I think the scene with laios and shuro beating the hell out of each other was rly good for them <3
I did that with a friend once bc we'd been keeping our issues bottled up for a year and then just kicked eachothers asses on the volleyball court, hair pulling, biting, kicking, the works
sometimes the only way to communicate and also get closure is by eating and dishing out a coupla knuckle sandwiches ^^
well, although I would argue that social conflicts that can only be resolved by building up to such explosive pressure that it results in violence could probably be handled in other ways before they get to that point
but then I am a man, and I know intimately just how hard the pressure to Keep A Lid On It™ is. we aren't supposed to have feelings which are not anger, so anger becomes literally the only outlet for everything, and the only place to find catharsis.
and in that regard, the Laios/Toshiro scene felt... painfully accurate to me. Toshiro was literally incapable of voicing his actual feelings until his anger boiled over hard enough to make him break the iron bonds of polite silence. and I know the jealousy that Toshiro felt at seeing another man able to openly and freely express himself, without shame or paranoia about how he is seen by others
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I think this shitshow with Toshiro stems from the trend of people INSISTING that interpersonal conflict must be a moral failing. Like I think there's something to be said about how people afford so much less patience to people who are autistic in the "wrong" ways, but also Laios and Toshiro just clash on a fundamental level that has nothing to do with that. Hell, you could read Toshiro as autistic as well. People related to Laios' side of the argument but instead of getting any nuance out of it they started projecting their experiences with ableist people onto Toshiro.
AGREE AGREE AGREE. i think that Fandom Brain gets people very used to thinking of conflicts in terms of "who is the bad guy and who is the good guy", so when they encounter a more nuanced conflict they don't really know what to do. i don't think toshiro is a bad person at all, in his conflict with laios he's just exhausted and starving and has been pushed to the limit and from his perspective, laios doesn't even seem that emotionally affected by the situation. i don't think what he said was right and it was pretty cruel, but i don't think he's a villain or deserves to be permanently hated as a character just bc he fucked up this time lol
also yeah you could definitely read him as autistic, and i think that highlights an issue in the autistic community in general bc like....... a lot of autistic people have conflicting needs which can lead to conflict between them/make them unable to stand being around each other. and it's not because either of them are neurotypical or bad people, they're just incompatible. like autistic people who loudly stim vocally and autistic people who meltdown when they have to be around loud noises, for example. it doesn't mean either of them is bad or not autistic, just that they have conflicting needs
i 100% agree with the last part too. i disliked toshiro at first myself bc i had been (and still do ngl) projecting onto laios hard and the conflict they had reminded me of times when people have been mean or angry at me irl for social blunders i've made unintentionally, or when someone i thought liked me/was my friend turned out to actually hate me. it's a common experience for autistic people and that scene resonates with that! but i think it also helps to take a step back from projecting our own traumatic experiences onto the scene and just look at it objectively. laios isn't perfect either and he's the one who actually starts the physical fight by slapping toshiro (i feel like i don't see many people mention this lol). i feel super bad for him in that scene but he's not a perfect victim and has done things wrong himself too
as an autistic person i've also been in situations where i can relate to toshiro too lol, like where someone is overly physically and emotionally familiar with me when we don't know each other well and i've wanted them to back off but haven't been sure how to say it without hurting their feelings. this kind of conflict is far from just being a "neurotypical vs neurodivergent" thing as a lot of people portray it in the fandom
idk i just wish people would think a little more deeply about the scene and put their own emotions and experiences aside to instead consider the conflict with the added context of the individual characters and their respective cultures + the situation they're in. people don't have to like toshiro but i wish they wouldn't paint him as a villain or make up awful shit about him just to justify their feelings when he isn't even that bad of a dude in canon yknow 😑. also we literally see him at rock bottom struggling and freaking out and i think that's important to remember. in a different context i doubt he would have ever said those things to laios
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okay so i have been thinking sooo much lately about Osvald and the father-daughter dynamics he might have with specifically Ochette and Agnea. HOWEVER tonight i was thinking about how he and Throne would interact, and how different their dynamic would be from the other two girls.
like, okay, so i feel like that, for Osvald, it's only natural for him to compliment the others on their magic use, especially in battle when his inhibitions are lowered. so, when Throne uses something like veil of darkness and wipes a whole group of foes, it's not strange to hear him say "nicely done" or something like that.
how do you think that makes Throne feel? her entire life, the only time her "father" ever complimented her skills was when he was making her do terrible things for terrible reasons. do you think she flinches at the words, pit forming in her stomache? she probably feels guilty, reacting that way, because 'what a stupid thing to be upset about, he isn't even your father, and you certainly aren't his daughter.' but then she sees the way he softens around the other girls and deep down, she wishes that he might have been.
it makes her sick to think about how unfair life is.
and Osvald probably doesn't even notice there's a problem, 'cause honestly his people skills are not the strongest. but once he finally does catch on he is at a complete loss at what to do about it.
i think it makes their interactions difficult. neither one knows how to approach something like this, and let's be real, neither of them are the warmest out of the bunch either. osvald probably just stops complimenting her all together, which only makes Throne feel worse because when she was little, at least the compliments meant she wouldn't be expecting a lashing when she returned home. what's worse, being a snake or being a failure?
the real kicker is that i dont even know how they would fix this. they probably part ways never resolving the weird tension they both know exists, for reasons they obviously know about, but are too emotionally damaged to bring up. (Osvald is proud of her resilience. he never says so. Throne truly appreciates his praise. she never lets on.)
anyways whoops sorry i dont have a happy end for this one um goodnight everybody sorry about that!
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If Chenford break up I am blaming you for manifesting it!
i know you don't mean this as a compliment but i am taking it as one, thank you so much anon 😌
i need yall to stop thinking me wanting them to split up means i want them to stay apart, though. like please relax for 2 seconds about that. this isn't a dick wolf show where they'll just pop in a new love interest and there goes chenford forever...they're tied to each other. if they break up, the writers are then going to work to put them back together. that means more content (deeply emotional meaningful content) and ultimately a stronger relationship. grasp that them being apart for a stretch of episodes doesn't mean they won't be interacting – if they break up, i bet we see them interact more.
a lot of people upset about the idea of this are also like...whole hog into the way chenford has been written for years. if you trusted the writers to create a compelling story before, why don't you trust them to do it again? have a little faith and remember that there still needs to be plot on a television show. sure, could they have that without a breakup? yes! i'm not even fully sold there'll be one, it's just my ideal vehicle for a compelling storyline. and i'm allowed to think that, you do not have to agree, and we can all continue living our lives like human beings who enjoy a television show.
anyway: thank u, i love that for me.
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mcyt is like. channel awesome 2.0 but bigger. a lot of genuinely really good diverse and intelligent creators kept in the shadows of the faces of the community (usually cishet white guys at least on the English speaking side, though there’s exceptions, especially nowadays). frequent scandals that drag in innocent people and leave people thinking less of the innocent people involved who just had their name attached to certain projects. a fucking Issue with abusers and sexual predators being protected and allowed free reign to hurt both coworkers and fans. the awful people in the community basically becoming memes and smearing the name of those who just wanted to make innocent content for fun through the mud in the process. terrible handling of sensitive issues off and on screen. it gives me fucking war flashbacks istg
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This is the stupidest most obvious realization of all time, but I think I just realized my avolition affects social things a lot more than I thought? Idk I'm very aware of it when it comes to struggling with self care tasks but for some reason I basically always thought I didn't really have issues with social withdrawal??? Even though it's a super super common symptom but I somehow just thought I didn't have it??? Except that's very obviously not true??? Literally all the time I have the thought "I should text [insert friend here]" or "that conversation in the server I'm in looks interesting I should join" or "I should answer my asks," immediately followed by the thought "but it's way too much effort so never mind." I thought that was just...idk normal? And I think it is normal to a certain extent, but I'm just realizing just how much I do that and it's...a lot. And it's usually combined with the same exact feeling I get that I do associate with avolition around things like making myself food. Huh. Fascinating.
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ok..... some of y'all bout to be real mad at me. the fact that. h.aymitch is literally described as. grey eyed & dark curly brown haired & comes from the seam (yknow where k.atniss & g.ale, both brownskinned indigenous ppl, live) & also canonically struggles with addiction from the trauma he endured in the hunger games & afterward. & ppl still want to depict him as white......... y'all.
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