#mcyt fandom critical

[raspberryberyl]

I'm not the best with words, and I think a few people are already saying these things and doing so better than I could, but I wanted to try to add some of my own points in light of everything happening in the mcyt and generally just cc space. First what I've seen other people are saying: - stop with the "all men bad" rhetoric stuff. point blank. Anyone can be an abuser, anyone can be a victim. Men can be victims, women can be abusers, it doesn't work one way. Not all abusers are men. - on the same note, stop with the TERF ideologies. I know it can be hard to notice, but please think over your words before making a big post that will get all these notes and views. Next point, I know "narcissistic abuse" is a thing people talk about, but it is not a real thing. Phycological or emotional abuse are far better terms, equally valid. Please stop throwing the word "narcissist" around. I know a lot of victims want to describe their abusers as narcissist but this is really vilifying people with NPD and Cluster B disorders. If the person doesn't meet the NPD criteria, or isn't diagnosed, don't call them a narcissist. And remember NOT ALL PEOPLE WITH NPD ARE EVIL AND ABUSERS. - people are rightfully trying to give advice to victims and people hoping they can stop them from going through what they went through, but saying things like "Here's how you defeat a narcissist" or even just "narcissists hate x" is contributing to the stigma that all people with NPD, and also people with Cluster B disorders, are evil, bad, and abusers. Please look for alternative terms. Don't let yourself become part of the problem. Don't let yourself become a reason a victim won't or doesn't feel safe coming out. Listen to victims, and remember not all victims are the same, don't expect victims to act one way. If you think I have said anything wrong please feel free to correct me, also please add on if you have any additional points.

#mcytblr #mcyt fandom critical #fandom critical #raz.posts #fandom discourse #? not sure of that one #lexie marie situation #wilbur situation #gnf situation #punz situation #shubble situation #caitibugzz situation

[lvpnm-moved]

sorry idk if ur still taking fandom crit but

yeah while this mcyt community is much more “”accepting”” in the age of 2022 you have to remember at the end of the day a community run by and made FOR cis white straight ablebodied men is only going to be safe for that group. No matter how “accepting” it is. Better, yeah. Not good. Because it wasn’t made for anyone but that group. i hope i worded that well

yeah and this "acceptance" is mostly only for white queers bc for poc we get the same bs the we normally have on fandoms. hell just look at how ccs always do or say something abt pride month but never say anything abt black history month, and u cant even say its a American thing so the britsh ccs wouldn't know bc the uk also has it.

u get ppl on this same "accenting community" we get nonblacks calling blk ppl self centered bc they spoke negatively abt a ccs bc they did antiblack shit. we get ppl acting like they didnt do racist shit in the past out of their on free will and that it was just "bc ppl were like that during that time". we get ppl saying that theyve apologized/addressed it so we should forget abt it while ignoring that its so easy for them to say "haha im sorry" and move on while ignoring ppl suffering bc of their own privilege. we get talking like we should praise those white men bc they arent racist anymore . ppl saying that not growing up bigot is a "privilage" and that the ccs are victims bc they crew up like that as if the fact they could be bigots is bc of their own privilage as white ppl. or ignoring the fact that some ccs did bad shit on recent years or undermining/shifting the blame for the things in the past even tho they changed. or a white person speaking over a black person that was talking abt a ccs antiblackness basicaly saying that speaking abt it was ignoring that they changed.

like yeah sure dream isnt as antiblack as he used to be but in 2021 he still said to a blk person he didnt believe them when they spoke to him abt experience antiblackness from his community but oh yeah he changed and theres no reason for we(blk ppl) to dislike him at all/s. its always the white queers(or even just nonblk in general) fans that are the first to forget abt those "controversies" and act like theres no reason to believe they are racism and hate them for it when those reasons are in fact very real

its easy to go and say that "the community is very good and accepting" while still ignoring how it treats any minority that isnt a white queers, fandom racism is still very real here

#ok to reblog #fandom rascim #dsmp fandom critical #mcyt fandom critical #antiblackness #cala boca lupin #ty for the ask!

[somehowmags]

ok but seriously this stream really exemplifies a big problem in this community: that people use ctommy’s trauma to excuse his shitty actions towards other people. cjack has been screaming that tommy has been hurting him over and over and over again and people’s excuse every single time has been “oh, but tommy’s traumatized!” why does tommy’s trauma give him an excuse to hurt others? nobody’s allowed to so much as mildly disagree with him but he can be cruel and hurt others bc he’s “coping”? bullshit.

#dream smp #dsmp #tommyinnit #jack manifold #mcyt fandom critical #chatters

[oceanautumn]

the internal battle of genuinely kinda wanting tommyinnit to join the qsmp vs the fact that both dream and quackity stans would lose their FUCKING MINDS and not in a good way either

#qsmp #tommyinnit #mcyt fandom critical

[simplepotatofarmer]

if i'm honest, the mcyt fandom has the biggest case of 'except for the acceptable target' syndrome. they'll make posts about 'handling cringe' but make it clear the acceptable cringe is not dsmp fans or dream fans. they'll talk about growth and nuance and change but it's never applied to the people they hate. bullying is wrong, of course, unless you're 'driving out' the dream fans.

there is always an exception to any of these statements, there's always someone who you're allowed to treat poorly and i really hope one day the fandom can move away from that and be kinder.

#loyal talks about stuff and things #mcyt #mcytblr #inspired by the fact the other day someone reblog a life series post of mine #and i got hate #or that poll i posted with techno and etho that made me have to private my blog for a bit #i just wish people would chill #fandom critical

[hopalongfairywren]

Why does nobody draw c!Hannah or Niki or Puffy or Tina with scars. Like these women lived through WARS. Niki was in multiple. Hannah was fucking blown up. Where are her burn scars anything besides maybe mildly ripped wings. Puffy was a pirate and has survived multiple assassination attempts. I know you guys can draw scars you draw them on your male faves alllll the time. The women don't need perfect unblemished skin guys. You can give them scars or acne or something.

#misogyny in fandom #misogyny in mcyt #hannahxxrose #captain puffy #niki nihachu #tinakitten #dream smp #dsmp #dsmpblr #mcyt #mcytblr #dsmp lore #dsmp fandom critical

[bronzetomatoes]

Remember on the Dream SMP when people built statues and monuments and put up photos and paintings in loving memory of Thrice Dead TommyInnit? And remember when he came back to life, those people were beside themselves with pity? And remember how, within months of that resurrection, nearly all of them returned to treating him as a server-wide punching bag while making excuses for the man who had killed him all three times? Remember how we were all told not to judge them for that?

#look anika's talking! #like the everyday shit we put up with would be LAUGHABLY INEXCUSABLE in another fandom #it was fucking insane #mcyt #tommyinnit #dsmp #fandom critical #discourse

[flamedoesart]

I don't know if this supposed superiority complex over DSMP fans in the overall MCYT community is real or only perceived (only bc I haven't seen much of it) but I will say that if you're a proprietor of that, then Knock That Off Right Now.

A lot of Hermitcraft/Life Series/EmpiresSMP/etc fans were also former DSMP fans. You're not special for making fun of the DSMP fans that are still here.

Last time I checked, it wasn't cute or cool to make fun of someone because of something they actually enjoyed. We know the DSMP ending sucked. We know Dream sucks. We know that other SMPs are able to offer more satisfying conclusions than DSMP ever achieved.

I don't know how much I can stress that just because an ending sucked doesn't mean the whole of something also sucked. So what, now we're all gonna say DSMP was bad over an ending? Come on, guys.

I'm getting off track here.

My point here is not to shit on on other SMP fans, because quite a few of them are my friends. But I am side-eyeing the ones who suggest that liking DSMP is bad or dumb now because the ending sucked and a specific green man also sucks. Most people didn't watch DSMP because of Dream himself, but because of the amazing artwork and animations and music and storytelling. DSMP had what so many other SMPs now do not, which was a very specific type of niche storytelling that I genuinely believe no other SMP will ever be able to emulate in quite the same way.

There's no point in behaving holier-than-thou because you either never did, or no longer enjoy DSMP. Be nice to the ones who still enjoy it, in spite of everything. Or better yet, be nice in general.

#fandom critical #dream mention #flame talks #mcyt #dsmp

[trashfangirlsworld]

I wish the mcyt fandom didn’t have this problem with being unable to enjoy something without tearing something else down. I’ve been enjoying watching qsmp a lot, but lately I’ve found myself growing more and more distant with the main fandom space because of people claiming that “this is better than dsmp”. This has also started happening with crimeboys recently with tallulah’s addition, which for me is even sadder. I just wish I could enjoy something new together without seeing people shit on the stuff that’s brought me comfort for almost 2 years and that I still enjoy a lot.

#the constant discourse was already bad enough #as I said before I’m still here #and not going anywhere #vent #i guess? #mcyt #fandom critical

[lovelyrose20]

Listen I know it’s a lot is happening and normally I don’t like making posts about giant dramas of the day because I’m gonna be real here. I don’t give a damn for the little shit and sometimes it’s just tiring But I think the biggest problem when it comes to the community is the fact that people tend to try to split things between each other or try to go to two opposite extremes even if it’s something small

Like oh Quackity is a horrible asshole who didn’t respond to Dream for a few week and totally know about the harassment including the awful threats against his family

I’m not an expert but unless I missed something and the threats were actively in the top search of QSMP or Quackity tags in the Spanish side of things talking about all those horrible things involving Dream’s family. I highly doubt that Quackity would’ve read all of them, and even if he did, it will probably just be saying bad things, not straight up, threatening and making assassination attempts over a minecraft server because I doubt he would be happy at the threats even if he didn’t say it publicly. I think there’s a better way he could’ve handle it rather than just ignoring it and hoping that if he just not feed the mob, they would calm down eventually since sometimes a Twitter mob would not calm down even if you give it time. But that doesn’t mean he deserve harassment over it or being called an awful friend or people badmouthing his server and the people in it because of stupid decision on his part.

Oh Dream secretly want people to be harassed and that’s the reason why he wrote a a 10 page Twitter post.

Whatever you feel about him now and even though that, I think there’s better ways to explain the situation, and airing out friendship beef is not a good idea on principle because that would just make the situation worse, explaining that you want your friend to tell his community not to harass people and talking about how you were threatened over the similarities of a Minecraft server that we don’t even know is copying shit, with the only thing being that they are multiple languages and because he got bad timing is not him being an asshole. The worst I will say is that he was being irresponsible and emotional ass, but I don’t think he was being evil or trying to induce a riot. Especially when it’s involved his family being in danger which would pissed anyone off

Tommy shouldn’t be making a joke about the situation and he’s being a bastard or Tommy have every right to make that joke and it’s a good sign that he hated Dream or something

Buddy, don’t you consider the fact that maybe Tommy made a joke because he thought it was funny and didn’t think it through. We’re talking about the kid who wants to make sure that his closest friends approve of some of the skits that he played. Like I remember when people are concerned Tubbo is super mad during the wedding video only for Tubbo to say yeah I wasn’t upset. It wouldn’t shock me if he ask Quackity and Dream about it. Plus, even if he did step out of line and he deserve to be someone called out for it. That don’t means that it’s a not for him to be dox and his family threatened. Some people try to say that since he hate Dream so much, he should’ve deleted his videos with him. Like he made one video making a joke that probably didn’t land well. You could be uncomfortable, You can call him out, hell you could stop watching him after. But threatening his mom to hurt her to supposedly get her to talk to her son is not gonna make things faster. In fact, that would make things worse because guess what no one likes being threat over a joke. We can say that he made a bad joke, and you shouldn’t have made it because for multiple reasons, but that’s not an excuse to threaten him. And if we go by the logic that this video means that he hates him what does that mean for people like Phil who he made joke about does that mean he hates them too? Especially since some of the people we make jokes are all his friends, so should we assume that he hates them?

But no, these people is evil because they made a bad joke or because they didn’t show attention to a situation and because they look at several things that they’re totally evil and such and they never care about their friends and they’re horrible idiot who do so much wrong, and should be grounds for harassing them

Doesn’t that sound familiar?

These creators are not gods or the devil. They’re people and We can criticize them about making posts that also give away friendship drama while I do acknowledge that maybe they have a right to be upset when they were literally being tracked in their goddamn car

We can acknowledge that that joke isn’t funny because hey, I know this seems pretty ridiculous to you and you want to make a small little jab about it, but we got harassed over it without deciding to turn around and do the same goddamn thing to that person

We can criticize people without deciding to make them hear from here like we can criticize people without telling their mom that you’re going to assault her unless she tell her son to cool it, and we can criticize them without making dramatic posts about how there’s totally evil now and how because they made one bad decision in a friendship or in a relationship. Suddenly, they are pure evil and now you’re going on a giant rant they’re actually an evil bastards who don’t deserve attention.

They deserve to be criticize and told what they did wrong, and how to improve without their families getting hurt in the process.

Edited it because my grammar was somewhat shit.

#fandom critical #mcyt #dsmp #dream smp #tommyinnit #dreamwastaken #quackity #quackity smp #tw harassment #discourse #mcyt discourse #qsmp

[hushimstressed]

The recent tubbo drama on Twitter just might be the most brain dead thing I’ve seen in a while

Tubbo and his friends initially cut contact with Fin until he came back a year later after educating himself,, does Twitter just straight up not believe in self improvement and that you’ll always be a bad person no matter what???

And the fact that TUBBO is getting dog piled for something AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERSON has done is genuinely mind numbing

Some have argued that it’s tubbo’s responsibility to not have a bigot on his stream and yet it’s totally fine for aimsey/sneeg/ranboo/5up to do the exact same?? The double standards istg

#sorry lads I had to get this out of my system #have now realised I should have stayed away from Twitter #quitting twitter round 2 lets go #tubbo #fandom critical #mcyt

[lvpnm-moved]

I think it's also the fact ranboo specifically made himself a voice and said he would use his platform to support poc and then didn't. that's part of why he's being focused on rn. he specifically said he would do more and put himself in position to use his platform and then didn't really follow through. other ccs have been called out for not supporting poc or using their platforms, but rn people are pointing out ranboo's hypocrisy specially bc he talked about the issues the queen dying caused in england but (to my knowledge) hasn't talked about any poc struggles

Yeah like it's not being unfair and "holding him in a different standard " for waiting him to follow through his promises.he was basically the only cc the acknowledged the problem of poc being ignored ofc we gonna get mad at him.

Its so frustrating bc we get nonblacks talking Abt how it makes sense and it's ok for ccs to ignore us and focus on queer ppl. Like they have all the time and energy in the world to do shit for pride but we basically get not even a single tweet Abt black history month.

And when we talk about how this community is unwelcoming to blk and other poc, both from the fans and ccs sides, we get it ignored, told we are self-centered and acting entitled, have the racist shit that was done undermined and ignored,that we should praise them for not being racist, being villanized bc we critized their favorite white guy, etc etc

Like it's a problem within all the community if u feel that ppl don't call other ccs out yall either ignoring poc and shutting or y'all aren't being good enough talking Abt it.

The only time in the last two years I've seen white ccs "did something Abt" poc issues and struggles was last year when a dono told tubbo Abt bhm and he donated to black charity and.... Ranboo promising he would be more openly supportive of poc after realizing he was part of the problem of ignoring us, and then he forgot Abt it yesterday . Just bc others ccs are doing bad shit treating us as afterthought doesn't mean ranboo should just get way with being a hypocrite and continuing treating us like that after saying he would do better

#ok to reblog #cala boca lupin #fandom racism #ranboo critical #ranboo crit #mcyt fandom critical #dsmp fandom critical

[somehowmags]

imo tommy should be sidelined more in aus. a lot of the time he just does not fit the role people are trying to put him in lmao

#like with royalty aus theyre always like he's a neglected and lonely prince and its like thats ooc for everyone #cause wilbur and phil and techno would not neglect him (most of these are sbi aus) #but you know who Would fit that role? fundy would. #and then in like superhero aus its like he's a scrappy and alone superhero vigilante while wilbur/sbi are cool important superheroes #and its like yeah cool i guess but. #he's just not that. if anything he'd be wilbur's sidekick. or he wouldn't even be a hero #jack definitely is a scrappy and alone superhero vigilante who regularly gets the shit kicked out of him though! #like. he's not the main character. there is no main character. a lot of these aus are just deeply ooc for everyone #just so that tommy can be the main #warping the characters to fit the plot when it should be the other way around #i have DEFINITELY complained about this before lmao #chatters #mcyt fandom critical #<- only kind of #dsmp

[10piecechickenmcnugget]

About to be a little #fandom critical while I’m still mildly delirious

One of my biggest pet peeves is people who draw/write cquackity and cpurpled as friends or even just like on good terms that aren’t forced

you can’t look me in the eyes and tell me that alex “no one will remember you” quackity and purpled “I don’t think there will ever be a point in time where I respect you as a person” bedwars are friends

#About to rant in the tags #Like #i understand if they have a mildly positive relationship due to just living and working in the same place #And because purpled was faking friendliness to make himself less suspicious #But they do not like each other. They are not friends. Let alone found family #mcyt #dsmp #dream smp #purpled #quackity #c!purpled #c!quackity #fandom critical #las nevadas #Like I’m all about dynamics that don’t exist have you seen my golden duo posts but this one always bugs me #purpled did not say “I’m going to fucking kill you” and kill Quackitys best friend and team up with stage duo to blow up las nevadas #For you to tell me “yeah they’re friends :)” “they have a family dynamic :):)” #There’s no genuine heat behind this I’m just tired #Also Quackity did not blow up purpleds house and watch him murder slime and CHEER AND CLAP WHEN HE DIED for you to tell me he cares about #him #like. they fucking hate each other. they’re mean little assholes who do not get along #this being said I have read fics and things where they have a friendlier dynamic but those were NOT canon compliant #If you made it down here thank you for coming to my ted talk #10piecetalks

[simplepotatofarmer]

look, i'm not a big fan of 'white dude pretends to be bigoted for a joke' and never have been. never liked it when jschlatt does it, never liked wilbur's pretend incel bit, don't even like tommy's 'i love the queen' shtick. i think it's tasteless even though i recognize it's all a joke or a bit.

however.

i firmly believe if you're gonna be pissed about one white dude's 'haha this is bigotry' jokes, y'all better be pissed at all of them because otherwise it's very clear that your outrage is solely based on whether or not you like said white man. and if you, yourself, are white then it's doubly shitty and lowkey, um, well.

#i think these sorts of jokes suck when anyone does them but like. #at least be consistent about it instead of picking and choosing your bigotry #loyal talks about stuff and things #mcyt #dsmpblr #dsmp #mcytblr #fandom critical

[redwinterroses]

tfw a post escapes containment into fandoms you've never even HEARD of

#my writing post has gone from mcyt to the miraculous ladybug fandom #into anime and doctor who with a brief side-trip in spn #through tma and critical role and somehow even a dash of the mlp fandom #back to naruto specifically for a while and a little jaunt into kpop fic writers #and now it's into something that I haven't been able to decipher yet from the tags but they're all using the same vaguepostings #so i expect to learn about a new show or book or something soon #redwintertalks