#anti sansa

[lovl3igh]

daenerys targaryen is waaay better than me, because the moment the north would started throwing shade at my crew, I'm out.

you don't like them? whatever, not everyone has a good taste. but give them some respect.

boo-hoo poor sansa, how we're gonna feed them? I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE YOUR BIGGEST PROBLEM SINCE THE DEAD ARMY IS COMING. 1. you feed them, 2. you kick dead asses, 3. daenerys gives food from the rest of westeros to the north, in that order, is that simple. "what the dragons eat anyway?" mmm I don't know, maybe meat?? maybe not your problem?? 15 minutes and those dragons will be far away, they'll catch a snack and get back. btw that will give you enough time to inform like 47, 48 persons about secrects you should keep your mouth shut.

all sansa did was "we can't give daenerys the north, we don't need her", okay honey, give me better idea.

those people were that arrogant that they rather reject dany's help AND DIE instead of acknowledge they need her, her army and dragons and the fact she's rightful queen. interesting that sansa or none of the women living there said "hey, you know, send daenerys away, I'm gonna fight for winterfell", they just decided to show how much they despise her and hide in the crypts while dany was risking her life for theirs ungrateful asses.

I would be out in SECONDS. no, even more, instead of talking with jon "please, just bend the knee, man", I'd kill cersei, take the iron throne, make my army bigger, produce more weapon, keep my THREE dragons alive and get ready for dead army. you don't wanna bend the knee, you don't wanna be part of the seven kingdoms? fine, fight with night king's army alone, good luck with that. any person from common people is very welcome in my lands of sIX kIngDoMs under my protection, maybe i'd send them on some island or whatever but most of the northenders, men, their lords, ladies (SANSA AND LYANNA I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU), king etc can die at their own request.

"they didn't trust daenerys, they trusted jon" if they trusted him that much , why didn't they trust him that he made right decision bending the knee to daenerys? funny enough most of those people didn't know jon personally, the same as they didn't know daenerys. all they knew was what they heard about them and what in those stories were bad about dany? about merciful queen who uses her power to save common people, slaves? bunch of racist, xenophobic, biased assholes.

sansa wanted to leave the north since she was a little girl, now you want it back? fine, then fight for it. not expect that someone will do it for you and then make you a queen (what literally happened). knights of the vale fought on littlefinger's order, dothraki and unsullied for daenerys, north for NED'S STARK CHILDREN, not you personally sweetie, you didn't do a shit for them.

daenerys was sooo calm when everyone were praising arya and jon for what they did in the battle ("OMG JON RODE THE DRAGON", hmmm only bc dany let him to and dude barely could do it) I'D BE FURIOUS

"winterfell is your, your grace" ok sweetie, you know what, nevermind, I'm out. with that attitude you can stop night king by yourself, see yaaaa... or not

#daenerys targeryan #game of thrones #asoiaf #jon snow #sansa stark #winterfell #mother of dragons #seven kingdoms #night king #dothraki #unsullied #targaryen #daenerys #aegon targaryen #stark #anti sansa

[lives4lovesworld]

Something that makes me laugh when sansa stans coo about her ✨intelligence✨, especially in the context of degrading Dany (and Arya to a degree) for her lack of a formal education:

Sansa's last class was whichever she recieved pre-Ned's imprisonment when she was twelve and that by a septa, not even a maester. Yet, from the three girls, Sansa always had the 'best' chance to *actually* recieved a 'proper' education due to always living in close proximity to a maester. In the Vale she may still be very much a pawn, but she could have at least ask to receive lessons, given how Petyr grants her numerous extravagant privileges (x, x)

And yet, GRRM chose her not to do so. In fact she scoffs and dismisses Master Coleman every chance. If Sansa would be as smart as her fans boasts you would assume she would try to resume her education.

Daenerys and Arya on the other hand exploit every chance they get to broaden their horizons; Daenerys can read and write (which is even more remarkable given the fact that she indeed hadn't had maester growing up), speaks multiple languages discusses with and listens to more educated, wise and diverse advisors, and educates herself with books (x). Arya (who lost the privilege the day of father's imprisonment) has proven that she is a dedicated pupil to Syrio Forel, she manages to secured herself a place as a novice at the House of Black and White, where she learns diverse languages, history, poisons, how to stalk and kill unsuspiciously, to dedicate lies and to lie and tasked to learn 3 new things everyday.

#asoiaf #asoiaf meta #daenerys targaryen #arya stark #anti sansa #anti stansas #anti sansa stans #✨vent time✨ #fandom wank

[yennefer-of-dragonstone]

'what you did for her is the only reason i'm not killing you' is probably going to be about arya in the books, since her storyline was given to sansa in the show

and rewatching some of the scenes i'm getting the sense sansa is in love with jon and it's not reciprocated. she seems clearly jealous of dany (and it's something baelish prods at.) so maybe that will be how it goes, who knows

#just occurred to me #arya #jon #theon #i just don't believe in jonsa anymore anyway #pro daenerys #pro arya #anti sansa #i suppose

[leesielex]

And yet they somehow missed that while Sansa plays in the snow, Jon Snow is actually repairing real dilapidated castles on the Wall. I didn't want to reblog b/c I can totally see them then being like Sansa builds a Winterfell made of SNOW while Jon SNOW rebuilds castles on the wall. JoNsA cOnFirMeD 😂😂🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

#anti sansa stark #anti Sansa #anti jonsa

[aemontargaryen-bloodraven]

Hey,

This is my first time asking a question and I’m fairly new to the fandom, but what do you think about people claiming that Sansa and Jon are very similar and have the same ambitions?

Hello, first off, sorry I couldn't reply before. I might just go off the rails with this one Anon.

Jon and Sansa are not similar, they grew up in the same castle and had some notions about the outside world (as did all Stark children) which are shattered in AGOT itself.

Jon thought the Night's Watch was an honorable place and Sansa thought that all knights are good and noble, Kings and Queens are great and kind and not capable of doing any harm. That's it. That's where the similarities end.

In Jon's Chapters in AGOT, GRRM takes Jon's beliefs and unravels them one by one. Jon observers, he learns and modifies his behaviour accordingly.

On the other hand, we have Sansa who inspite of overwhelming evidence that her worldview is flawed, refuses to change it.

She expects Cersei to have mercy, Joffery to be kind to her even after the Trident incident and is still besotted with Joffery until her father's head ends up on a spike at the end of AGOT.

There is no comparison between Jon and Sansa.

Jon goes to the Night's Watch without ever knowing what it was. No one tells him the truth except Tyrion. He is angry at first, yes and he does take it out on other recruits. (Going off the rails here because I need to talk.)

But the fact that Jon's sudden anger and his disappointment makes people just go around and say that he was a brat just like Sansa and he needed to be brought down a peg because he is a bastard irks me alot.

Yes, there is no justification for Jon taking out his anger on his recruits and it was wrong for him to do so and Noye was right to call him out on it. But most times, I think people forget the fact that Winterfell (no matter how desperately they want for it to be Jon's home) wasn't his home.

As a Noble bastard, he fit nowhere, not with the highborn and not with the lowborn. Catelyn's resentment of his skills left a mark on Jon and I believe he was reenacting his trauma here.

She was looking at him the way she used to look at him at Winterfell, whenever he had bested Robb at swords or sums or most anything. Jon XII, ASOS

"They hate me because I'm better than they are." Jon III, AGOT

Jon grew up knowing that life is not fair as he tells Arya and is not a song, but he was sheltered by what the truth of the Night's Watch was. However, when it was told to him, he accepted it.

Jon Snow set his mouth in a grim line. "If that's what it is, that's what it is." Tyrion II, AGOT

Meanwhile, Sansa takes an entire book (at the end of which her father is executed because she ratted him out to Cersei) to learn that Joffery is not the Prince Charming she thought he was and Cersei is no benevolent Queen.

As of ADWD, Sansa's ambition is to host tourneys, host extravagant feasts and have 12 feet long lemon cakes made for her. While Jon's goal is to try and have food for the Night's Watch, to save and feed the Free Folk, make glass gardens so the North has food for Winters, conduct science experiments on the dead men to learn more all the while preparing the realm against the Others etc. He has no time for his personal ambitions. He was tempted (Stannis's offer) but he rejects it because he will not burn down his father's gods.

Jon exists as a whole another character seperate from the rest of the realm and yet with 41 Chapters because at the end of the day everyone's story will be culminating where he is right now. Sansa on the other hand, at this time is playing a part in Littlefinger's story. I have no doubt that she will bring him down, I say that because of her parallels to Cersei.

Catelyn defenders and also most Stansas love to say that Jon should thank his stars that he was dealing with someone like Catelyn and not Cersei. Well I think that should be applied to Littlefinger. He should beware, for he is not dealing with Catelyn's daughter but Cersei's protege.

So I am not sure who these people are who say that Jon and Sansa are very similar or whatever. They crave family? Daenerys wants to have a family. They want to come home to Winterfell? All Stark children including ultimately want to do that.

So, whoever says that has absolutely no idea what they are talking about and have not read the books (which is usually the case with Jonsas and Stansas.).

#Asks #Jon Snow #Again sorry about answering this so late #Anti Jonsas #ASOIAF #Anti Sansa #Sort of

[nlaerys02]

this fandom is insane bc of the sansa green stans and jonsa stans.

them: i don't hate dany, i'm not an anti.

and them: ganna make a post about why i don't like dany,and let me remind you she's dead in the show.

also them: why are dany stans so agressive?

#house of the dragon #game of thrones #anti sansa stan #anti sansa stans #anti sansa stark #anti sansa #anti sansa stark stan #anti sansa stark stans #anti jonsa #anti greens #anti alicent stans #anti alicent hightower #house targaryen #daenerys targeryan

[courtneyshortney82]

Weird that it isn't S@nsa isn't it???

#danaerys targaryen #anti sansa #anti show sansa #all hail dany #our girl deserved so much better

[key-to-the-north]

Why did you cut off the likes lol don’t be shy:

not only useless but also unpopular and unloved

#anti sansa stans #anti sansa stark #anti sansa #got #game of thrones

[makemeasanduba]

The most annoying thing about Sonsas ending is that se really didn't deserved the throne that she won, she didn't protect her people, she didn't sacrifice herself for her people, she didn't nothing for them but still get the damn throne

#anti d&d #anti got #game of thrones #got #anti sansa stark #anti sansa #anti house stark #anti s/nsa stans #anti sansa stans

[reignof-fyre]

I'm mad about got s8 again

#anti house stark #anti sansa #anti stansa #anti show jon #anti show arya #anti show bran #anti show tyrion #anti got #anti got s8

[lovl3igh]

i agree with sansa bc me as well wanted daenerys stormborn first of her name khalessi mother (of me) born-to-slay breaker of the chains bride of fire (and mine) princess silver lady the world beauty winner drop the hair routine angel my wife gold hearted love of my life the hottest but yet unburnt protector of the realm (and my heart) mhysa pretty slayer of lies etc etc be the queen of six kingdoms and let the north go

*die, I'm sorry, let the north die and then beat the night king with the big ass army and 3 dragons, thank you for slaying girlie

#you can dislike daenerys #but if you think the north would survive without her #you're delusional #“arya killed the night king” #arya would be dead in minutes #if dany's army didn't slow down the others #daenerys haters are so funny #the fact you can't admit sansa wasn't right #and she was just being brat #while she needed help #shut up for 5 seconds #queen daenerys #targaryen #asoiaf #daenerys targaryen #mother of dragons #anti sansa #anti sansa stans #sansa stark #anti daenerys haters

[aangopologist]

Damn, this fanfic writers just give Arya's charasteristics to Sansa and call it a day.

#Anti Sansa #I guess #Can I just read 1 fic without the writers making Sansa their self insert #I'm sorry to break it to you all but rhaegar wouldn't care about Sansa

[wearenorth]

A dialogue that would have made the ending of season 8 a bit better

started as a traitor - ended as a traitor and dumb&dumber had guts to crown her as queen

From: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02C9BGSNEUqfKkBbSqs2UCbtqVHVSsopuSdsAgBMmDVSHzXQeVh62wF5h52TyKxbvVl&id=100064116841830

#jon snow #anti d&d #anti got #anti sansa

[klarolinedrabbles]

Sansa isn't popular irl, when people remember or talk about GOT they think of Dany or Arya as the principal heroines because they are iconic unlike their fave, her ending was so horrible and rushed no one even remembers she ends as QITN, people just remember she was a traitor who hated Dany

I think it depends from which angle you look at GoT from. I'm always very specific when I refer to Sansa, in which I call her a tumblr golden child, iykyk. There are certain characters across this platform specifically and that crosses over to twitter a bit, that reaches a height where any and all criticism really gets dogpiled. I've witnessed it a remarkable amount of times across several different fandoms.

And in Sansa's case, I understood the origins, if you will. I understood the outpour of love towards a character who absolutely, in some corners of the asoiaf fandom got frowned upon for being 'useless' because she's one of if not the overt feminine presence among the other female characters. Her not being a sword wielder or a dragon rider does not make her less than other female characters in this story. So do I understand where it all started? Yes, I do.

However, what has sort of happened over time IN MY OPINION, is that the Sansa love has really spiraled into---the only term that comes to mind is wishful thinking. And that's also what explains the birth of j*nsa, again---IN MY OPINION. There's such a lack of foreshadowing to any importance with her narrative in the text that there are sub sections of her fandom who have taken it upon themselves to reinvent the canon. And the same goes for j*nsa's rapid existence that really came out of nowhere. There is no decent ship (depending on your own thoughts about it) hinted at for her in this series so some have changed some things around in what is written and created one???? Because I've read this series several times and I'm a long time forum reader about the series also so we're gonna have to agree to disagree on the ~hints~ that j*nsa is a thing because respectfully imo, there's absolutely zero alluding to it.

In terms of Sansa fandom wise, there were gaps and her fandom took it upon themselves and filled them. That's the best way I can explain it, lmao. Which again, all just in my opinion.

D&D were underwhelmed by her book arc as well, it's why they bent over backwards to change it and admitted it that Sansa's role was too small in the book. I remember their interview about S5 when they changed it, they very clearly say that Sansa is a character they cared about almost more than anyone. And wanted her to play a bigger part. Because the truth of the matter is that they gave her an importance she just doesn't have in the books. Which was a mindset that became contagious imo, cause that's what her fandom turned into.

As someone who is very much enjoying Sansa's book arc, I was vehemently disappointed. Like shit's about to go down in the Vale and she's absolutely gonna have a hand in it. Will it lead to where D&D placed her at the end??? Imo, almost certainly no. But, I'm sure it'll be something that fits and that she's earned.

#stephanie talks asoiaf #stephanie talks got #long post #anti sansa #I try not to speak too much on how much I dislike her cause heaps of mutuals love her #so I always keep it to a minimum #but ask and ye shall recieve

[leesielex]

A mother of two who expects a sheltered 11 year old who wants to see the good in others to think like a grown adult?

I know this is in response to my Sansa post. So let me gladly explain. I’m not talking about an 11 year old who wants to see the good in people. I have two children. One who is mature for her age and one who is immature. My youngest is now 11. And both my kids would have never done what Sansa had. They are much more like Arya than Sansa to be sure because they would never lie over something so horrible. You seem to be putting your own head canon into this that Sansa wants to see the good in people and that’s it. Period. And she gets burned for that alone. That’s just part of the story. She also sees the worst in her own sister, whom she has bullied for not being a traditional lady. She also saw with her own eyes who Joffrey and Cersei were, and still lies to take their side over her own sister. No my oldest would protect my youngest at all costs, and would never lie to protect someone else, not even a boy she thought she loved. My youngest wouldn’t lie in such a situation either. Even after Cersei kills lady, she never takes responsibility for her part, doesn’t blame Cersei since she still trusts her and goes to her resulting in Ned’s arrest and eventually executed, instead she falsely blames Arya for Lady’s death. Not herself for lying, not Joffrey for instigating it all, and not Cersei for demanding Lady’s head though the wolf was innocent. She never cares for the innocent boy murdered for Joffrey’s actions. But even then, while I can not condone Sansa’s actions, nor will I gloss over them, her parents are largely to blame for letting her fill her head with fantasies and not raising her better, other than to be a good wife and have sons, and letting her keep this animosity for Arya. They kept her naive and sheltered, but how long are they to blame?

You seem to think Sansa stays the naive 11 year old. But in the WOW released Alayne chapter she is the same age Dany was when she married drogo and hatched dragons, the same chapters people judge Dany harshly for every thought and action claiming she is a master and evil, despite GRRM denying this and very much showing she is one of the heroes in the books. How is it right to judge Dany so harshly but Sansa gets a free pass at the same age after she has experience after experience proving to her not to trust these people? And those same people defending Sansa also blame and judge a 9-11 year old Arya just as badly as they do Dany. No, I don’t blame or judge Sansa in the first few chapters of the first book when she is naive and seeing the good in people from her sheltered upbringing, I rightly define her character based on chapter after chapter over years of several books that she still is more interested in marrying well than her own family’s lives and wellbeing.

Despite knowing nothing of Harry Hardyng besides he is good looking and the heir if Sweetrobin dies, she still thinks that she hopes Robin Arryn had enough of the POISON that is slowly killing him so he won’t make a scene when she dances with Harry to gain his affection to hopefully seal the marriage pact. She says this even after Robin says he knows Harry wants him to die so he can take his title as Lord of the Eyrie and Warden of Vale. He is correct, and even after she has taken care of her cousin and sees he is being slowly poisoned, she cares only for her own marriage to a handsome man and his title. After all she saw and suffered in King’s Landing, she has learned nothing. If she has learned anything it seems it will be to be more like Cersei and Littlefinger. I enjoy Sansa POV chapters very much, and I do not dislike her character, I do dislike many peoples inability to see her for the grey character she is and the possible darker turn she will take. I dislike her, and those who Stan her’s, inability to take any responsibility for her own actions.

Which is why I love Jon and Dany as characters, as in the books they are constantly measuring their actions and thoughts and trying to be better no matter how many times they fail. They take accountability when they screw up and take steps to rectify it. They actually grow and learn and are building. They are just as grey as every character, but they want to do better, where Sansa does and thinks very little about helping anyone but herself. Her thoughts are most entirely self-centered, even wishing her best friend Jeyne would stop crying because it was annoying after Jeyne had just witnessed northmen dying, including Jeyne’s father we learn, and during this time Sansa is not mostly concerned of her father, her sister, the northmen, she is concerned for her marriage to Joffrey. She doesn’t gain the self-realization she brought this on as well by trusting Cersei (though I agree Ned is mostly to blame, and Catelyn is not blameless, both more so than 11 year old Sansa) but she seems to never gain the insight to see how her selfish and naive actions affected anyone and she certainly doesn’t fix this defect within herself as we see her making the same mistake in WOW Alayne chapter.

Me being a mother of two only shows me to judge her parents for raising her so poorly and never teaching her properly how the outside world is and that family sticks together, though it seems to me Ned tried, that is literally the saying of the pack survives, but Sansa is so self centered she only wants her family if they act how she wants them to. She doesn’t want the sister she has because she doesn’t accept her for who she is. Catelyn’s doing I would say. but as a mother I also know not to shirk and dismiss a child’s responsibility for their own actions or they will never learn, and that is why Sansa is still the same 11 year old girl years later still caring more about marrying Harry than her own cousin. She has never had that moment of someone talking to her to see the error of her ways, and she has never realized her own mistakes or accountability. And that is why I don’t Stan Sansa. I can appreciate her character as it is without dismissing the wrong she does and raising her onto a pedestal.

#anon ask #asoiaf #Sansa fans never hold her to the expectations as every other character #anti Sansa #but not really #Sansa Stans ruined my appreciation for her character

[wolvesqveen]

i don't want to reblog OP because i haven't been back long enough to know who they are and where they stand on the Discourse™ and i frankly don't care but i'd rather avoid conflict where i can.

however i do have to say that "i hope this character that is incredibly important for the plot stay still in this foreign place they only went to as part of their character development arc and is clearly meant to move on from only because i think it would make their fans and supporters mad even though it would completely stall the story" has to be one of the most bizarre takes i've seen in any fandom.

imagine being like "yes, i hope the author disregards every bit of foreshadowing they have planted for this character and their importance in the upcoming books thus fucking up the entire story just to annoy her fans" as a "fan" of said story lmao

like, y'all would rather the books go to shit like the show did just so you can one up the group of people who constantly remind you how batshit crazy your takes and theories are because you guys deep down know we are right and the girlie you have spent years mischaracterising as a protagonist isn't more than a supporting character 😐

#hayden talks #anti sansa #anti stansas #this post makes no sense but holy shit lmao