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nancyfilm · 2 years

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the love triangle (script analysis)

the scripts are out and we've all seen the conversation between steve and nancy and quite franky, it doesn't make any sense at all. we all know nancy wheeler - the literal ambitious, caring and independent icon - the "six little nuggets" and being a housewife seems like nancy's nightmares, not something that would spark her interest.

"...jonathan who?" the jonathan who gave up his dream since he was a kid so he would take care of his family and let nancy live her dream. the jonathan who nancy held in her arms when his brother was possesed. the jonathan that saved nancy from the upside down. the jonathan who comforted nancy about her best friend's death. the jonathan who drove nancy home after she drank too much and made sure she was safe. the jonathan that was the only person who believed nancy, when nobody else did. the jonathan who she bled with and with who she has matching scars. yeah, that jonathan.

nancy loves jonathan and jonathan loves nancy. jonathan's speech to argyle and nancy's speech to fred on why they love eachother is really beautiful and in no way, shape or form useless or not important. this just seems very out of character for nancy and i really don't know where they were going with this. i think she was just impressed with how more mature steve is, he always said that he has no idea where his life would go, so when she heard that he was doing well and having plans about his life, of course she was happy for him. ultimately, she freaked out when he said that she is in his little plan.

they didn't build jancy for four seasons just to make them fall apart because of this little talk. i just hope in season five they will finally resolve this love triangle for the better and give happiness to all of those three characters, they all deserve to be happy and safe. we were worried about the wrong byler guys 😭

update : the scripts were fake! there's nothing to worry about, jancy endgame !! <3

#duffers i am in your walls #jancy #byler #stranger things #nancy wheeler #jonathan byers

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steddielations · 1 year

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The thing is, Steve also ran for the hills the first time he faced the stuff of nightmares the upside down threw at him. The only reason he stopped on his tracks and decided to go back and fight was because people he cared for -Nancy and Jonathan- were still alive and in grave danger in the Buyers house. There were still people he could save. Chrissy had died in front of Eddie and he couldn’t have done anything to prevent that. Running wasn’t even a choice, it was the only possible reaction because for all Eddie knew back then, he was going to be next.

Steve could’ve have said that, was going to say that. "Don’t be so hard on yourself, man- " I ran too.

But.

Eddie interrupted him. Way too consumed by his guilt to let someone reach out and tell him he deserved to live.

Yes exactly, I wish Eddie wouldn't have cut Steve off when Steve told him to give himself a break. That could've been such a nice moment of Steve actually getting to talk about how it all really does affect him too and Eddie getting to reconcile with his survivor's guilt. They could've had a moment of bonding and connecting over that and maybe it would've made Eddie more inclined to listen later on when Steve tells him he doesn't need to be a hero, but the writers had a different agenda sadly

#duffers i am never leaving your walls #steddie #eddie munson #steve harrington #stranger things #anon #asks

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scoopsgf · 7 months

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do you guys think that in s2 when will said “let me go” it wasn’t just the mind flayer trying to escape, but maybe also teeny tiny twelve year old will begging for his family to let him go, as in die, but then mike wheeler said “it was the best thing i’d ever done” about making friends with him? anyway.

#stranger things #byler #will byers #mike wheeler #they make me sick to my tummy #thinking about how depressed will has been his entire life is so haunting #he hates himself for loving someone ….. that is so fucked up. duffers i am in your walls

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andiwriteordie · 2 years

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if 2024 comes and ya’ll have gaslit me into believing the monologue was a work of art and excellent storytelling only for it to turn out to be all for nothing i’m gonna be so mad

#byler #damn it guys #it feels too good to be true #BUT THE SYNCED UP SCENES #COME ON #HOW CAN THIS NOT BE INTENTIONAL #duffers i am in your walls

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bylermyheart · 2 years

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The fact that the first real moment Will and Mike have alone together and they just start flirting with each other. I mean…

#these bitches gay #will byers #byler #mike wheeler #mike wheeler i know what you are #will smiles slyly #Mike smiles #will blushes #BRUH #duffers what is the meaning of this if it’s not gay???!!?#I’m in your walls

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g3othermal3scapism · 1 year

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the fact that the duffer bros have the power to change queer media forever right now is so crazy to me. like they could either write one of the craziest, greatest queer slow burn romances ever, or the worst more horrific gut-wrenching queerbait ever and i think either way i will need to be sedated when season 5 comes out.

#byler #stranger things #this is actually so wild #both scenarios will have me bawling my eyes out #i cant wait for mike and will to sob while kissing eachother and making queer history forever #also cant wait for will to maybe be the Sad Unrequited Gay Bsf in love with Straight bsf strope #duffers i am in your walls #i am begging #i cant handle another angsty queerbait #not after IT and the goldfinch and Everything Else Ever #byler canon #!!!!!!

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lordystrange · 1 year

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Excuse me mrs byers?? You remember your son’s birthday now?

#byler #will byers birthday #birthdaygate #will byers #joyce byers #duffers i am in your walls

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apricxtt · 11 months

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ahem ahem

for all my hopeless ronance shippers, i offer this

i mean,, look at how Robin's looking at her.

And that's just one example!

There has to be something more to this, something beneath the surface, some subtext.

Even if Robin is given a romance path or storyline with Vickie, there will always that underlying something for the most of us.

The Duffer Brothers know what they're doing.

#ronance #sobbing #they're secretly girlfriends #causeee i say so #duffers sleep with one eye open #duffers i am in your walls #duffer brothers #suffer brothers

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kittyphoenix12-xx · 2 years

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i do find it amusing tho that many people think that the billy/jon parallels were deliberate on the duffers part and not dacre fucking montgomery making billy a real person

#stranger things #not only are you wrong #but you are very wrong #duffers i am in your walls #billy hargrove #billy hargrove deserved better #jonathan byers #i love them both equally #they are my favs #but they are not comparable #dacre montgomery

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ariesbilly · 1 year

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The way neil just flung baby billys ass across the floor with zero hesitation like I’m gonna be sick and I need to kill him

#LIKE WHAT IF BILLY TRIPPED INTO SOMETHING WHAT IF HE HAD KNOCKED HIS ASS OUT HITTING HIS HEAD #NEIL WAS SO CARELESS WITH HIM AND HE WAS SO LITTLE I CANT DO THIS #@duffers I am in your walls

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gayofthefae · 1 year

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Just dissociated into my GA persona again - one of the better/more accurate feeling times this time - and watched the van scene.

And I think it’s function is supposed to be for Mike to finally start to get it and get what’s going on with Will. It being about getting Will’s feelings across to the audience feels a lot more fourth-wall-break-y. If you’ve been paying attention, you already know based on all the lingering stares and lingering camera shots on them and his reactions even when he’s not doing them. His reactions to Mike have been really emphasized. But even so, it can serve both purposes: putting us and Mike in the same shoes. And there is no/minimal informational purpose of a scene that is just two characters being oblivious to each other when it doesn’t even cause a miscommunication. And within just volume 2, without knowledge of season 5 - which is, of course, how it is meant to be watched: chronologically - the implication is that this scene only exists to reaffirm Will’s feelings to the audience (an insufficient motive if it is has such little affect on the characters if you ask me) and to help give Mike the confidence to tell El he loves her. But if that was the only goal it would have been done without the emphasis on Will’s personal feelings.

In the past, Mike’s said things and regretted them because he knew they hit on insecurities of Will’s and were just generally not super cool things to say and that’s why he felt bad. But he never knew Will’s specific or personal feelings before. Just inferred that it would hurt based on his knowledge of how Will’s been treated and Will’s immediate facial reaction.

But in this one, the entire scene, Mike is entranced. He’s listening to every word. I’ve said before that he avoids interrupting like he’s scared it’ll ruin it - treating it like new information that is fragilely and vulnerably being delivered to him unlike the claim that Will is just repeating it. The entire scene, Mike is entranced. He’s listening to every word. I’ve said before that he avoids interrupting like he’s scared it’ll ruin it - treating it like new information that is fragilely and vulnerably being delivered to him unlike the claim that Will is just repeating it. He’s gaining new information. And that would also be applicable to just the information about El - if it weren’t for the way he looks at Will. And I don’t just mean in a romantic sense. In fact, I mostly wouldn’t consider it one inherently. It’s more about the up and down looks - examining Will’s face - putting the focus on Will. How Will is saying it; what Will’s micro-expressions mean for the subtext of the information - as if how Will feels about the information has bearing on the information itself. Which wouldn’t be true unless Mike believes that Will is truly the one delivering it.

He is invested in other conversations with Will. He has been the whole rest of the season. And many of them have been emotionally intimate in a similar positive way to this one. But he has always made steady eye contact with him. He has kept that mutual intimacy through eye contact. This time, he’s analyzing Will visually, looking all across his face for answers, he’s darting back to the painting every time El is mentioned...he’s having A LOT harder of a time processing this information. Will in the scene where he’s packing is a great example of being relieved by hearing something you want to hear that gives your confidence back after a fight. He does not break eye contact. He just takes in the moment. He lets it be until it’s interrupted externally. But Mike isn’t doing it. He’s almost looking like he wants to get out of it not to stop the flow of information but just to escape into his own head (which he seems to do in the end). Will is the one more invested in the actual conversation. At the end, he too wants to break off because he needs to cry in private. He wants to break off for a similar reason of being alone with himself to process everything. But while he is trying to juggle processing it emotionally, Mike is trying to juggle processing it logically. He doesn’t want the flow of information to stop. And he is entranced. His full attention is on Will. Even when he glances away, it’s only in a dash because he is holding his focus and taking everything in, trying not to miss anything, and taking it in emotionally - things like why Will pushed him away.

I’d also like it noted that before this, they were also having quite an intimate conversation! An emotional one about how Mike feels and his deep insecurities. Will hadn’t talked much during it but when he did, this was not how Mike treated it. He didn’t treat it as morsels of invaluable information. He treated it like a normal response in a conversation. And yes, Will’s speech is more important information but still. During the speech, his faces aren’t so ambiguous for the audience. No good art is truly created for its audience. The characters in this have motives. Just like we may be placed in his shoes with Will even for those who knew to have confirmation, we are being placed in his here as well. It is ambiguous because he is confused. He doesn’t know how to react internally. He’s still just taking it all in trying not to miss anything vital.

Will’s words aren’t romantic. But the fact that he passes them off as Will’s is. And the fact that he would feel the need to hide them at all is too. Mike knows this. And he doesn’t know what to do with it. And he doesn’t know what to do with the fact that he doesn’t know what to do with it. Because one fact ABOUT not knowing what to do with it is that he doesn’t immediately know. He doesn’t immediately reject the idea mentally. He doesn’t KNOW that the answer is no - even a kind no. A mental “no” is fairly immediately. You just know these things. Of course, this is all just speculation. The entire point is that Mike’s face is unreadable from his confusion. We don’t GET any reactions from him. That’s. the point.

Until the end. He only responds one time, one word. And it’s to look for confirmation. It seems like a close to the information he’s getting: a concluding statement; an answer to his previous words. So he speaks for the first time. “Yeah?” “Yeah.”

And he’s happy.

HE’S HAPPY with this. He isn’t still confused - I’m sure he is still processing, he goes back to the painting immediately after and continues looking over it (providing motive to look back up at Will, preoccupied enough to not notice Will is crying when looking back up at him, and/or see it and not be able to emotionally or decide he can’t situationally help). But his emotions are visible here. If we’re meant to be seeing Will’s feelings here. And we’re meant to have seen nothing from Mike indicating feelings for Will previous to this. The information we get is still clear: Will has feelings for Mike. And Mike is happy.

I don’t think it was delivered this way so that Mike doesn’t know about Will’s feelings. I think it was delivered this way so that Will doesn’t know that Mike knows.

And this also indicates to me that Mike didn’t know before this. About any of it. We know from an interview with Finn Wolfhard that Mike was, as of Vol 1 to note, completely oblivious. I am applying this to his own feelings as well. One can act in reaction to their feelings without being consciously aware of them. Mike’s reactions in the van scene are almost universally to himself. You don’t do that that much unless you have A LOT to say to yourself. And you don’t have that much to say to yourself if you’ve already had time to think on your own feelings - even if you have a lot of very confusing feelings. No, Mike is grappling with the concept itself. I don’t know that he has logically come to a conclusion by the end of it - in fact he probably hasn’t - but he does have an immediate emotional reaction upon coded confirmation.

And this gives Mike time. He knows what Will feels now, so he confirms within Will’s code. He doesn’t ask “do you agree”, he keeps Will safe in his code. But he can clearly see and hear the emotion in the way Will answers. That’s the confirmation he needed. And this way, he keeps Will in the dark about him knowing. He gives himself time to sort it all out. And I’m not analyzing the reasons he does what he later does right now but I will say I know this: he does it in an effort to sort it out. Whether that be just to do what he has to in the moment or out of suppression. And I can also say that when Will telling him to tell El he loves her seems to hurt him. Right now, I don’t think because he takes it as a rejection, but rather because he understands more than we give him credit for. He understands what Will is sacrificing. That Will is hurting himself. He might have thought during the van scene that it was meant as a coded confession. A confession with a fallback plan. But now he sees that it wasn’t. That it was actually a secret always meant to stay a secret. That Will’s confession wasn’t him dipping his toe in the water. It was him being as self-indulgent as he would ever allow himself to be.

So now the ball is in Mike’s court. And he knows it. And he already bought himself as much time as he needs. There are loads of other factors including how he takes much of the information covered and not in this post. Who knows if he takes Will’s self-sacrifice as an invitation or a rejection, for example. But ultimately: Mike is the only one who can make a move, he is on his own time to do it, and he knows it. Now it’s just up to what he’ll do with that information.

a little analysis backtracking into s1-3 to explain his oblivion in the tags

#broke: duffers i am in your walls #woke: mike wheeler i am in you skull #mike wheeler sexuality analysis #<< i didn't cover anything pre season 4 but i think it comes down to he plain and simple didn't know himself or will's feelings and is just #bi boy acting out of impulse and knee jerk reaction to his feelings like a kid does #and this year that had way more consequences #because he was so genuinely frustrated by not knowing why he was doing what he was doing to hurt people #why he said and didn't say things #i don't think he was juggling #because i don't think any of it was calculated or some failed calculation #i think he just didn't know anything so he didn't know why it was all happening #he couldn't balance it all because he didn't know he needed to or even WHAT he was balancing #maybe there is no big conspiracy #maybe he's just a dumb kid who doesn't know what he's doing #everything was a knee jerk reaction #but now he knows more #and it can't be anymore #and season 5 is gonna be really interesting because NOW he's gonna be making thought through decisions #or trying too #he could still just be processing and mulling over it for a while before he even does anything #he could spend the whole season deciding #who knows #but we know and he knows now that there are decisions to be made #and his reactions and actions will all be informed now #and maybe he'll just exchange knee jerk for frantic to get it right #but it is different now #stranger things #van scene #byler povs #mike knows

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