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#i love spyfall (this is about doctor who of course)
frogmascquerade · 11 months
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nipuni · 2 months
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Happy finishing Dr Who!
I saw you've been watching other David Tennant things - have you seen his and Catherine Tate's version of much ado about nothing? Very good chaotic vibes and I highly reccomend. It's on the internet archive.
Do you have any favourite dr who eps?
Thank you so much!! 🥰 We have and we love it! So far from his filmography we have watched: Taking Over the Asylum, Blackpool, Casanova, Einstein and Eddington, Hamlet, Much Ado About Nothing, Richard II, Decoy Bride, The Escape Artist, Broadchurch, Mad to be Normal, Around the World in 80 Days, Inside Man, Good Omens and Doctor Who of course 😊
As for favourite DW episodes ooohhh there are so so many, let me pull up a list so I can go in season order 😆
S1: Father's day, The empty child/The doctor dances, Bad wolf/The parting of the ways
S2: The Christmas Invasion, New Earth, The Girl in the Fireplace, The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit, Army of Ghosts/Doomsday
S3: Gridlock, 42, Human Nature/The Family of Blood, Blink, Utopia/The Sound of Drums/The Last of the Time Lords
S4: Voyage of the Damned, Fires of Pompeii, The Doctor's Daughter, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, Midnight, Turn left
Specials 2008: The Next Doctor, The Waters of Mars, The End of Time I and II
S5: The Beast Below, Vincent and the Doctor, The Lodger, The Big Bang
S6: A Christmas Carol, The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People, The Girl Who Waited, The Wedding of River Song
S7: The Rings of Akhaten, Hide, The Name of the Doctor, The Day of the Doctor
S8: Deep Breath, Listen, Mummy on the Orient Express
S9: Last Christmas, Under the Lake, The Zygon Inversion, Heaven Sent, The Husbands of River Song
S10: The Pilot, Oxygen, The Pyramid at the End of the World, World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls, Twice Upon a Time
S11: It Takes You Away
S12: Spyfall part I, Fugitive of the Judoon, The Haunting of Villa Diodati
S13: The Halloween Apocalypse, Eve of the Daleks, The Power of the Doctor
Specials 2023: Wild Blue Yonder
and if I had to pick my most favourites I think they would beeee The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Doomsday, The Family of Blood, Blink, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, Midnight, The waters of Mars, The End of time I and II, The day of the Doctor, Heaven Sent, The doctor falls and Wild Blue Yonder 🥰
This ended up being so long I'm so sorry 😭 AHH we are already rewatching and loving it even more the second time so this list will just get longer over time lmao
Thank you for the message!! I had so much fun answering this 😊❤️
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agent-barnes40 · 4 months
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Can't Catch Me Now
title from Olivia Rodrigo's song by the same name
Part 1
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13th Doctor x GN!Reader (Assumed Platonic by reader, Assumed Romantic by Doctor)
Dhawan!Master X GN!Reader (Romantic)
ANGST, Suggestive, fluff, hurt/comfort
Majorly follows the events of Spyfall!
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You had pulled an Amelia Pond, been the first face her face had seen, and then just disappeared. She noticed immediately, of course she had, but she became so focused on going with the rest of the Fam to wherever the men in the black cars.
When she landed with Graham at O's shack, she didnt expect to see you walking out with bottles of water for the Australian secret service. Graham looked between The Doctor and you as you shook your head at Seesay and Browning. "Not projections or mirrors, full alien tech, that's my Doctor for ya."
O grabbed your hand and gripped it, a soft smile on your face as you turned to look at him. "She decoded the fish you put together." You whispered softly, and pressed a kiss to his cheek. "Hey Doc! Hey Graham! I've got tea going for you guys."
"How did you get here before us?" Graham asked while The Doctor pulled you away from O and scanned you with the sonic screwdriver.
"Did you forget? I had The Doctor drop me off at the airport, I'm here visiting my boyfriend." You gestured toward O who gave a little wave. "Sorry, love, didn't expect her and Graham to freak out like this."
O shook his head, waving his hand around. "Don't worry. Once all of this is over, I can have you to myself."
The Doctor looked between you and O, questions ringing throughout her head, betrayal shooting to the top of all her emotions but she shook it away as she had to focus.
~
Browning and Seesay were dead and O was covering your body with his as the alien in the tube started to glow even more. "Don't look, love. It wont hurt you." His head had landed next to your ear, his voice dropping from the O voice he had been using to his regular rumble.
You had to hide how his voice affected you pretty quickly when you heard The Doctor whisper out Yaz's name and you turned to look, your heart dropping. He hadn't said the Kasaavin could do that. The Doctor hurried to get Yaz out while O helped her. Graham looked just as scared as you were. "I'm sure the Doc is gonna go get Ryan as soon as her and O get Yaz out."
~
You wore a deep purple outfit, ignoring how The Doctor wanted everyone to wear black. You and O had made sure to separate yourselves as you were dragged with The Doctor as the fam separated, you sending a pointed look to O. The Doctor had you stood next to her as you drank the champagne that was being handed out. "So, you and O?"
"Yes, me and O. What's there to talk about?" You asked, tilting your head and looking at her.
"You never told me you had a boyfriend." The Doctor said, looking at you.
"I told you that I had a boyfriend." You said, straightening up when you saw Barton. "Lets go."
~
You got in the car with Barton, your happy go lucky attitude dropping when he rounded on you. "You are working for her?"
"The Doctor is my friend, Barton. I may be with The Master but that doesn't mean I go dropping my friends for a man." You snapped, staring him down. Barton sighed and you got ready to play the rest of your part.
As the car drove into the hanger, Barton pushed you out and you rolled across the asphalt, gaining road rash where your skin was exposed and you took a minute to breathe through the pain. The Doctor and O were at your sides when their motorcycles fully stopped and you clutched onto O. "I'm okay. I'm okay. Fuck that hurts."
"Hey, no cursing." The Doctor said, immediately as she scanned you with the Sonic, assessing your injuries. You stood up with the help of O as the rest of the Fam came running over. Your outfit was ripped, of course and your hands were bleeding a bit but you shook it off. "We need to follow Barton."
The Doctor looked at you for a moment before looking at her sonic and then pointing it to the top of the hanger door as the group of you waited for it to open it enough.
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You had pulled O up into the plane, giving him a look. 'I'm really getting done with all this pain, Master.'
O looked at The Doctor and waved a hand. "Sorry. I've never been good at sprinting."
'You were the one who wanted to play the part of getting tossed out of the car.'
The Doctor looked between the two of you as you and O headed with the rest of the group into the plane, O panting softly as you watched him. "What?"
'Shut up!'
Ryan called attention to The Doctor, pulling her deeper into the plane with the rest of you. The Doctor looked at O. "You've never been good at sprinting?"
'Ready pet?'
O shrugged and ran a hand through his hair. "I was the last one in every race at school."
'As I'll ever be, Master.'
The Doctor started to look confused. "No, no no. I read your file. You were a champion sprinter."
O and you shared a look, as he tipped his head down and you got settled in a seat. "Got me. Well done."
The Fam started to look confused as they focused in on what was happening. You rubbed a little at the road rash on your palms as you watched the façade of O drop and The Master's true personality come out.
Graham was the first one to speak up. "Doc what's happening?"
You chuckled softly. Graham was always observant. The Doctor looked at you and then back to The Master. "I don't know."
You stood up and gestured out the window. "You'd best take a look out a window."
The Master started to walk down the aisle, your eyes following him as he held his hand out. "A bit wicked witch of the west but, you all get the gist. Maybe.. Maybe not."
You wormed passed the panicking Doctor as she grabbed your arm. "No."
'You okay?'
The Master watched The Doctor, waiting to see if she'll do anything. "Come on, Doctor. Catch up. I know you can do it."
'I'm okay, she can't hurt me.'
"No."
You and The Master matched grins as you both watched her struggle to make the connection. "You can do it doc. You can figure this out."
The Doctor looked up at you. Her eyes running over your face, trying to pick out the faintest trace of his influence breaking in you. Her eyes catching the purple outfit you wore and it finally dawning on her. "OH!"
The laugh that broke out of your throat made the Fam jump as you pulled out of her grip. "That's why he picked it. He told me you'd make that face when you figured it out."
"I did say look for the Spymaster.. or well the spy Master. Hello Doctor." The Master spoke, his arm wrapping around you as you turned to face everyone.
"What's going on?" Ryan asked and you looked at The Master.
'Can I do it?'
"Of course, you can love." The Master answered aloud, a giddy feeling filling your body.
"The Doctor and O go way, way back. Before any of us were born. He goes by many many names but one always stuck." You said, turning to look at the Fam.
"The one that stuck is The Master, and you should call him that." You said, turning back to look at The Master, a smile on your face as you looked at him.
"Is this a kink thing?" Ryan asked and you groaned.
"Would I really be telling you about my sex life on a plane with a-!" The Master covered your mouth with his hand, a grin on his face.
"Now now, that's spoilers, love."
It seemed like The Doctor finally shot back into the present with that sentence and pushed passed you and The Master to look for Barton. "Where's Barton?"
"I told him to get on the plane, and The Master called him off, mid run."
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You had been taken into the Kasaavin dimension, you were pacing while The Doctor panicked. "He miscalculated! He left me here!"
"Hello!"
The two of you turned to the voice. You took off in a sprint, The Doctor following you.
~
You woke up on the ground next to the Doctor, your eyes scanning the ceiling. "Okay Doc, where are we?"
"I'm tasting some 19th century. Steam. Why am I tasting steam?!" The Doctor rambled as you started to sit up.
"Glad to know it worked, ladies. Now I need to get home." You said, starting to get up. You eyed everyone watching you and you bowed.
"Greetings. I know the yellow haired lady and I look vastly different and probably appeared out of air, but we will not hurt you." You said, a smile on your face as you straightened up and helped The Doctor get up.
She scanned your face, not finding any malice or hatred in your face as you stared at her. "I had no clue he was going to send me too. I'm just as mad as you are, Doc."
"Oh really? I don't believe you for a single moment." The Doctor said, turning away and you sighed.
You didn't know what was going to happen, if The Doctor was even going to get you home, if The Master was searching time for you. You had no clue and you had started to panic, your breathing picking up. You recognized the signs of a panic attack and you grabbed The Doctor's arm, tugging harshly to alert her. "No! I am not going.."
Her voice stopped when she finally looked at you, chest rising up and down rapidly as you started to try and gasp for air. "Hey! Hey, its okay. I'm sorry for snapping, lets get a deep breath into those lungs okay?"
She wrapped her arms around your waist, hoping you didn't lose your balance or go light headed.
A scream sounded from just outside as footsteps thudded as someone rushed into the room. "Ladies and Gentlemen! See the incredible shrinking device!"
The Doctor whipped around so fast, letting go of you as Ada rushed to grab onto you. You tried to push away from Ada, to get to The Master. You got to see his face, a smile appearing on your face. "Thank the TARDIS, he's here."
It was like The Master heard you over all the noise. His head tilting slightly in yours and The Doctor's direction. "Now the reason I'm here is someone took my spouse and I am not happy about it. So, unless she gives back my spouse, someone will die and then people will die."
Everyone stilled at that and when no one moved, except for you, trying to get a better look at him, the purple top hat gave him height and you a better way of knowing where he was in the room. Someone moved and he shot them, screams echoing throughout the room. "Doctor! Its time you bring them to me!"
"Why should I? You clearly hypnotized them!" The Doctor shot back, moving to walk towards the Master.
You had gained enough air into your lungs for you to see correctly and you straightened up and pushed Ada away and moved in front of the Doctor. You met The Master's eyes and glared. "I should shoot you."
"Hello, Love. Why do you say that?" The Master asked and you shrugged, before gesturing to the building.
"Oh I dunno, maybe its because the Kasaavin took me too! I'm literally in 19th century London with Ada Lovelace with no TARDIS, had no clue if you planned this or not and now I'm severely angry at the fact that you chose to play another game to get me back instead of stomping over to me. I thought you left me for dead, Master." You rambled, getting closer and closer to him, accidentally crushing the shrunk person underneath your shoe.
The Master was so focused on you that the both of you barely noticed the gun being wound up and when he finally noticed he pushed you down to the ground. Your face scrunched up when the gun went off. The bullet grazed his shoulder and you tried to pull him to the ground as well. His head swiftly turned and glared at Ada. "You really shouldn't have done that."
"Master, if you kill her, you will set humanity back! We won't have computers. You need to think, Master. I wouldn't be as smart as I am without her, this is the only time I'll beg for someone's life." You were so focused on him that the two of you barely noticed the grenade being tossed at you and this time it was to late for The Master to cover you.
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13thdoctorposts · 22 days
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What are you thoughts on the relationship that 13 and the Master have?
(asking because your thoughts on everything are so insanely interesting to read)
Thank you for reading my thoughts because they are verbose. lol. so I appreciate you taking the time. 🙏
Complex would be putting it mildly. 😂
First, for me, SpyMaster comes after Missy. The way 13/SpyMaster plays out is a continuation of the 12/Missy dynamic.
At the end of 12's run, when Missy and the Master kill Bill, this sets in motion the way we see 13 engage with SpyMaster. 12 wanted to help bring Missy to the good side. 13 could not care if the Master lives or dies, let alone if he joins the good side. She doesn’t consider their friendship worth anything anymore. Any second chances he has are well in the rearview. In her mind, their relationship is past any point of fixing. But, at the end of Spyfall, when he delivers that message, she still does not care about him or their relationship. But, she wants to know what he knows.
From the SpyMaster view, there is a constant undertone of something more than what he’s saying. He wants to be seen by the Doctor, for example, on top of the Eiffel Tower. When she asks why he’s doing all this, he responds: “To get your attention.” He also hates who he is. It’s because he knows they were so close to being the friends they used to be. But, he destroyed that with the knowledge he found and the actions he took in destroying Gallifrey. Between that and Bill. He knows he'll never get back to where 12 and Missy were. That's what he likely wanted at the start of his new life.
It feels like he loves her so much he hates her and hates her so much because he loves her, super toxic. lol.
My headcanon goes like this: Spy regenerates from Missy. He isn’t the evil villain we see now. But, early in his new journeys, he finds out about the timeless child. It breaks his brain. To Missy, she and the Doctor were equals. This is a key part of Missy's identity. The companions were pets, nothing more. Missy is his only true companion and everyone else pales in comparison. Spy would have thought the same. Then, he finds out about the timeless child. It turns out they aren’t equals at all. What makes him special, the ability to regenerate, comes from her. In his anger, and having his core belief ripped from him, he relapses on being an evil dude. He then nukes Gallifrey.
To him, being evil is like a drug. He wanted to be good. But, getting this information about the timeless child shattered his self-image. It also shattered the way he saw the Doctor and their relationship. It broke his brain and his spirit. Everything he thought he knew about himself and her was a lie. He thought he knew her better than anyone in the universe. But, that isn’t even nearly true. There is so much shattering in his self-image and their relationship. It's the thing he holds most dear, even if he never says it. The pain makes him default to his worst parts.
He was mad at the elites of Gallifrey for what they did to him. But, he was also mad for what they did to the Doctor, even if that was at a deeper level. It's one thing for him to hurt or exploit the Doctor, but another for someone else to do it. After he destroyed Gallifrey for what they did to him and the Doctor, he found that it didn’t satisfy him. It didn't ease his pain. So, the next step was to go after the Doctor, to make her feel as small, used, confused, and beaten as he was. To make her like him, to try and make them equals again. That's why he wanted her to push that button in TTC. It would take them all out. Then, they would have both nuked Gallifrey. They would be equal in that.
He thought he would kill her or they would both die. Then maybe the pain and rage and self-hate he felt would end. It wouldn't, of course. But, he was looking for a fix.
He’s mad at her because she made him who he is. He can't stand that a part of her is why he exists, as he says in the episode. It's why he feels pain. At this point, he’s convinced himself it’s her fault. But, deep down he knows that they used her. He doesn't have anyone else to direct his anger at, so he directs it at her. He’s probably convinced himself that she always knew something was different about her. His pain is fueling so much toxicity. He can't break out of the cycle.
13 is feeling her own trauma and pain from their last interaction. And from the knowledge he gave her and how he delivered it. By the time we get to the Power of the Doctor, she couldn’t be more over him. At this point, he's killed Bill and nuked Gallifrey. He's been a jerk about telling her about her past in the most painful way possible. None of it was her fault, but he had to inflict more pain on her. She can't be bothered with him, but she has no choice. He's continuing to play games. Then he does the most violating heinous thing possible. He regenerates her out of existence and takes over.
13 has had to deal with unmatched violation. In her mind, it could have been her and the SpyMaster (or her and Missy) against the universe. But, the SpyMaster chose violence. 
She's done with him. But, the relationship still holds some meaning to her. She knows it's toxic and wants out so much. But, he just keeps coming back.
13 can be toxic by herself. She deals with trauma in the worst ways. If she just let Yaz in, things could have been so different. However, her toxicity doesn't help their situation. She can be petty too, but it's nothing compared to what he does to her.
They have loved each other their whole lives. But, the Master in all forms struggled each time to choose the Doctor over being evil. A couple of times the Master has. But, by 13/SpyMaster, those have been rare, and the pain too raw. Although she may still love him somewhere deep down, she knows he is bad for her. He is even worse for her companions. That's why she wants nothing more to do with him. I don't think he wants anything more to do with himself. That's why we see him say "don’t let me go back to being me" during the degeneration. But, when he does, he still has to end her like it's a compulsion. Because of his need to make them equals and if it's his time to go then it has to be her time too.
I'm quite long-winded and I'm not 100% sure I've answered what you've asked. Essentially, they are in the universe's most toxic relationship, and she wants out but he won't let her go. Pain, hurt, rage, and love fuel their relationship in the worst ways imaginable.
If I haven't made sense, feel free to ask more questions. I adore how complex, broken, and deep in emotion their relationship is, so I could talk about it for days... obviously 👆🤣
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verloonati · 1 month
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It pisses me off so much that during chibnall!who one thing they never got right is the master/doctor relationship. And obviously Sacha dhawan is a great incarnation of the master, he just suffers from the same bad writing as most of this era, but also, yeah the Dhawan!Master is written with an obsessive resentment about the doctor, and like, sure, that's a little bit surface level unhingedness that never litteraly goes into the character, and his plan are basically subjecting the doctor to his power point lore presentation. But most of all, the doctor is not written to show any kind of care towards him. She is scared, disappointed, appalled etc, but she never shows him any kind of love.
And imo that's the thing that defines the master as a character, is that the doctor loves them so fucking much they're able to forgive absolutely anything, and they love the doctor so much they kill galaxies in their name.
Even the most evil incarnations of the master (especially the war master) slightly let their guard down in front of the doctor.
And of course it's not to mention the fucking racist bullshit that was Spyfall part 2.
Overall It's just such a waste to have an era rely that much on an amazing characters with themes and motives that are so easy to write, and do nothing with it, except fuck around a bunch with cybermen and oh the time lords are gone again I guess. Look he's doing a funny dance now. He's turned himself into Rasputin.
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quantumshade · 9 months
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🔥favorite and least favorite doctor who episodes (if you can choose at all lol)
OUGH this is hard... can i do top five and bottom five maybe
bottom five:
let's kill h*tler. do i need to explain this one? i don't think i need to explain this one
spyfall part 2. i don't think i need to explain this one either.
girl in the fireplace. i know that's the one my pfp is from. rose is just so pretty in it. anyway. it's a poorly written episode that gets way too much praise, not to mention just how painfully ooc everyone is. you can really feel how much moffat hates rose in that one. and also it feels so gross when you think about how the real madame de pompadour was groomed from age 6 to be a king's consort and basically allowed no agency in her life whatsoever, coupled with moffat's weird obsession with "someone meets the doctor as a little kid and grows up to be obsessed with him" is so painfully... icky.
kill the moon. outside of being an awful episode with a weirdly anti abortion message, it's the episode that made SO MANY PEOPLE give up on my baby girl twelve. if you stopped watching twelve because of that episode i'm begging you on my knees to give him another shot his era is so so good other than a couple stinkers.
legend of the sea devils. i cannot even begin to express my sheer hatred for this episode. everything about it sucks so so bad and i'm beating it with hammers in my mind 24/7. it's just everything i hate about the chibnall era coalesced into one steaming pile of dogshit.
top five:
heaven sent. sorry to be basic but. heaven sent. i love it so much it's so perfect. and reading it through a classics lens makes it even better. i'm planning on doing the capstone for my degree (partly) on this episode as a modern representation of katabasis. the acting, the music, rachel talalay's directing, g-d. it's so good.
dalek. honestly every single one of nine's episodes fuck so hard and i don't dislike a single one of them. but eccleston really acted his ass off in this one and it's such a wonderful exploration of the doctor's time war trauma. it's the only episode that manages to make daleks scary. rose is amazing in it. "it's not the one pointing a gun at me" and "and what about you, doctor? what the hell are you changing into?" "oh rose. they're all dead" OUGHHHH. the ending hits so fucking hard.
mummy on the orient express. i think i'm legally obligated to put this one on my top five because i have watched it nearly a dozen times this year alone. it's such a good episode. great monster. clara and the doctor both get to be incredibly bisexual. it's the one episode of doctor who in which the phrase "sex machine" exists. what more could you possibly ask for.
the christmas invasion. it's sooooo good it's so good. it's tied with the husbands of river song as my favorite christmas special, but it's higher on my list of Overall Episodes. if that makes sense. again rose is incredible in it. david tennant makes the entrance of all time. they're so in love and so fucking stupid about it. song for ten... well i woke up today... and the world was a restless plaaaace.... it could have been that way for me........
the pilot. bill is gorgeous and perfect and wonderful. twelve being a wacky professor was the best choice anyone has ever made. it's like a crash course in doctor who but also a fun and well made episode with absolutely gorgeous music. i love it i love it i love it. murray gold put the s10 soundtrack on spotify right now.
it's so hard limiting myself to just five... i'm sure i'll think of an episode tomorrow and be like DAMN that should have been on the list... but that's okay <3
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modernwizard · 1 year
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Reasons I love the Spymaster #70: He still likes Yaz!
Find my full series under the HELP I WUVS HIM tag or at the why I love Dhawan Master tag.
#70: He still likes Yaz!
H/T to @themastergifs for these first four gifs.
The Spymaster favors Yaz from their first meeting. Here he is in Spyfall I.
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Yaz, proud of herself for having made the steganography connection, looks to the Spymaster [in his guise as O], for confirmation. He smiles and nods, approving of her conclusion and admiring her brains. Furthermore, even though the Spymaster doesn't really do standard eye contact, he makes some with Yaz here. He's really interested in her.
Here they are in Spyfall II.
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I love this bit [#36: Self-deprecating flirting with Yaz!]. As I write in #36, "He’s really playing up the lovable loser dork here, isn’t he? Not once, but twice, he acts cool/knowledgeable and then undercuts his own damn self by admitting that, uh, nope, that coolness was just an act. No, they did not win. No, that was not an actual saying. Implication: Yeah, yeah, he is kind of a doofus, trying to impress Yaz." And Yaz digs it. Expressions in the second gif in this series show their mutual entertainment with his gambling ineptitude.
Even after he drops the O persona, he still takes a personal interest in Yaz. In Spyfall II, he says, "Stick with me, Yaz, 'cause I control...everything." Even though he manifestly controls...uh...nothing, please note that she's the only one he calls out by name.
By the time The Power of the Doctor rolls around, Yaz has leveled up in badassery. She has confidence aplenty, flying the TARDIS on her own, putting her foot down and demanding explanations from the Doctor, even training a gun on the Spymaster. As I point out in #59: Still not killing companions!, Yaz's power makes the Spymaster stop and take notice.
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I write in #59, "The conversion of Yaz, who once thought the Spymaster was cute, into an armed and dangerous person, subdues the Spymaster...stilling his body and quieting his voice. He quits bouncing around and resorts to a deliberate, anticipatory rocking back and forth. He finds her no-nonsense attitude unsettling and her threat credible." In other words, he's scared of her.
Nevertheless, he still affects familiarity with her, directs serious eye contact toward her, and continues to like her. In a note on #59, @sclfmastery writes to me:
My friend @nickcagestrufflehog​ was talking to me about the Master and Yaz on Discord and they pointed out to me that the Master genuinely liked Yaz back when he was wearing the O persona. Beneath the acting, he was  thrilled she took him seriously, liked him, and listened to him. ... This transferred into a unique desire to earn her respect AS THE DOCTOR...
I agree with this interpretation, especially because it's borne out by the Spymaster's repeated failed attempts to bring Yaz over to his side after he has usurped the Doctor's place.
At first he tries coercion [#53: He remembers his lines!]: Here he is, right after usurpation, trying to get Yaz into the TARDIS:
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Yaz obeys, but she doesn't seem very thrilled about the situation, so he tries to excite Yaz with a Doctor-like adventure:
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Yaz, of course, wants nothing to do with him. She tells him to change back. She glares at him when he drags her around while he's doing damage in the Doctor's name. She even shoves him out of the TARDIS and leaves him on a dying planet for a while before returning. She sneers at him, insults him, resists him, and rejects him in every way.
And yet, still, when Yaz returns for the Spymaster [to execute her plan of getting the Doctor back and putting the Spymaster where he belongs], he continues to appeal to her.
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In this invitation he tries to highlight his similarity to the Doctor. He's "fun" too! He likes to travel too. But he delivers this in a resigned tone, though, rather quietly. He knows that he's not the Doctor, and he knows that Yaz knows this too. He's speaking out of desperation, and it's not convincing.
The Spymaster's persistent attempts to win Yaz over, despite her hostility, demonstrate that he feels like he needs her approval. He can't obtain the Doctor's regard, but he thinks that obtaining the attention and respect of the Doctor's companion--someone Doctor-adjacent--would be second best.  Despite his supposed need for her, though, she has no need for him. 
@natalunasans @sclfmastery @timeladyjamie @whovianuncle @nickcagestrufflehog
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gallifriendly · 8 months
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Mannn I really wish they had done something with Ryan's youtube channel back in S11/12. I would have loved if he kept uploading videos during his travels on the TARDIS (like a video diary), from a corner or a little removed from the action (perhaps so he'd not give away his location/time period to anyone watching, perhaps because The Doctor doesn't want to be caught on camera because that can cause problems).
But since you don't get that many quiet moments travelling with 13 you'd always have stuff happening just out of shot, or out of focus in the back of shot. Graham and Yaz would sometimes be vaguely visible but you'd only ever hear bits of 13's voice.
Because then imagine using that premise to use those youtube videos for
a) little extra previews for new episodes/series (and you'd be able to freeze-frame and try to figure out where Ryan is or who the fam is running away from or whatever)
and
b) you could play with the idea that in-universe Ryan's videos start getting popular, particularly with alien conspiracy groups like in Love and Monsters, who gradually start to notice stuff in Ryan's videos aren't quite right: The logos on the boxes in the massive warehouse Ryan's blogging from don't correspond with any online retailer anyone knows. Or that Ryan seems to be filming from inside buildings he absolutely should not have access to. Or something falls in the background and the gravity somehow seems odd. Some people comment on his videos about this and Ryan tries to play it off as "Ah... one of my friends is really into VFX and likes to edit my videos". But then it really gets crazy after Spyfall part II when his face appears everywhere and Ryan just starts frantically deleting all the comments people leave on his videos. Though some time later he'd upload a video like "my friend is not doing okay and they're hiding something from us but i can't get them to talk, I think we need to stage an intervention" and you'd think it's about Ryan's friend from home but it's just 13 being 13.
and
c) building on this, when Jack catches up with the Fam in Fugitive of the Judoon, it turns out he managed to track the location of the TARDIS down because he's subscribed to Ryan's youtube channel. (of course no one in the back of Ryan's video's has ever referred to the disembodied female voice as "Doctor" so Jack still doesn't realise which person is The Doctor)
and
d) In the run up to Doctor Who Redacted, Ryan's last video gets a comment from one of the Blue Box Files podcast girls asking for an interview and one week later his whole youtube channel disappears
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okay but so true bestie 😭 13 is NOT the longest running doctor (counting eps) but yaz IS the longest running companion (counting series) im fine being a hypocrite about this
wait but. shes been there from 13's first until 13's last episode thats like. must be a record. at least in new who. like only rose did that and 9 only had one series. anyway even if it's not a record it still feels special <3 there hasnt been a companion doctor duo who was together the entire time in new who
yeah! so my source is tardis wiki:
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(note the clara one is stories not episodes, so while yaz has been in 31 episodes that only counts as 25 (? if I counted right) stories, because spyfall 1&2 count as 1 and flux only counts as 1, which is bullshit)
so for calendar time yaz is the undisputed longest, and for modern companions she is the only one with 3 complete seasons (I believe clara would be the runner up here, 2.5 seasons)
In terms of calendar time counting for companions but not doctors, it somehow feels different? idk why, it just Is. vibes
I do believe yaz is the only companion (other than rose&nine) to be with the doctor from first to last episode, and even that is somehow different as we dont know how long 9 was alone between regenerating in the 50th and meeting rose, while yaz is certifiably there from just after one regeneration to just before the next
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#okay Im pretty sure I had Thoughts(tm) while watching this but 'you are loved' with tecteun at the end broke me and now they're all gone
✌ that was my evil intention im glad it worked. also: 😭
because thats the thing isnt it? river telling them "i asked for help for you" and the doctor going "THATS SO STUPID"
amy and rory setting out a place for them. "but you didnt know i was coming, why would you set me a place?" "because we always do"
the doctor disappears and you dont know if or when they'll ever be back but i dont know if they expect you to wait for them. so many people throughout time who have told them "i waited for you" and it never seems to sink in that they wait for them. that they miss them.
the doctor quietly removing themself from people's lives bc they only bring chaos and destruction anyway. it's better like this. theyre saving them by leaving.
clara going "i mean it's not like im never gonna see you again" "isnt it?" "is it?" "i thought thats what you wanted" "but youre gonna come around for dinner or something arent you? do you do that? come around peoples houses for dinner?" "of course" they lie because they dont "thought you mind find it boring"
"do you want to come for tea at mine?"
maybe they do find it boring. or maybe thats an easier sentiment to express, an easier idea to grapple with, than the fact that there are people who care about them enough to spend time with them when nothing particularly exciting is happening, spend time with them just doing human maintenance things, when they dont need them. because theyre not necessary when there is no danger. theyre not needed, just wanted. because theyre not loved by the people who love them for being The Doctor, theyre loved for being the doctor.
river voice: but thats not the sort of thing you could ever understand, is it?
and maybe it’s easier to say it’s boring, that they dont do that sort of thing, than to say they want to, but they dont know how, because it’s never quite right, because their big blue box breaks chairs in the living room, and whats missing from them is so much more evident when theyre surrounded by people who are connected, who have a place they belong and each other and a shared history
“have you got family?”
AWSOK: It's over, Doctor. It has been ever since we let a virus into the experiment. DOCTOR: What sort of virus? AWSOK: You.
so they just leave, because youve got your own good safe human life to lead, because they cant fathom the idea that you will miss them, because it hurts to try to make connections on top of the gaping craters of broken ones, because they cant quite fix themself to anything, because theyre out of place everywhere, because it hurts less to swoop in, save the day, be unknown but adored for a day, every day.
......i got carried away. sorry for being depressing in your inbox 😭
no no don't apologize, this is excellent!
so many people love and wait and miss the doctor and they don't get it! But then to contrast that with their mother, someone who is supposed to love you, and maybe even does in some weird twisted way, but never in a way that compares to the people the doctor finds themselves, is ugh. how do you do this. please keep making me sad with your videos
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One heart isn't enough for all the pain I suffer
Thirteenth Doctor x Yaz Oneshot
Warnings: Angst, a lotta ansgt. Dark Doctor. Sad Doctor. Angst with fluff. Fluff love confessions awkward talks
(I know Thirteen had her moody and cold moments in her run after Spyfall, but they were quick. I really wanted her to have a dark moment a bit like Eleven where she really showed her age because like Eleven Thirteen was an old Alien with a young face who smile doesn't quite reach their eyes and act goofy to pretend that they're okay when in reality on the inside there is a burning fire ready to burst open)
"Doctor! Help me!!!" The Doctor just stood where she was emotionlessly whilst watching the Slitheen screeching in pain as it's arm is caught in the rubble of a collapsing burning building from a distance. Green blood was pooling as the creature struggled to breath from all the dust and smoke.
Sorbil, if I were to help you, you would have to promise me that you leave humanity alone....and you leave earth alone as well. This planet is protected for as long as I'm around it'll always be protected." Sorbil laughs harshly, withering in pain. Don't you grow tired of protecting those silly humans. All they do is repeat the same mistakes over and over again." He takes a harsh breath." It won't be us that kills humanity. It will be them who do it. Many wars, including the great ones. A third world war will kill off humanity for good. Wouldn't it be peaceful not having to deal with humans all the time?" Sorbil laughs menacingly yet weakly obviously close to dying.
The Doctor walked closer, anger in her eyes. "Yes. Many times I've grown tired of protecting this planet as humans are ungrateful beings who don't deserve being protected but they don't deserve to die especially from an intergalactic war just because you want their oils and a little bit of fun. The reason I protect humans and their precious earth is because many of my friends have been humans. Oh, so many from different times. All absolutely amazing all different endings..... most were lucky very lucky and got away unscarraped and live their lives. Happy and safe with people they care about, and I'm glad they're okay even if I miss them terribly."
The building began crushing around Sorbil as she stood there, making no attempt to even try and help Sorbil as his screeching stopped suddenly. She sighed, walking closer to the building as emotions began bubbling.
But some had endings that they didn't deserve Katarina....Jamie, oh Jamie, i miss Jamie he'd enjoy the new technology....Zoe...Adric.....Adric I'm so sorry. Kamilion... Peri.....Donna...Amy...Rory...Clara....oh, my impossible girl, I wonder where you are travelling too now? And of course Bill....Bill....none of them deserved their fates and it was all my fault because I was so stupid...and careless what's what happens to me I became careless I become human....because they all became a part of me. She ranted angrily, tears falling down her face.
She fell to her knees in despair as more tears fell down her face. Dust was getting into her lungs, but she just ignored the painful urge to cough. "I have always told them that I'd protect them, that everything will be okay and they believe me but....I couldn't save them.....I promise I'd save them yet I couldn't." She choked back a sob as her heart's began hurting. "Maybe that's why I'm so cold this time round because I don't want to get close to anyone again in case I lose Yaz too.....I can't lose Yaz she means everything to me."
Hesitated footsteps could be heard as they got closer to the Doctor. She could feel the person hovering obviously worried about what mood the Doctor would be in. She hated that she's snapped at Yaz in her many bad moods that it's caused her to be anxious....even scared around The Doctor. This caused fresh tears to fall. "Yaz.. I'm so sorry....I never meant to be so cold towards you!" Yaz kneeled down next to The Doctor, shaking her head. "Don't be silly. It wasn't your fault. I know I can be a bit nosy sometimes, and it's okay to be left alone." The Doctor looked up from the dusty ground into Yaz's warm dark eyes. "No, Yaz, I was harsh and rude towards you when you were trying to be a friend. You we're just making sure I was okay, yet I pushed you away, and you can't say it didn't bother you cause I saw how much it hurt by the expression of your face. Im aware that my moods have been dreadful lately. But i can say this. It's not because of you. It's because of so many things. The Master, Gallifrey. But its also because i have lost many people in my past and when ever i had gotten vlose to them they end up being snatched away again leaving a very painful hole in my hearts" The Doctor placed a hand on Yaz's cheek brushing her thumb ever so gently. you're so important to me, Yaz, so I just thought that if I pushed you away, maybe you'd leave and that it would be less painful than witnessing your demise. Obviously, you ended up sticking to your guns and ended up telling me off eh" " She rambled, chuckling weakly, gently taking Yaz's hand in hers.
Yaz gave The Doctor a smile that she absolutely loves. "You silly woman, it would take a lot to get rid of me. You're stuck with me now. No matter how little or how long we spend together. So instead of worrying about the what ifs, why don't you just live in the moment. Doctor, you're the most incredible non-human person I've met. You're kind. Caring, and you have two hearts. What more can a person want? That's why I love yo -" Yaz froze in panic, realising she has basically told The Doctor that she was in love with her.
Yaz panicked slightly. "Oh erm...I think I can hear my phone in the Tardis..." She scrambled onto her feet and turned away from The Doctor as she began walking to The Tardis so she could hide in her room from the embarrassment and in hope the the beautiful blonde would forget the whole incident. Yaz was halfway through her path when a hand stopped and spun her, so she was facing the blonde once more. Before Yaz could even ask questions, the doctor pressed her soft lips onto Yaz's in a heart-stopping kiss. Yaz melted as The Doctor wrapped her arms around Yaz, bringing her closer, deepening the kiss. Unfortunately, Yaz only broke away when she remembered a little thing called oxygen. Otherwise, she'd happily kiss The Doctor forever.
The Doctor's beautiful Hazel eyes stared into Yaz's eyes as she broke into a huge gorgeous smile that made her eyes light up that made Yaz feel like she was the only person in the whole universe. not one of her "I'm okay, but I'm actually not okay," smiles. "Now, where do you think you were going, Khan? You didn't even let me speak?" Yaz blushed and looked down to her battered boots to avoid the intense stare. A finger slid under her chin, and Yaz found herself looking back in those eyes again. The Doctor placed her hand on Yaz's face. Her thumb gently caressing her cheek. "Look I'm not going to deny my feelings for you Yaz as those feelings have been driving me crazy for a long time now but I will admit that I tried to ignore them so that we would stay strictly friends but....Yaz you're so absolutely wonderful, your clever, funny and you make my hearts so happy. I trust you so much and even the Tardis likes you and it takes a lot to get her to like people.......The day I met you I knew ypu were going to be important in my life bit I didn't know how important until I realised what what I'm feeling is love....pure unconditional love........"
Yaz felt he heart flutter in her chest as she smiled at The Doctor in pure happiness. "Wait.. Do you mean that?" The Doctor nodded, smiling brightly as she threaded her fingers through Yaz's fingers. "If I didn't mean it, Yaz, I wouldn't even be telling you in the first place." Yaz chuckles as she gently squeezed The Doctor's hand. "How about I make you a mug of hot chocolate and a plate of cream custard while you plan our next adventure, eh Doc?" The Doctor nodded excitedly as the couple began walking back towards the Tardis hand in hand with pure happiness as the sun began to set in the horizons.
(I hope you guys enjoyed this! I know it isn't great but I really hope I manged to at least get some of the Thirteenth Doctor's amd Yaz's personality. If I didn't I apologise)
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honestly the more i think about it the more i am OBSESSED with how what the Master was doing in TPOTD feels like the natural endpoint to his arc. like, it is far and away not the ONLY way things could have gone for him but it’s like one of those tragedies where the line you trace from A to B seems like an inevitable result of the character’s choices you know? the line from 12 trying to get Missy to be more like him -> Missy getting sabotaged by her own past self and seemingly abandoned by the Dr -> dh!master discovering the truth of TTC in the matrix and coming to the conclusion that the Doctor has always been better than him, more special than him, that they’ve never actually been equals and never had a chance to be -> trying hard to level the playing field by dragging her down to his level, pushing her to the point where she would kill both of them (and what’s left of their shared childhood ie the planet with all those memories on) by her own hand (“Become death, become me”) -> this plan doesn’t WORK and so of course the only thing left is to go the other way and to very literally become the Doctor instead, steal their body and identity and completely wipe them from existence. the line from trying to emulate 12′s idea of goodness on a surface level while pointing out that actually 12′s idea of good isn’t absolute -> whatever he was up to in Spyfall dialling the performative evil up to 11 to try and regain his identity as the Dr’s counterweight -> a little piece of you is in me, all that i am is somehow because of you and believe me when i say i cannot BEAR that -> an army of cybermasters born from you but led by me -> become death become me -> i’m going to force you to regenerate into me now I am the Doctor -> i have erased you, don’t make me go back to being me
this post barely even counts as meta really, i’m just turning him over and over in my mind, but i guess i just love how it’s so very easy to see how he got there?? he just couldn’t let this idea go that the Doctor is better than him because of what they are, when actually anyone who’s spent like 10 minutes with the Doctor could have told them that what makes the Doctor the Doctor is what they choose to do and who they choose to be. it’s the attempt. you know? which is why Yaz succeeds where he fails. i don’t really know where i was going with this so i’m going to stop before this becomes unwieldy but gosh i am MANY thoughts head fit to BURSTING
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but also the way the doctor’s warped view of themself and like, life? idk, shows itself so beautifully in that beach scene
“it’s what my life is”
no bestie youre mentally Unwell asdhfjhgjg
im joking but like thats what it is. thats what the doctor made. thats what the doctor is because the person underneath made it so
with 12 it was like, it’s the immortality that does this right? thats what it seemed like it was. everyone else dying. you cant keep your loved ones. same with drama king 10 burden of a timelord and all that. and sure theres some truth to that but it’s like river said. it just means time.
loss is inevitable but it’s not the doctor’s only, or even Main, issue. or maybe it is, maybe it has been, maybe it’s just with 13 that this has changed, or maybe loss has been a nice heavy blanket over All The Other Stuff
the doctor in new who has been grieving since we met them. it took 4 regenerations to process the time war. the doctor Knows what loss is, the doctor knows what grief feels like. the doctor in general i dont think has a particularly good idea of whats going on in their head. they act on feelings that they cant quite identify, or cant track the source of, or identify too late. theyre scared of their anger and theyre scared of their love because both make them act before they can think (rip torvic)
ive said before but i still believe that both the doctor and the master are intensely emotion-driven but the master knows this about themself. the master either leans in (simm) or tries to contain (missy) or is being torn between the two (dhawan). when the master is acting out they Know. whether they can stop or steer themself probably varies case by case but they are Aware.
the master Knows what hes doing in spyfall and i think he despises it because it demonstrates such a great amount of control that the doctor holds over them without the doctor even being entirely aware of that control? i think?
i dont think the doctor realises that emotional control they inadvertedly have over the master, because i dont think the doctor is as aware of how either they or the master are driven by their emotions. the master is aware. of both of them.
point is, the doctor knows grief. they can identify grief, they can make nice monologues about it. but thats sort of it? i dont think they have as clear a view on any other complex emotional states they experience.
with 13 it’s like she came into the world with this blanket of grief ripped off. like of course shes grieving, she lost everyone, she loses grace, but that big clear visible and comprehensible blanket of Time War Grief has been removed.
i think maybe before, any other underlying complex emotions the doctor had would be filtered through the time war grief blanket. guilt, shame, anger, all could be tied to I Killed Them All. Im The Last One (”bill, this is missy, the Other Last Of The Time Lords”). 13 doesnt have that. thats gone. “new can be very scary”
shes dealing with all of the emotions that shes previously had but theres no framework at all. one singular lense for understanding all your emotions isnt necessarily ideal (that much fucking shows in 9-12) but at least it gives you the feeling that youve got a grip on something. you have a way to understand even if it doesnt make you understand right. it gives you a feeling of control even when you draw wrong conclusions. 13 doesnt have that. it’s just all noise. it’s just all noise and theres no way to make sense of it.
and it makes it very clear the things that are going on underneath, that have been there always but were filtered through Time War. the “they’ll get it all wrong without me”, the “well i have to be, because you guys need help”, the Doctor.
the doctor is a title and a function it’s not a name. titles are earned and functions are performed. what are you when you dont live up to your title and you fail at performing your function? well not the doctor thats for sure
I murder a beautiful, innocent creature as painlessly as I can. And then I find a new name, because I won't be the Doctor any more.
DOCTOR: I help where I can. I will not fight. OHILA: Because you are the good man, as you call yourself? DOCTOR: I call myself the Doctor. OHILA: It's the same thing in your mind. DOCTOR: I'd like to think so. OHILA: In that case, Doctor, attend your patient. (Cass is brought in and laid on the altar stone. The Doctor scans her with his screwdriver.) OHILA: You're wasting your time. She is beyond even our help. DOCTOR: She wanted to see the universe. OHILA: She didn't miss much. It's very nearly over. DOCTOR: I could have saved her. I could have got her off, but she wouldn't listen. OHILA: Then she was wiser than you. She understood there was no escaping the Time War. You are a part of this, Doctor, whether you like it or not. DOCTOR: I would rather die. OHILA: You're dead already. How many more will you let join you? If she could speak, what would she say? DOCTOR: To me? Nothing. I'm a Time Lord. Everything she despised. OHILA: She would beg your help, as we beg your help now. The universe stands on the brink. Will you let it fall? Fast or strong, wise or angry. What do you need now? (The Doctor fingers Cass' baldric.) DOCTOR: Warrior. OHILA: Warrior? DOCTOR: I don't suppose there's a need for a doctor any more. Make me a warrior now.
a man is the sum of his memories, a time lord even more so. but memory is fallible, and very subject to change. i think more important than the memories is the narrative that is made from them. and what that narrative is titled – doctor, master. thats that what defines your continuity. whether you can turn the page and keep writing the same book.
theres something about the doctor being this Idea right? a spirit of hope and friendship that can spreads,,,, like a virus. right? like cybermen. it’s the idea of the doctor that makes them continue, replicate.
but that also makes the doctor not unique. and i guess none of us is really unique but also most of us dont have a name thats a title and a job and we dont spread our reason of being everywhere we go.
and i think it makes the doctor stronger, in a way, when they inspire people to act like they would. except, circling back, the doctor cant see themself that well. not as well as other people can. when people close to them start copying, they dont usually copy the bits the doctor would like to see copied. they copy the parts that they cant see very well because it doesnt fit The Story, it doesnt fit in the book titled The Doctor. it goes in books titled Oncoming Storm, and Butcher of Skull Moon, and War Doctor. it goes in books titled The Master, even, sometimes.
where was i going with this-
oh yeah. “i cant fix myself to anything, anywhere, or anyone”
theres a person under there somewhere who got so hurt that they had to construct,,, like a diving suit, or a spacesuit more apt, an orange one probably, to be able to stay in the world at all. a protective layer through which they can affect, but never be directly touched, or seen, beyond their general shape, and their face. and through the suit they are Helpful. because if theyre not here to make things better for other people who are hurt, if they cant help, if they cant cure, if they cant fix things, then whats the point in being here at all?
you know how coping mechanisms can turn counterproductive or harmful when youre removed from the situation in which they developed?
im broken, she says, i cant touch anything. i cant touch anything and i dont know how to make it better and making things better is what i do. it’s what i am. it’s all i am. because i made it so.
“it’s what my life is”
it betrays such a lack of control. It Is What It Is. my life is like this. i am like this. the doctor is this. and the doctor is the cage ive built around myself.
and that “because i might” feels to me like “mostly....angry”. like, a tiny revelation. not enough to put even a tiny dent in like the black box of lack of self-knowledge but you have to start somewhere. you have to start with ‘i dont think i want this anymore’ before you can figure out how to get to what you do want
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Maybe I’ve been thinking about this too much of the “fandom wank” (I refuse to call it discourse) surrounding if Yaz’s story is good rep or not. Which, in my honest opinion, it is. I relate to it. I know people who relate to it. Good representation is when you see yourself in a character’s situation.
Of course, it has become about how it isn’t good representation and it came out of nowhere. The first part, it goes back to what I said which I guess you can try and fight me about this. The second part is just... did it though? This isn’t about how the Doctor feels but how Yaz feels.
...She has been vocal about it too? I mean..
YASMIN: I know. I love my family, but they also drive me completely insane. I want more. More of the universe. More time with you. You're like the best person I've ever met.
- Arachnids in the UK
YASMIN: Yeah. Don't obsess on that. Think how the Doctor would do it. Swan in like she owns the place, big smiles, loads of chat, total confidence. We can do this.
- Spyfall Part 1
TAHIRA: That's impossible. Nobody can travel across the stars. YASMIN: Unless you're the Doctor. She's basically the definition of impossible. 
- Can You Hear Me
CLAIRE: I have. His answers only increase the enigma. YASMIN: I know someone like that. CLAIRE: Mary reproaches me. Insists I should find a more reliable prospect. Not that she can talk. YASMIN: Perhaps she's right. His eye does seem to wander. CLAIRE: This enigmatic person of yours, would you trade them for reliable and dull? YASMIN: My person's a bit different.
- The Haunting of Villa Diodati
GRAHAM: Happy New Year, Yaz. YASMIN: When was it New Year? RYAN: You been sleeping in here? YASMIN: Maybe. GRAHAM: Yaz, you can't keep being here all the time. The Doc, you know, she went to do something she knew might kill her. We've just got to assume she didn't make it.   YASMIN: Why? Why do we have to assume that? RYAN: Mate, we've been back ten months. We have to get on with our lives. That's what she told us. That's what she wanted for us. YASMIN: But what if she needs us? How many times has she saved us?
(...)
YASMIN: It felt cruel... to be shown something I couldn't have any more. Felt like, er, I'd rather not have known. I'd rather not have met her, cos having met her and then... being without her, that's worse. How do you deal with that?
- Revolution of the Daleks
And these are some of the things she said, not even talking about Flux as a whole (WWTDD, the whole hologram scene, etc) or even the numerous parallels that exist between them.
This just feels so annoying because its denying the importance of characters like Yaz can and should exist. Not every queer character has to be upfront about who they are (even in real life, we still have that right of choice).
Then there’s the idea of it being introduced too late into the story. Which is nuts because its still part of the Doctor’s and Yaz’s journey. It isn’t some footnote on some random lore book. Its happening as the main part of their character arcs.
This kind of “discussion” isn’t hurting creators like Chibnall, its hurting queer authors. The same kind of “discussion” happened with She-Ra and how Catradora happened in the last season. How it was too late when this was the story they wanted to tell (plus people thinking it was easy to reach that point too LOL).
At times, creators just like to take some time to reach a point and should not feel they have to justify every single choice to satisfy some kind of fandom wank that is only being used to get some cookie points for good behaviour (which I mean, talking over people who do relate and understand the characters’ struggles).
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What Do you think of Thasmin? And what Do you think of it being kinda Canons?
Ooh this is an interesting question because my feelings about it are convoluted, but let me try and explain in a way that’s vaguely coherent!
I’m gonna answer the second question first - what do I think of it being canon? And I would say overwhelmingly the answer is HECK YES because I stan wlw representation any day of the week, and the BBC need to not be cowards for once. Also? I know it means a HUGE amount to quite a lot of people I care about, and I’m super happy for them and being able to see themselves represented on screen. It’s awesome, and they deserve that. Because this IS a queer story now. It’s undeniable. They freaking SAID IT. ON SCREEN. And that’s really important, and I’m so glad that it’s happening. Also I totally support people who ship thasmin - nothing but love for those guys.
My personal feelings around thasmin in general though get a bit more complicated - essentially, it boils down to the fact that I don’t ship it myself, but I have absolutely nothing against it. Why don’t I ship it? There are a couple of factors here, and some of them overlap and are quite important to me as a person, and some of them are just about my tastes in ships and tropes hahaha, so let me tackle the former first. Basically, I���m aroace and genderfluid, and it’s extremely hard to find a character who is either one of those things (and presented positively by the narrative), let alone both of those things. But Thirteen...she can definitely be read as both, and that is just SO INCREDIBLE and important to me. Like....Thirteen was the first time I saw both of those parts of me reflected in a character, and in a really COOL AWESOME character no less, and it was just insane, and I’m like....is this what cis guys are feeling all the time!? No wonder they don’t want to let go of it! To explain a little better regarding the gender stuff (because I think some people will be like ‘is she genderfluid, though?’), genderfluid doesn’t necessarily mean ‘changing between cis and binary trans’ - although, ofc, it can absolutely mean that. For me, it mostly just means my gender vaguely oscillates around agender and genderqueer vibes, with a few other things thrown in, leaning towards the masc side of presentation. So then Thirteen comes along in her suit in Spyfall and it just hits me - she’s just like me - and I cannot...express how powerful that felt for me. And I can imagine that other folks understand that, especially with regards to Thirteen, because she can be interpreted to be a lot of things! But all of this means that, so far in the show, I really appreciated her being written without any romantic subplot, but also not being written As A Woman, if that makes sense. Like, she’s been written as the Doctor first and foremost, which comes over as extremely agender to me, and the way she interacts with the universe is the same as ever (it’s just that sometimes the way the universe reacts with her is different, because she looks like a woman now, and I’ve loved that so much). 
And now you’re like ‘ok but what does all that have to do with thasmin?’ - and the answer is that, in my general experience (and I know that this is a sweeping generalisation and there are many exceptions to this rule), thasmin is written as a wlw ship, by wlw . Which is totally cool but it also means that they’re mainly portraying Thirteen as a lesbian woman - and again, I know that there are many many examples of thasmin shippers writing the Doctor as ace, or enby, or any variation thereupon, but the general vibe is Thirteen as a lesbian woman. Of course it is! Which is great - but because I resonate so strongly with the genderqueer-aroace read of Thirteen rather than the wlw read of Thirteen, I just...don’t vibe with it, personally. To me, I don’t think she is a woman, and that fact is very important to me. And so then if we’re talking about fanwork, I just don’t have any interest or appeal in reading thasmin fics - with a couple of very rare exceptions (namely, when a trans writer I really like wrote a post flux thasmin fic, which I did enjoy a LOT, mainly because I was interested in the flux aftermath esp with Yaz being in the 1900s for so long, but also because I knew they’d write thirteen’s gender in a way that I liked).
[aside, see: this is why I don’t like the idea of thirteen wearing a dress, because it sets off my second-hand dysphoria like nothing else, even though someone else I know irl really wanted thirteen to wear more feminine outfits in the show, because she wanted it to be shown that someone in a dress could absolutely save the universe. And like, both of those opinions are valid! We just want and need different things. That’s fine and normal] 
And then that brings me onto the counterpoint which I think will help explain things even more - why do I ship thoschei, then? Surely that’s the same issue, only it’s straight for spydoc rather than wlw. And the answer to that is - thoschei isn’t a straight ship. Or, at least, the thoschei that I like is not written as straight. It’s written as a convoluted, complex relationship between two genderqueer people who are also floundering around somewhere on the ace and aro spectrums. Which, again, is probably the ONLY TIME I’ve found a ship like that - that jives with both my sexuality and my gender identity at the same time! It’s just...so so cool. And! I’ve often found that a lot of thoschei writers that I’ve spoken to are also ace/arospec or trans/genderqueer,  which means a lot of their experiences feeds into their fics, which I, in turn, relate to a lot. And it’s just....so so comforting in a way that’s hard to put into words. And nice? And safe? I reckon thoschei feels to me just like how thasmin feels to the wlw folks who feel like they’ve never really had a ship like that before. It just means a huge HUGE amount to me. (This is the exact same reason I dabble in the jack/13 side of the fandom - that’s where I’ve found some of the best ace!13 rep plus gender stuff thrown in, it’s so so good and really interesting)
And then, on a less personal point, thoschei aligns with my taste in ships a LOT more than thasmin does - i.e. they’re feral and awful and messy and there’s high stakes and you’d probably find them wrestling in an alley sooner than you’d find them being soft with each other, but they CAN BE SOFT in the right circumstances, and they’re both so old and have seen so much and been THROUGH so much and they’ve known each other so long and it’s just....their relationship kind of DEFINES the other. Companions will come and go, that’s just how it IS, but the Master? Will always be there. SOMEHOW. It’s the same reason I really love doctor/tardis, it’s just...unconventional and ancient. And there’s SO MUCH ANGST to dig my teeth into HAHA. And blood. I’m here for the rough edges and the deeply flawed characters with stories that never quite resolve right but they do change and grow still, y’know? 
So, tl;dr - I feel seen in thoschei. I don’t relate to thasmin at all. And I like the thoschei tropes a lot more than the thasmin ones, which don’t really interest me personally.
Also I think Yaz deserves...so much better than the Doctor WHEEEZE like the Doctor and the Master deserve each other (derogatory) but Yaz? Baby. Babe. You can do so much better I’m begging you HAHAHA
And so then - with regards to it being canon, even though I absolutely love and support that it’s happening, I’m also like...myeah? Would my aroace heart have preferred it without it? I’ll be honest - yes, probably, but actually the way they did it in this episode WAS pretty darn ace/arospec yknow? (Like - ‘I don’t really do dates’ and ‘I can’t fix myself to anything, or anyone’ HELLO HELP I’m being SEEN) So I actually really liked that a lot! And I think the way they’re doing it is really interesting in terms of showing the Doctor’s growth as a character (like, compare Thirteen and Ten-Twelve, yknow? She’s actually sitting down and COMMUNICATING it’s AMAZING atta girl but also being an awful flirt at the same time sksksk like she’s the WORST). But to me, it feels really nice and in-character, and it’s touching on the tropes I find more interesting (like, the angst on thirteen’s side mostly haha). I’m very interested to see where it goes next - especially with the next episode definitely including a scene involving the Doctor, Yaz and the Master in the same room (and with Sacha Dhawan saying that he considers the Master to be in love with the Doctor, under all that anger?? Heck yes, I am HERE FOR IT, it’s new gf vs the ex spouse HAHAHA the vibes are SO RANCID guys). I think they’re totally gonna do a thasmin kiss of some kind and it’s going to be painful and angsty and I am so here for it, because I love my ships drenched in the pain sauce. 
That was long. But I hope that mostly made sense!
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I've never met ANYONE who actually likes the Chibnall era. Would you seriously say that it's objectively good?
Brace yourself for unpopular (albeit positive) opinions.
Objectively? I don't know, I tend to feel like media is very much subjective and down to opinion. But on the whole...yeah. I'm gonna say yeah. I think the Chibnall era thus far is every bit as good as the Moffat Era and Davies Era were. It actually blows my mind to see the fandom come together and almost universally agree that the show has gone downhill. It's part of the reason why I kind of stepped away from the Doctor Who fandom because there's something very demoralizing about re-watching clips from Season 12 and seeing literally every comment just talk about how the show is ruined. And if I re-watch old clips, very often I come across comments that talk about how the show "used to" be good, and should have ended with Twelve, etc. I know a little reluctance toward the new Doctor can be part of the transition process, but normally the fans are over it by now.
Things haven't really changed.
I've been re-watching Twelve's era, and found a new appreciation for him. But I re-watched Thirteen's era right beforehand, and you know what? It holds up. Season 11 is remarkably strong. I can't think of a single "bad" episode in that season. It focuses on the characters, and thus it doesn't have nearly as strong ambitions, compared to one of the Moffat seasons, which were clever but often convoluted. They couldn't always stick the landing. (Looking at you, Season 6) But every has it's good parts and it's bad. The same man who wrote The Wedding of River Song and betrayed the entire season's storyline in the process...also wrote The Doctor Falls, which is probably my favorite final episode of any season ever. The Chibnall Era is the same way. The Tsuranga Conundrum isn't really a bad episode, it's just kind of forgettable, apart from the Pting. But then it is immediately followed up by Demons of the Punjab, which is an exceptional story in every way. I want the Thijurians to return for Thirteen's regeneration, I'm saying it.
My point being that even if there are episodes you can't stand in the new era, is that really exclusive to Chibnall? All the way back in Season 1, they had The Long Game, which I remember disliking, but it was sandwiched between Dalek and Father's Day, which are in my opinion, the two best episodes of that season. A lot of people don't like Orphan 55, for example. But it's followed up by Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror. Does anyone really dislike that episode? You're valid if you do, but I think it's really good. Ask me about any episode in the Chibnall Era, and I'll find something to like about it. (Except maybe Arachnids in the UK...and that one's not even bad, just kind of weak.) Because like I said, there is good and bad in every season...and I do think that the fandom has overblown how "bad" the Chibnall Era is...though that may be in part because I think this era is generally good? Incredible companions, solid episodes, a great Doctor, and hey...this era actually made the Daleks scary again. That is impressive. Even most of the hated episodes, like Orphan 55 as I mentioned...I enjoy them.
I stand by that. I think this era is great. If anything, I don't like that they reduced how many episodes we get, because some of these stories, like The Witchfinders and It Takes You Away especially Fugitive of The Judoon, are just begging to be two-parters. Spyfall is the only real two-parter we've had, in my opinion (Ascension of the Cybermen and The Timeless Children feel like two separate stories to me) and the episode was much stronger for having the extra time. If I have one genuine criticism with the Chibnall Era as a whole, it is the stark contrast between Seasons 11 and 12. I love Season 11, I thought it was beautiful. I like it far more than most people. I also truly enjoyed Season 12. But they are worlds apart, with Season 11 feeling so standalone and Season 12 picking up with a big storyline that really hadn't been hinted at all in the previous outing. The tone is also different, with The Doctor and "the fam" having a distance between them that seems to have developed offscreen in between seasons. It was as though Chibnall wanted to give everyone a breather from big overarching plots after the Moffat Era, but then after one season he decided "break's over" because he wanted to tell his story. And that's okay! It is. But it's jarring. Anyway, let's talk about Chibnall's storyline. You know where this is going.
"That" episode.
I meant what I said before. There isn't a single episode that I actively hate as much as say, Listen. Now let's get very controversial, because I know what y'all are thinking. "Not even The Timeless Children?" And I'll just get this out of the way right now: I don't think The Timeless Children, or it's twist, ruins Doctor Who. I don't think it gets anywhere close. I mentioned before that I was demoralized reading the comments on a clip of Doctor Who...to no one's surprise, it was this episode. Now, I may just be biased...after all, I didn't even hate Hell Bent. But while I have my criticisms of Season 12, The Doctor's revised backstory accounts for exactly none of them. You want to know what really bothers me? That we had a seven season buildup to Gallifrey's rescue, a nine season buildup to it's return...only for the show to do nothing with it, and then just destroy it again a couple of seasons later. As someone who loved The Day of The Doctor, I'm mad about that. Among other reasons, destroying Gallifrey is the kind of card you can really only play once.
So no, I don't think The Timeless Children is perfect. The Doctor had a seven season character arc culminating in them learning the lesson that using The Moment would be wrong, and that it was never okay to do something like that. To hear her even consider using The Death Particle, that "Or, a solution" line in response to Ryan appropriately reacting in horror? Yeah, that upset me. I don't like that Gallifrey is gone again, and even if The Doctor wasn't the one to do it, she almost did, and she left someone else to do it in her stead. That bothers me more than The Timeless Child ever could. That being said...the Timeless Child doesn't bother me. Seriously, it blows my mind that people act like this twist ruins Doctor Who. It...really doesn't, guys.
It does not insult the legacy of William Hartnell. He is still The First Doctor. It's not like there isn't a precedent for secret incarnations from The Doctor's past. We didn't start calling Christopher Eccleston The Tenth Doctor after we found out about John Hurt. Nothing can change The First Doctor's status or take it away, nor do I think Chibnall is trying. He is doing what I've actually wanted Doctor Who to do for a while. Give us a story about The Doctor's childhood. (Listen doesn't count, I don't care, that was all kinds of bad.) Let me ask you, what does this really change? I've seen people complain about the revision of The Doctor's history...but there's a precedent for that too. We could play bingo with how many times Clara fundamentally altered or influenced the show's history. She is the reason he started traveling, the reason he chose his Tardis, and the reason he saved Gallifrey. Why doesn't that bother people, if this does?
I also understand it if people dislike this change because they feel as though it makes The Doctor a kind of chosen one, compared to them having just been an average person who wanted to make a difference. I get that. However, this is down to interpretation, and there are so many ways to interpret The Doctor. Some people love it when The Doctor goes dark, other people cannot stand it and view it as out of character. Some people love it when The Doctor is heroic and badass, when they save the day...others would prefer that they take the backseat, teaching the humans how to save the day themselves. "The man who makes people better." And which interpretation you get, where it falls on the spectrum...it will vary from writer to writer. Moffat loved to make everything about The Doctor, and Davies frequently compared him to an angel or a god. This is not the first time that the show has portrayed The Doctor as a godlike being. It's not even close to the first time. And honestly? I don't think this makes The Doctor special or supernatural. I think it makes them a victim, nothing more. A victim of child abuse.
People also disliked this episode for removing the mystery behind The Doctor...but I fail to see how it did that? There are so. Many. Questions. That this finale opens up. Where did The Doctor come from? How and why did they get to our universe? What exactly is The Division? What went down between them and The Doctor? Where is Tecteun? (No, she's not Rassilon...) As the Masters asks, "What did they do to you, Doctor? How many lives have you had?" Amid all of the comments that made me sad, I did see a great one about how the original creator of Doctor Who actually didn't like it when they introduced the Timelords, because she felt that it boxed the show in and removed the mystery behind The Doctor, and how "She would have loved this episode." I agree with that. (Still salty that they destroyed Gallifrey though...) You know, I am genuinely interested in this story and where it's going to go, especially with the sixtieth anniversary approaching. But it depresses me that they might scale it back now, after how much the fandom has risen up against it. Not that I'm saying the fans shouldn't be happy, but...it's clear that a story is trying to be told here, and I think it should have that chance.
To each their own, of course. But I will never understand why this era is so hated.
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Can you share more about #7 and #11?
Of course! So 7 is Just One More Lifetime. 
I actually just reread through this one and realised that, apart from editing, the next chapter was finished so that’s fun. This is a reincarnation au I tweaked canon a lil for this one, the Mikaelsons are all awake but Esther’s coffin hasn’t yet been opened. So Bonnie is struggling with the memoires of all her past incarnations, whilst trying to open the coffin and with the Mikaelsons trying to get it back. Her and Kol strike up an uneasy alliance as he is the only one she has to turn to 
Here’s a snippet from the next chapter:
“Ayana wanted to keep her family safe. Just as my mother wanted to after losing her son.”
A perversion of a mother’s love was the reason they were both stood here together right now. She knew what Esther - because she knew who Kol’s mother only referenced in her dreams was now - had done to her children. But she had no idea what Ayana had done to Renata and what that meant for her.
And a future chapter too:
"She didn't even know you. How can you be so sure?"
Kol turned to stare at her once more and she realised what a mistake that was. It was easier to push back against what she was feeling when he wasn't looking at her with those soulful brown eyes making declarations of love unbound by bodies, time or circumstances.
"Because I've seen what happens, I've seen what happens when we never meet. You think the dreams are bad, the alternative is worse. It starts off with a feeling of emptiness and despair a bone deep depression borne of a loneliness they don't understand and can't shake. Then an irritability at the world and irrational anger they can't control. Hysteria slowly creeps in as they begin to lose control of their magic. Eventually its their magic that swallows them whole, unsatisfied and untempered."
And then we have 11 which is Agents Across the Void. This is a spyfall rewrite because I was so sure they were going to bring back parallel universes when they mentioned ‘multiple earths’. So in this one Rose, Tentoo and Torchwood are dealing with the same problem that the intelligence organisations are in the episode. But with Thirteen’s surprise appearance they now know what they’re fighting against
Here’s a snippet from chapter 3:
“You can’t seriously believe her?”
Once again the Doctor opened his mouth to speak but was again interrupted, this time by the other blonde woman.
“Is it because I’m a woman? Is that why you don’t believe me? I told you, I could end up with two heads after a regeneration, gender is hardly any different.”
Rose turned her head to address her over her shoulder, not turning away from her husband. Ignoring the insinuation that she couldn’t accept the Doctor because of gender.
“This has nothing to do with that. The walls are sealed, we’ve checked, you can’t be here. And the Doctor would never leave themself stranded here.”
The woman seemed frustrated by Rose’s continued insistence that she couldn’t be who she said she was and began to pace the length of the room in front of the wall she’d tumbled through only moments before.
“I didn’t come here on purpose. In fact, I didn’t think I could come here at all! I was investigating attacks on intelligence agents and these creatures of light that were responsible. But then it all went a little pear-shaped. Urgh, pears.” The woman paused in her pacing for a moment to exclaim her disgust before continuing, “And it appears that the Master is not only alive but parading around as an ex MI6 agent who's actually in league with these creatures who attacked me.
“I ended up in this other dimension/reality/plane, still not entirely sure what it was. When these lights started to coalesce, I touched one and suddenly I was falling and I ended up here. Where is here, exactly?” She finally came to a stop facing them as the question fell from her lips, ending her tirade.
Thanks for the ask sweetie, got a bit carried away on this one
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