#but also peter literally calls her mj watson like. are you dumb

[spicysagittarius]

i loved you first

part one: tell me what you see in him

In which Peter desperately wants MJ, his best friend, but she’s taken. When he finds out that Harry’s never made her cum, he takes matters into his own hands… literally.

Rated E

For a senior in college, Peter sure does have a lot in common with Nicholas Sparks heroines. And boy, would his storyline make any romance author absolutely foam at the mouth. 

 He knows it’s a cliché, but it’s not even his fault. MJ is the best person in his life and what’s he supposed to do with that? Not want her to himself? Preposterous. 

 He’d met Michelle Jones-Watson during their freshman year at ESU, and they’d instantly become close friends. Peter had admired her dry humour especially when directed at a particularly lame professor they’d had that semester. She’s probably been cool since birth and he loves spending time with her. 

 Apart from being a wonderful person, she’s also incredibly hot. Always has been. And on top of adoring the person that she is, he’s always been immensely attracted to her, even before he’d developed an actual crush on her. 

 Romantic feelings didn’t occur for him until last December, when adoration had struck him in the face like it was calling him an idiot for not realising it sooner. She’d been helping May cook their annual Christmas Eve dinner and he’d been watching subtly from the living room, trying desperately to understand why the sight of her giggling with his aunt over boiled potatoes was making his stomach do a round of backflips. 

 Ever since, he’s been enthralled by his best friend, cursing himself out every day for not figuring it out earlier.

 Because if he had, they might’ve had a chance. They could’ve been together before developing too close of a friendship – one that he’s terrified to jeopardise. 

 And then finally, when he’d decided to risk it all and was this close to telling her how he felt, she’d started dating his roommate. At first, he’d had hope that it was one of those dumb college flings, and c’mon, they’d only met a month before making it official. Michelle seemed happy and infatuated and astonishingly, so did her macho, fratboy boyfriend. 

 It was the sign Peter had needed to hang up his feelings for her and try to move on. He’s still convinced of that, especially now that MJ and Harry have been together for six months. 

 It’s a rainy afternoon in April and he’s almost finished with the bibliography that’s due in a week. God, I can’t wait to graduate , he sighs to himself. 

 His best friend has perfect timing, honestly, because a few seconds after he closes his laptop, she’s barging into his flat with a smile. 

 “Peter!” MJ wraps her arms around him from behind his seat on the living room chair. “Missed you.” 

 He hugs her back best he can from the weird angle, chuckling. “I missed you loads, but I was only gone for three days.”

 “Too long,” she mumbles, the sound muffled from her face buried in his shoulder. When she pulls back, she meets his eyes, and he prays she doesn’t notice the conflict and struggle in them. “Let’s go to Moe’s this week.”

 “We haven’t been there in months,” he adds. “So I’m obviously up for it. I’ve missed those martinis.”

 “That’s right, shit, when did we go there last?”

 Of course he knows when it was. But that would sound weird. “Um, like, the beginning of the school year, I think?”

  That sounded casual, right?

 “Oh yeah , we stopped right after I started dating–"

  The douchebag you’re way too good for?

 “—Hey, baby.” The smooth interruption surprises them both, and they turn to see Harry Osborn in sweats and open arms. Peter watches as MJ folds herself in them, giving him a peck. 

 Yeah, it sucks, but it’s not anything he’s not used to. 

 “How was work today?” She asks, still holding onto him. 

 “Long.” 

 Peter stops stealing bitter glances at the pair and finally averts his eyes towards his phone. 

 “Yeah? Are you hungry?”  

 “Actually, you know what? Remember that pesto pasta you made last week? I’ve been craving it since Wednesday.”

 “Duh. Best pasta ever. You want some, Pete?” Shit, she’s talking to him. 

 “Uh, I’m good, actually. Got a lot of, you know, deadlines coming up. Next time, ‘Chelle.”

 He grips his laptop and heads straight for his room, trying not to look avoidant. 

 An hour later, he’s on his phone with the bedroom door shut and unintentionally rolling his eyes every time he hears Harry and MJ in the kitchen. It’s punishment for two reasons: one, Harry’s not funny enough for her to be cracking up after each dim-witted line, and two, the smell of the pesto pasta – which he knows is amazing because Michelle’s the best chef in the world – is making his mouth water. But he doesn’t really feel like going back in the kitchen until they disappear into Harry’s room, like they do every weekend.

 He doesn’t understand why she’s dating him. Harry’s nice enough, he supposes, but when he first introduced him to MJ, he’d figured that MJ wouldn’t even want to associate with him. Harry’s the type of kid she used to complain about all the time. Rich, spoiled, cocky as shit: a real frat-type. He’s her perfect opposite. 

 To be fair, though, Peter and MJ are extremely different as well. But, like, c’mon. That’s different, right? They’ve been best friends for years and get on like a house on fire. Except not, you know, in a sexual way. A strictly platonic house fire. Yes. 

 Peter’s relieved when he hears Harry’s door close and their voices muffle from distance. He jumps up to go grab food, and it’s a shame that he had to miss out on her brilliant pasta, because –

  God .

 Of course Michelle’s left a bowl out for him; a mouth-watering serving with a piece of paper next to it that he focuses on first. Her loopy scribbles make him smile involuntarily. 

  EAT >:(

 She’s his favourite person. Sue him. 

 Later, after he’s eaten the pasta and headed back to his room to finish a few assignments, he hears Harry raise his voice across the flat.

 “I don’t care , Michelle! I don’t fucking like it.” 

 They’re trying to keep their voices down, he can tell, but he still hears every word. He’s not eavesdropping if they’re making it impossible to tune them out, right?

 “But I’ve told you over and over again that it’s literally nothing!” MJ hisses. “You’re always so dramatic about this.”

 “Dramatic?” Harry seethes. There’s a beat before he speaks again, as if he waits for her to nod in confirmation. “You’d feel the exact same way if I spent more time with Gwen than with you. Right?”

 “Gwen’s your best friend and I’ve never, ever said anything about it. Because I know it’s not a big deal! It’s the same fucking situation!”

 “My point,” Harry snaps, “is that for you, he’s the priority. Not me. I’m the boyfriend. What’s that about?”

 Fuck. They’re talking about him. They’re fighting about him. 

 “He’s been my best friend for more than three years, Harry. You and I met in September.”

 “So it’s fine that he’s more of a boyfriend to you than I am.”

 “What the fuck are you even on about?”

 “Actually, you know what? I can’t do this right now.” The bickering gets louder when Harry’s door opens. It’s obvious that he’s on his way out, but Peter doesn’t hear Michelle try to stop him.

  What the fuck?

 What is he supposed to do now? Does he go and comfort MJ after overhearing an argument she just had with her boyfriend about their friendship? That feels weird, but he wants to make sure she’s okay. 

 Does he pretend to not know anything? Or would that seem ridiculous since there’s no way he wouldn’t have heard them? Is she embarrassed about it? Would him approaching her make things worse?

 After about fifteen minutes without any noise from the other side of the flat, he decides that he has to make sure she’s okay. His nerves shouldn’t matter when someone he cares about this much is upset. 

 A few taps on Harry’s door go unanswered. “Em?” He calls softly. 

 There’s a sniff and finally he hears a quiet “I’m fine, Peter.”

 He slowly opens the door, spotting MJ with her back to him on the bed. She’s sitting with her knees tucked into her chest, staring out the shitty window that doesn’t even have a view because it’s yards away from another dorm hall. 

 “Em,” he repeats, shuffling toward her. “I’m, uh, I’m not gonna pretend that I didn’t hear that, but I just had to check up on you.” He sits next to her, finally glancing at her face. His heart breaks at the redness of her eyes. 

 She doesn’t look at him yet but rolls her eyes and says, “I’m so sorry about that. I’m…honestly, I’m embarrassed.”

 “It’s fine, I promise.” He really wants to hug her, because that’s what he always does when she’s upset. Sometimes he holds her for ages, and on a few occasions, he’s held her against him in bed as she falls asleep. 

 Right now, though, doing that feels like the opposite of helpful. Especially after her boyfriend had just criticised their friendship.

 He keeps his hands to himself (it’s really difficult), only adding, “Do you want to talk about it?”

 Peter’s relieved when she chuckles through her tears. “I’m not sure you’re the person to talk to about this.”

 “Come on. You know I don’t care about that.”

 She sighs, brushing a few tears away that he’d had the urge to take care of himself. “He doesn’t like that you and I are so close.”

 “I got that from the…” he trails off; point already made. They share a brief chuckle.

 “Yeah. He’s brought it up a few times, but I didn’t know how upset he really was until today.”

 “What even happened?”

 “We came in here to, um…” She hesitates.

 “Got it. Yep.” 

 “Yeah, so he goes to take off my socks and mentions that he hasn’t seen them before.” MJ points to her wool-covered feet, and Peter’s heart stutters when he sees the socks that she’d stolen from his dresser a week ago when they’d had a Jordan Peele movie night. They’re his best pair.

 “And I tell him that they’re yours, but I made sure to tell him that it was just because they’re comfy , you know? But he brought up the time that I was wearing your shirt—” 

 “What, when we were all painting your kitchen?”

 “Yeah, and I didn’t have a shirt I could ruin. But I guess he’s convinced we, like, secretly share wardrobes or some shit. And he feels like I’ve been dating you and not him.”

 Peter swallows. “That’s ridiculous.”

 “I know. And I’ve tried so hard to make him happy – given up so much – and it’s never fucking enough for him.”

 They sit in silence for a few seconds. Then, with caution, he asks: “Is that why we haven’t been to Moe’s since you met him?”

 He watches her gulp and stare at her (his) socks. The silence is an answer in itself and she scrubs at her tears, frustrated and angry but most of all, he bets, she’s exhausted. Relationships shouldn’t feel exhausting, or burdening, and Peter has to physically stop himself from telling her that. 

 “I meant what I said, earlier,” MJ offers. “Let’s go back this week. I miss it and I miss you . Not just for the past few days.” 

 He nods. It goes without saying that he’s missed her just as much, if not more. 

 “Can we go to your room?” Her question surprises him. 

 “I- yeah , but isn’t that—”

 “I don’t care.”

 He meets her eyes and can tell that she means it. “Yeah. Yeah, okay.”

 When they reach Peter’s bedroom, MJ sinks onto the bed. There’s a shyness to her now that he rarely sees when she murmurs, “Hold me.”

 There’s a small part of Peter that wants to protest. The logical part of him. It’s the opposite of a solution but he’s never ever gonna turn down the chance to feel her against him. So he just nods. 

 After a moment, they’re positioned comfortably on his bed. He’s on his back with his eyes trained on the ceiling, albeit the glances he steals at her when he can. MJ’s on her side, tucked into his body with her head resting on his chest. It’s peaceful and he’s stupid for thinking it but it feels right to hold her this close. Yet she’s not his and she never will be. 

 --

 Later that week, just as planned, Peter’s on his way to Moe’s to meet up with MJ. Moe’s has been their favourite bar in the city for years, meaning that what was once a twice-weekly visit has brought them a friendship with the managers. 

 When he enters the rundown bar, he immediately spots MJ at their usual table in the far corner. She sees him at the same time and waves him over.

 Two hours later, they’re both drunk. Empty glasses in front of them had once consisted of his usual gin and lemonade and her usual old-fashioned. God, he’d missed this. 

 “ God, I missed this.” MJ sighs, gazing at him with something he can’t read from across the old table. 

 He finds himself matching her expression. “Me too.”

 She grins and scoots over clumsily from the opposite side of the circular booth until she’s sat next to him, swinging her legs to rest over his knees. They’re both drunk and he swallows hard as her dress slips up her thighs at the movement. 

 Fuck, he wants her. MJ is – objectively – sexy as hell. Anyone with eyes fucking knows that.

 So sue him. 

 With how they’re sitting now, MJ’s legs resting on his and her head dropping to his shoulder every time she laughs, an outsider would assume that he was the one dating her. They look like lovers, and it doesn’t help that his arm has somehow found its way around her and his entire form is turned into hers. 

 Of course, with this closeness, his pants are tight and through the haziness of the alcohol, he’s internally screaming at his semi to, well, remain a semi. Anything more and she’ll definitely notice. Which would be a disaster.

 His cock is stubborn though and refuses to heed his wishes. After a few seconds, he gives up, moving to untangle their limbs and make some lame excuse. 

 MJ grabs his bicep with a giggle. “No, stay!”

 “Em, I have to—”

 “Nuh-uh,” she shakes her head adamantly. “I’m comfy.”

 He gives her a pointed look, not wanting to tell her the truth about why he has to get arms’ length away from her right now . She returns his expression with pleading eyes and fuck now he has a prominent fucking boner and there’s no way she doesn’t feel it. He sees the second she realises what the issue is. Her cheeks flush even further than they already were from the alcohol, but she doesn’t move away in the slightest. 

 Actually, she does the opposite. There’s a hesitant pause from the both of them before she moves impossible closer to him, one hand reaching to tangle a few fingers in his hair. His hand was already near her curls too so he subconsciously does the same, tugging them in some kind of desperate warning. He’s not sure if he wants her to continue or stop. Probably both.

 He's shocked when the tug pulls a breathy moan from the back of her throat. “Em,” he grunts in response. 

 If he was shocked by that, her next movement – lifting one leg so she can straddle him in the corner of their favourite bar – makes him absolutely speechless. She’s on his lap and her panties are warm against the crotch of his jeans and it takes everything in him not to grip her hips and rut against her like an animal. 

 “Em, we can’t—” he tries. Sober Peter would be better at this. “Harry.”

 She doesn’t move off his lap, but her smile fades as she watches him hesitate. “ Harry , for the record, hasn’t once made me cum.” 

  Huh?

 “But you’ve been dating for, like…”

 “Six months,” she finishes, sighing. “Six months . He’s had dozens of fucking chances and still doesn’t even ask if I got there after he’s done. He just goes to sleep.”

 “Has he not…gone down on you?” 

 “No, he does sometimes, but it’s only to get me…”

 “Got it.”

 They just look at each other for a minute, saying everything they can’t out loud with their eyes alone. MJ’s the first to speak after a minute as he finally reaches to hold onto her hips.

 It’s a needy whisper, barely audible, but her lips are inches away from his and he can hear every word.

 "Please, I need to cum.”

 He supposes that Harry being a selfish douchebag in bed is what makes him feel okay with touching someone else’s girlfriend. Someone who isn’t his but should be. It feels wrong but it doesn’t feel wrong enough to stop him from giving in. Because truly, who is he to deny her when she’s against him and practically begging? Harry?

  Absolutely not .

 His hands move from her hips to just below the hem of her dress, teasing her unintentionally by fiddling with the fabric as he tries to comprehend his surroundings. 

 MJ just watches him, and he guesses she’s in disbelief just as he is. 

 Slowly, his hands slip under her dress and move upwards. He holds her eye contact and finds that he really doesn’t ever want to look away. He’d be perfectly content staring into the hazel abyss for eternity. 

 It’s a cringe worthy thought to have whilst touching her like this but he’s too drunk to care. 

 Her legs go on forever so he’s genuinely surprised when his fingers hit the fabric of her panties on her hips, earning a small gasp from her. Two of his fingers eagerly shift towards her core and boldly stroke her covered cunt from her entrance to her clit. What he finds makes his cock throb almost painfully. 

 The cotton is soaked completely through. 

 She gasps again, whimpering as her eyes finally leave his and scan the bar behind them frantically, as if she’s making sure that no one’s looking at them.

 His eyes automatically move to where her dress covers the explicitness underneath. He strokes her again, and then again once more with greed. His thumb finds the swollen of her clit and flicks it. She gasps then and buries her face in his neck, moaning when he keeps doing it. “ Peter .” Her tone is panicked and desperate.

 He shakes his head, moving the hand that isn’t occupied up to the side of her neck to pull her back up. “Nope. I’m gonna watch you.”

 One of the straps of her dress falls off her shoulder and that paired with her dazed, needy expression as he rubs her through her underwear is so erotic it makes his dick physically ache. He wants to push the fabric to the side and undo his jeans so that he can slide inside her and watch her struggle to stretch around him. He wants so badly to fuck up into her as he holds onto her hips, not giving a fuck if they’re making a scene and giving a free show to the good number of patrons in the bar. Why would he give a fuck about them when she’d finally be taking his cock like he’s been dreaming about since they were 18?

 But he’s not gonna fuck her for the first time in a bar, even if that bar is Moe’s and they’re as comfortable here as they are in their own homes. 

 He’s not gonna fuck her here, not the first time, but hell if he’s not gonna make her cum with his fingers alone like her boyfriend hasn’t been able at all. 

 This is why he finally slips his fingers underneath her panties and swipes through the wetness there with ease. They both groan at the action, and Peter quickly turns his head to make sure the booth is discreet enough before groping her tits with his other hand through the dress. 

 He tweaks one of her nipples mercilessly, finally slipping two fingers inside her. She drops her head down and moans helplessly. “Fuck, Peter,”

 “You’re so pretty like this,” he can’t help but mutter privately. “Wet and wanting and wrecked on my lap. And nobody,” he cocks his head towards the rest of the bar, “nobody but me knows that you’re dripping down your legs.”

 “ God , how am I so close already?” She’s breathless and the image of her right now – her long curls falling prettily past her shoulders and both straps having fallen with them as he feels up her chest and hears her gasp and moan – is one he wants to remember perfectly for as long as he lives. 

 He’s not being gentle anymore, instead fucking her with his fingers animalistically and curling them to torture the spot that he’s convinced Harry doesn’t even know about. “You gonna cum for me?” He asks gutturally. “Gonna sob my name and not his? Right here in our booth?” His words, he can tell, drive her mad. “You’ve done so well, baby. Such a good girl for me. You hear that? Just for me.”

 “For you,” she stutters over her panting breaths and sighs and moans. “Jus’ you.” 

 He knows they’re both absolutely wasted so he can’t help the primal satisfaction he feels at her words.

 “That’s my girl.”

 She’s right on the edge and he can literally feel it, feel her clenching tightly around his fingers as he adds a third.

 “Peter,” her tone is pleading and frantic. “Peter, Peter , I’m gonna cum,”

 “Do it. All over my fingers. Look at me,” he waits, stilled, until she does as he says. His fingers resume at a faster pace, and they watch each other as her inner muscles clench in final warning. 

 He quickly pulls his fingers out and a panicked “ What— ” is ripped from MJ, only interrupted by his fingers attacking her pussy by moving side to side quickly across her clit. 

 She’s fast to bury her face next to his ear, gripping his curls and then she’s there , sobbing his name just like he said she would as she cums on top of him. Her hips twitch involuntarily and if her panties were wet before, they’re absolutely drenched now. “So fucking good,” he mutters into her ear. “Took it so well. You’re so pretty when you cum.” It earns another whimper from her as she starts to slowly recover. 

 An onlooker would assume they were a couple of drunk kids making out in a bar, and whilst the former few details are definitely true, the discreet action is their secret to keep. 

 It takes a minute to collect themselves enough to go to different restrooms to freshen up. Peter can’t help but relieve the tension that’s been building for the last hour but also the last three years. He drunkenly enters a stall and pulls his cock out, pumping it carelessly and it takes literally thirty seconds before he’s spilling into a handful of tissue he’d grabbed at the last second. All that it takes is the very recent recollection of how insanely fucking hot she was when she came for him. 

 He quickly cleans up, washing his hands in a daze. He knows that tomorrow, the guilt will set in, but at the moment he’s still riding the high of making her cum whilst her boyfriend couldn’t. Peter knows it’s a gross caveman feeling but he can’t help it: he feels on top of the fucking world. 

 He exits the bathroom and isn’t surprised to see that he beat MJ to it, so he sits back down at their booth to wait for her. 

 And that’s when he sees him .

 Harry Osborn stands at the entrance of the bar, glaringly scanning the room for what Peter knows is his girlfriend. The one Peter just fingered in a booth.

 Suddenly, with the worst timing, the door to the women’s restroom swings open and MJ walks out. Harry spots her at the same time she spots him and Peter watches her whisper exactly what he’s thinking.

  Oh, fuck. 

#petermj #spideychelle #peter parker x michelle jones #petermj fic #petermj smut #i loved you first #mwahaha

[perccyjackson]

You didn’t rehearse that, did you, Peter?

#peterparkeredit #spidermanedit #marveledit #spideycentral #mcufam #dailyavengers #marveladdicts #dshfskjdf #peter parker #nwh #marvel #movies #*gifs #* #saw someone say that she's michelle jones not mj watson bc it's what she says in the first movie #which she doesn't say in the first movie! #she only says michelle & mj #but also peter literally calls her mj watson like. are you dumb #how are you going to cite canon for reasons to not call her mj watson when peter canonically called her mj watson #anyways!

[dilfdoctordoom]

👀 give me all your thoughts I know you have them

Bette Kane

How I feel about this character: She is my everything. I love nobody as much as I love her. I am at all times thinking about Bette Kane

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Dawn, Hank, Charley, Barbara, Helena, Artemis, Donna & I think she & Luke Fox dated for a little bit in high school before deciding to be just friends

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Gar!!! Her & Gar are best friends & they shouldn’t be romantic

My unpopular opinion about this character: Don’t know if she’s known enough to have any unpopular opinions, but bitchy Bette Kane should be brought back. They defanged her a lot & I don’t like it, let her be the worst it was really funny

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: I really wish that in the N52 Batwoman series, the Kate&Bette dynamic was changed so while Kate had all her military training & was older, Bette had more vigilante experience & they had to learn to work together & learn from each other

my OTP: Hank/Dawn/Bette has a special place in my heart, I’m an eternal sucker for ArtyBette, but when it comes down to it... Bettenelli is simply superior

my cross over ship: *looking pointedly at my drafts* well gee I guess I think her & Danny Rand would have a fun dynamic. Also, Betty Brant for that good ole hero/reporter dynamic

a headcanon fact: she’s bisexual, she is, it’s a fact

Danny Rand

How I feel about this character: I’ve only recently gotten into Iron Fist comics but listen. LISTEN. He’s the love of my life, okay? Got it? I would die for this dumbass idiot disaster man

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Luke, Luke&Jess, Misty, Brenda because I thought they were just funny, Matt, I read a surprisingly good Peter fic so hm. Something there

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Colleen. I know they’re the main romance of the Netflix series, I know they had a thing for a little bit in the comics, but shut up, she’s his exhausted best friend

My unpopular opinion about this character: He’s not annoying. After Netflix, I think that’s an unpopular opinion

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: I wish his TV show didn’t suck balls. I wish that The Living Weapon wasn’t canon (but Pei & Brenda stick around). I wish Marvel would pull the trigger & admit that he & Luke are in love

my OTP: Danny/Misty because they’re cute okay shut up Danny really loves her!!! & obviously Jess/Luke/Danny but in that specific order. Jess & Danny are both dating Luke but they aren’t dating each other, they’re just bffs

my cross over ship: The one mentioned above but also, in whatever universe where DC & Marvel are co-existing, I think he had a fling with Oliver Queen before Ollie went to the island

a headcanon fact: He’s Asian-American. Fuck Marvel

Felicia Hardy

How I feel about this character: My mean wife. I would let her murder me without any hesitation she’s so pretty

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Peter, MJ & Cindy. Matt is allowed but only if it’s a disaster. Danny Rand has a crush on her which she thinks is adorable

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Johnny!!!! They’re funny little shits & they should be allowed to get in more hijinks together. All the Marvel Divas, I like Felicia having friends

My unpopular opinion about this character: Plot twist assholes she was in love with Peter Parker the entire goddamn time re: everyone who keeps trying to insist that Felicia has only ever loved Spider-Man. Shut up, they’re the same goddamn person & Felicia loves him 

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: I wish Dan Slott had never come anywhere near her

my OTP: PeterFelicia is cute, okay. SilkCat is where it’s at though. Cindy & Felicia... soulmates

my cross over ship: Jessica Cruz or Dick Grayson because she likes dorks but only if they’re pretty

a headcanon fact: I was gonna put that she’s bi, but that is canon & Marvel has just ignored it so. Hm. Dan Slott never happened to her, this lady was never the queen pin of crime

MJ Watson

How I feel about this character: I love her so much... angel... sweetie... darling...

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Peter, Felicia & Gwen, some goddamn respect

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Harry

My unpopular opinion about this character: All opinions about MJ are inherently unpopular (as she would want) but Marvel should stop moving her away from the arts re: her being a reporter in PS4, that weird nightclub thing, etc. I’d say TAMJ was a step in the right direction except I hate that book so :/

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: I wish she was still married to Peter. Also, that she’d get her own MJ-As-Spider-Woman AU. Or MJ as a superhero in general

my OTP: GwenMJ & PeterMJ & especially PeterGwenMJ

my cross over ship: MJ Waston date Koriand’r challenge

a headcanon fact: She is not straight. Or cis, for that matter

Peter Parker

How I feel about this character: Look at the little bastard man off to do his little bastard things... will he make good choices? No! Will I continue to support him regardless? Yes!

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Okay, here we go, damn: Johnny, MJ, Gwen, Harry, Flash, Ned in the MCU shut up we all know why it isn’t popular (see: racism), he’s definitely at least made out with Bobby, more that I can’t think of right now, Felicia Hardy

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Matt Murdock. No, shut up, their friendship is important to me specifically, they just love each other a lot, okay? And it’s unconditional &nstupid & they’re dumb & I love them. Jessica Jones, too, because I think the idea of her having a crush on him in high school & local hoe Peter Parker not noticing is funny

My unpopular opinion about this character: The only consistently good Spider-Man series in the past, like, decade is FNSM

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: In a very specific thing, I wish that Peter had picked up the phone & called Matt in the Sins Rising arc because Daredevil was such an important part of that original arc & I dunno, it just doesn’t work & it would’ve been really interesting to put Matt back in the role he played in the original story especially with where Matt is in her own series, ya know?

my OTP: SpideyTorch & PeterMJ

my cross over ship: okay, concept here: Kyle Rayner & Peter Parker

a headcanon fact: bider-man, bider-man, does whatever a bi spider can...

Elektra Natchios

How I feel about this character: Murder wife, has never done anything wrong in her entire life

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Matt & Nat

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Logan!!! They’re best friends

My unpopular opinion about this character: @ Daredevil tv series fans please just say you’re racist & leave

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: I wish she never met Frank Castle. I wish she had female friends for a change

my OTP: Nat/Elektra. Love Matt but he & Elektra aren’t endgame even though it kills me violently to admit that

my cross over ship: Talia Al Ghul. I will not elaborate

a headcanon fact: aside from the obvious ‘she’s bi’, I think Elektra has a dog

Matt Murdock

How I feel about this character: Himbo idiot love of my life make a good decision I love you

All the people I ship romantically with this character: Elektra, Foggy, Danny, Luke, Kirsten & Mila

My non-romantic OTP for this character: Peter (see: above), Luke, Nat, Jessica, I think it’s very funny when you put him in the same room as Moon Knight & Felicia

My unpopular opinion about this character: He’s disabled, you idiots, that actually does affect his day-to-day life

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon: I wish he’d go to therapy, no, Matthew, confession does not count

my OTP: Matt/Elektra, Matt/Foggy & Matt/Kirsten

my cross over ship: I wanna say Hal Jordan... specifically after the Spectre I think that’d be funny, if Hal just casually drops that literal, actual god was basically his boss for a while

a headcanon fact: he gets mistaken for Scott Summers a lot

[meggannn]

into the spiderverse: timeline

when i went to see spiderverse again yesterday one of my goals was to come up with a timeline of the story, so here’s what i found with some of my notes. the main chunk of the story takes place over the course of a week in mid-december, beginning on a monday morning and ending friday night.

SUNDAY

NIGHT: Specified only in the background, but a collider test took place under Fisk tower Sunday evening with three pieces of evidence:           1) As Miles walks to school Monday morning, a friend from Brooklyn Middle asks him if he felt the “earthquake” (collider test) last night. Of course, Miles replies “What are you talking about? I slept like a baby last night.” It could very well be all talk, since this is Miles’s “cool” persona that comes out around his friends. I believe the collider test did occur and was centralized/affected only certain neighborhoods, for reason #3 below.           2) The spider that bites Miles on Monday night glitches as it crawls down from the ceiling, implying that it came from another universe.           3) The confirmation: the news broadcast that Jefferson and Miles pass by in the car on the way to Visions announces that “There are multiple reports of another mysterious seismic event last night.” (Side note: when Gwen is blasted into “last week” New York, an announcer mentions, “...this is the second earthquake in the Tri-State area this month.” So this pre-canon collider test on Sunday wasn’t even the first one.)

MONDAY

DAY: Miles gets a ride to school from his dad, meets Gwen in physics, receives a test back, and is assigned the essay.          Miles’s date at the top of his test reads Decembruary 9. I’ve seen a theory that this is what the month is called in Miles’s universe, but later, a poster in Miles’s room advertises the date “DECEMBER 15,” so we can assume “Decembruary” was just part of his efforts to flunk the class. If we assume the date number is correct, this film probably takes place in mid-December. (December 9, 2018 was actually a Saturday, so either the filmmakers didn't check, or Miles was really committed to playing dumb.)

NIGHT: Miles sneaks out to spray-paint with Aaron and is bitten by the spider from another dimension.

TUESDAY

DAY: Miles notices changes. He sticks to everything, tears Gwen’s hair, and realizes he might have Spiderman’s powers.

NIGHT: Miles searches for answers in Brooklyn and returns to the tunnel to check the spider, where he is caught in a battle between PP Spiderman and Green Goblin. PP Spiderman is thrust into the collider beam. PP Spiderman gives him the task of destroying the collider. PP Spiderman is killed by Kingpin, Miles returns to his parents’ place, and stays the night there. The news of PP Spiderman’s death is broadcast across the city.           Meanwhile, Peter B and the others are thrust into Miles’s reality this same evening (Gwen goes back in time). Peter B sees PP’s death in Times Square.          This evening is the first time Miles experiences Spideysense. In the lead up, his senses feel strange, distorted, and claustrophobic; the visuals look weird on the screen until it suddenly condenses into the wiggly lines and LOOK OUT flashes behind him (when Green Goblin bursts through the wall). After that, his Spideysense triggers normally like the others’.

WEDNESDAY

This is the day I’m most confused about. Common sense says these events couldn’t/shouldn’t all happen in the same day, but other parts of the film indicate that not much/no time has passed, so they have to happen either on Weds, or across a day or two, perhaps Weds-Thurs. For expediency’s sake I’m assuming the filmmakers probably intended it to be Weds due to how urgent they stress the collider situation is.

DAY: The city is in mourning. Miles goes to a costume shop and buys a Spiderman outfit, where he meets Stan Lee. He attends a public speech by Mary Jane Watson, attempts to swing off a few buildings, and accidentally breaks the USB.          Peter B also attended MJ’s speech on Wednesday from afar, where he is already seen wearing a trenchcoat he must have scrounged from somewhere. He must have also acquired a pair of sweatpants and mismatching shoes on Weds to cover up/keep warm where the bottom of his suit burned up in collider travel.         Wednesday is the first day Miles skips school and drops out of contact with his family.

NIGHT: Miles goes to PP’s grave and apologizes for failing him. We meet Peter B, who Miles accidentally electrocutes, and they go on a train ride together. After Peter is knocked out, Miles takes him to Aaron’s, where he ties him up and questions him. They recognize the Spideysense in each other, and Peter B reluctantly agrees to mentor him.          The likelihood of all these events happening in one day is pretty infeasible (MJ’s speech and Peter’s gravestone especially). Families would be given a few days of privacy to mourn, and besides which, MJ would need time to write the speech. Most importantly, people aren’t buried within a day. Also, with PP’s death so fresh, there would definitely be mourners at his gravesite in the evening, unless perhaps Miles waited until they all left and it’s VERY late at night/early morning when he meets Peter B.          Peter B’s face is still beat up/swollen in the beginning of the scene when he’s tied to the punching bag, but by the time he’s decided to leave for the collider in the alley, he has fully healed. I would call it a continuity error, but since Peter has healing abilities, I think it was a conscious choice that his injuries lasted this long, either from being knocked out/swung around the city, and/or Miles might have injured him by knocking his head around Aaron’s apartment while tying him up.          There’s a time skip between the alley scene and the next morning. Peter walks up the wall next to someone awake in their apartment window, so we might think it’s a reasonable time of night OR early morning (9-10pm, 5-6am), but it’s also New York, so it could just as well be 2am when they’re having this talk. What did Peter B and Miles do before they go out to eat? Peter says “There’s not a moment to lose” and Miles starts to follow him but there’s not much they could do to get started on a new USB in the middle of the night, and in the middle of winter I doubt they just wandered around the city. Did they spend the night at Aaron’s?

THURSDAY

DAY: Peter and Miles eat breakfast at a burger place and travel to Alchemex to steal the data. They infiltrate the lab, meet Doc Ock, break out with the computer, and are introduced Gwen/Spiderwoman in the forest. We are treated to Kingpin’s backstory and his goals behind the collider.          Peter tells Miles to look up where Alchemex is, and Miles’s phone says Alchemex “OPENS AT 9AM.” It’s light out when they eat, and NY sunrise in December is around 7am, so I assume this scene takes place around 7-8am. Miles wants to swing to the Hudson Valley, but Peter insists they take the bus, saying he won’t swing “after a hearty burger-breakfast.” It’s a 2-hour bus drive from NYC to the Valley, so they arrive after Alchemex opens. Accomodating for their travel time to Port Authority, they probably get there around 10-11am.          Gwen is the third Spider-person Miles has met within a day and a half, after years of thinking there was only one. Only two days ago he was puzzling over the possibility of there being two Spidermen alone in his room, and in the forest he says, “How many more Spider-people are there?” which is honestly probably running through his head all day.          Miles has now been skipping school for two days. His last contact with his family was Tuesday evening, and it’s also been two full days since they’ve heard from him. Brooklyn Visions has almost certainly contacted his parents, which likely prompts the call Jefferson makes to Aaron asking if he knows where Miles is. (Little does Jefferson know Miles almost calls him that same evening as he’s wandering Queens after leaving May’s.) We might assume that Visions thinks Miles is just skipping class, not that he’s missing, otherwise Jeff would probably feel more panicked.

NIGHT: The team goes to May’s house in Queens, and are introduced to the rest of the Spider-people that traveled from other dimensions. They haze Miles, prompting him to seek solace with Aaron. Instead he runs into the Prowler, and it’s revealed the Prowler is Aaron. Miles runs, and Aaron gives chase.          There’s a time gap between the bus ride back from Alchemex. The bus ride takes 2 hours, which Peter/Miles/Gwen presumably make immediately after breaking out of Alchemex, putting them back in NYC around early/mid afternoon, maybe 1-2pm. They meet up with May around sunset, which is around 4:30 in December in New York. That’s a few missing hours in which they might have gone out to eat or something. Why did they wait a few hours to go to May’s? Theories:                1) They were busy eating/talking/getting to know each other.                2) They waited until they were sure she was home. Is May retired?                3) They waited until the crowds of mourners/fans would be gone.          May is presumably housing the Spidergang in her place, including dinner Thursday night and breakfast Friday. Or maybe they ordered takeout.

FRIDAY

Friday has the second-weirdest time skips behind Wednesday. There’s an implication that all of these events happen very quickly following each other, but unless Miles was running around literally all day trying to escape the Prowler, these events have to have some gaps.

DAY: Peni creates a new USB. Miles rushes to May’s house for safety after leading the Prowler on a chase across Brooklyn-Queens. Aaron has called for backup and arrives at May’s home with the Scorpion/Doc Ock/Tombstone. They fight the Spider-gang, Miles escapes with the USB and is cornered by Aaron. Aaron refuses to kill his nephew and is killed for it. Around sunset, Miles runs back to his dorm, where he is confronted by the Spider-gang and Peter tells him they won’t let him destroy the collider. Peter ties him up in his room, and Jefferson visits Miles in his dorm.          Peter is wearing sweatpants and shoes over his burnt suit on Thursday and has a fully functional suit (with the onesie covering his feet) when Miles returns to the house. We can assume May either gave him one of dead Peter’s suits, or helped him repair his own.          We don’t know when Miles rejoins the gang at May’s house, so you could headcanon it’s in the morning or afternoon. The fight with the Sinister Six probably lasts about an hour. We might assume Miles goes missing again after Aaron dies, and he could’ve spent some time wandering the city in grief again. Again, sunset in NY in December is 4:30, so that’s when the spider-gang confront him in his room. Given everything, my suspicion is that they were waiting at Miles’s dorm room (which Gwen would’ve known) for him to return, so when he throws his book out the window, that’s why someone was able to immediately throw it back.

NIGHT: Miles discovers his powers, escapes Peter’s webbing, travels back to Queens where May helps him with his suit and web shooters. Miles takes the subway to Manhattan to take his leap of faith, and then swings back to Brooklyn to join the gang. Meanwhile, the Spider-gang infiltrate Kingpin’s gala and break into the collider. Miles joins them and they successfully defeat the sinister six, and send everyone home. Miles faces off against Kingpin and destroys the collider. Later, Miles calls Jefferson (first contact in 3 days, since Tuesday), delivers Kingpin to the PDNY, and introduces himself to the city as the new Spiderman.

and that’s all i’ve got for now. curious to hear if anyone has thoughts/if i missed or misinterpreted anything.

#into the spiderverse #peter b parker #miles morales #gwen stacy #spiderverse stuff

[hellzyeahthewebwieldingavenger]

“Spider-Man: Homecoming is the best Spider-Man movie ever, and it isn't even close.”

No it isn’t.

It’s not even the best example of filmmaking about a character called Spider-Man.

Vital plot points don’t really make much sense, there is fatigue from the MCu overall and on top of that it aggressively lacks substance and weight to it the way Spider-Man 2002 and Spider-Man 2 had.

As a film it’s fun but the best ever and it not being close?

But I expet nothing less from the blog that straight up claimed Brand New Day was awesome, the Spider-Man story could have ended after the Death of Gwen Stacy (despite you know multiple dangling plot threads) and that One More Day was great because we got young and hip Spider-Man back and the whole story makes sense because by making the dealto never be married there could never have been a deal to get unmarried therefore Spider-Man never made a eal with mephisto so shuttup and stop complaining about it idiots, enjoy Carlie Cooper and creepy Black Cat mask sex instead!

“To be fair, I don't think Tom Holland was the best Spider-Man — that's Andrew Garfield, who is much closer to my preferred version of Spider-Man (the late, college-age Steve Ditko version) than anyone else (Holland wins the prize for being the closest version to Ultimate Spider-Man. That's the thing. Spider-Man is open to interpretation. They all got a piece of him right.).”

So the OP’s preferred version is a version which existed for literally 8 issues?

Okay.

Also Holland might be relatively closest to the Ultimate version of Spider-Man…but only the Ultimate Miles Morales version.

“Nor do I think that it's the most groundbreaking of the Spider-Man movies, since that still probably goes to the first one with Tobey Maguire, which was mind-blowing at the time of release, but is horribly dated now.”

No art should ever be legitimately judged outside the context in which it was created. A movie not dating is nothing more than a bonus. It doesn’t make or break the film’s value because the standards of today are simply arbitrarily different to the standards of yesterday and the standards of tomorrow will be much the same.

“With context as to what the superhero movie would later become, Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst look positively amateurish and incredibly underwhelming. (And whiny. Let's never forget whiny.)”

Yeah…fuck this guy.

Every character who whined in the first 2 films had legitimate reasons to do so.

But oh noes, they aren’t deadpan snarker badasses like RDJ’s Iron man therefore they must suck because…they act like human beings I guess.

“Context matters, though. And in the larger scheme of things when the history books are written, Tobey Maguire's first foray as Spider-Man will be remembered as the character's coming out moment, for better or for worse. Similarly, context matters when looking at creative choices made in a movie like this. And while I can't quite put into words why the movie fell short for me despite the fact that all the elements to make it successful were there, I can talk about something else regarding the movie, and that's the fact that it's one of the most racially diverse blockbuster movies in recent memory.”

So it’s the best Spier-Man movie ever but fell short for you….okay…

“So let's look at...

Racial Diversity and Bending in Spider-Man: Homecoming

by Duy

SPOILERS FOLLOW Spider-Man: Homecoming has a pretty damn diverse cast. Let's take a look at his main classmates Breakfast Club style.

So you've got Tom Holland in the middle playing Peter Parker. He's white. Over to his left is Zendaya, playing Michelle, is half-black, half-white, while in front of Tom is Laura Harrier, playing Liz, also half-black, half-white. Tony Revolori, to the right, plays Flash, and is of Guatemalan descent, while Jacob Batalon, who plays Ned, was born in Hawaii to Filipino parents. It's diverse. It's a step forward in Hollywood. It's wonderful. It also bugs me. WAIT, NO, HEAR ME OUT BEFORE YOU FIRE UP THE COMMENTS. All of these characters are named after a longtime Spider-Man character. It could be argued that since their last names are never given (except for one), they could be anything from callbacks to tributes to trolling methods on the part of the filmmakers. And that's fair.”

No it isn’t.

In an adaptation they should actually adapt the characters whilst respecting the spirits of them. Spider-Man is one of the best franchises ever. It doesn’t need OCs and it doesn’t need OCs’ who’re ‘references’ to the established characters who are on the whole richer and more movieworthy than them.

“All the same, I think there are missed opportunities here. Let's look at them one by one, in the order of the level of opportunity wastage. Tony Revolori plays Flash, the school bully. This is named after Flash Thompson. Flash Thompson normally looks like this: So now we've got a Guatemalan playing him who also doesn't play him as a jock. Instead, he's also another science nerd, who just happens to be the least smart out of all of them, and instead of threatening to beat Peter up or calling him "Puny Parker," he calls him "Penis Parker" instead. I'm cool with that. Look, racebending a 1962 comic just makes sense. You know what schools in the US were like in 1962? Segregated. That means white people and non-white people couldn't really interact. You know what a New York high school is like in 2017? Not segregated. That means Peter Parker's gonna have classmates of all races and descents, and if you populate a cast with racially diverse characters, but the only ones he interacts with are all still white, that just calls attention to the whole issue to begin with. You can't diversify without empowering.”

As for Flash being a nerd rather than a jock, that's cool too.”

No it isn’t.

Flash’s character is very much wrapped up in the fact that he I a jock. He’s a dumb blockhead with a good heart at the end of the day who learns to be more than that whilst still being nostalgic for his high school glory days when he peaked due to his athleticism and when life was much simpler because of that.

“The past decade and a half has seen a rise in the nerd bully, the type that torments you verbally rather than threatens you physically.”

Er, yeah…Flash was mostly a verbal bully in those Ditko comics this guy has claimed to have read. He wasn’t doing a Biff Tannen impersonation at all. He was mostly verbally insulting and humiliating Peter.

“See, for example, Gamergate, Kylo Ren, the villain in the last Ghostbusters movie, and the entirety of the internet. Are jocks vs. nerds still a thing?”

Yes I suspect nerds vs. jocks is very much still a thing actually.

“ The nerds kinda crossed the line the moment Revenge of the Nerds happened, and that was in 1984”

I grew up in the 90s and the 2000s so…yeah this is bullshit nerds really didn’t cross the line in 1984.

“Are jocks still bullies? I dunno, I'm old. But from the looks of the internet, nerds certainly are.”

The internet isn’t the real world.

Nerds can be bullies and so can jocks.

Flash being the latter is important to his character.

“Laura Harrier plays Liz, the girl Peter has a crush on. In the comics, this girl is Liz Allan.

Here's the thing: they've racebent Liz before, in the excellent Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, which I still think is the best Spider-Man outside of the comics medium. She's Hispanic in the cartoon, I believe, and half-black in the movie. And that's fine — the character of Liz Allan works regardless of race.

I think it's a powerful message when young kids watching Spider-Man see a white guy having a crush on a girl who isn't white — and an interracial one at that. Seeing examples this early on in life can only have a positive effect.”

Colour me crazy but…aren’t people just going to fancy whoever they are going to fancy?

Like…I don’t think any little white boys watching this movie are going to be influenced towards finding ladies of the same ethnicity as Laura Harrier more attractive one way or the other. “Zendaya plays Michelle. And at the end of the movie, Michelle says she prefers to be called MJ. I shouldn't have to remind readers, this is Mary Jane Watson: Now, she isn't "Mary Jane," she's Michelle. But the role is still there. She's going to be Peter's main love interest moving forward (unless we get someone showing up as Gwen).”

a)     How do you know that?

b)     Mary Jane’s role is more than just his love interest. By this definition Liz filled Mary Jane’s role.

“And if that's the case, it was pretty smart in this movie to establish her as someone with her own agency and her own personality rather than someone who gets in trouble and motivates Peter.”

Yes it was because that doesn’t pertain to the 616 comics version of Mary Jane nor the Dunst version as I’m sure you meant because you’re a narrowminded so and so who like the rest of the internet gets the knives out for Dunst’s version of the character regardless of how justified it might be.

“All the same, this bugs me, for two reasons. The first reason is this: Zendaya's Michelle is nothing like Mary Jane Watson, party animal with a troubled soul... but she could be. We know this from what Zendaya's done before. She plays a socially conscious, withdrawn, isolated person when Mary Jane is usually the exact opposite of all of those things. She's basically another character altogether. The "MJ" reveal just feels tacked on and unnecessary, and without value past the first time you hear it. And it closes the door on a future MJ that may actually be like the MJ from the comics. (Kirsten Dunst was not the MJ from the comics. Kirsten Dunst played Kirsten Dunst.)”

Do you know Kirsten Dunst personally in order to verify that?

“The second reason is that the character that Zendaya's "Michelle" is most like? A sarcastic woman who is both mean to Peter Parker and yet shows affection for him? That's actually a character named Michele. And she's awesome.”

Like I said…Brand New Day worshipper right here.

Michelle wasn’t awesome.

Michelle was a racist sterotype of Latinex women.

She was ‘the hot blooded latina’ sterotype taken to insane degrees because she

a)     slept with Peter when he was intoxicated and didn’t know what he was doing (which you could at the very least argue is a form of rape)

b)     vandalized his property when he claimed he’d been impersonated by the Chameleon which is an entirely reasomable thing for him to say given that they live in a world of superheroes.

c)     Slightly tortured him with with food

d)     Needlessly insulted him

e)     Oh, and did I mention that in a scenario that wasn’t in the defence of herself, a third party and didn’t come from a place of justifed mental inhibition she punched him in the face!

Let me repeat that.

Michelle who is apparently ‘awesome’ assaulted  someone.

Did I mention she was a lawyer too?

Fuck Michelle.

“I'm always of the stance that racebending is fine if there is no counterpart that already exists. In this case though, there is. (Side note: Zendaya playing Michelle is still a racebend, since Michele is a Latina.) And what bugs me about this is more from a marketing perspective: Gwen Stacy and Mary Jane Watson became the big Spider-Man love interests by continued exposure.”

No.

Gwen became the big Spdier-Man love interest because she was positioned as that and was then immortalized when she died.

Mary Jane became that because she was a great character everyone loved and was then positioned as his love interest eventually marrying him.

“How can we possibly build more characters and the presence of those characters when we're still cycling back and forth between Gwen and Mary Jane?”

That argument is as fucking asinine as saying we can’t build in new Superman love intersts because we keep using Lois Lane.

Gwen and MJ aren’t just there via repetition.

They are massive important parts of the mythology.

“That's why fans get so resistant in the comics whenever Peter has a new love interest, the belief that it can only be one of those two.”

No fans get resistant because most of the new love interests suck shit and are never as good as Mary jane because they can’t be because she had 20 years of a developoing relationship with him preceded by 20 more years of development as his frined/confidant.

Again…it’s the same reason Superman is always with Lois Lane.

It’s not a legitimate basis for an argument to say Spider-Man should even have other love interests by this point. The ship sailed on that decades ago.

“But we don't give chances to other love interests, partly because Marvel doesn't give them those chances either.”

WTF did Carlie Cooper have if not a chance?

She existed for over 2 years as Spider-Man’s love interest.

Peter dated Felicia for over 2 years in the 1980s.

Fans gave characters chances half the time but those characters didn’t live up to those chances. The other half of the time they didn’t give the character a chance because in context the character didn’t deserve a chance.

Post-OMD every romantic relationship is 100% pointless UNLESS its with Mary jane putting things backt he way it was.

See Nu52 Superman/Wonder Woman another fine fucking mess people didn’t give a shit about because of how utterly asinine it was.

Spier-Man isn’t fucking James Bond and Mary Jane and Gwen aren’t optional interchanagable characters asshole.

“Jacob Batalon plays Ned. Ostensibly, this is after Ned Leeds. And this is Ned Leeds:

Ned's a reporter who didn't even go to high school with Peter. In the movie, Ned is his best friend, who knows who he is, helps him with Spider-Man stuff, and looks like Ganke.

Ganke is the best friend of Miles Morales, the second Spider-Man.

Seriously, why didn't they just name him Ganke? He's right there.”

Because they didn’t want to give Bendis royalties probably.

Also alongside Brand New Day worship this blogger seems to find zero problems with a Peter Parker story STEALING Ganke from Miles Morales.

Charming.

“Which brings us to Tom Holland, who plays Peter Parker. And he was great. He nailed high school/Ultimate Spider-Man, and got the right mix of humor and angst that that makes Spider-Man who he is. And that's fine. That's fair. “

No he didn’t and no it isn’t.

He could do that stuff if given the chance.

But he wasn’t.

Because the angst he had was over his Tony Stark worship and desire to be an Avenger rather than the horrible life mistakes he made and his desire to do right by his mother and the humour he was used in boiled down to slapstick bumbling.

That isn’t Spider-Man.

If you think that’s Spider-Man you need to re-read your shit because you are entirely wrong. Not even Ultimate comics Spider-Man was anything like that.

“But here's the thing. Peter Parker in high school classically is a loner, someone who makes sure no one knows he's Spider-Man, goes about things on a grassroots level, and doesn't let anyone — anyone — help him out. He's actually a bit of a jerk, honestly.”

Yes and no.

Yes he is a loner but no he wasn’t a jerk.

He was a typical teen but one who was understandably stressed out because on top of the typical trials of adolescence, he was trying to earn a scholarship, was getting bullied, was dodging bullets every night, trying to earn money to support his household oh and also dealing with HIS DAD DYING!

And the picture given to this part of the article doesn’t even SHOW him being a jerk!

“The thing is, there is a character named Spider-Man who grew up idolizing other superheroes, who has an overweight Asian best friend who helps him out as Spider-Man, and who is mentored by the Avengers, and that guy is Miles Morales. This should have been a Miles Morales movie. By concept, premise, and execution, everything about the movie screamed "Miles Morales" to me more than it did "Peter Parker," to the point where it felt like it was, in fact, a Miles Morales movie, except they wrote out Miles and dumped Peter in his place.”

That is true but this shouldn’t have been a Miles movie by design.

Nobody should have consciously tried to make this anything like a Miles Morales movie. “And that's the rub about this whole diversity thing right now. Whenever we applaud a movie for being diverse, we mean one of two things. We could mean it, as we did for Captain America: Winter Soldier or Spider-Man: Homecoming, as "a racially diverse cast with a white male lead." Or we could mean it, as is happening and will continue to happen with Black Panther, as "a cast that is dominated by one race." Both are well and good and unheard of even ten years ago on the level that it is now. But there's still something missing, and that's having a non-white character headline a blockbuster movie with a racially diverse cast. I will consider the battle for diversity won when we can see that type of movie in spades and not have to remark about how noteworthy it is. This would have been the perfect opportunity to do it. They could have written Peter as an older character to focus on later, one that's always been Spider-Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and just not heard of much, as he normally is in the comics where he isn't that well-known outside of New York City, while focusing on Miles.”

No they couldn’t.

The Netflix series all happen in New York city.

We the audience are supposed to know EVERYTHING about the MCU beyond the stuff that is behind the scenes or secret.

Saying

“Oh Spider-Man was there the whole time you just didn’t know about it” is a creative cheat of the highest order and makes no fucking sense because OF COURSE people in and out of New York were going to know about him. It’d be unrealistic for them NOT to.

Not to mention how actually Spider-Man IS known outside of New York.

As for making Peter older and focussing upon Miles this wouldn’t have worked for a million reasons.

But chief among them is that Miles doesn’t have the material necessary to eek out a film trilogy of his own. Most of his highly decompressed stories are rossovers and tie-ins that can’t work for film and the rest of them repeat beats from other Spider-Man and superhero movies.

You couldn’t even introduce Miles without telling his origin story which is exactly what helped kill the LAST film version of Spider-Man because Miles and Peter have incredibly similar origins.

Then you have the fact that it royally fucks the entire appeal of doing Spider-Man in the MCu.

The mass audiences DOESN’T WANT to just see any given kid in web spandex called Spider-man on screen with the Avengers they want it to be THAT SPECFIC kid from the previous five movies who’s worked his way into mass pop culture.

The audience impact and appeal is grossly diminished if you DON’T make it peter Parker.

Which doesn’t mean Peter himself must be white.

But it does HAVE to be Peter NOT Miles.

Peter who is, I’m sorry…like an egregiously better character than Miles in alsmost every way possible.

“And it could have been done, since we literally just saw it two years ago in Ant-Man, where the movie focused on Scott Lang instead of Hank Pym, the original, classic bearer of that mantle.”

Fuck me this stupid ass argument again.

NO you didn’t just see it get done in Ant Man.

In Ant Man Hank Pym was a SECRET super hero working behind the scenes.

That’s intrinsically different to the inherent nature of Spider-Man as a public crime fighter who is demonized by the media

And I’m sorry…switching out Hank for Soctt is also inherently different. Hank Pym’s deal is that he switched identities a lot and has a mental illness. The Ant Man mythology if you like isn’t as reliant upon HIM holding the mantle as it is for Spider-Man who’s whole history and mythology is built specifically around peter Parker and his personal life and relationships.

Because Peter IS Spider-Man.

And again, people didn’t get excited to see any given kid called Spider-Man onscreen with the Avengers. They got excited for it to be Peter specifically.

Let me repeat that again.

Introducing Miles into the MCU is NOT THE SAME THING AS HAVING TWO ANT MEN!

“And I get it, too. If this was the only time we're ever going to see Spider-Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I would want that Spider-Man to be Peter Parker. But if that's the case, I wish I could've seen a movie that felt more like Peter Parker than a Miles Morales movie where he's removed and replaced with Peter Parker.”

Finally something we agree on.

“That this didn't feel like a Peter Parker movie to me is a cranky old fanboy nitpick.”

That isn’t a nitpick that’s a legitimately massive problem with the film that fucks it over.

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