#Edelgard discourse

[juliakeyoto]

Mfw the church unironically bans the printing press, medical advances, telescopes, and oil to keep it’s power. Of course, in it lists reasons why it could be dangerous for humans, but the church is still canonically oppressing human advancement in the way that the Catholic Church did irl. And people ask why Edelgard has supporters

#edelgard discourse #fe3h #edelgard positive

[azure-clockwork]

I love three houses discourse because I'm pretty sure everyone just picks their route based on which house leader they're the most gay for and then tries to defend their pick by pointing out the other sides's war crimes via twitter memes. Reader, all four of them do substantial quantities of war crimes. So many. We're just here because the woman with Issues and a big fuck-off axe said so, and then we gotta justify everything she did in the name of dismantling the class system. I mean, I'm here for that, but you could also try justifying Charm Man uses poison and perfidy to try to stop racism, A Sad Little Meow Meow gives no quarter instead of doing therapy, or the Thicc Pope tries to bring back her mom via human experimentation, depending on your tastes

#This is 100% swinging at a hell of a hornet's nest #Do I tag it? #Yeah fuck it we ball #fe3h #fe16 #edelgard von hresvelg #claude von riegan #dimitri alexandre blaiddyd #rhea fire emblem #I should probably clarify that I love all of these characters quite dearly #Well except Rhea #I think she's a good character but I'm not feral about her like Edelgard or charmed by her like Claude or desperate to save her like Dimitr #discourse #edelgard discourse #Edit: I actually don’t care about 3H discourse either way lol #there’s plenty of interesting shit to talk about in this game #also I get that the people who say “x did war crimes” actually don’t mean “this was bad because it violated the Geneva Convention” #but any time I see something about how many war crimes someone did (usually Edelgard or Dimitri) I just think: #“Hah it’s a war crime to deploy Cyril to rescue Flayn because he’s still 14 then” #also I got into this game because someone told me ‘so there’s a gal with an axe and trauma’ and I booted it up #and I have a friend who likes Rhea despite his moral reservations solely because ‘she’s hot tho’ #and that’s also really funny #point is I don’t really wanna participate in most fe3h discourse cuz I have shit to do but this post isn’t meant to be a dunk on anyone #I’m not upset when I see it; it’s either funny or fine or sometimes right #I’m just gay for Edelgard and amused by the idea of applying the Geneva Convention to a world where it Clearly Isn’t A Thing

[butwhatifidothis]

Edelstans: We love Edelgard because of her moral grayness! The people who like her "as a villain" just hate nuance and deliberately misread her character to make her simple and evil!

Edelstans:

#edelgard discourse #just to be safe #moderator of their server by the way! the same way who insists the discourse MUST go on! #they've also said infinitely worse shit about the Nabateans btw. y'know since this wasn't bad enough #the shit that flies over in their server is vile

[deathbirby]

Edelgard’s lack of interest in looking into the history of Fodlan beyond what her (dubiously reliable) father and (fantasy Nazi torture squad) TWSITD tell her is such a clear and glaring character flaw that so many of her “did nothing wrong” fans defend as Good, Actually. Like I can’t wrap my head around it, we know that there’s so much about the history of the continent that El either doesn’t or refuses to learn and while it’s understandable in some ways why she can’t it’s still like. Bad. It’s so clear that if her actual goal was liberation then she would’ve done more research, gone to the church and told them that hey, the Slitherers™️ are at it again and we need to do something. But she doesn’t, because that’s not actually her goal… it’s conquest of the other two nations and an overturning of the current system to favor her (mostly already privileged) friends, plain and simple. But people who either didn’t play any routes but CF or just didn’t pay attention/have poor media analysis skills love to say otherwise. Bluh.

I still can't get over how she was tortured and lost all her siblings to TWSITD and decided that the CHURCH was the biggest threat.

Edelgard 100% believes she is in the right and is the ONLY person who is right and thus is the ONLY person who can bring about change. And with "change" I mean "unify Fodlan and bring it under the control of the Adrestian Empire like it was in the past".

At no point does she consider that Wilhelm's history could've been tampered with, or simply been misunderstood after a whole millenia has passed. And why not? Because it's the only thing that drives her hatred for the church, and if it was disproven then she has no leg to stand on? Probably!

#grey borb #edelgard discourse #just #you have the evil mole people #responsible for everything in fodlan #WHY try to kill claude and dimitri #THEY WOULDVE BEEN ON YOUR SIDE TO DEFEAT THE EVIL GENOCIDERS #RHEA WOULDVE BEEN ON YOUR SIDE #SHE WAS ON YOUR SIDE IN THREE HOPES UNTIL YOU WERE LIKE “K TIME FOR MY WAR OF UNIFICATION” #because ULTIMATELY she doesnt just want her reforms #she wants control of all of Fodlan and push her own ideas on the rest #because she doesnt believe those countries are their own countries. #she believes they are just parts of the adrestian empire that are having a phase

[real-fire-emblem-takes]

My hot fire emblem take is that people who never do the black eagles route bc they think its evil are missing out on a shorter but very in depth look at edelgard as a hero who is balancing an empire that has over the last several decades been completely taken over by a regime that is destroying the continent from the inside with her ideals. People claim they want morally gray women but shun her because they think she's a facist when she's actually a socialist trying to convert a fascist party thats controlled her life into a tool to be used before it is irrevocably silenced

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#fe #fire emblem #edelgard discourse #edelgardiscourse #edelgard fire emblem #edelgard von hresvelg #fe16 #fe3h #fire emblem three houses #fe 3 houses #what am i witnessing #petty playground squabbles

[raxistaicho]

Like a teacher would

There are those who might wonder, "why doesn't Byleth criticize Edelgard for her indirect involvement in the destruction of Remire and the death of Jeralt," and that's a fair question. Let's ask Byleth!

Wow, it's almost like Byleth is consistently portrayed as a patient, understanding, and forgiving person! Like a teacher!

#fire emblem three houses #edelgard discourse #edelgard von hresvelg #edelgard positive #fire emblem engage #byleth eisner #emblem byleth #hortensia

[erindromeda]

I've been doing a Black Eagles run

#Fire Emblem #Fire Emblem fanart #fire emblem three houses #fire emblem three houses fanart #Edelgard #edelgard von hresvelg #female byleth #edelgard discourse #tag added upon ask request #but ultimately this is in good fun #I actually really like edelgard!

[bowbowis]

In a World for Humanity... There's No Need for Gods...

People trying to make out that CF is the bad ending because Byleth loses their godhood really need to learn about context. As Edelgard says in the very same scene, "when humanity stands strong, and people reach out for each other, there's no need for gods." Byleth's loss of divinity isn't a tragedy because because their godhood is, and always has been, redundant.

Byleth the god didn't show Edelgard she could be loved, or help Dimitri find redemption, or teach Claude to trust others; Byleth the person did. Only one person in the game reduces Byleth to their status a vessel for Sothis's power, and that's Rhea, something even she admits she was wrong for doing in her S-Support. Edelgard doesn't weep in the end of CF because she's mourning that Byleth lost the Godess's power, she weeps because she's overjoyed that the person she loves, the part of Byleth that truly matters, survived.

#fire emblem three houses #byleth eisner #edelgard von hresvelg #fe3h rhea #edelgard discourse #edelgard positive #crimson flower #fe3h

[furrylibrarian]

I’m a bit further into Crimson Flower, and I think I am starting to see why so many people love Edelgard. I’m far enough away from my initial playthroughs that I can see more than just her problematic traits.

One thing I’m curious about is her stance on nonhumans. She gave a speech (rightly) decrying the Rhea and the Church of Seiros as corrupt, and she brought up Rhea being a dragon as a point of evidence in and of itself. I wonder if she genuinely believes that nonhuman people are inherently wicked, or if that was just rhetoric being used to raise morale and sway people to her side.

Mostly it’s dredged up an old idea I had for a FE:Heroes fic where Edelgard befriends Corrin, but I don’t want to commit to another RPG right now or redownload Heroes.

#edelgard discourse #fire emblem three houses #fire emblem

[quitekingly]

Edelgard is very cool despite being so wrong 😭🙏

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[mayhem-ensues]

I can understand how "Edelgard probably isn't dying like Lysithea is" became a commonish take since the game doesn't really dwell on it, but if you look at the actual ways the game talks about having two crests I think it's pretty clear that Edelgard probably is dying.

The argument usually goes along the lines that since they were able to experiment on the Ordelia's first, that Edelgard probably received a relatively safer version of the experiments. Leaving aside the fact that those same experiments killed or otherwise incapacitated all of Edelgard's siblings so it can't have been that safe, I think focusing on the experiments themselves is missing the point a bit.

While the experiments were brutal and certainly traumatic, it's not the methods of the experimentation but the results of the experiment that are killing Lysithea. She is specifically dying because she has two crests and the human body isn't meant to hold two crests.

Which is also why anytime a character like Hanneman or Linhardt talks about saving her life, their solution is specifically about removing one of her two crests.

So with that in mind, it doesn't really matter if Edelgard got a "safer" version of the experiments (and again, this allegedly safer experiment still killed 10 of the 11 people it was performed on), because the end result of the experiments is responsible for the shortened lifespan.

And like, even aside from that you do have the Edelgard/Lysithea paired ending which specifically talks about reclaiming the years that were stolen from them, so, y'know that seems pretty clear at least.

Again, can't blame anyone for having this take because the game doesn't really talk about Edelgard's mortality. It's one of the rare cases where the game actually trusts the player to put two and two together, but I think in this instance it would probably have been smarter to explicitly address it.

#edelgard von hresvelg #lysithea von ordelia #fire emblem #few3h #fire emblem three houses #fire emblem warriors three hopes #edelgard discourse

[juliakeyoto]

You ever just “muh divine right of kings”

#edelgard discourse #dimitri alexandre blaiddyd #fe3h #edelgard positive

[flower-of-knighthood]

You're five years late to the discourse. What's even the points of making a post about it? It's not like every single points you said has been discussed and refuted over and over either... At least if you're going to obsess about the thing you hate, you could have the decency to deal with the complexity of the subject and make a proper post about it instead of your ridiculous three sentences ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

You know if you had bothered to do some research you would know that I've been involved in discourse for a little while, though the last time I got myself involved in discourse was January. I haven't been as active as say RandomNameless or FantasyInvader, because I usually only make posts in response to stupid arguments that I see, and it just so happens that I happened to see someone arguing about how sad Edelgard was about "having" to kill Dimitri.

Unfortunately for you, my points haven't been refuted, because the fact is as I pointed out, it was ultimately Edelgard and Hubert's decision to work with Agartha and it is one of Edelgard's goals to conquer Fodlan, as is pointed out in the hyperlinks I provided as evidence.

Obsessed? You do realise that Ad Hominen attacks can't serve as the backbone of a argument, in fact trying to have ad hominen attacks serve as the foundation of your argument just makes it look fragile.

#edelgard discourse #ask

[butwhatifidothis]

It really is strange how Edelstans simultaneously dig hard into people that don't agree with their specific interpretation of 3H to the point of being happy they manage to drive those people away... and be so upset and baffled that people become generally disinterested/actively hostile towards 3H content.

If folks get repeatedly driven out of a fandom, and that group of people repeatedly calls anyone who disagrees with their specific interpretation of 3H stupid/illiterate/"acting in bad faith"/sexist/racist/homophobic/etc., and it is repeatedly done by a group of people who insist that 3H's fandom problem is a "both sides" thing, with all of this being dragged into spaces that have nothing to do with 3H, well... obviously people are then going to start to dislike interacting with either 3H in general or its fandom in particular?

Edelstans are the ones spreading the idea that 3H's fandom in totality is shit. They keep trying to make their hands look cleaner than they are by claiming that everyone else's hands are just dirty as/even dirtier than theirs. Of course people who are unaware of everything are going to then assume that everyone's hands are dirty, thus making people not exactly want to shake hands with anyone.

Like, really now. What did they think was going to happen when they directly go after fanartists/fanfic writers who create/say things that go against the Approved Edelstan Status Quo, to the point that a non-zero amount of these creators just up and leave social media entirely? Or after they nitpick every single Disapproved Post and then lie about the post's OP? Or after it becomes a consistent pattern that people who even remotely disagree with Edelstans' opinions are always, without fail, buried with insulting and harassing anons? Or after they're shown time and time again to defend their worst actors with "well their/our victims deserved it because they said a 3H opinion we didn't agree with"? Or when they say that everyone does this shit in 3H's fandom except for them (which is either not believed because it's demonstrably untrue or is actually believed and now those people think the overwhelming majority of 3H's fandom is filled with shit)? Or when they drag 3H discourse into literally actually everything no matter how unrelated?

That with less fandom creators within the fandom space they'd get more content? That harassing and insulting people and accusing them of being this-and-that bigot is going to magically "correct" their minds into seeing The One Truth about 3H? That people are going to just look over all the shit they did just because they allocate the blame of their action on all of 3H's fandom? That people would like 3H more if they constantly remind people of the inarguable worst thing to come from 3H? That this would help 3H's general perception?

Fuckin' no, of course that's just going to make everyone fuck off from 3H. And would you look at that, a shit ton of people have fucked off from 3H since everything has been swept under a "well it'sth a bolth thides ithue tho what can ya do?" rug. And it's been swept under that rug by pretty much the only people who are pulling this shit, who then get shocked - utterly gobsmacked! - that that made them look bad too. That crying "both sides!" included themselves too and not just the people they've been harassing. That saying that the entire fandom is bad everywhere made the entire fandom look bad everywhere.

If Edelstans are really so upset that no one talks about 3H positively anymore, then maybe they should stop being the reason no one likes 3H anymore. Just a thought

#edelgard discourse #just to be safe #like I'm sorry the other parts of the fandom are of course not perfect and should ALSO be called out when they pull shit #but NO ONE is as bad as Edelstans as a group (in 3H's fandom). like. objectively #I say this as someone who is ALSO sad to see 3H become such a heated topic: #it's honestly annoying as hell to see them bitch and moan about how nobody seems to want to talk about 3H anymore #cuz like I'm sorry you do NOT get to whine about people leaving your house after you forcefully pushed them out #like this is obviously what YOU wanted!! a fandom space that is bereft of anyone you disagree with!! #if that means that the fandom is way more empty of new art maybe that says something about YOU and the people YOU wanted to be around you #maybe no one likes y'all because y'all are insufferable and not because y'all like a certain set of pixels and lines on a screen. perhaps #''they hate us because we like Edelgard'' actually it's the harassment and open sexism and victim-blaming and superiority + victim complexe #the entitlement the refusal to ever admit you're wrong about literally anything the dogpiling #the never-ending need to remind people of discourse they want to move away from #and about a million other fuckin' things #simply stop being the problem you're complaining about

[deathbirby]

I saw someone say that Edelgard started a war out of empathy

aint no way

#edelgard discourse #how #why #EMPATHY?

[real-fire-emblem-takes]

Three Hopes is a Good Game. It gave us maps with territory outlines and more character interactions and Dimitri with a ponytail and Edelgard without cinnamon roll hair and Claude with trauma and Shez's empty little head and it gave us Holst and empire dads!

I see so many people complain about it and say how it doesn't exist to them for being out of character, but I really do think it's a Good Game

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#fe #fire emblem #fire emblem warriors three hopes #fire emblem three hopes #fe16 #fe3h #fire emblem three houses #shez fire emblem #claude von riegan #dimitri alexandre blaiddyd #edelgard discourse