#ctb canon

[wutheringmights]

Bro Mask really woke up and suddenly his brothers were fighting

Anyway I am once again asking for the commentary on this update because you got me in SHAMBLES Frankie. SHAMBLES. HOW CAN I reCOVER-?!

I love this story to bits <33

You guys were very prompt with the commentary requests, which just amazes me. Like, you all actually like to hear what I have to say?? Wild.

Like always, this contains spoilers so proceed at your own risk.

This is probably one of my favorite past sections I have written in a while, mostly due to how it has that duel scene that I have been wanting to write since the start of this story

However, if this section had one major flaw, it's the pacing; there's three major arguments between the engineer and Link that could have been condensed down to two.

Low key, one of the saddest moments this chapter is when the child asks Link to promise to make sure he comes back, and Link does not. If there was ever any evidence needed to show that he's an asshole, it's that

The Fierce Deity mask attaching itself to the child's hands was not in my original plan, but I realized that there was no one the engineer wouldn't attempt to destroy the mask once he took it off of the child

Here's what happened off screen: the engineer pulled the mask off while thinking about tossing it away, which made the Fierce Deity say "fuck you I'm gonna body horror this child now"

The engineer asking what finger Link would want him to cut off is a reference to chapter 14 where Link tell the engineer that he would have to cut off his own finger if Link ordered him to-- Link forgot he said that because he didn't mean it exactly, but unfortunately, the engineer took him to his word

Originally, the engineer was going to have a monologue in the medical tent where he talks about how he's feeling and how little he trusts Link; I cut this since the engineer is more enthralling when the reader doesn't know exactly what he's thinking

There are some parts of that monologue I really like that I wish I could have kept; hopefully, what he has to say will appear elsewhere in the story

So that duel... that was so satisfying to write, and it's a bit of a relief to have it out of my system and into the world

Chapters 4 and 5 established the fact that Link and the engineer were technically Knights of Hyrule, which I don't think I reiterated elsewhere; so hopefully you guys remember plot details from over a year ago

Also, remember when Meemaw said that Link and the engineer had a very public argument in chapter 5? This is that argument.

If there is one thing I don't like about the duel, it's the implications that the civilians of Hyrule have a homogeneous opinion about the use of child heroes; I've been avoiding making groups have unanimous perspectives like that, but it felt a little unavoidable here. I still tried to say that not everyone agreed, but I don't know if I was successful or not

There is no more perfect demonstration of the engineer and Link's characters than how that duel ended: the engineer happy to stop when he did the minimum amount of damage needed to win, and Link responding with overblown violence

As far as I am aware, how Link and the engineer got their scars was the plot point that readers speculated on the most; I think a lot of people connected the two together, which I am very happy about

Okay, onto the present

Some of you may have guessed it, but the hand funeral was not in the original plan, but there were so many jokes about What Hyrule Did To Warriors's Arm that I ended up thinking about it too hard and fell in love with the idea of the boys having a small funeral for it

That being said, because it was not part of the original plan, I really screwed myself over and ended up having to restructure a lot of the scenes to make it work; I don't know yet if it was worth it, but I do like how the funeral signals an end to the Warriors's torture misery plotline

This part also suffered under my space restraints as I did not expect the duel to be as long as it was, so a lot of things got trimmed or cut

Here is a short list of things that were removed or changed: more importance on Lincoln and Four leaving for a few days, Lincoln gifting Warriors soap (and Warriors being mad that it was actually a good gift), Linkle arriving separate from Sky and Lana, Cia talking about Age of Calamity as one of the many paths Wild's life could have taken, the boys meeting some Skullkids in the Lost Woods, Hyrule joking about finding Lincoln hot, Four talking about the Four Sword with Warriors, Sky talking to Warriors about their shared trauma, Lincoln saying his goodbyes and leaving, more Lana and Link content, Linkle solving an important plotline, and more!

Writing Proxi this chapter has been interesting as I felt like I was speed-running trying to convey what her relationship with Warriors is like as it had never occurred to me that the reader wouldn't see how their relationship started in the past before we met up with her in the present

There was a point of time I considered having Proxi be a mirror to Warriors's emotions instead of an interpreter to them; so Warriors would be shouting in what appeared to be anger while Proxi would be sobbing in fright

I scraped this as it only worked if Proxi didn't have her own emotions, which while a fun idea, meant she had less agency

The way the fandom treats Cia is very interesting to me, as she is one of the only villains who is redeemed at the end of the story. Yet, because of her attraction to Warriors, she's often still treated as a villain. In fact, her villainy is always reduced down to her sexually assaulting Warriors. The fact that she is un-corrupted at the end of story is more fascinating to me, which meant that I had to decide what a not-evil version of Cia would be like

The answer I landed on was "Weird New York Art Girl"

Cia's main hobby is refurbishing the temple and abbey; there was originally going to be more gags of her doing a variety of projects to fix it up, including gardening, woodworking, and masonry

Hyrule's disdain for Cia is actually one of my favorite parts of the chapter; having arrived at the temple first, he had a lot of alone time with her where he got increasingly upset that she wouldn't give him a straight answer about who was okay or not

Cia's prophecy/warning to Time might seem on the nose, but this is actually vague version; my original idea gave away way too much of where the story is going

Wild's speech about remembering/knowing could have been cut for space, but I kept it exclusively so that I can finally give Wild a moment; I just do... so little with him....

So... let's talk Sky

In chapter 4, there is a moment when Warriors is giving everyone the contingency plan where Warriors asks Sky if he ever killed someone, to which made Sky uncomfortable; I wouldn't call that foreshadowing, but that moment happened exclusively because I knew he was going to kill one of the knights

Originally, I was going to have Sky kill Faiza; I changed that last minute because I was uncomfortable killing off the one not-white human in the Knights of Hyrule off screen and it seemed too cruel to kill off someone who is pregnant

So, yeah. Killing off Faiza was not a good idea

I killed off Clementine instead as I felt like I could make her death impactful while keeping it off screen

So, Sky lost his finger; any information about what exactly happened to him is going to stay vague and unmentioned on purpose

Why? Sky's pain is competing with Warriors's, who we spent many chapters deep in the thick of. Nothing I could say can compete. But whatever you guys come up with in your head is going to be whatever is necessary to feel like their pain is equal; it's like when horror directors don't show the monster since the viewer's imagination will always be scarier

I feel like I should have more to say about Time and Warriors's conversation, but it really speaks for itself

I will reassure you all that the reveal is near and I won't taunt you all with it for much longer

The chapter was originally going to end with Legend explaining his story and what is going on with Midna, Twilight, and Wind, but we ran out of space

So you will have to wait until next chapter to learn what happens next

#another thing i cut from the chapter was Wild implying that he slept with Cia in part because he was peeved that Warriors had once #slept with Sidon (who Wild has been trying to bed for so long) #lol that's your bonus fact #it's not canon but knowing you all it's about to become canon the way Hyrule's joke crush on Lincoln is #linked universe #lu call them brothers #ctb lore #ctb commentary #me rambling #lu ctb #ask #anonymous #savimatteo2810

[brokenstar-s]

Me too Wind, me too...

From Call them Brothers by @wutheringmights

The neck scene analysis by Wind

#this was my reaction #I had to ask freind to explain what a neck would actually attract #I think me and Wind would have the same reaction #I take this scene as canon to the story #Wind totally knows about neck scene but doesn't understand one bit what it means #still dispointed in Warriors #lost the brotherhood over a NECK #why????? #its just a neck #i still don't understand #ctb #ctb fanart

[noxexistant]

OKAY. I will start with rehearsal shenanigans because there have been very many, and I want the world to know how chaotic and wonderful my cast is.

So I'm playing a Race who utterly resents Davey for the whole first act of the show, which has translated into a running joke where I, acting as Race, will deadpan snark Davey's actress at any given opportunity. My favorite moment of this so far was last week when we were running Seize the Day and she tried to throw an arm over my shoulder, at which point I shoved her off and glared. It took a moment before she goes "NO this is Act One! Nooooo :( " Earlier in rehearsals she was chilling on the ground and asked me to help her up when blocking started again. I crouched down like I was going to, then said "No. Suffer." and walked away, (It's all good fun, she and I are good friends!).

Scab 3's line has been changed so she says "heck" instead of "hell." The change for this was quite dramatic, since she had already learned her line and she was SO excited to swear onstage xD The director apologized and told her "we don't want to upset any grandmas in the audience." Scab 3 replies to this with "But /my/ grandma won't care!" Just so devastated xD

Less of a problem now, but in Act One Jack kept saying everyone else's lines but forgetting his own, which caused a lot of confusion and a lot of teasing.

Finch's actress had trouble getting the timing for "HEY What's the hold up?" In Carrying the Banner for the first half of rehearsal and when she finally got it right she screamed the line so loudly that she scared Splasher's actress and made her jump a good foot to the side.

Speaking of CtB, Elmer manages to hurt himself every time we run that song. The kid has so much energy and the blocking has him flinging himself down on the "And DEAD" line and he commits too hard xD

Also in CtB I managed to smack Jack in the face during one of our first runs of the dance and we both started laughing so hard we couldn't finish the song ^^'' CtB is dangerous in our show xD

Splasher as a character is selectively mute and goes nonverbal in high stress situations. Splasher's actress, meanwhile, is the one who gets us yelled at for talking when the director/music director/choreographer are trying to give us instructions. I look forward to seeing if she can really stay quiet during the show ^^'' (I love her dearly, but she's got a motormouth)

One guy is double cast as Morris and Spot. His quick change time is *insane* and we all have to make a path backstage as he books it to his spot for Brooklyn's Here.

Also Race abandons Crutchie to Snyder at the end of Act 1 :3 We told his mom (who is play Jacobi) about that and her response was "People will have FEELINGS about that." kind of warning, but we were just like "Yes. That is the point. >:3" She's one of the only people who actually knows though - Crutchie's actor and I have been planning in secret. We even had a private powwow behind the theatre to finalize things last week and we both glared when a parent came around the back. She very slowly backed away xD

Whenever Finch's actress is asked why her character's nickname is Finch she spouts the most disturbing, concerning story she can think of. It is never the same story twice. We have now incorporated that into her character so her morbid weirdness is now canon to our Finch.

Also Pulitzer (stage) punched Jack in the face a good eight times at rehearsal last week, so that was fun ^^

And I think that's a good spot to end! There's lots more, and of course a ton of lore (I haven't even mentioned Tommy Boy or the Tommy Boy Defense Squad) but it is late and I'm gonna go to bed~

!!! oh this is so detailed i am so excited

first off: LOVE race n davey having a complicated dynamic marked by race’s resentment. he’s so biting and mean to davey in uksies and it’s fantastic, and the fake-out with the helping up is SUCH a race move. i can just picture davey grumbling as he clambers up by himself, race walking away all the while.

scab 3 is so valid! (#letscab3sayhell) but honestly i think i like the line as “what the heck” even better - it sounds more childish, and they are just kids!

finch scaring splasher is SO cute (and something to be more expected of someone like albert). elmer getting so excited he injures himself, however, is deeply on-brand - as is race hitting jack in the face and then laughing about it. that’s real brother vibes right there

!!! selectively mute splasher my beloved!! that’s such a good idea, and the actress struggling because she talks a lot is so sweet 😭 i have full faith in her pulling it off! channel the splasher! (imagine finch is gonna come scare her again if she talks)

a morris/spot double cast is WILD, i love it - the gap between him n oscar dragging jack to the basement and then brooklyn’s here is so slim!! that is a QUICK change. incredibly funny to imagine being mowed down in a hallway by morris delancey changing into spot conlon for a song though

also crutchie’s mum was RIGHT, i have MANY FEELINGS about race abandoning crutchie

lying about the origins of the nickname does feel very finch. i can see him straight-facing “oh, i ate a bird. i’unno if it was really a finch, though.”

thank you so much for sharing all these details!!! i love hearing about stuff like this, everyone’s lil things they add to characters is so so fun. and just the general chaos of theatre

#answered #lilshocker8

[aceofspades-sml]

Ahhhh waves so I really don't know much about tommy boy! Teach me!

My favorite is probably elmer or race bur I love them all.

Uhhhh it depends are we talking 92sies or livesies? Broadway version I'd say brooklyns here is a bop. I also love seize the day Ben does it so inspiringly and either once and for all or letters from the refuge.

From the movie I love kony carrying the banner and santa fe.

Ahhhhh uh idk I have so many thoughts. I like them but I also just like them as best friends or qps. I prefer race with spot or albert/spot/race.

Have you seen it live?

Okay okay okay I love talking about my little guy *cracks knuckles*

So Tommy boy is (canonically) one of the most feral newsies

He acts tough and always seems ready to fight, in the proshot at least his arms are always flexed out and he seems like the kind of guy who would pick a fight with anyone if he's angry

On the other hand he is literally a cute puppy ??? Again I'm talking about the proshot because it's the one I know best, but just watch him during KONY he is always grinning wildly or looking at the others in awe when they're dancing

Other than that he is also a realist, judging by his og line in CTB ("it's getting bad out there") and him scabbing before Seize the day because he knows the strike might go wrong

Also he seems to be a rather introverted guy given that is very quiet for most of the proshot, which might seem a bit contradictory with the "tough guy" part but he's really just a big softie on the inside

Anyway that's why I loved him at the beginning, but he really became my fav with uksies because 1- Jack bromage's verbal and physical comedy are amazing and 2- he gets a really interesting character arc ! If you're interested I made this post not long ago with my thoughts on his character development

Also yes I did get to see it live a few weeks ago !!!

#... i'm sorry this got a bit long i love talking about tommy boy #also anon if you're willing to share i would love to hear your thoughts on who you ship race with !!! #newsies #tommy boy

[bruisedconscience]

James Wilson-centric House MD Episode Recs (mid-season 5 & prior only)

ey yo, I have a little list of Some Good Wilson episodes for folks who wanna see Wilson be Cute in canon. Haven’t finished my rewatch of the show and I’ve never seen all of it—I know some big spoilers but still, this is from where I am in the series & prior.

um. obvi spoiler warning for the show below! kept it as vague as I could regardless c: these can be yar-har’d or watched on BezosTV if you have it.

Feel free to watch in chronological order or skip around between the sections!

Cream of the Crop

S3e22 — Resignation — tw for offscreen/implied suicide attempt, but dosed on uppers Wilson is unfortunately cute as hell

S4e14 — Living the Dream — in this ep we learn abt Wilson being such a pushover, via his new GF (who is hinted at in s4e11 Frozen, below in the Honorable Mentions)

S5e4 — The Fall from Grace — Wilson loses somebody close to him & uses this as an excuse to stop enabling House and leave him in the dust. This plan immediately backfires. The guys are tense in this ep, and Wilson is fantastic.

S5e17 — The Social Contract — the patient in this ep keeps involuntarily hurting people’s feelings which sucks but ALSO Wilson is SAD and this hurts MY feelings and then he DOES share his problems and it’s such a good ep

Honorable Mentions

S3e4 — Lines in the Sand — the team works on not being ableist when an autistic kid comes in w/ chest pain & Wilson is cute @ House

S4e11 — Frozen — Centers on house a lot but Wilson is briefly criticized for looking cute, this comes up again with the CTB plot reveal at the end of the ep

S5e16 — The Softer Side — important gender vibes episode, also Wilson being concerned about House is cute

Edit 8/31 — The Pilot — How could I forget The Pilot

The Elephant in the Room

I’m explicitly not recommending House’s Head or Wilson’s Heart from the s4 finales… These episodes hurt and if you wanna watch them for the amazing Wilson content, it helps to build up to them and then crescendo down off them with the episodes that follow them, rather than targeting in on them in a patchy watch-through like this. But YMMV, so choose ur own course! Lmao

@eidetic187, these are for you and also for whoever else wants to know abt James Evan Wilson 💖 he’s so lovely 💕💕

#house md rp #james wilson #ooc #mun fave #eidetic187 ( spender reid ) #[ that tag is cursed I apologize lmao it’ll be fixed someday!! ] #study: james

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[lesbian-roguefort]

wanna write one last tct fic out of pure spite

#in which i characterize sn*tcher like how they are in canon #yes i’m talking about that ctb prequel #rift murmurs

[letter-from-the-refuge]

As an activist that is a BIPOC, I think that accusing someone of supporting racism in an instance like this is way too far. Mush was originally played by Ephraim Sykes. Do I like Nick? Not at all. Would it be nice for all future productions of Newsies to cast Mush as a BIPOC? Yes, it would be step in the right direction.

I don’t think Disney knew they were hiring a racist. I’ve been heavily into activism for the past 7 years and I can honestly say that (most) people didn’t show their true colors until 2020. Was racism sitting dormant until then? Of course not, but it’s very possible that Nick hid his well.

Another thing, I’m not really sure if you’re saying if the show is less diverse than the movie or not, but they both seem pretty White to me. They both only have a sprinkle of BIPOC performers.

Medda was played by LaVon Fisher-Wilson, Capathia Jenkins, and Aisha de Haas. I think one of the Medda understudies did a Cockney accent for her, so in that case, that version of Medda would’ve been an immigrant. Jack was played by Joey Barrerio. According to his trading card, Sniper Wah, originated by Alex Wong, is canonically Chinese (and is either an immigrant of the son of an immigrant (Sam Wah)), Pulitzer is Jewish so the character of Katherine is half-Jewish (even though she isn’t played by one). In the live version, Elmer Kasprzak is played by a POC. In the OBC (according to his trading card), he is canonically Polish (and the nun he talks to in CTB has an accent, so it’s safe to assume that she’s an immigrant as well). Jorgelino (JoJo) Josephino De La Guerra is very likely an immigrant. Jeremy Jordan and Ben Fankhauser are both Jewish, and the character of Jacobi is too. Romeo, Kid Blink, Specs, Mike, Ike, Henry, both the Crutchie understudies (in the closing bway and touring casts), Finch, Buttons, abd Smalls we’re all played by BIPOC as well. I could be missing some, but playing “count the BIPOC” is exhausting enough.

You can’t fit everything into a musical, especially a high energy, fast-paced one like Newsies. I believe that the the screen vs the stage versions focused on different things and that’s okay. Some things that are done well in a movie (such as the scenes with the Jacobs’ family and the spinning-on-a-ceiling-fan in KONY) won’t necessarily translate well onto the stage. It could be because of safety, or time, or maybe they just wanted certain things to remain special and only in the movie, but I definitely do not think that it’s to spit in the face of someone’s legacy. The primary purpose of Newsies is to entertain, not to inform. And that’s okay. It’s not a documentary, just like the stage version is an adaption, not a remake.

I know the movie has a special place in your heart, just like the stage musical has a special place in the hearts’ of others. I’m not trying to come for you/start drama, but it would be nice if we could all just respect each other (this goes for fans of both the movie musical and the stage musical). The Broadway and Touring productions (as well as the Proshot) of Newsies undoubtedly introduced a new generation to the 1992 movie, which many love. The West End production will probably do the same. Each one has flaws in some areas, but each one also is successful in some areas. Let’s all be kind to each other, we’re all still learning and growing. :)

Hi! I quite like this and thank you - literally all I did was add a list of the characters I know to a post saying there were no non-white newsies. That’s it. I was hoping someone else would add to it as you have here. There are a lot of lies being spread about me by alberts-hat but my post is still up if anyone cares to read the truth ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ thank you.

#answered #anon

[yukio-works]

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[wutheringmights]

Dying :( really good nod to the comic in this chapter, but also I was quite literally clawing at my own skin while reading. Even the good moments aren’t sacred in ctb

I will bend canon to my will and you will all suffer for it

#canon only matters when i want to make you hurt #ask #me rambling #lu ctb #linked universe #weetbixbb

[ask-bet-anon]

(this rp seems to happen in thsc kinda universe, so what timeline does it happen in? also I'm just gonna @shaiberry-isa-strawberry @dont-mind-me-i-just-exist because they're in this too-)

Uh-

Well, I'm not entirely sure. The fact that askers can hop dimensions only makes it more confusing, since ctb is where several Bet-related things happened(bcw, for one. Which may or may not be canon)

#mod life #also the games exist. Then again they also do in the walkthrough fail-

[kfrycphotography]

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[itsmyroadroller]

NEW and UPDATED Coffee Bean HCs/Canon Era Background *Jazz hands*

-He can pick any lock and can remove doorknobs (canon thing, see the trading card)

-So what if he got Jack out bc hes the leader and left himself behind to deal with the punishment

-And thats when Jack escaped on the back of Roosevelt's carriage

-And If you pay attention to the OBC bootleg (https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1--vGdYc04lIAha0xwn4fn08LoVH9_JEQ) (I haven't watched all of it yet, but I watched CtB, which is a big ensemble number), you don't see him anywhere

-And if he's still in the refuge, he likely met Crutchie (or re-met)

-So they're Bros(tm)

-I'm gonna HC him as 15

-He's pretty innocent

-He came up with his original nickname (Knobs) himself, because of the doorknob thing, not knowing it can also mean, well, dicks

-They let him keep it for a bit, but when he got back from the refuge they had to tell him what it meant

-So his new nickname was Coffee Bean because he has a caffeine problem

-I still ship beanuts (Barney Peanuts and Coffee Bean)

-ADHD child

-He got kicked out/had to run away because he cut off his hair (trans)

-He tried to reason it with the fact that it was August, but it was hopeless

-And then he got caught stealing food, and that's how he got in the refuge (the first time)

-He got out, became a newsie, met Jack, and then it was his second time in (Ft. Jack this time)

-And that's when the whole "letting the leader escape because he's more important" thing happened

-Modern AU he's one of the hockey bois

-Is pretty good at baking!! Helps Mush with that sometimes

-Is also on pretty good terms with Spot (And Modern AU are like, good friends)

-One time went on a pretty severe caffeine withdrawl and felt like literal death

Tag list:

@smoke-the-woke

@concretedonutssprinkledwthmold

@pryingeyesandpryingears

@thesadshortone

@hoi-polloi-bois

@that-one-hyperfixation

@curtis-crew

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@crutchie-the-crutch

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Since you said you dont know the Spin off timeline: PQ: During the Culture Fest (Last day if i remember correctly) PQ2: Shortly After that. there isnt really a hint as to WHEN exactly. Arena: Golden Week 2012. Arena Ultimax: 1 Day after Arena. P4DAN: End of Summer 2012, Around the Start of the Fall Semester at Yasogami. (Non-Canonical but BlazBlu CTB: Short time after Arena Ultimax, presumably start of summer) So in canonical order: PQ, PQ2, Arena, Arena Ultimax, P4DAN.

oh thanks? i assumed pq’s were first since you know, they hint that the IT’s whole stuff isnt over yet. because it’s spoiler free um u kno. the two Spoiler Characters aren’t . u know. doing the spoiler things. yet.

i still think its funny that they just dance after the world almost ended

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[kob131]

https://sokumotanaka.tumblr.com/post/185075585017/chill-disscussion

Ah yes, because the guy who shat himself in rage because RWBY ended up in the same game as Persona is such a reliable source....

So with death battle’s upcoming Mitsuru vs Weiss match I wanted to talk about, mostly nerd out about mitsuru, look regardless on weather you like rwby or not weiss isn’t on mitsuru’s skill level.

Spoiler Alert: he uses numerous conflicting examples and sources to effectively inflate Mitsuru as a fighter.

(I mean she fought two gods and lived to tell about it.)

Neither of which she is confirmed to fight. That’s the issue with feats like these: they rely on possibility. And it's equally likely that Mitsuru did nothing. Only Makoto is canonically confirmed to fight the Nyx Avatar.

In fact, the closest thing to a canonical representation of the battle was the P3 movie Winter Of Rebirth...where Mitsuru is fighting Shadow hordes, not Nyx who is getting soloed by Makoto. And since Makoto is a Wild Card user. he would be VASTLY more powerful than Mitsuru.

As for Erebus: Again, only one person (Aegis) was required in the fight. So we don’t know.

So let’s talk about mitsuru and then weiss as combatants. Both women fight on teams and manipulate ice in some way. They both summon things That’s about all I can compare, why? cause I took a deep dive into both series, and I’ll be frank, mitsuru fighting gods and monsters that can cause nukes is a feat enough.

That was enough for ‘Yu Vs. Jotaro’...

And again: That’s not confirmed. The only god you could be talking about here is Erebus-

And you know what? I’m just gonna preemptively go full Autism on you.

here’s Erebus’ stats according to the Megami Tensei wiki:

STR: 80 MAG: 75 END: 90 AG: 60 LUC: 70

And here are the stats of all the party memebers in Persona 3 at Level 99:

Junpei: 82 44 69 56 53

Yukari: 50 91 55 55 53

Akihiko: 69 70 55 63 47

Mitsuru: 55 85 52 61 51

Aigis: 61 58 84 56 45

Ken: 55 66 58 70 55

Koromaru: 58 56 58 82 50

Notice something?

The so called ‘mountain crusher’s’ STR stat is LOWER than the best physical attacker and Junpei’s never seen cracking any mountains.

Not just that but Mitsuru also has average agility (which dictates speed and hit rate with physical attacks) and average luck (dictating the success of status attacks) alongside the LOWEST END stat in the game meaning she wouldn’t be able to keep up with Weiss, she’d most likely fail using status attacks since they have a base success rate of 25% and one solid physical hit would do serious damage.

So right there are reasons why Weiss would have a chance if we follow your apparent standards of using gameplay.

But mitsuru is the team’s tactician and well studied in her academics despite fighting monsters, she’s top of her grade, she’s a great fighter and when she returns in persona 4 arena/ultimax she’s kinda insane as a fighter. (going through the full story in both’s massive text walls would take ages But I played through both a few months back and the things they write them capable of doing is insane)

yeah, like saying a monster can crush mountains but is weaker than an above average baseball player?

Then we have a little issue of; she’s not the tactican. Makoto is. Mitsuru is just the boss.

Yeah and? Can see use it in the battlefield?

Most death battle fighters are great fighters.

Also so now we’re using Arena as an example? Does that mean you accept her moveset in that game as canon? Meaning No status moves and no Diarahan?

so I decided to come up with a post (originally a power point before it crapped out) as to why mitsuru at her current skill is just too much for weiss.

So we’re using gameplay as a basis with Mitsuru’s P3 stats and her P4A moveset, judging how you’re talking.

Let’s talk about mitsuru first

Mitsuru kirijo:

Feats/Abilities/skills:

Mitsuru is top of her grade, she’s so good the school often ask her to make speeches for assemblies that rouse the school so much, the principal tried copying them word for word out of jealousy.

And? So is Weiss so which school has higher standards? Also speech giving ability Is not the same as tactical thinking.

Despite also studying for school, she leads and runs S.E.E.S as a tactician (a chairman actually has the final say on everything but she leads them in battle) Her persona is both good for combat and sensory support (meaning she can sense her allies and other people, persona and non persona users)

On and off mind you as you’re only required to go into Tartarus occasionally and extended time in Tartarus will wear out a Persona user.

Meanwhile, Weiss’ studies ARE fighting since she needed to qualify for Beacon so her life has been revolving around being a good fighter.

Mitsuru’s persona can conjure ice in an instant and is completely unaffected but any ice type attacks done to her, she doesn’t even react at all.

She can also heal and is a pretty good healer in battle (When she isn’t casting marin karin! Regardless there’s no rule in death battle that says they can’t heal, the only rule was outside help and with the last handful of death battles some of them had healing factors) 

She can also charm her enemy or cause them to go into panic

Yeah and she’s super weak to fire.

And-wait a minute. Why are you referencing Diarahan and status attacks in the same post as the one where you try citing feats from Arena? Are you just picking choosing what Mitsuru gets?

Mitsuru doesn’t need to use her evoker and can actively summon her persona in the real world. (This is also mentioned in persona 4 arena and shown in battle as mitsuru states she only uses it out of habit.) This is also stated by when she calls her persona in both the game and manga she doesn’t use her evoker.

Bullshit.

This is from Mitsuru’s first battle in Persona 4 Arena. 

And even IF she does summon her Persona without her Envoker here: She’s in a different world. Same in Ultimax.

You’re just lying at this point.

Also: That ice spear doesn’t look very impressive when you remember Weiss summoned an ice WALL that fast in Volume 1. Yeah, if you’re gonna use outlier feats, so will I.

She is able to again as I said snap second conjure ice within seconds in any shape she deems necessary 

Proof and no, the ice mirror from P4A doesn’t count.

Non persona users can’t see persona (one guy remakes on how he sees a silhouette but only cause he’s standing next to her, another character natsuki walks into a battle and can’t see the others persona from the distant she’s at.

And yet in Persona 4 Yosuke reacts to seeing Yu’s Persona awakening.

Her persona Artemisia has a whip that can reach long distances and instantly freeze her opponents, she can also make floating and homing projectiles.

A. That whip thing: proof

And B. Only in Arena which you pick and choose which to use.

Mitsuru herself is remarked as moving faster than the eye can react when others watch her fight her shadow, this is also reflected in her normal combots where she moves faster than the eye can see and can hit a person over 15 times (don’t believe me? watch her combo video)

https://youtu.be/fw-2yn_vKG0

Pretty sure the same thing happened in CTB with Weiss-Point is?

And at one point while fighting naoto a person with a gun who is also a persona user is able to disarm and disable in two fluid motions.

Disarm who? When? under what circumstances? Also a gun shoulding matter if Mitsuru can tank nukes right?

Need I stress mitsuru is incredibly smart, she has to run a magic C.I.A and outsmart a bunch of idiotic men in suits who think she can’t handle it, and had to at one point outsmart detective naoto, which is a feat in itself.

https://sokumotanaka.tumblr.com/post/185075529807

A. She runs it with help

B. You said ‘idiotic’

and C. Your post proves nothing

Weaknesses:

Fire is mitsuru’s weakness and while that sounds like an easy solution remember when weiss’s weapon starts burning with fire, mitsuru is either gonna back off, or disarm her.

That being said it’s her only weakness.

She also has average agility, less versatility, unreliable versatility, no debuffs or buffs aside from Mind Charge, limited mobility, a reliance on her Persona for big attacks and Mitsuru is never shown disarming someone so thee fire weakness is still major point. Especially by P3 standards which would cause her to be dazed and buy Weiss time.

That might seem bogus as being it but mitsuru has a lot of “human” weaknesses that won’t come into the death battle.

as a fight she is the superior, not just because I prefer her but because she’s been doing this longer and has to manage a fighting lifestyle and being a normal woman dealing with people who probably think she’s breaking the law for speaking out of turn with them.

Like what? Are you afraid they’re gonna bring up how Mitsuru and other Persona users tire out in places where they can use their Personas?

Also most of what you said doesn't pertain to Death Battle.

Up’s:

(this here is the things each fighter has against the other in terms of the fight.)

Persona is invisible to weiss

Persona and her ice magic have the superior reach

Mitsuru is older and more experienced

Mitsuru is smarter as she was the tactician of a team while also juggling high school.

Wrong

Unproved

Unsubstainated and unreliable

Unproven

Great upsides

Weiss schnee:

Feats/abilities/skills:

Weiss on the other hand doesn’t have much going for her. (let’s list these first)

Weiss’s semblance

Weiss’s fire dust (albeit finite)

Weiss’s speed glyph

Ignored how her glyphs can be used to leap and jump in air

Ignored how fast her glyphs can make her (stunning Flynt)

Ignored her Wind, Ice and Earth dusts

Ignored her Time Glyph which gave Blake the ability to slice lazer beams in order to cut down missiles in mid flight (outlier feat I know but has that stopped Soku?)

Ignored her Armor Gigas which is shown to be incredibly durable and powerful, slicing apart a Grimm that tanked several boxes of Dust exploding on it without a scratch

Ignored her Queen Lancer giving her projectile attacks, aerial mobility and backup

Ignored her Ice Wall which historically held the stringer of a complex sized scorpion in place for several minutes.

Wow you ignored a lot.

Weaknesses:

Weiss drops her weapon, alot, it happens often.

When weiss is surprised, she freezes up

weiss doesn’t have the experience to fight off mitsuru.

weiss hasn’t fought against opponents on mitsuru’s level or fought against gods/god tier monsters.

Example

Example

Unproven

Neither has Mitsuru

Up’s:

Fire dust

Speed glyph

Summon size change.

And the stunning coming from Fire Dust

And The ice wall giving her a time borrowing option

And the Armor Gigas being stronger physically

And The Queen Lancer being agile, flying and having built inprojectiles

And her Time Glyph giving her a powerful ranged option

And her glyphs giving her far greater mobility

And her speed glyphs giving her a blitz option.

Funny how if you explain shit and pay attention, you see things are actually very even. But hey, Soku’s never been honest when it comes to RWBY so why start now?

Real talk?

Weiss in her one on one fights has lost to all her opponents. White fang lieutenant, Flynt, And Vernal.

All powerful close range combatants. Something Mitsuru is not.

The third whom I must stress is a normal bandit, she doesn’t summon things herself, use magic, she’s not a god trapped in a human body, she’s just a normal woman, and she beats weiss down, while weiss struggles to get afoot and she loses this bout as well.

Let's just ignore how vernal is technically stronger than a complex sized scorpion and was posing as a demigod at the time....

Now I know it seems like I’m only glossing over negatives, which I must stress I’m not doing out of dislike, I took a deep dive-

Bullshit. One look at Persona then RWBY shows you doing the bare minimum for RWBY while giving Mitsuru the best versions of all her elements.

For example super and goku one which has insane feats that the other will never reach, hench each one literally ending with clark winning.

superman just has feats that are too insane.

Superman lifted infinity. Mitsuru help weaken one giant Shadow that was aid to be strong enough to destroy a mountain and yet it's strength stat is weaker than Junpeis. (And before you complain about me using gameplay on a supposed non gameplay feat-Erebus HAS NO non gameplay feats.)

They are nowhere compatible, even in the comparison range.

Weiss can kick some grimm ass, but we’ve yet to see her have a decisive victory against an opponent single combat.

where as we get to see/play (depending on weather you read the manga or play both arena/ultimax (both are canon because it’s the same thing but contextualized as a comic) mitsuru fights people with the same skill as her and comes out on top.

A. By the same standards, Mitsuru is in the same boat as Weiss

B. You’re using Arena as your line for feats but not moveset (or even consistently as feats since you still quote P3)/

And C. Np she didn’t. The investigation team is LESS experienced than Weiss so logically they’d be easier if we accepted your interpretation.

The winner should be Mitsuru with all due respect.

And yet you feel the need to lie about Mitsuru and completely gloss over and lowball Weiss.

God, now i’m scared because not only does this scream ‘Ben and Chad, do as I say or else’ but since you’re lying, it makes it seem like Weiss will WIN in a fair fight.

Word of warning Soku: I will tear you verbally into shreds if you so much as glare at Ben and Chad. And god help you if Dudeblade recognizes your bullshit.

#sokumotanaka

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