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monstersinthecosmos · 7 months

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As a fellow Marius lover, I always find it kind of disheartening how most of the content/fandom talk about him (meta, fic, fanart, etc.) revolves around m/m ships (Marius/Armand in particular but I’d even go as far to include Marius/Daniel here) when, in my opinion, Marius is like the one male character in the VC universe whose relationships with women are far more interesting than his relationships with other men (the only other character might be Lestat but even then it’s pretty 50/50). They’re so monumental and so full of complexities and pain and so much love and they define him and inform his character in ways that I think, his relationships with men simply do not. Interesting/hot under the right circumstances? Sure but like ARE YOU GUYS SEEING THIS MAN??? AND HOW HE RELATES TO WOMEN??? It’s one of the best things Anne ever wrote and I can never get enough of it and it makes me sad how little content there is of it and I feel I can never say this out loud because I would never want to make people feel bad about what they ship (truly not my intention here) but ugh SO MUCH potential there for life changing discourse and meta about Marius and the women he’s loved and lost and have shaped who he is and there’s like… nothing.

Tl;dr the reason I’m sending this ask is because I’m a firm believer that you must be the change you want to see in this world and because YOU get it! And every time you post or write about Marius/Pandora (or Marius/Akasha! Or talk about Marius/Bianca) an angel gets its (black) wings. You are seen, you are loved and appreciated tysm <3

OKAY FIRST OF ALL THIS WAS SUCH A DELIGHT TO GET IN MY INBOX, SECOND IM GOING TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST AND ADMIT I FEEL TOO INCOHERENT TO TACKLE THIS TOPIC HAHA. I don’t feel articulate enough to do it justice. And I don’t say that to be obnoxious and self deprecating but like in all honesty idk how to synthesize it neatly but I think you’re sharing some GREAT IDEAS.

I have to say this in bullet points because I don’t feel equipped to string this into a cohesive post:

Marius was based on Anne’s husband, and Marius/Pandora was based on their marriage!!!!! And I think it explains a lot about why their relationship feels so fuckin POTENT to me, like it’s so genuine!!!!!!! And like knowing that I think it makes sense why she wrote him so HOT lol. Like she’s just writing thirsty stuff about her husband right? LOL

Also like insofar as there’s a lot of genderfluidity in VC there’s also something vaguely misogynist about it at times. And Anne Rice was a mega feminist and her work had so much womens lib in it!!!!! So I don’t think it’s intended as misogyny at all vs. Anne having conversations about gender and maybe her own relationship to gender. I think enough characters have said vaguely misogynist stuff that it makes me think it’s an Anne Problem vs being Watsonian. (This is also a historical/time period issue and we can discuss another time if and when vampires are supposed to break out of that when they transcend humanity and social constructs even when they’re still saying weird sexist shit at their big ages.) But I say that to say all VC characters are a tad sexist, even if perhaps she was writing with the intention of her own male power fantasy/male superiority/penis envy. AND THAT MAKES MARIUS VERY INTERESTING.

Cause like really the three main ladies in his life (Akasha, Pandora, Bianca) DO define him so much! And we don’t see him pine for Armand the way he did for any of them! Why!!!

Like there’s that aspect of sexism where women can be infantilized by men who don’t think they’re being unkind and it makes me wonder, especially when the author is a boomer, like where is that line between condescension and respect? I don’t have an answer here, this is too big-brained for me LOL but like he is SO devoted to the women in his life and I just wonder like if he sees them as creatures unlike himself, you know?

This is headcanon territory but I bet he’s such a fucking sub to Pandora lol and it just thrills me that he spent 2000 years begging Akasha for affection and she ignored him the whole damn time wow. And he continued to simp!

AND ALSO LIKE, I think people DO NOT DISCUSS THIS OFTEN ENOUGH, but did we forget that he chose Armand because he needed a Bianca rebound? He was absolutely TORTURED by his love for Bianca and picked Armand because he didn’t want to kill her oh my god. Oh my god!!! HE KEPT HER LETTER IN HIS POCKET OVER HIS HEART OKAY??? HE DIDN’T WANT TO DRAG HER INTO HIS COLD AND FATAL DOMAIN????? Fuck lol

It’s so fucked up that he didn’t go after Armand but spent like actual fucking millennia trying to find Pandora. HE KNEW EXACTLY WHERE ARMAND WAS AND LEFT HIM THERE LOL BUT PANDORA HAUNTED HIM EVERY NIGHT OF HIS LIFE FOR CENTURIES.

After everything he wound up spending like 200 years with Bianca or something and ?????? CORRECT because Bianca was the fledgling he actually wanted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it’s odd, I know I’ve said this 337589235 times, but Marius like. Has an idea of the person he wants to be and he tries SO HARD to live by logic & reason and he just can’t reconcile with the fact that he has EMOTIONS. And so like part of the person he wants to be like, open/empathetic/wise and he begs his lovers/students/fledglings to CHALLENGE HIM when he’s not actually healed enough to be challenged? And to me there’s something kinda like, extra spicy about it when you’re in Rice World and you’re a lil sexist; how much that burns EXTRA when it’s Pandora or Bianca sticking up to you or AKASHA FUCKIN IGNORING YOU.

Just really incredible that this person who is like the epitome of a patriarch has such fucked up relationships with all the women in his life. And like he underestimates these women, like the way he tries to manipulate Bianca and she leaves him! PANDORA AND AKASHA ARE UNAVAILABLE TO HIM AND BIANCA FUCKIN LEAVES.

akasSHA JUST IGNROING HIM!! JUST STRAIGHT UP FUCKIN IGNORING HIM FOR 2,000 YEARS!!!! HE'S OBSESSED WITH HER!

Anyway Enkil is ignoring him too but he doesn’t give a shit about that guy tbh lol

Also the amount of space he gives Eudoxia and Zenobia in his book like there’s more here too but tbh it’s midnight and I can’t start unpacking. I just think like, in 2000 years it’s interesting how Eudoxia wound up having such a lasting impact on his life.

I did just peek at the Eudoxia part and I’m dying, he goes “Her face was small, oval, and as close to perfection as anything I've ever beheld, even though she bore no resemblance to Pandora who was for me perfection itself.” CERTIFIED WIFE GUY.

What kinda mommy issues are we dealing with here? HIS MOTHER WAS A SLAVE THAT DIED IN CHILDBIRTH AND HE INHERITED HER GENES AND LOOKED LIKE HER AND DIDN’T LOOK LIKE HIS FATHER & BROTHERS? AND HE’S SORT OF AN OUTCAST AS A HUMAN LIKE ? THE STIGMA HERE? AND THEN HE SPENDS 2000 YEARS WORSHIPPING HIS NEW MOTHER??? PERHAPS YOU COULD SAY ENSLAVED TO HER? IDK MAN.

IS THIS ALSO WHY HE WAS SO OBSESSED WITH LOSING PANDORA?

The irony too, and something I think a lot of people miss, is that he DIDN’T WANT TO MARRY PANDORA LOL. He wanted to be betrothed to a child so that he could FUCK OFF and NOT get married because she wasn’t old enough to get married! He fucked off! He went exploring! He said this is not for me!

AND TO GO OUT INTO THE WORLD AND BE MURDERED BY HIS MOTHERS PEOPLE???? IDK.

I’m not sure how these last two points tie into anything but I just wanted to mention his complicated relationship with Pandora and his own heritage lol. And then Akasha like DELIVERS Pandora to him because she’s like “wow this guy needs somebody lol and I am not emotionally available” — Akasha who was famously a violent genocidal radfem and who would not approve of his relationship with Armand but explicitly allowed him to have Pandora and Bianca. IDK WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN!

Did Akasha approve of these women because she knew Marius was completely pussywhipped and would worship them and she wanted to see someone mommydom the fuck out of him and she knew that Armand would never be that person? 🫢

And again I want to say like, taking the author into consideration!! Anne Rice had a HORRIFIC relationship with her mom so you see these themes pop up occasionally in her work. DESPITE ALL OF THAT SHE IS STILL A FEMINIST AND WRITES ABOUT MATRILINEAR FAMILIES like The Great Family or the Mayfairs. But thinking about Mothers in Anne Rice Works makes me think a lot about this like, the damage they can do and the voids they can leave even when you’re a feminist and love women! You see a TON of this with Gabrielle and I always think that Lestat & Marius are such similar characters that you can do a lot of extrapolating or backwards engineering to ask questions about them and how they work, since we get SO MUCH Lestat POV in this series to work with and how we can zoom out sometimes and ask like, what is common across her entire body of work and what is more specifically common between Lestat & Marius and WHAT EVEN MORE INTERESTINGLY is a result that they were both based on her husband in their inceptions.

Like how much of this has to do with Marius’s actual feelings towards men vs women on purpose, or how much was subconscious author bias, how much was simply that Anne Rice based him on her husband and she was THIRSTY, idk. It’s always hard to say in VC because Anne was such an intuitive and self-indulgent author and the stories are so weird!!! So your mileage may vary!

But I agree with you that these are FASCINATING relationships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I like Marius/Armand too (I recently made a post about how I didn’t “””””ship”””” them but then I spent 2 months working on a M/A fic every day and now I think I’ve corrupted and converted myself LMAO) but yeah like. There’s such a lack of substance between them in the end. He treats Armand like he’s temporary, fucks up and moves on, and it’s such a departure from how DEVOTED he was with all his other partners.

Wow I didn’t think I had a lot to say, sorry about that. !!! EVERY TIME I BROUGHT A POINT UP I THOUGHT OF 5 MORE POINTS GOSH I COULD TALK ABOUT MARIUS ALL DAY.

#tldr he has mommy issues #marius de romanus #vampire chronicles #thank you hekateinhell for discussing this with me in DM so that i could scream and yell and make sense of it!#hekate is mommy issues expert she helped unlock some bonus points!#deep ass thoughts about vampires #also i wanted to keep fandom discourse out of this bc i dont got time but this is like #such a timeless topic in fandom spaces about the popularity of mlm ships vs het or wlw ships #and like what that all means #it's been discussed to death and i don't think it's a condemnation of fandom at all #it just is what it is #so this is always going to be the case when it comes to fandoms & female characters #but i think people need to stop complaining about shit like that HAHA #fandom is a potluck yknow #like you gotta participate and make your own contributions too #marius is already such a divisive character i'm not gonna split hairs about who we're shipping him with LMAO THE POOL IS ALRAEDY TOO SHALLO #but i would love to put more bianca & pandora content into the world!!!#and like you i do not want this to sound like i'm being salty abotu what anyone ships! it's all good my dudes!#akasha #akasha/marius #bianca solderini #marius/bianca #pandora #marius/pandora

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bloodydeanwinchester · 1 year

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hmmm not sure how i feel about this but i just counted and the only seasons that i could think of that didn't have either a dean death, very near death, or dean trying to find a way to kill himself were s4 and s8....

#in s7 i counted going to purgatory as a near death because technically he didn't die but he was thought to be dead for a year #s1 faith and s2 in my time of dying are near deaths #3 5 6 9 11 12 13 and 15 all had actual deaths #and s10 and s14 both had dean trying to find a way to die #so that just leaves s4 and s8 unless im forgetting something from those seasons too #this is one thing that makes me so mad about the ending they gave him. how are you going to take the dude who just spent 15 years either #dying or trying to die and then give him a “happy ending” where he dies???? it was honestly the least interesting ending they could have #given him #like jackles said when dean lives THAT will be good tv #cw dean's death #tw suicide

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taegularities · 9 months

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#tw death #it's past midnight in india so happy birthday to my late cousin 💕 he would've been 27 today #i know we all say that about ppl that leave but i really do mean it when i say that #he was incredibly kind and would do things for you no questions asked when you asked for a favour #was just there for people in general and v loved and diligent and a hard worker #also very snarky and annoying and stoopid at times lmao but truly a good person who left wayyyy too early #but anyway #i'm not religious and don't believe in a lot of superstitious things but i do hope there's smth after death that gives you comfort #so hope he's alright !! for now let's wish him a happy birthday bc that dude loveeees the attention 😁💕#personal

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bonefall · 9 months

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The really sad thing about the narrative of DOTCs is I can legit see Bumble and Grey Wing becoming Friends. Instead the authors put Grey against her because in the distance future Firestar has to be the special lil guy and break the kittypet bloodline weakness curse or something (still love ya Fire.)

I'm not sure... I think the Gray Wing they wrote is so nasty and spiteful that he was always going to hate Bumble, because she "took" his romantic interest from him. I think to like Gray Wing, you have to like a completely new character.

He isn't wise, at all. He's actually completely oblivious. To Clear Sky, to his partners, to his adopted children's feelings. He has a couple nice interactions with Pebble Heart and that's about it.

His emotions are constantly clouding his judgement. Spite towards Bumble, adoration for Clear Sky, frustration at Turtle Tail coming down from heaven because she can't stay (???)

Complete misogynist. Judges female characters much more harshly than male characters around him, even going so far as to feel happy that Wind Runner has no ambition while she's nursing her kittens.

Tried to "comfort" her when her baby passed away by telling her "we can't save everyone and maybe it's for the best it died. Anyway it would be easier for you if you believed in Jesus."

This isn't even getting into the constant ridiculing of fat people and Chelford cats.

He's everything that sucks about male WC protags in a little bundle. Sad boy who has to get rewarded for all his "romantic suffering" with a womb to incubate his 'real' children after being a moron at best and a jackass at worst for 6 books.

I just can't see the character they wrote maintaining a friendship with Bumble. He seems like he'd come up with some stupid reason to dislike her and smugly cap it off with, "and that's that!" like he did when he was berating Turtle Tail for even thinking about going to live with her. And then the writers make everyone clap.

#which is why I decided to write the guy I wish he could have been #I think there's a good story in how badly his judgement gets blinded by Clear Sky #But you can't have that unless you commit to Clear being a villain.#If he's not a villain and you TRULY can just beg someone enough until the Goodness Deep Down springs up like a geyser--#--Then Gray Wing was correct to keep pumping for it when everyone else gave up #the narrative Rewards this incredibly destructive behavior #i mean giving them enough credit to even string two thoughts together lmao. according to the arc it was actually too much responsibility #(and then he never has less responsibility Ever)#no same dude. i also remember becoming class president and ripping out my friend derek's kidneys with my teeth #been there #dotc hate #tw child death

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inkybinkyboink · 7 months

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hi ok unpopular thought but you can tell when a cis/het person is playing a queer character because they always prioritize the queerness of their character over anything else

#like were in the middle of urinetown auditions #and this guy is auditioning for barrell #and i am too #and now i dont particularly care #like none of this is to say that his or anyone else's performance is bad or lesser than #but barrell is gay and like you can tell watching this kid perform that that fact is at the forefront of his mind #we were talking abt it later and he was like “yeah your barrell was like really snarky” and im like YEAH bro he kills ppl for a living #like hes not walking around constantly thinking about how hes gay #no gay person walks around fronting the fact that theyre gay #like i dont go to the mall thinking 'i am gay and going to the mall' dude no i just go to the fucking mall #i have a love hate relationship with cis/het performers who play queer characters because you could pull it off???#but youre lacking the subtleties #youre lacking the timing of when these things actually come into play #and again i really do hope this dude the best like honest to god if he gets the part thats great and i know he'll get there like i am #not the one directing this show and i trust the director completely #and im just using that as an example #but you see it in other things too #you can see it in good omens 2 and the danish girl and call me by your name #now compare it to something like cabaret and alan cummings portrayal of emcee #and you can tell theres a level of understanding there thats lacking in the other ones. our flag means death is also another really good #example. while rhys darby and taika waititi arent gay david jenkins is and it comes across in his writing that this is someone who #understands the queer experience and writes in a way that makes it possible for cis/het performers to understand what theyre playing with #turnip rants #delete later probably #all opinions and statements are my own we can coexist

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adhdslugcrimes · 1 year

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A roleplay long ago I did with a person on Wattpad, sadly lost contact with them so dude if you see this,,, hit me up. I'm still obsessed with this scene,,,

Bruce: you're five minutes late, West. Don't you want to see these young heroes to have the best example of being a hero who's on time, what type of role model are you trying to be?

Wally, taking off his suit and fidget with the Ring: a role model that doesn't need to rely on child labor and/or traumatized children wanting to let them be kids and help the meta kiddos control their abilities but not to just send them to wars but so they can live happily not in fear of themselves. Guess the Robin's are just replaceable, huh?

Bruce: West, you take that back or you're kicked off league.

Wally: I was leaving anyways, here's my paperwork. *Hands it over* I don't work for people who allow the killer of the sweetest boy run free, nor the treatment you give my birdie. I'd tell you where to shove it but there's children here, oh, my bad, you call them child soldiers.

Bruce, crumpled up the paper: you're just acting like this because of Dick, he's overreacting.

Wally: overreacting? Grieving his baby brother is not overreacting, you heartless monster—

Bruce, yelled: I'm not a monster!

Wally: than why did you kick him out of your house when he stayed in Jay's room? Why did you beat him for wanting to keep something to remind him of Jay? Why is the fucking Joker still breathing when that little boy isn't!? Tell me Bruce, lie to me like you lie on the news.

Bruce, in Wally's face: I'm grieving over him just as much as he is, I didn't lie about it. I loved that kid to death, I tried to saved him. I did.

Wally: then why is that bastard still breathing.

Bruce: get out. Get the fuck out!

Wally: don't have to tell me twice.

#dick grayson #wally west #bruce wayne #birdflash #cw death #jason todd #angsty #bro if i could find that dude so i could write our rp we had #like i was on the edge of my seat this is just a snip it of it god it was so good #Bruce Wayne slander #we both just said fuck you Bruce like the whole time #like Bruce went batshit insane at one point like #AND HIS DICK OH MY GOD HIS DICK WAS SO GOOD HE WAS SO TRAUMATIZED BUT WANTING TO MAKE THINGS WRITE #league also was like tyrannical and it was just these two a a few handful of people helping them take the league down #so much lost too god it was hurt no comfort for awhile #dude if you see this hit me up bro we need to talk about this again #there's like five scenes I'm obsessed with like i might post those four scenes left idk

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