The backlash from the community was so big that they added a switch to user profiles, which tells Ais to not use people's art in their datasets. It's automatically turned on for everyone. Then they launched a noai directive, it's a html tag that lets third parties know that the artist wants their work to be left out of Ai datasets. And they also provided a opt out form, which everyone can submit manually.
The problem was, that they toggled the switch to be off at first, also people had to tick every submitted artwork to "not for Ai use" by hand. Basically, they had 10+ hours of time to train their Ai on all submitted art. Then the backlash happened and they made the changes. I was not online when this happened, so i was super confused at first. Sneaky and backstabby, if you ask me. Although, has twitter or instagram done anything about the Ais using images on their platform? Also no.
Someone commented the screenshot above. I tried my best to research that quote, but wasn't able to find it. If it's true, then i don't know what to say. It looks like the disregard towards art has come full circle. Honestly, such a backwards point of view. I guess, it's not that surprising since Ais are companies that make money off us.
This is all the more ironic, since Dance Diffusion, a Stable Diffusion music version, will not use copyrighted music to train their Ai. Clearly, there are opinions that some artists are valued more. Cough music artists who have money to sue cough. So, companies are giving artists the middle finger, yet again, since they have no money for legal action? Hmm...
This feels less like progress of technology and more like a hateful attack. People creating Ais just seem to despise art at worst and see zero value at best. It's not like artists have contributed to culture in the forms of games, movies, fashion, architecture; design of cars, phones, websites, devices, wallpapers, etc. I'm not against the growth of technology, but shouldn't it serve people, not take from them? I know it's a joke (at this point) that robots will take our jobs, and whatever, but it's not going to be funny when people start becoming unemployed. And families begin losing their income.
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drunkoncyberpunk · 7 months
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AI imagery made with Deviantart's program DreamUp.
The first one really has a wonky head shape.
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a-bluedream-posts · 11 months
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Alexa Bliss 5 by auctionpickker
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sundewsart · 1 year
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More antAI art. I’ll say it again, once an AI is trained it doesn’t need its training dataset anymore. Our art was stolen and there’s no way to get it back. There is however a way we can make stunts like this more difficult for anyone in the future.
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The solution is not to be silent, it’s to be loud. Make garbage art and corrupt the input data with everything you’ve got!
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audiokitty · 1 year
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Cactus fashion 🌵
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niqhtlord01 · 1 year
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Humans are weird: Do not want
Alien: What the hell is that?
Human: The ungodly merging of a porcupine and a human being.
Alien: I’m not going anywhere near that thing!
Human: Well that is going to be a problem.
Alien: WHY?!
Human: Because it’s between us and the shuttle.
Alien: Then we’re trapped with that thing?!
Human: No…
Human: *Cracks knuckles*
Human: That thing is trapped here with us.
Alien: How are you so calm about this situation?
Human: Because that thing made one fatal mistake when it came here.
Alien: Which was?
Human: Getting between me and the weekend.
Human: PUT UP YOUR F$#*ING DUKES YOU ROTTEN RAMBUTAN!!!
Monster: *Loud growling*
Human: *Even louder growling as they rush forward and start throwing hands*
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clearing up some things about the deviantart situation
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in layman's terms, they are NOT using art uploaded to the website for THEIR on-site AI, DreamUp... by default.
HOWEVER!!
Your art can still seemingly get put through their AI, but I will get to that in a moment. This "opt-out for having your art used for AI training" thing is for third party AI's, generators hosted on other websites. Some of these models were trained off of random online art, including images posted to dA. The trouble comes in two parts:
The ability to opt-out of having your art available for 3P AI generation is opt-out, not opt-in. The ability to mass-disable this for all your deviations is not available yet, but "coming soon" - so if you want to disable it, you have to go through your hundreds, perhaps thousands of deviations manually. One by one. Art submitted to the website will not be fed into DreamUp unless...
Users can still tell deviantart's AI to generate images in the style of another artist. THIS is what the google form you have to fill out and have reviewed by a real person is for, they claim they will not use images submitted to the website as reference for their AI, but then how will the AI know how to generate images in those styles? You can submit your deviantart username and links to your other social medias in the form, so presumably they have a big loophole - they'll still let their AI look at art from your other social medias, and perhaps even your deviantart, if it's asked to. Sure it wont use your art unprompted, but it Will use your art if somebody puts your dA username (or Any of your usernames) in the generator and you haven't sent deviantart a form asking it Not to do that. Which is scummy.
There are a lot of deceased artists on the website who cannot opt out of either, because they are dead. So that's fun.
I've seen some slight misinformation but people are still coming to the right conclusions, this is a Horrible, Horrible update so please do whatever you think is right in regards to your accounts.
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currantlee · 8 months
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K, lemme make this clear.
I have no issue with people using AI generators in order to just mess around, have fun, and create something for themselves to enjoy. I also have no issue with people using AI as an inspirational tool whatsoever.
However, what I do have a problem with is when people label the generated content art (which it isn't. It's content, sure, but content created from an algorithmic processing of data rather than actual creativity of a living being), try to make money off of it, get mad at people reposting "their" AI generated image (going as far as attempting DMCA takedowns, which legally doesn't make sense since AI generated content cannot be copyrighted due to not being created by a human being), stealing / using artwork without consent in order to "train" an AI (I prefer the terminology "to feed it with data"), and probably worst of all, shit on people who actually put in the time and effort to draw an image (especially if said artists use protection mechanisms like Glaze in order to protect their artwork from being appropriated by AI).
There is so much work that goes into a single piece of artwork, and yes, programming is also work - however, most of these AI Bros seemingly do not program. How do I know that? Well, it's because a lot of them do not seem to understand how the technology they're promoting let alone basic programming works. Probably the best comment to illustrate this that I've read was "we don't need human artists anymore, we have enough AI generated content to train the AIs on" (paraphrased). Which is laughable, because if you actually did that, you'd create a feedback loop that over time results in AIs only ever being able to create a single image (if taken to the extreme).
Seriously, the entire "programming is just as hard as being creative, these artists are SO elitist and gatekeepers" makes me go 🙄 All these people do is stealing human-made content to feed an AI of their choice with it, come up with a prompt (easy, do you know how many ideas I have in a single day??? Too many to let all of them come to life!) and wait for a preprogrammed algorithm to render an image or create a text.
Again, this is nothing against people who just use AI to mess around, experiment, have fun, get inspired, quickly create some wholesome pics to look at, and so on - especially if those people (when they decide to post the AI generated content) disclose this properly. Like with everything, there are legitimate uses to AI that should not be hated on just for playing with AI. Yes, most existing generative AIs were trained unethically, however, the unethical training has already happened. I think what's more important than to hate on people who are really just trying to have fun while not hurting anyone is to prevent it from happening again in the present and future, and to separate them from the AI bros who clearly have way too large egos.
Thanks for reading my unpopular opinion on AI generated content.
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