#Dreamself Dave

[axlestuck]

Dave dreamselves!

#my sprites #free to use / credit me #homestuck #ministrife #ministrife edit #alt outfit #dreamself recolors #dave strider #q

[weirdmageddon]

yesterday i wrote a scene where jade wasnt a plot device and was left the hell alone in A6A5 because this being dave and jade’s last proper conversation in years made me sad and i wanted to see them reunite properly. i mixed a bit of narration in too even though it was rare around this point in the comic but its just to paint a better picture. also i wouldnt mind feedback on character voice (it’s important to me that the dialogue sounds believable)

[3 years are over, everyone is in the new session. The prospit ship is on LOMAX, as is everyone who arrived on the meteor, safely warped by Jade onto LOMAX as well. Jade has banished B2 Jack to the Furthest Ring already. She hasn't seen her friends in 3 years, not to mention she never met the trolls in person yet.]

[Jade teleports to LOMAX where John was talking with the meteor crew. Her eyes widen when she sees the trolls, giving everyone a greeting. Jade waves to the trolls.]

You’ll have time to catch up with them later. First you want to reconvene with Rose and Dave.

> ==>

Dave... Oh my god! DAVE!!! That’s right! The last time you saw him, he died in your arms after Jack redirected the bullets from your gun into his body!

JADE: dave!!!! DAVE: hey DAVE: this has been three years coming hasnt it DAVE: cmere

> ==>

[Dave hugs Jade with a slight grin on face. He notices her… sniffing him?? but doesn’t even bother to question it.]

JADE: it is so nice to hold your body when its not a corpse :) DAVE: ok DAVE: weird thing to say DAVE: actually who am i kidding who gives a shit DAVE: i almost forgot how much i missed the enigmatic riddlefuckery that is your phrasing DAVE: fortunately i have context for this so i know what youre saying DAVE: humor me for a sec and imagine that i didnt DAVE: but first DAVE: are those dog ears JADE: yes! i am part dog now JADE: because i prototyped my dreamself with becsprite JADE: jadesprite became part of me! and so did her doggy traits from bec DAVE: got it DAVE: oh yeah john mentioned that on the back of his dumb poster inside that bucket that appeared out of thin air DAVE: right before we had to haul ass out of there before jack caught up to us DAVE: karkat had a complete fucking meltdown over that btw i wish you couldve seen it DAVE: damn it feels like so long ago now JADE: heheheh i remember JADE: john realized it at the last second but it was too late! DAVE: of course it was johns idea only he could do something that gooberish DAVE: you know what this means though JADE: yup!! woof woof DAVE: it means youve done it harley DAVE: youve finally done it god damn it DAVE: the evolution of humankind is finally upon us DAVE: the scientists said it would never happen in our lifetime DAVE: but look what we have here DAVE: before me stands mans first legitimate furry subspecies DAVE: homo canis DAVE: as the name implies theyre gay as fuck btw DAVE: its too bad all those scientists are dead and cant witness this phylogenetic breakthrough DAVE: rip to the science community yall wouldve lost your collective shit DAVE: hey jade lets pour one out for the science community for being real ones

> ==>

You are still nestled into Dave’s shoulder. He’s taken a sort of protective position over you. Your perceptive barkbeast ears can hear his formerly bullet-riddled heart beating a mile a minute with the regularity of quartz beneath his time-branded pajamas, all the while he continues to ramble to you about certifiably dumb shit. You can tell Dave is psyched to see you again, even if he expresses it in his OWN bizarre way, which means extended metaphors and topical tangents. What a hypocrite, calling YOUR phrasing perplexing! You sure missed this guy.

You realize you started tuning him out while thinking about all this.

DAVE: jade JADE: umm homo is the species name JADE: so wouldnt that mean were all gay? :p DAVE: yeah that sounds about right DAVE: anyway enough of this bullshit

> ==>

[Dave motions to retract his arms since he doesn’t want it to get too weird, but Jade squeezes tighter. Dave immediately yields to the movement]

DAVE: jesus wow ok DAVE: really happy to see you too DAVE: like if you had a tail it would be wagging so forcefully youd be knocking over all the fucking furnishings in the room DAVE: just slapping it so hard on the owners thigh that it feels like theyre being flogged DAVE: talk about getting bitch slapped JADE: :D DAVE: so howve you been JADE: really really excited to see you guys all again!!! JADE: and to meet the trolls! DAVE: yeah theyre pretty weird DAVE: and im still not used to it DAVE: but it gets more manageable the longer youre around them DAVE: by the way JADE: ?

> ==>

DAVE: sorry you had to go through that JADE: through what? DAVE: seeing me die and stuff again DAVE: except that time right in front of you JADE: .... DAVE: when we were gathering up all those frogs i knew jack was going to appear DAVE: i was waiting and waiting to play it out DAVE: mentally rehearsing my fucking torso getting turned into swiss cheese and knowing you would have to watch on top of it DAVE: i had to make sure it happened to protect the integrity of the alpha timeline DAVE: but if you knew this was going to happen you wouldve tried to prevent it and created a doomed one DAVE: and so i didnt say anything DAVE: i couldnt DAVE: so DAVE: sorry for putting you through that JADE: oh..... JADE: dave D: JADE: well im here JADE: if you ever want to talk about it DAVE: its cool DAVE: you just deserve to know what happened there DAVE: but thanks DAVE: so am i JADE: yeah i know JADE: i guess i should be glad you did that then... JADE: even though i was freaking out when it happened ._. JADE: otherwise you wouldnt be here will us now dressed in your red god tier time pajamas DAVE: yeah these magical rags really are comfortable arent they DAVE: and they stay like perma clean JADE: they are! i would wear mine over and over for days on end JADE: id take a nice shower and put it right back on JADE: and you know how much i love cycling my outfits through my wardrobifier JADE: by the way dave your cape is sooo cool! :o DAVE: thanks DAVE: yeah i love it its hella soft DAVE: its like ive got a portable snuggle blanket with me in case i ever need to drop to the floor like a tired sack of shit and get my snooze on DAVE: ive got a permanent personal reservation at club bed featuring dj pillow and mc blanky JADE: heheheh JADE: can i touch your cape? DAVE: of course go nuts JADE: yaaaay!!

#hs #homestuck #davejade #dave strider #jade harley #my hs dialogues

[elkian]

Oh yeah since it’s Homestuck Day here’s a post I’ve been sitting on for a bit.

Davesprite’s tragedy is even deeper than is immediately obvious.

The scale, time-wise, of the base game - the Alpha Timeline - is something of a joke. It pokes fun, I think, at the concept of Webcomic Time - that an event taking place over dozens of pages over the course of months is, in-canon, only taking place across a day or two.

But Davesprite. Oh, Davesprite.

Dave-the-sprite came from a timeline 4 months (chrono) past Day 1. He’d been hopping enough for it to come out to maybe 1 year for him. He’s very lanky in the animation, and when Rose’s dreamself merges with her Alpha self, the sprites are very slightly different sizes. Future Mutie is visibly older.

But then The Alpha Timeline? The Course Of The Game?

One. Day.

What an absolute whiplash, you guys. He’s been grinding and prepping and mentally readying himself and fucking grieving for his pretty much only friends for nearly a year. Remember how Dragon Ball Z had the Hyper time chamber and it was mentioned that it’s hard to use alone? Because being in there on your lonesome, that’s tough. That’s Dave. He had Rose, who was also grieving and having her own crises that he may or may not have been equipped to help her through at all, and he’s doing all this.

And in like, maybe 12 hours, it’s suddenly all over.

And then he finds out it’s gonna be another three years, but hey, this time he has Jade and John, the people he missed so desperately that he was willing to give up being The Real Dave, a real human, for.

And to them? He’s an extra.

He’s Bonus Dave. He’s Davesprite. He’s Basically Dave, (almost) As Good As The Real Thing!

Like, it’s very hard for me to articulate, but the way that both of them refer to him during the course of their cruise is... dehumanizing, in differing ways.

John calls him Dave, because He’s Basically Dave. (This is after John asked him to let The Real Dave in on their convo, recall). He doesn’t need to be treated any different, because he’s indistinguishable from The Real Dave, Pretty Much!

Jade isn’t as bad - possibly her stint as+fusion with Jadesprite helped - but the way Grimbark Jade loses her temper with Dave post-jump is... telling. She blames a boy she hasn’t spoken with in 3 years for something that a person who is not actually him did.

And he just! Fucking gets forgotten! I know Davepeta feels like an asspull to many readers, but honestly, it’s probably the best thing to happen to Davesprite since his John bit it. Like, was he the one from John’s timeline, or did he not die when the rebooted planet blew up or what? I’ve never understood that.

At least as Davepeta they have multiple people who are genuinely glad to be around them. At least Equius cares about one half and AR doesn’t not-care about the other and they’ve basically got a bestie in Arquiusprite! Getting fused with a reanimated alien catgirl in an alternate timeline(????) was probably the best thing to happen to Dave for a long, long time.

And I’m not even done!

Let’s talk Terezi.

Once we get through Act 5 and the trolls connect with the humans, we get a whole Fairy Godtroll situation that’s kinda cute. John gets Karkat and Vriska in his ear, Jade gets Tavros and Feferi and Kanaya and Karkat (Jade gets a lot of new people, doesn’t she?), Rose still has her Kanaya convos.

And Dave.

Gets.

Terezi.

They’re a great duo, very fun to watch - even with Vriska and Terezi’s weird rivalry shenanigans getting tangled up in it from time to time. As far as he knows, she’s just a bit of an internet weirdo who’s fun enough to hang out with.

As far as Alpha Dave knows, that is.

Davesprite came back, remember, to fix the timeline after Terezi got his John killed. Dave comes back, and argues with his John - that’s the first thing he gets to say to his best friend, one of his only friends, after a year of grieving in a dead, lonely session with only Rose for company. If he loses the fight, John dies.

After some effort, he gets his dumbass (beloved) pal to stop doing the stupid thing, then gives up his humanity (his existence as a core player, his role, his autonomy) and jumps into the sprite. Calsprite was a void of dead-eyed laughter and horror, so he wants to give the kids the best shot they can get, and having a non-cagey sprite on their side is a huge boost.

And Dave, Alpha Dave?

He ignores this.

He takes Terezi’s advice, over and over. Davesprite gives him the medallion, and we never see it used (we never see any sprite medallion used, as far as I can recall). Davesprite has to actively contact his player (his luckier, prime, Alpha self) and make him accept help, like guarding his body in his sleep. Meanwhile, Alpha Dave is getting codec support from the person who killed John, precipitating Davesprite’s entire existence in the narrative.

With the way the comic is structured, it’s really easy to blip over this, but this is what’s happening. Davesprite’s POV must be a goddamn horror movie, complete with futile shouting at the protagonists to stop going into the scary tunnels and following the advice of people who are blatantly out to hurt them. No fucking wonder he eventually fucked off the find Bro, who despite being an abusive piece of shit (did Davesprite ever get the chance to work that one out for himself?), is at least a constant. He’s the sole tie to the life this Dave left behind. Damn. And Dave doesn’t even come looking for him after he “dies”! If Davesprite didn’t vandalize that poster, would Alpha Dave have even known he was alive?

....fuck, is that why he keeps pasting orange text onto things? And provoking John into anger? Is he just doing his damnedest to keep from being trivialized and forgotten?

In the story, in the grand scheme of things, Davesprite is key to keep John from getting killed, and past that?

He has no purpose.

There’s no point to his existence.

His player seeks neither his advice nor his protection. His friends consider him part of the game they’re playing, rather than (an iteration of) their friend. The trolls mock him by doing nothing he can stop or really argue against. His rage has nowhere to go, so he has no rage.

No wonder he chases after Bro. No wonder he chills with Jadesprite. No wonder, no wonder. What a mess. What a disaster. He spends three years on the damn ship and as soon as the groups meet up, Jade begins projecting the time he spent with her on a guy she hasn’t seen since she was 13! And Alpha Dave just says “well, he’s bird me” and accepts this, except when he might get blamed for something he didn’t actually do!

God.

#April 13th 2023 #elk text #davesprite #meta #homestuck #13th #April #2023

[charmikarma]

hallo it's me. (crookedgrifter) I'm back and I want your davejade / davejadekat thoughts. gimme

my thoughts huh ... i sure am a rambler so you're gonna get a whole essay on this

i guess in thinking abt davejadekat it always starts with jade. which is well enough because davekat has been talked to death at this point, hasn't it? i don't think i could tell you anything new or interesting about that dynamic at this point.

ANYWAY. jade. i kind of get into this in my polar express fic which ik you've read, but she is SO lonely. what the fuck are you supposed to do for ~10 years alone on an island with just a dog?? a dog who could take you somewhere else, somewhere with people, but he won't. and maybe jade knows why because of her dreams on prospit, but also maybe not! either way i think she puts a lot of faith in her dreams. it's kind of the only hope she has for the future.

i think she also has some hope in dave, this really cool dude she has this awkward internet middle school crush on. and dave is super cool to her too! i think it's implied he furry roleplays with her even?? cutest shit ever. i think this is the thing that has made me always love davejade ... they are just. so sweet to each other. dave clearly cares SO much about her.

the other thing about jade is... she's kinda fucked over repeatedly by the narrative, isn't she? she's the last beta kid introduced, so she has a lot less time to develop. the closest she really gets to developing is being really pissed off at karkat after her dreamself dies (i'll talk about this in a sec). her arc basically ends at cascade. her character arc ends in the dead middle of the comic, in a flash animation that contains exactly 0 character development. hussie says so himself in the author's notes. (don't even get me started on the author's notes jesus christ.) everything that happens on the boat is pretty much irrelevant, because it gets retconned out. instead she spends 3 years completely fucking alone, and we like... barely unpack this in canon.

so her life story up until this point is basically: raised by grandpa till ~3-5ish > living on her own till 13 > meeting dave briefly in the game > DAVE FUCKING DIES IN FRONT OF HER, WITH HER OWN BULLETS > she meets john briefly > JOHN AND DAVESPRITE FUCKING DIE > she spends 3 years alone with no solace except "yeah they had to die but you'll see them again in the new session" from alt!calliope and i guess a bunch of sprites and consorts and chess dudes. she says it herself: as nice as it is to have these folks around, they're not able to relate to her. they're not fellow thirteen year old kids. she may not be technically alone, but she is essentially alone, and she just 1. died twice in one day and 2. witnessed the deaths of several of her friends.

more on being fucked over by the narrative - jade actually has a kind of interesting dynamic with karkat in the middle of a5a2! what happens with this dynamic later on? fucking nothing!!!! like seriously i am so interested in this whole. self-hatred parallel that gets drawn between them and then how jade puts her foot down and is like you are fucking nuts. no more yelling at yourself. and it goes nowhere!! this dynamic exists for like, maybe 1% of the comic. it's really fucking sad honestly. even at the very end of homestuck, she has to be sidelined for being too powerful, thereby excluding her from all the endgame convos. like we cannot win with her

ok anyway, here's where i get into the stuff i think is really interesting. at the end of homestuck, alt!calliope tells jade that she's suffered enough, and that it's time for her to live her life how she wants to. we don't see how this plays out in homestuck proper, BUT...... the epilogues. sighs heavily.

i may be an epilogues lover but even i have to admit that jade's portrayal is.... a mess. i don't think it's wildly out of character, exactly, but it definitely toes the line... and it's definitely extremely fucking uncomfortable. it does, however, give me some insight into how i think about jade now, because while the minutiae don't really feel in character, i do think the broad strokes of what they were going for make sense.

jade took alt!calliope's words and said, fuck it. i will take charge! i won't wait anymore! i am going to have what i want. and she does get a lot of that! she gets to hang out with her friends, hang out with her brother, meet a ton of people, have a bunch of sex (presumably when she's older), and so on. but see... doing a lot of things doesn't really fill the emptiness she feels. she has so much love to give and not enough outlet for it. she needs all the love in the world and has nobody to give it to her. and she still has this big fat ten-year-old crush on dave strider that never went anywhere. but the approach she takes to life now is just... so incompatible with what dave needs. same for karkat. they both need a LOT of patience to come out of their shells, and jade is living life in the fast lane. the more she pushes, the more withdrawn they become. it is a disaster.

i want to fix it so fucking bad.

jade needs a lot of character development for all this to work, but the dynamic is absolutely there. some of their convos in early meat are so fucking funny dude, they are such good friends. it is absolutely not for lack of caring on either dave or karkat's part that things don't work out in the epilogues. it's this disconnect between what jade thinks is helpful and what dave and karkat need. i really want jade to find the balance between living at breakneck speed and waiting ten years for something to happen. i want her to feel loved for once in her damn life. and i want dave and karkat to stop being such depressing shut-ins. please guys you could balance each other out if you would just figure out how to communicate

anyway. there's your essay. it's mostly about jade. hope that's ok. i love jade harley so much my ultimate goal is to see her happy and mark my words i will figure out how

#homestuck #homestuck meta #jade harley #davejade #davejadekat #I GUESS?? #this is basically me rambling about jade for 3 hours let's be real here #ask #mine #jadepost

[tehstripe]

[S] Descend still goes HARD AS HELL

two thoughts mostly:

bro slicing a meteor in half to give dave those last few seconds to enter the game. its interesting that i think this makes dave the only kid to enter the game who needed his guardian to step in to make sure he made it. (other than MAYBE jade but i havent gotten to her entrance yet and wont for a while - i think bec helps but not quite to the same extent?) anyways its clear that dave isnt proud of it based on his conversation with terezi right before:

the destruction of prospit hits so hard every time i rewatch this. prospit was like jade's only escape from her lonely island, and she was waiting for john to wake up the WHOLE TIME and she never gets to see it happen. she gets to watch her own dreamland where shes a beloved princess in a beautiful golden tower get absolutely destroyed and sees a bunch of her little carapacian friends massacred and then she sacrifices herself to save john and the dreamself that dies and becomes jadesprite doesnt even know that she was successful!!! you just know when she was a little kid she must have daydreamed about the boy in the other tower waking up so that she could have a real human friend to play with and it just. never happens. )))):

#homestuck #dave strider #jade harley #stripe hs reread 2024

[badshipshitblog]

strilondecest fic reclist :p

expressions of trust by cmdonovann (dirkdave, t, 4k) essential to my dirk characterization tbh. classic earth c roommates fic

stasis state by caeslin (dirkdave, t, 3k) postcanon dirk & dave stewing. great atmosphere

lockdown by strititty (dirkdave, m, 6k [wip]) post-pesterquest hangouts. very cute teen dirk & i love how depressed dave is lol. actually got me to watch dirk's PQ route!

handpuppets by 2x2verse (brodave, e, 2k) fisting. "handpuppets." need i say more?

constructive possession by propaganda (brodave, e, 10k) humanstuck au w insanely good ambiance & bro pov. bro & dave are haunted by grief for their third brother

spend half your life just covering up by hapaxlegomena (brodave, e, 10k) postgame, bro apologizes. really gets at how an abusive guardian will shape your whole concept of love/sex

find me at sea (and tell me why you never loved me) by blackestofmarkets (dirkdave, m, 23k) postcanon, dave finds dirk in europe. rlly good at evoking mood

hey dave do you ever think about laying my neck down in one of those deli counter meat slicers and going to town on it like a salami by problemsloth (dirkdave, e, 7k) i love corpsefucking. i also love banter

a slow boiling pot by ghostlyanarchist (alphacest, e, 5k) dave keeps passing out in dirk's bed. i love a pathetic alpha dave <3

temptations by forkidcest (alphacest, e, 6k) a demon possesses dave & lets on how he feels about his little bro

phase change by timeaxis (dirkdave, m, 15k) of the post-epilogues dave & rose upending narrative control genre

everything in its right place by laurasauras (dirkrosemary, e, 11k) rose & kanaya keep ult dirk in line. i am salivating

it could happen to you by innsmouth (roseroxy, m, 3k) family is a monster in the woods. great roxy pov

never good by 2x2verse (roseroxy, e, 7k) munchhausen by proxy recovery sex. makes me insane

everything you need by bumbly (dersepile, t, 20k) postcanon, rose building her polycule

a red space after victory by psythe (daverose, 6k) post-hs2, dave & rose talk it out. gah

sun doesn't rise in space by m0sc4 (daverosekan, t, 9k) stranded in a spaceship with corpses & an alien

didn't even close our eyes by signalbeam (daveroseroxy, e, 3k) roxy's dreamself appears on the meteor. great rose pov

it led us here by laurasauras (alpha daverose, e, 18k) hot old parents daverose!! very adorable strider family!! smart house hal!!!

light you up light you down by lionpyh (alpha daverose, g, 5k) the definitive alpha daverose fic. my fave of all time

#i stuck to at most 2 fics per author but read all of everyone's stuff #sorry i can't add a readmore on my phone #also sorry for the strider bias #txt

[iknaenmal]

hi jade harley fan can you explain why you love jade so much im curious

Oh boy I'm about to ramble SO HARD

So first of all, her design

^well that's a solid design right there imo

Her shirt with the cute little changing icons before and her doggy ears and skirt and the little shiny bright Wizard of Oz Dorothy shoes.. her design is quite simple but it's great!

So that's it for the design now let's go on with the character per se

So! You know that she woke up on prospit when she was very young, right, so she was used to seeing the future in her dreams, and Dave and Rose were convinced that she was a seer or a witch of some sort, that she could see the future. Turns out she WAS a witch, but that's a different topic

But later, when her dream self died, she couldn't see the future in the clouds so she didn't know what she had to do to avoid a doomed timeline, so she just did whatever felt right, which was for example prototyping her dead dreamself with becsprite, which didn't turn out great at first but later gave her doggy ears and first guardian powers which if I recall correctly were important later!

Shes also SO COOL like, look at this and tell me she's not cool. I dare you

The thing she had to do to enter Sburb was also wild! They covered her eyes and gave her a piñata, so she made what was logical, which is hitting the piñata. But then it EXPLODED and threw her off the window, so she decided to shoot as a last resort. Luckily the bullet would've hit the piñata wherever she shot, because Bec was there to redirect it and she didn't get hurt because bec cushioned the fall by teleporting her to the bed iirc

It's also really sweet how there's isn't a single character who dislikes her

Like, John and Jade are brother and sister, but are also great friends. She didnt talk to rose much, which is a ROBBERY, but you can clearly see theyre good friends and care about each other so much augh <3 and then theres dave who I like to think is her moirail, like a childhood crush to moirail or something, thats how I see it at least.

Then for the trolls.. Aradia and she get along pretty well! To the point that Aradias most iconic line was kind of reused later by jade which is really cute :] there's also Nepeta, who said Jade was her favorite human, and Kanaya who helped Jade with the frog breeding! She didn't really talk to every single troll, no one did, but if she did I think she would get along with everyone, she's just so lovable <3

And this doesn't even START to cover all the good things she has! There nothing in her not to love <3

So, in conclusion

#homestuck #jade harley #anon #ikna answers #i hope this answers your question well enough hehe

[reddeliciousauce]

by the way, this is something i've recently decided to make more clear: this dave is a DID system! he just. doesn't know it yet. ^_^ yay!

note i am still reading up on the disorder for personal reasons, so corrections are appreciated. list is subject to change at any given moment! these alters may not always act a way that your muses will like, as they are fairly distinct from dave.

dave (he/him/the bit) is the host, basically the detached and irony-lovin' guy we all know. as for his alters, they all mask as dave as a defense mechanism, so there's always a bit of mystery as to who's fronting with dave at any given moment. we have:

big bro—(he/it) essentially a brain ghost dirk. sometimes called sweet bro. i know man. stores his paranoia. only fronts for maintenance on hal and the security cams; knows where said cams are in the first place. all hardware knowhow is stored in the bb. is not talkative, just like dirk! doesn't like to overstay his welcome due to proximity to hal, who he also doesn't like.

sprite—(any) based on davesprite. sometimes referred to as fanta for obvious reasons. cofronts with dave the most, and is more aware of the chronic pain a lifetime of injury sustained. holds the most residual loyalty and love for bro and what he stood for. goes through the actual embalming process for his dead things hobby, and mainly tunes dave out to maintain the body.

sebby—(it) like hal! littler? hal? davebot too. holds all of dave's combat reflexes. focus entirely on winning, and has a greater reaction time for the actual hal's direction. notably meaner than dave. was only made to front when fighting or otherwise being antagonized by bro. hasn't come out in a very long while since bro died.

derek—(he/him) based on bro. short for broderek. persecutor. started out as a protective standin for bro when dave would want him around, but as training ramped up, derek held basically all the same beliefs: that it was daves own fault for letting the body get hurt, that he should be grateful for his dogshit environment, and he should rely on no one and cut everyone off who could possibly pose a threat. often tries to influence fronting alters, particularly dave, to shut out the world and practice his sword technique.

maple—(she/it) based on maplehoof. never fronts. just neighs. and i think that's neat 😀

coinflip—(he/him) based on coinflip dave (the one on the GT slab who alpha dave wouldn't kill). blame this fucker for being into game economics so much. is the one breaking pay to win servers with roxy. likes looking at tech news, stocks, et cetera. holds trauma.

hash—(he/him) based on hash modus and journal dave (from botched attempt to steal rose's meow journal back from draconian dignitary). nonverbal. this is a guy who is ALL about bars. always trying to make shit into a rap. holds trauma.

crow—(it/its) based off rambunctious crow. another animal alter, split from sprite. sorts trinket collection. will zero in on interesting rocks or litter to collect at any given moment. likes haircare. caws. a lot.

knight—(no pronouns) based off his dreamself. holds all information on his dreams. is in fact the one from whose pov dreams usually play out. sometimes divulges this information with other alters.

akwete—(they/them) relatively new. based on his hyperfixation on making a fursona and also the semi-ironic furry rp he did with both jade and nepeta. yeah. very social, very shenanigans-oriented, not the type to feel embarrassment.

#ooc #about #i truly believe in did strider realness and d.ave is no different #i need this noted down so when i make a bio page (LATER!!!) ill have this to add

[classpect-crew]

If you could choose any player to add to the canon beta kids’ session that would have helped them out massively, what would their classpect be and why? What about the alpha kids’ session?

This is a really interesting question! It's difficult for me to really say, with regards to the Beta kids' session, since their session did run about as smoothly as one could imagine, aside from the outside forces that made things go so utterly awry. Dave kept things fairly tight with the timelines, especially as he began to quickly correct his own missteps, though his biggest weakness was his constant fight to establish a true, authentic identity. John's ascent to true Hero status was complimented by his love for his friends, and he greatly impacted the trajectory of their lives even as he was "doing his own thing." His biggest challenges, from what I recall, came whenever his freedom was severely restricted, though the best example of this was his time spent on the three-year universe-spanning trip. Rose had some very unique struggles with her Classpect, but ultimately came out of it with an incredible breadth of knowledge and experience—not to mention a true appreciation for Void, Light's opposite. Jade also faced her own demons—including her prototyped dreamself, which forced her to come face-to-face with the things she hated most about herself.

In truth, a Hero of Heart would've likely helped things go a little smoother in the "identity and self-reflection" department, but this would not be without its own risks. This session was made up of three Passive players (Heir, Seer, and Knight) and one Active (Witch), though Rose attempted to shift that balance during much of her time pre-Scratch as she inverted to the Witch of Void. Given the time it took for Jade to grow into her power, it makes sense that the balance felt even more misaligned for some time. That said, they may have benefited from a Heart player with an Active Class—one whose journey toward self-actualization would at least inspire others, even if they don't go out of their way to play therapist.

Speaking of Classes, a Prince of Heart is out of the question. Their destruction of Heart would not bode well for a session that desperately needs more, and Dave suffered enough at the hands of Bro, who carries all the qualities of his post-Scratch Classpect, plus the influence of Caliborn/Lord English through Lil Cal. (More on that another time.) A Thief of Heart would also be inadvisable, for fairly obvious reasons. If the team needed another powerhouse, a Witch of Heart wouldn't be a terrible idea, but Witches are known for having powerful familiars (such as Becquerel and Gl'bgolyb) that often overpower the will of their Witch in the early game. The Page, Maid, and Mage could all fit the role well, particularly if they're likeable enough. This wouldn't be a problem for a Page of Heart, who would have an uncanny magnetism that might just pull the team through a little quicker toward self-actualization.

As for the Alpha kids, if we're taking into consideration the fated expansion of the Beta and Alpha sessions into one big eight-player session, then Space and Time players aren't necessary, so we don't have to worry about those. (I do, however, have some fun ideas about what might've happened if Roxy had attempted to create a Genesis Frog using the same principle she did for the Matriorb, by "stealing" its nonexistence, and how she'd be the best candidate to do so, due to her Class and her Aspect's placement in the Wheel. I'd like to keep this from becoming a thesis paper, though.) The Alpha session had the opposite problem of the Beta session: three Active players (Maid, Prince, and Page) and one Passive player (Rogue). Since Maids start out with a more Passive lean, this is where we see the initial illusion of "balance" coming from. By the end, though, it's obvious that we've got too many motherfucking cooks in this motherfucking kitchen, and every single one of them is putting up a front of some kind, as if you could win a prize for being the most emotionally opaque player in a session. What they really, truly need is someone who will inspire them to sit down and be real with each other—someone who can help them cut through the noise, and also make sure Roxy isn't the one saddled with holding the friend group together. Someone like...the Sylph of Blood.

We've seen what the power of a Blood player can look like, even without ascending to God Tier. Karkat was a tour de force as the Knight of Blood, uniquely capable of keeping the members of his session in line long enough to almost win the damn thing. This is even more impressive when you consider that he and his friends were members of a violent species whose society was developed with limitless cruelty baked into every system and institution. Even worse—they were teenagers. While there's certainly no reason why a Knight of Blood couldn't have helped the Alpha kids, Knights are known to put up fronts of their own in order to protect themselves. That's the last thing the Alpha kids need. A Sylph, meanwhile, would be just as skilled at encouraging the kind of raw emotional honesty their session desperately needs, while also being more likely to show their own vulnerable side. Whether they do this by sitting everyone down for mandatory group therapy sessions, or spend much of their session browbeating their teammates to just fucking talk to each other, is up to the individual Sylph. Pick your poison.

#classpect #classpect analysis #homestuck #beta kids #alpha kids #heart #heart aspect #blood #blood aspect #lord almighty it's been like...almost three hours since i started writing this? #i ended up looking at some of the wiki pages for null sessions and glitches. shit like that #i'd love to come back to these posts later and add some helpful links

[sweatertheman]

ok so. im bad at writing but i think jades whole deal is mainly that she wants to hang out with her friends so bad but keeps getting it taken away from her. shes the bearer of the curse or whatever

she’s the witch of space, which has a lot of cool stuff tied to the title like space powers, but also has a lot of bad stuff tied to it, like being alone your entire life. so she lives on an island and waits for the game to start, and her dreamself waits for her brother to wake up.

awake jade does get what she wanted! the game starts, and she gets to hang out with dave, and its going as planned. dream jade doesn’t get that, because she dies before she can hang out with john. but she does get to hang out with people in the dreambubbles! …until she becomes jadesprite.

when dream jade becomes jadesprite, she freaks out because her life just got disrupted, and she’s remembering everything bad that happened to her. regular jade gets pissed off at her because she’s being a crybaby. a note here is that if it wasn’t her crying, i don’t think jade would have gotten so mad. she doesn’t want to be an emotional wreck, so she handles it in the worst way by just trying to forcefully calm herself (jadesprite) down.

After (s) cascade, everything is going good for jade. she still can’t be with half of her friendgroup, but she also has people around! so she does ok for basically the whole 3 years.

what’s this? the end of her trip is here! but oh no, looks like she can’t hang out with her friends because she’s evil! i’d say grimbark jade isn’t entirely manufactured, because i feel like jade has a lot of pent-up anger, but she also would not normally be evil.

on the ship after the retcon, jade is lonelier than ever! all of her friends are gone in some way, and she’s by herself again for 3 whole years. we don’t really get to see grimbark jade in the retcon, but i think she probably had a better reason to go sicko mode.

anyway, she eventually does see her friends again, so it’s all fine!

i think that jade in post-canon would probably be very clingy around her friends. she’d hug them a lot, and always be around someone. i don’t like and haven’t read hs2 or the epilogues, so i couldn’t tell you my take on them.

tl;dr, girl who loves her friends so much is sentenced to 10000 years alone because of her classpect i guess

ohhhh noooooo... i never finished homestuck, but there's a big retcon?????? DOOM.

anyway, i can make this work. thank you so much, im picturing a ralsei-like character now, someone who bottles up their feelings and suffers for the benefit of others. thanks a bunch!

#homestuck

[hydrate-or-diedrate]

Day 13 of reading homestuck hoo boy

Before we read I just want you to know that I added some homestuck songs to my playlist and now pony chorale is haunting me. Every single time I've listened to music while walking between classes, without fail, pony chorale has come on before I reached my destination and I've had to hold back laughter.

WITHOUT

FAIL

Anyway Roxy is getting the TeaTM from Dirk's glasses

Is it am actual love triangle this time or a haha funniee one? Guess I'll find out but hoo boy teenage crush drama, I do not miss it

NOOOOOO FRIGGLISH

FUUUUUUUCK

"Rogue of Void" is certainly new

Hehe spoipage

Again, I am a simple women, put misspellings and funny words in front of me and I'm guaranteed to laugh its not that hard

I SEE TROLL KEYBOARD

Come on these trolls have gotta be our first trolls' paradox ancestors I wanna meet eeemmmmmm

Woag hi Roxy dreamself

I forgot that Cal is back :(

Well hello Squarewave!

bitch

Dave and Dirk truly got some of the worst modii in the story lmaoo

RAP OFF!!!!!!!

Woahhhh bye bye HB

#breadstuck

[weirdmageddon]

What are your thoughts on some people calling Dave a misogynist? Tbh the only point I can agree with is that at one point Dave believed that Jade was a liability and needed protection but I don't think that Dave was sexist.

I don't know if you quit doing Homestuck analyses so I apologize if this bugs you.

i really can’t in good faith hold that against him at that point in the comic. it’s not as simple as “character is misogynist” (unless it actually is like in caliborn’s case lmfao. but still, you ask where that comes from and really it boils down to he just hates his sister calliope and anyone like her. which means girls. but yeah thats still ends up having the same effect as misogyny and his character is a parody of misogynistic guys)

lil cal is misogynistic / macho since it’s got caliborn’s spirit and a bunch of other junk inside of it

lil cal influenced bro and his attitudes of “coolness = machoness = heroism”

dave was influenced by bro

bro died and eventually dave grew into his own person without that influence, throwing off those shackles of needing to quietly be the hardest motherfucker in the room

this is still one of the best shortform video essays on this aspect of dave’s character and really explains it well, drawing comparisons to the brothers in the devil may cry series which i found very helpful even though i never played them. i highly recommend watching

watch this next one too, since i felt like the one above ended too abruptly without a proper wrap up. lots of good stuff in here too

and also he definitely got over that with jade

keep in mind bro JUST died when he called her “probably more a liability if she got it in her head to take him down” like he was talking to terezi and face down on the pavement. so he didnt have those three years to rid himself of that influence yet

and also a thing i never hear people talk about is how he was wrong about ALL his friends here, not just jade, which is more interesting to me. john got mad enough to pass out and beat the shit out of caliborn. rose did an acrobatic fucking pirouette off the deep end and went to fight jack, and after dying to him, her dreamself actually went on the suicide mission to blow up the sun that she had planned (except she didnt expect her waking self to be dead, after that development she assumed this mission was just going to obliterate her forever). jack (bec) noir wouldn’t hurt jade and she ended up becoming the most OP of the four kids that she had to be kept tranquilized for pretty much all of act 6

tldr: dave isn’t a misogynist but is easily influenced by his environment and the people he’s surrounded by in order for himself to feel loved. also in the post-scratch universe, dave is actually a figure of moral integrity to dirk which is a cool way to flip it around to see the other side

#hs #homestuck meta #homestuck #dave strider

[quadrantadvisor]

Thinking about trans guy Dirk and like. How that would happen. Like technically Dirk isn't even prescribed a gender at birth because when he falls out of the fucking sky nobody is even there. He just gets to a certain age and finds the testosterone stores that alpha!Dave left him because alpha!Rose knew he would need them and he's like "hell yeah thanks bro." Socially gender means nothing to him because he has never socialized in his life. Part of the reason he's so cool with decapitating himself is that his dreamself has a dick so being revived as his dreamself is his replacement for gender affirming surgery. He mentions something about this offhandedly to Dave who has another mental breakdown over it. How was Dave supposed to know what top surgery scars look like?????

#homestuck #dave strider #dirk strider #trans headcanon #my rambles #imagine being such a bastard that even though you're trans and gay your bro/son still grows up believing in cishet toxic masculinity

[thelifetimechannel]

God I love that Feferi-as-cause-of-GO idea. Oh, right, I had a question:

Obviously, Jane, Rose, Dave, Dirk, Kanaya, and the Murderstuck victims die in your version. Less obviously, Roxy does. But does Jake? And if so, when? The actual eye replacement, or his soul being removed?

Unfortunately for Jake, the eye gouging did not kill him. Ofc Jane had to use her resurrection ability on his dreamself's body because that was dead, but in between when he was a disembodied soul... I suppose it depends on how you define it. Back during TLC's heyday we had a bunch of character magnets gifted to us by a friend and enjoyed arranging them in various factions on the fridge. Whenever we killed someone off, even temporarily, we banished them to the side of the fridge. Weird edge cases and liminal states got stuck on the microwave, which is where Jake hung out for most of Cherubquest. So I guess our official answer to this metaphysical riddle is "microwave".

#tlc mail #'fridged': killed off to be someone's tragic backstory #'microwaved' (to me): something real fucked up happened to them and idk what their mortality status is anymore

[lesboygamzee]

in depth gender headcanons kids edition yay

june - trans woman but her gender feels very loose and changing like the breeze #THEMEING . realises in her forties , comes out gradually from then . goes on hrt and just expects anyone she doesnt directly tell to Figure It Out . gender realisation was partly affected by vriska i GUESS but mostly jade and kanaya . june is besties with kanaya this is true in my heart . says she used to be a man and calls herself a transsexual

dave/dana - agender trans woman . Girl in a very general way her gender is just kinda there abstractly . realises in their twenties but takes forever to come out and rose is probably the first to know because dave referred to themself as a girl by accident and rose was like Okay. and then everything was normal . definitely presents femininely in a . lazier way if that makes sense ? girlie is rocking the hoodie and long skirt . still wears suits for no reason sometimes . futch trans fagdyke

jade - trans girl that gets some Very Slight Gender Fuckery when godtiering . not in the way that shes more of a boy but now that shes a doggirl that is actually a stable part of her identity . has always known she was a girl and grandpa harley raised her as such because of her dreamself

jane - transmasc butch manlesbian . the lesbian part is IMPORTANT . realises hes a lesbian in his late teens - early adulthood , realises hes transmasc in his thirties . identified as butch and went by he/she awhile before then but eventually realised he was trans and started going exclusively by he/him for a bit . felt like identifying as transhet for awhile but is too attached to the lesbian label and calls himself a man lesbian instead

dirk - trans guy . chose to be a boy as a kid and was relatively normal from then . got really discourse poisoned at 13 but he gets better hes ok . goes on hrt and tries to get top surgery but by this point hes godtiered and his tits keep growing back ( there is a workaround to this by trying to ' re form ' your body ( hard to explain nobody understands my genius ) but he stops caring and is just like ok tits awesome )

jake/lara - transfem . always kind of knew just ignored it . isolates themself from everyone for like a year one day and when they come back theyre a girl and nobody questions it theyre just like cool jake is a girl now . incredibly weird relationship with gender but rocks every dress theyve worn and thats all that matters

#jeggbert #june egbert #dave strider #dana strider #jade harley #jane crocker #dirk strider #jake english #headcanons #let the bard speak

[seldomdrawncherubs]

why not try to separate by sburb? like you and idk some bot of dirk's playing with you as let's say Lime-flavoured then, another bot maybe roxy's after you already in sburb kills you and kiss you and wowie, you are now your dreamselfs

and you wouldn't be in one body bc this is bullcrap(oh and also you could try then to be in session of your "friends")

UU: no one on earth wants to play now; jane sUddenly became very adamant aboUt not playing, since it was made by her treacheroUs grandmother.

UU: trUth be told, when my research showed that we would be stUck on oUr cUrrent bUrned world if we did a two player session instead of getting a planet to rUle, my brother lost all interest.

UU: and none of oUr hUman friends will play. dirk and jane did not want to, and so they will absolUtely not be playing.

UU: i have wanted to play sbUrb my whole life, anon. perhaps my brother woUld finally collaborate with me...

UU: bUt that was naive. instead, the two of Us Use our dream bUbbles and prospit and derse to meet in "person". it is lonely, bUt it is better than what might have come of this.

UU: my brother never ceases to inform me that i am dead in most other timelines.

UU: as for the robots...that is really not how being a cherUb works... dirk is a talented fellow, bUt he's no miracle worker. sharing a body is oUr pUberty; while the goal is to end with one person in charge, i woUld not qUite call it "bUllcrap"

***

uu: AS MuCH AS I LOATHE TO SAY IT. MY STuPID SISTER IS RIGHT. THIS IS NOT. HOW IT WORKS.

uu: AND HAVE YOu CONSIDERED. THAT NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE A ROBOT? I HAVE SEEN THE DAVE AND ROSE HuMANS IN OTHER TIMELINES. THEY SEEM TO HAVE GIVEN YOu A MISTAKEN IMPRESSION.

uu: NOT EVERY PAIR OF TWINS WANTS TO BECOME ROBOTS IN OTHER NON CANON TIMELINES.

uu: BESIDES, WITHOuT THE OTHER SESSIONS IN THIS TIMELINE. MY PLANS TO MERGE WITH MY OTHER uLTIMATE SELF. WILL NOT WORK.

uu: AND I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING SO AS A ROBOT.

uu: I WILL BE A CHERuB OVERLORD IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE. CONQuERING PLANETS.

uu: BESIDES, I DO NOT NEED SBuRB. TO BECOME DEADLY.

uu: AND SHARING A BODY. IS NOT "BuLL CRAP." HuMANS ARE THE WEIRD ONES. FOR HAVING ONE PERSON PER BODY. IT IS INEFFICIENT AND DuMB.

tumut

#seldomdrawncherubs #caliborn #calliope