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talks-with-the-void · 3 months

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I tried to tag the commenter but the blog doesn't show up, so I can't. TW: this post does contain what could be interpreted as reality checking and although I don't mean any harm, this could potentially be triggering!

But anyway, this requieres a longer answer - I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and just assume they just don't know better, which is fine, we're all here to learn. So please don't read an attack into this! I also do not experience delusions myself and certaimly don't want to speak over those who do. I am doing my best to be respectful and not accidentally spread misinformation, but if I mess up, please let me know!

Firstly, "delusion" is not a bad word. a delusion isn't "somethign stupid someone believes in, what the fuck is wromg with them", it's a (symptom of) a serious mental illness, often seen in schizophrenia and psychosis. it's an unshakable belief that contradicts Reality (= in this post, Reality with a capital R refers to the reality that is generally shared by all people and can be seen and experinced by everyone - aside from those who may have delusions). "touching grass" won't do anything to help that, it is reality for them and absolutely nothing and nobody can change that. at worst, telling them they're wrong and should just "touch grass" will make them suffer even more.

so, yes, you could say that all p-shifters experince delusions, because nobody but them can see their transformations. at least, there hasn't been any proof at all until today and their beliefs absolutely clash with science and Reality. but here's the thing: there is a condition called clinical lycanthropy or clinical zoanthropy, which describes exactly the experience of believing you can, have turned or will turn into an animal. there are quite a few of them here on tumblr, having their own community which also often kinda overlaps with alterhuman spaces. those people are not p-shifters! p-shifter is not a medical term or anything, instead it is a term that has evolved here on the internet and has a history of cult-like behaviour, lots of manipulation, malicious people, etc. the "original" p-shifters also oftentimes had a lot of ableistic opinions, openly shitting on clinical zoanthropes, using delusional as an insult, etc. the term p-shifter was never ever meant to describe the experience of clinical zoanthropy. it was invented to create the feeling of belonging to an elite group, to put yourself over others. it's even questionable if the majority of p-shifters actually believes they could transform or if they just wanted power over others, promising them to teach them how to turn, knowing all to well it can't work.

nowadays, some clinical zoanthropes try to "reclaim" the term p-shifter - which is a problem, because you can't just take a term that was NEVER meant to describe your experinces and also never used as a slur against you. a different example in alterhuman context would e the word kinnie - originally made by trolls and to shit on otherkin, it always directly addressed otherkin, even if in a deregatory way. it was meant to be used for otherkin. p-shifter was never meant to be used for delusional people. p-shifter will always have its ties to manipulation and cults, it will always be a harmful term.

I don't and will never allow people who call themselves p-shifters on my blog, because of the terms roots.

there is nothing wrong with truly believing you can transforn into an animal, even tho it contrdicts Reality. there is absolutely nothing wrong with being delusional (as in, it doesn't make you a bad person, of course it almost always comes with suffering). there however IS something wrong with proudly using a term that was NEVER meant for you, never described your experiences and instead has a history of manipulation and online-cults. if you proudly call yourself p-shifter and just basically decide to ignore that history, I don't trust you.

THIS is what my post was about, not about the fact that some people are delusional.

#nonhuman #alterhuman #alterhumanity #otherkin #nonhumanity

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lilbob228 · 2 months

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Mao (´ ω `♡)

Disclamer: Mentions of alcohol and, in general, bad attitudes towards one's own body. None of this is to be taken seriously, only in a joking way. the author is such a clown that he makes jokes even in dis. Enjoy reading at your own risk, and thank you for being you. Stay safe (*¯ ³¯*)♡

A categorical welcome (and sympathy) to all who have chosen to read this blog now. I felt it was time to share with you the major crash of our universe.

As you can tell by the hairstyle defying the laws of physics andwith a large cocktail straw it's MK, but it's not as simple as it seems.

For starters, we decided to give him a name (but made sillier than the creators of the cartoon did) and now, within our universe, his full name is Mao Kwan.

At the moment he is one of the most powerful people in the world of this universe, everyone loves him and is a little bit afraid of him. How did this happen?

//disclaimer: the events of this universe have no relation to our world and events, and some similarities are coincidental//

brief background: The personification of all that is evil and vile, in a coincidence of some circumstances, was a monkey, namely Sun Wukong. For 5 thousand years it tormented the whole world, and so tormented that the industrial revolution occurred and full-fledged states also began to form relatively recently. He was hunted by Gods, Half-Gods, Humans, and Demons, but he cared too little for these endeavors (and they often ended badly for everyone but him). In addition to the monkey, there were crowds of cannibal demons that appeared with each new human victim, unjustly killed. It was easier to fight them (which was done mostly by half-gods), but they took quantity. And people have gotten used to the constant attacks, when suddenly, news arrives that the monkey has been killed. And, even more shocking to everyone, it wasn't a God/Half-God or Demon that killed, it was a Man.

As you understand, this man was Mao. After this news, the world began a celebration that does not end to this day, because, can say, that Good has triumphed over Evil (although there are still a lot of problems within that world, but I will talk about that a little later).

At the same moment, in the state in which Mao and dwelt, there is a change of government and the new ruler takes him under his control as a symbol of Peace and Justice. Under him the main team is organized to fight the undead and the remnants of the evil of the past years.

The victory over Sun Wukong marked the beginning of progress and everyone was grateful to Mao directly, making him the symbol of the best. However, he was not so simple

Interesting facts without serious spoilers (dis: things said below are not to be taken seriously or personally. All noses are beautiful. It's just his own vision of himself):

He's a raging alcoholic and he's just as delusional as the author, only the author is sober and he's drunk

Nose complexes (looks like a bent leg)

Has problems with aggression (and with the doctor). Drinks pills with alcohol because it tastes better that way

Failed a major exam, but still became super rich and famous

Wanted to be a confectionery-doctor, but became a multi-billionaire and heir to the bigweld industries corporation

His parents told him to shove your money up your ass and he did, but not to himself…..

He's been isolated from society, but society loves him

Became a national meme and hero because he killed a monkey

He has a basement he doesn't know about, two dogs he doesn't know about either, he has friends and a partner he ALSO doesn't know about. He only sees problems or his nose

First you see the nose, and then you see Mao

Squidward kinnie

When he's sad, he admires the stick… And his victims

His dad kins Gregor Zamza of "reincarnations"

Thank you for reading through to the end of the post! The clown author tried very hard, as English is not his first language (well, the artwork is considered labor too) and it's very important to him. Thanks again for your attention! If anyone is interested, please write in anonymous messages to whom to dedicate the next post or tell more about Maochka. Take care σ(≧ε≦σ) ♡

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otherkin-confessional · 1 year

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I know a lot of ppl will disagree with me, but I don't actually have a problem with people who kin for fun

I mean, we didn't actually invent the word kin, it's been used for thousands of years before us to mean related to or associated with, so I don't really see the problem of an entirely different group using it in a different way.

Yes, I hate that most outsiders will assume otherkin and kff are the same thing (but since when did we care about respectability politics), yes I *hate* being called a kinnie, but who are we to police the use of a word we didn't even invent?

They're just having fun, I promise they're not 'making fun" of the otherkin community, I'm sure most of them don't even know what the otherkin community is. Let them be and stop telling people that they cant make kinists

I am posting this solely for potential discussion and i hope understanding of what the otherkin community is actually saying...

What people have experienced from KFF includes ableism and diluted community. It is about people ignoring our history or outright refusing to listen when we be polite. We have given alternatives.

Our experiences differ greatly, we just want to be able to express that without another community going "no you're wrong, youre just delusional"

I have personally seen it happen.

It isn't about owning words, it's about trying to connect to our own community. Language is needed for that.

I am luckily in a decent mood writing this.

Mod Mae

#otherkin #otherkin community #alterhuman #otherkin confession #alterhumanity #therian #therian community #kff issue #on kff #kinda discourse?

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darkstarbureau · 7 months

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i get LIVID over something again: the post (you know that i never put titles. im fucking MAD)

post tw: more than one suicide mention

hey man. hey. i dont like bitching about very importamt things to me very much but its one of those times. this may seem incoherent in some parts but im gonna roll with it anyways.

i swear to fucking god. some of you people will say youre an "irl" (absolutely ATROCIOUS term btw. literally do not say this.) and then proceed to go like "im a kinnie and i simp and im fictionkin and im a synpat"

i can confirm that nobody calls themselves an "irl" ever. when you are in a really bad psychotic episode and happen to be indulging in media that your brain hyperfocuses on and start deluding or hallucinating things that are coherent with said media, you didnt "gain an irl". you are in a psychotic episode. you cant collect delusions (UNSHAKEABLE beliefs by the way, grounding yourself is a different thing. but if you bawl like a baby because somebody doesnt think youre twilight sparkle, maybe youre the problem) like blind bag toys?!?

and no, it is not ableist to acknowledge when youre out of that state that you are delusional. it is not a horrific word. it is one thing to use mental illness as an adjective for something you dont like, in that case, that makes you a dick. but i am afraid you cannot suppress your troubles by calling yourself an "irl".

dont even get me started on the people who think that kin and fucking psychosis are one in the same. i dont know if its just me, but it irks me to an unimaginable degree even more to see blogs that group kin, fictionkin, FICTIVES, and PSYCHOSIS, as one whole. on one side, you have a strong liking or relatability to a character. on another, you have a belief that you are an incarnation of a character without delusion involved. on yet another, you have a fragment of underdeveloped personality from a dissociative disorder that has shaped its identity around a character from a media. on yet another fucking side of things, you have a mental state that occurs in people under the influence of some drugs, an injury, extreme pain, schizophrenia, and/or bipolar disorder.

you are not mentally ill if you like a character, want to convince yourself that youre them, and bitch and moan when people dont affirm it: the section

i (do not) regret to inform you that if you are a big fan of a character, you are not psychotic. psychosis is a very serious and distressing state that people often commit suicide from just so they dont have to experience it anymore. if you think that you want psychosis, you dont. i myself consider taking my life every fucking day because of how often ill be in either a psychotic or dissociative state. this is in no way an exaggeration. i know that you people in my screen think that i have a coherent sense of self and reality even if it's false, and you're wrong. it changes all the fucking time. its not cute. not fun. not in any way enjoyable at all. back when i was younger, it would often present in a way that would convince me it wants to help me. now when i try to fight back against it and know its tricks, it turns very ugly very fast. when i run, it slows me down. when i struggle, it sucks me in. when i cry for help, water fills the space my voice was. when i try to swim, sand pushes against the push. but when i succumb, everything stops. even then, i cant win. everything is a question, and i dont think ill ever have the answer; when will it stop? when will it settle?

its not a game of house and your own mental state is not a mannequin to adorn with the worst things the human mind can feel.

say it louder. you cant choose this. you cant. there is no state of disarray where you are conveniently attached to pixels on a screen. "irl disorder" is a thing people actually search on the fucking internet because of you sick fucks. shut the fuck up. did you know that your head doesnt limit what you can be absolutely fucking confused and terrified about to just your favorite video game? i regularly hear things that i ask other people if they did, and they usually say no. i have seen, tasted, smelled, and touched things that disappear when i look away and look back. i have no feeling of connection to your reality. at the same time, everything feels surreal in the worst possible way in the very rare occasion that i can ground myself. i usually don't dissociate when i'm on the computer, because i have always been in that reality. when i step off, it tries its hardest to pull me back to anything that feels like the digital world. i have no goddamn connection to my body.

i want to disappear.

to those people im talking about: i hope this finds you well. you make me want to die even more than i already do. sincerely, gallerian. or nemesis. or seth. i dont know anymore.

#gallerian rants #actually psychotic #actually dissociative

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cybertistiic · 11 months

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What does kin / kintype mean?

I could Google it, but I'd like to hear your personal explanation as I've only heard of this term from you :)

Is it like... an idenitity character thing? Is that a thing? I'm intrigued.

im not good at articulating my words but i can give it a shot

so "kin" comes from the word "otherkin" which is a community of ppl who identify as something non human or not all the way human. if u've ever heard someone say "i kin them" or "im such a __ kinnie" that's where those terms come from, tho those are more modern terms and are usually used by ppl who "kin for fun" and not ppl who actually take it seriously like ppl in the otherkin community bc kin to us isn't a verb it's an identity. like someone said, u can't say i girl them bc it just wouldn't make sense. oh and being kin is also always involuntary.

kintypes are basically who or what u identify as. they can be anything from *animals real or mythical to people *real or fictional to even objects and concepts. for example, one of my kintypes is n. gin from crash bandicoot which is why i go by the name gin/ginny/whatever and usually have his face pasted everywhere.

from personal experience, ppl outside of the community and have no understanding of it WILL call u delusional or cringe for being otherkin. like hell i got called the r slur for it once. but, honestly how i see it is like if i'm already being dehumanized for being autistic/nd + a person of color then why not just go all the way and not be human?

anyways, that's all i can remember from my research, but if i made no sense here's the wiki article for otherkin. probably explains it better than i did lmao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin

*note: animal kintypes are called "therians" and i'm not sure if they're considered otherkin or if they're their own thing. i'm not a therian so i know nothing about it.

*another note: factkin, which is the term for being kin with a real person, is usually frowned upon and for good and probably obvious reason.

#im not an expert on it #i mean i've always taken it seriously but i never did like #proper research until recently #after the whole “the term irl being harmful” discourse #but yea u should def do more research /nm #it's an interesting topic honestly

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scarsmood · 2 years

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Me: pulling up 7-8 year old discourse with opinons that are of course 7-8 years old

Followers: thanks y’all *reblogs gatekeeping rhetoric unironically*

Me:….no thats. Wait. Please.

Don’t get me wrong everything I’ve reblogged is really interesting but also I definitely couldn’t say any of it is good advice for present day otherkinity. Remember these stances most likely helped fuel a fire for the intense seperation we see between kff and otherkin today. Which is a win I’m sure in some books but in mine its a little less ideal.

The issue I’m seeing still with this rhetoric is it does create in and out clubs. Thats fine in theory but you can see how quickly people use the exact same rhetoric to throw several labels under the bus. For example. Clinical lycanthropy was illegitimate, complex traumatic identities were illigetitmate, more casual fictionkin were illigeitimate, concept, plant, architecturekin were all illegitimate. This happened by using sweeping statements that lacked nauance and parroting them to the point where people dont understand why fluffkin, kinnies, kin are bad.

Coping linking arguements are really interesting to me. Because its a very easy way to delegitimaize someones identity even if their otherkin. I would like to find someone who was bold enough to metaphorically put their dick on the table and say outloud they are trying to just get someone to shut up. Furthermore it seems like some opinons at the time were flexible enough to throw an identity under the bus. lets say your plantkin. The line of logic may be. “Thats not normal, you may be mentally ill, perhaps…even coping with something”

It should be obvious why speaking for someome is a bad idea or making assumptions about someones identity is particularly harmful. I also feel like people that want to engage in modern day discourse seriously need to see these interactions before talking about shit cause I’ll see new otherkin think its okay to be more gatekeepy, it is not new or cool. Infact the running theme between 8+ years ago and now is someone feels illegitmate about their kintype because it presents in an atypical way that hasnt been documented well, has been memed previously (kin lists that are unironic seems to give some otherkin intense distress having that many kintypes and feel like their a kinnie despite it being genuine) you get the idea.

The more I learn the more I definitely side with a person to person basis of getting to know someone and their identity. I’m at a point where I think defending “as” is pretty important but thats about all I can say gatekeeping should be. Literally just “as”

My personal hope for modern day otherkinity would basically be “you identify as? Very cool carry on” and thats it boi. Because reading “kinnie” blogs (lighthearted but genuine otherkinity) from 6-7 years ago sure has me fucked up. Despite having the same experience as the rest of the community its apparent they felt 100% unwelcome and miserable mainly sticking to fandoms instead of otherkin communities. Which is. Really fucking sad to me. Because there is 0 reason that should be the case.

Support your fellow friends! Support your hallwaykin, flowerkin, voidkin. People with unstable identites, people with long kintype lists. Support delusional otherkin, otherkin with mental illnesses, otherkin that are apart of systems. There is so much variation in the community it is really better to just not have a “legit and unlegit” kintype list lol. “How could someone be a door otherkin?” Someone out there can answer that question and heres the thing.

It is definitely not our place to force someone to prove its an experience. It stiffles creativity and hurts our own community. Idk about y’all but I am seriously here to get hyped a doorkin found a metal door hinge that matches their kintype. That kind of conversation is good for the community.

I still need to collect more “kinnie” and adjacent stances from 7-8 years ago. From what little I’ve seen it definitely distresses me how someone who has issues i to struggle with to feel so alone and hurt. Very sad. Very upsetting. I think due to my own implicit bias i may add “kinnie” experiences as well. Because often the way these people described their experiences subjugated them to harrassment and labeled as kinnies. Despite identifying “as” and not “with” they were still considered fake. The 2 kinnie adjacent blogs ive found both had to turn off asks at some point or another because otherkin were telling them to get fucked for saying their undertale sanskin for example.

So. Y’all don’t reblog old debates and pretend its a modern day discourse that is 100% totally legitimate. If you find yourself agreeing with gatekeeping rhetoric you may want to re-evaluate how your defining otherkin. Because i dont think i could stand by anything thats been reblogged yet and say yes this isnt harmful in some way.

#yall worry me sometimes

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strawberrybabydog · 2 years

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i think i remember you saying “irl” never had official coining. i was wondering if you think that it would be okay to coin that term for both communities? as in alter-human folk and those who’s identities are influenced by delusion(s)?

i dont recommend it

"irl" isnt a term the otherkin/therian/"serious" side of the alterhuman community uses or likes. alternatively, kinnies/"not serious" alterhumans cant even decide what it means collectively. no matter how you coin it, you will be wrong - theres a lot of discourse ive seen over whether its exclusive to delusional people, not, whether its serious or roleplay, etc. and there is no majority opinion either. literally, you will be wrong regardless of definition

its also just not a good word to use for what it describes. "irl" has meant "in real life (offline, non-internet life things)" for longer than ive been on the internet, LONG pre-dating whatever it means as an identity - its just plain confusing because it conflicts with pre-existing language. i'd suggest just coining your own word for it but theres also no point in that because endel already describes delusional alterhuman identities so theres no need for more words meaning the exact same thing

basically, theres no point, and you'd just be bringing discourse to yourself: either for coining something you didnt actually coin, recoining something you didnt actually coin, defining it in a way people disagree with, poor wording, backlash from otherkin because its kinnie language, etc. just leave it alone, it cannot bring anything positive, and isnt worth it. im sure eventually it'll disappear into the annals of the internet anyways, which is probably for the better

#not dog #asks #alterhuman #language #also to be clear i dont hate irl as an identity word i just think its kinda stupid mostly because its confusing

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dreamland-arcade · 2 years

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Welcome to the Dreamland Arcade!

You have officially entered the domain of the Dreamland Arcade! We are a polyfragmented system prone to splitting and have no steady number to count us all.

We are DreamlandArcade on SimplyPlural if you want to know our system member list.

We collectively use They/Them and It/It's pronouns! If you don't know the fronter refer to those ONLY!!

Hosts and Co-Hosts!

Host: 🌙 Karina Chai (#dreamcade karina) - 03/14 - she/they/it - Source(s): Too many. (If you ask, I'll gladly tell you!)

Co-Host: 🎮 Kirby Nanami (#dreamcade kirby) - 03/14 - she/they/poyo - [typing quirk]> kirby - The Pink Puff herself! - System Manager - Source(s): Planet Pop Star

Co-Host: 🧢 Hunter (#dreamcade justice) - 12/03 - Any - TT: Typing quirk. - Ace Attorney Enthusiast - Karina's Best Friend -Source(s): Multiple; Prominent: Homestuck (Dirk Strider), Ace Attorney (Apollo Justice) and The Owl House (Hunter)

Don't Look Dreamland (tag these for us)

- Reblog bait

- Politics / Serious topics (including death and tragedy)

- Any sort of discourse

- Posts with ships in them (that we do not approve of) - Signal boost posts (people requesting money/ donation posts)

Before You Interact

We swear, alot.

We say queer and LGBT+ slurs and don't believe in "reclaiming". Our queer ancestors did not risk their life just for you sheltered kids to argue whether or not someone who's queer can say faggot or dyke.

Queer is NOT a slur, do not tag anything as q slur or we'll block/unfollow

We value system over media.

We are very open about our opinions on specific headcanons and ships.

We do not believe that systems should be held accountable like singlets (like...come on)

We consume content that is not morally pure, because we know what nuance is and can enjoy something while knowing why it's bad

We own ocs that did not belong to us originally. They were "gift" ocs and we are unaware if they still belong to us or not. Still though, we will create content of them. Just know we aren't the original creator nor do we support them and/or connected to them in any way. Thanks.

Some of our introjects come from random media, some we have knowledge on and some we don't. Do NOT treat them as if they automatically like their media. And do NOT assume we support that media unless listed in our likes.

Do NOT interact

Endos, tulpas, and supporters/neutrals

Non-psychotic and singlet kinnies! Fucking NONE. We have bad experiences with them. And especially kinnies who use the term "doubles." Doubles is a delusional and system ONLY term. If you know you don't have a form of psychosis and are a system and use system and DA terms, FUCK OFF. And it goes double if you PRETEND to be your "highest kin".

Fictive and factive disrespecters

Dsmp/MYCT, Attack on Titan, Homestuck, Danganronpa, Mandela Catalogue and/or Walten Files fan Seriously! If you're a Homestuck fan you are on the thinnest of fucking ice. Doubly so for you guys who support shit like D/rk/J/ke, transmasc Roxy and June Egbert.

Proship/Anti-anti/MAPS

Fandom people in general/Engage in fandom stuff

Black Doom Slanderists. Good god shut the fuck up every one of you who talks shit about him.

Roleplay accounts of ANY kind. We are NOT roleplayers, we are a SYSTEM

Anyone 14 years old and younger.

NSFW accounts

Discourse accounts

Elio Strider (or anyone who's friends with him/support him)

Interests!!!!

Special Interests (We don't shut up about these)

- Drawfee (Drawtectives, Drawga)

- AUDT, our massive DuckTales 2017 AU! It has poisoned our brain

- Littlest Pet Shop (2012)

- Ace Attorney

- The Era of Shadow

- My Little Pony (every generation)

- Kirby

- Slime Rancher

- Teas! Like, the drink

- Five Night's at Freddy's and FNaF Highschool

- AJR

We're Normal About These

- Game Grumps

- Amphibia

- The Owl House

- Pokemon

- Neopets

- Psychonauts

- Undertale and Deltarune

- Legend of Zelda

- Steven Universe

- Adventure Time

- Doki Doki Literature Club

- Gravity Falls

- Mr. Osomatsu-san

- Misao

- Corpse Party

- Omori

- Ib

- Mad Father And etc (there's more, but we cannot remember)

Art account: @dreamscape-popstar

Oc only account: @dreamlandvalley

(Posted 05/01/22) (Edit 08/13/23)

#dreamland arcade system #dreamcast featured

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ninboyfriend · 2 years

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i get so irritated by the implication that we must all identify with similar terminology across the board and generalize very individual experiences with mental illness and specifically psychosis as is psychosis is not an extremely, extremely broad term. imo everybody is obsessed with the terms everyone else uses because they feel invalidated by experiences unique to theirs; me using the term "kin" for simplicity but not actually identifying as a kinnie or "delusionally attached" (and i dare y'all to force me to call myself delusional i will eat the marrow out of your bones) has nothing to do with how people that strongly identify with those terms engage with the world as it relates to kinning. you can kin for funsies and be entirely nt. i don't care. it has nothing to do with me. terminally online people are obsessed with label homogeneity (and, as a direct result, microlabels) despite it doing more harm than good because they want themselves to be easily identified in a unique and special way so they can more easily Make Posts or spearhead conversations and have the easy link on their carrd saying "i am allowed to speak on this." my "kinning" is not just an online thing for me, nor is my psychosis, but with some it is abundantly clear that they're just waving around their internet validity card so they can control your experience and force it to either look like theirs of be dismissed as fake. this doesn't just include kinning and psychosis (though this is the example im using since it is the one i have the most personal experience with) it's a larger problem with the quirky-fication of mental illness on the internet as cute character traits, eventually resulting in the ostracization of anyone who is not "palatable" enough to be publicly mentally ill, all while preaching about visibility and acceptance. it sucks.

#unlucky six

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a-dragons-journal · 2 years

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just wondering, would the term "kff" refer to anyone who misuses "kin" or people who 'kin' for fun specifically?

Teeeeeechnically only people who "kin for fun" specifically, but. If we're being honest here, most of us probably use it as a blanket term at this point, since it basically ended up replacing "kinnie" in the common vernacular (which was only kind-of the intention of it, whoops).

Generally speaking, people who misuse "kin" in other ways... seem to be either less common or just less obnoxious about it, in my admittedly limited experience? There are still "kin to cope" kinnies out there, but I don't run into them as often as "kinning for fun" people personally. And it seems to be the "kinning for fun" people who are the most aggressive about trying to force us out of our own words right now (terms like DA and IRL, for instance, that either essentially try to medicalize nonhumanity by insisting that if you REALLY think you're [species/character] you must be DELUSIONAL (but in a Woke(TM) way this time, we promise it's not just the same old ableist antikin rhetoric with a prettier bow stuck on top /s), or that seem to be people realizing that they actually are nonhuman but now don't have a word for it because they mangled the existing words so badly, so now they're trying to come up with one - both of these, as far as I can tell, came out of the "kinning for fun" community). So it kind of makes sense that KFF took off as a term, I guess.

The alternative, which doesn't sound like it's not including "kin to cope" (etc.) people, is just "kinnie," which a fair number of alterhumans do still use to refer to KFF And Co. The reason KFF came about as a term - as the person who (I'm 99.9% sure, at least) was the first to use ""kin for fun" people," which later got shortened to "kin-for-fun" and then (not by me) abbreviated KFF - was because there are legitimate otherkin and fictionkin who like the word "kinnie" and use it for themselves, and don't like being lumped in with the people misusing our words. It's up to you whether that's enough of a reason to not use "kinnie" in this sense; I honestly personally wouldn't judge you either way (I think it's fair to say that if you're choosing to use the word "kinnie" you should be well aware of the connotations that word carries, and that if it bothers you to be associated with those connotations you perhaps simply shouldn't use the word). Half the reason I use KFF is because "kin-for-fun" is probably clearer in meaning than "kinnie" on first scan anyway, even if it does occasionally raise questions like this one.

...Hopefully that answers your question in a sensible way?

#otherkin #kin for fun #kinnie #the .1% on that 99.9% sure is ''my memory is swiss cheese and discord search doesn't always turn up every single result''#so it's Possible someone else used it before me but i'm p sure i'm the one who started using that first #you're welcome i guess and also sorry and also whoops #rani talks #asked and answered #anonymous #for those of you who don't know: ''kinnie'' has a long and ugly history; it has never been our word #it originated from antikin making fun of us; arguably (plausibly but not provably) as a mockery of the t-slur #it has since been used by fluff and KFF... basically since the antikin trend first started dying out #it's one of the reasons i personally hold a conspiracy theory that the *reason* the antikin trend died out is partly because -#- they *became* the KFF people and have unfortunately been far more successful in that endeavor than they ever were -#- in outright labeling themselves antikin and attacking us that way #which is not to say that i think every KFF is a former antikin just that... there's a lot of suspicious similarities in how they talk #and the arguments they make for why actual otherkinity is ridiculous and. oh wait. ''delusional.''#maybe it's just that those are the obvious arguments for people who aren't interested in trying to understand us #after all there's a reason they were repeated so often over the years by different unrelated antikin #but i have a suspicion that there's *some* connection even if i don't know how much of one #this turned into a ramble #anyway. kinnie has never been our word and there's a reason that you Will be side-eyed by a lot of otherkin if you use the word #several reasons actually #if you're not okay with that then kinnie may not be the word for you #but that's your prerogative not mine

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ablednt · 3 years

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Hey gatekeeping sucks! All of it sucks for both marginalized and not marginalized communities. If you

Think ppl who call themselves kinnies or kin for fun are somehow making Real(tm) fictionkin look bad/just roleplaying (roleplay communities exist yk. Roleplayers say when they're doing that), or have the AUDACITY to come at people with delusional attachments for wanting to use an alternate term to kin because their experience feels different

Make fun of or think lesser of self made systems or intentionally fictive heavy systems + systems who (while respecting headmates autonomy) form headmates simply because they want to

Think people without dysphoria or who could have been comfortably cis but chose to be trans/nonbinary because it makes them happy are trenders

Make fun of or vocally disbelieve reality shifters (criticizing parts of the community and/or being triggered by it is fine tho) & anyone who believes something that isn't bigoted that you don't

Make fun of witches and astroligists or think that hobbyists in either practice are cringey or not as valid as professionals

Think someone has to do anything you do Exactly The Same Way or to the skill level that you do to be valid or valued

Then you're an asshole! I don't care if you don't want to share your spaces with people who you don't relate to or find embarrassing for bullshit (often low key ableist) reason.

We have so many actual issues to deal with can we stop starting bullshit nonsense discourse based on the idea that everyone has to appeal to your exact views and experiences to have the right to exist?

If you feel invalidated and upset because people different from you exist you need to actually try and process that in a healthy way. Like I'm a BPD and OCDer I have internal fits when people don't fit my own narrative but literally just journal about it or practice self love or get a hobby instead of tearing others down needlessly.

And stop pretending like you're worried about the people you're gatekeeping we know it's scorn and embarrassment and babytalking people. Literally just shut up for two seconds I swear to god.

#ok to rb #ask to tag #angry text tw #like obviously this is a tad hypocritical bc we arent saints or even the CEO of tolerance #but I'm so tired of all the bullshit gatekeeping I see constantly #and like do yall realize how impossible you make communities for autistic ppl and ppl with OCD #you have even a slight disconnect with someone/something and you immediately revile it like #harm reduction is about bigots and predators not 'these people are embarrassing me ew get them away from meeeee :('#cringe culture may have died but it was replaced with a weirdly vicious pure and cool people club that makes up new topics for people to #fight over for their amusement like #im tired and would like some peace and quiet or at least rage directed at actual systems of oppression or even actually harmful groups just.#please im begging y'all to chill for 5 seconds

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colorisbyshe · 5 years

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