I think fans want Jason to be a good person or be becoming one. To have a character that is well meaning and compassionate but decided murder is ok and to stand against main heroes who’s beliefs and actions go against the people he cares about and wants in his life. It’s confusing for people. People want their fav characters to be happy. But Jason can’t have his family’s support and follow his moral code. He’s cares about people and Gotham, and he’s an asshole who kills. It’s messy. It’s not black and white. I don’t even think Jason cares about being a good person or in the right anymore. I think he cares about what will save the most people instead.
Oh my goodness gracious I’ve been bamboozled
Batman’s definition of Good is not synonymous with absolute good/right no matter how much dc insists it is. Torture, battery/assault, surveillance, those are all condemnable actions too. I won’t get into the exhausting and frankly dumb debate of comic book morality wrt killing because I’ve already reblogged plenty of posts from other people who explained my thoughts on the matter far better than I ever have the patience to sit down and articulate. I also just think the notion that there’s something to be done about fictional characters who kill nazis and senseless murderers is stupid. Jason’s point is that the “main” heroes’ sanitized definition of right has its unaddressed holes and flaws which ultimately result in more preventable fatalities, and that he’ll work to correct those missing spots.
He doesn’t not care about doing what’s right. What he doesn’t care about (at least during his Winick characterization) is whether Batman thinks he’s right or wrong, because he sees the flaws in Batman’s methodology (and since he has a mind of his own). Batman’s methods alone cannot address Arkham’s revolving door and the rogues that come and go through those doors who have no intention (or capability from the doylist pov) of ever changing or undergoing redemption. Jason knows that he’s minimizing the number of preventable deaths by killing his targets, typically Characters Who Simply Do Fucked Up Shit Just Because, Why The Fuck Not?
Secondly, Jason is compassionate … to a fault. That was his fatal flaw. If he wasn’t so hell-bent on saving his potential birth mother he just met from that bomb despite everything she did to him prior, he could have protected himself instead, however slim his odds of survival were. What about his relationship with his other parents? He was a caregiver during his early childhood years for Catherine, until her death. Even mature adults who are financially stable find being a caregiver to a dying parent to be extremely burdensome on their bodies and minds, but he never complained about it or resented Catherine for being unable to care for him. Despite how none of his parents have really been what he needed them to be, he doesn’t blame them for their failings, and even continues to think highly of them (Bruce included).
And post-death? Enter Lost Days. Despite being dead set on plotting his revenge on Bruce, he constantly sidelines this in order to save other victims who are helpless like he once was. His own anger, trauma, and mission don’t remain his priority. (Sound familiar? Something something my own trauma above my son’s, mission above all else, etc.). Why would he waste precious time and risk his own life to do this if he wasn’t empathetic towards these victims or didn’t care about doing the right thing. He is simultaneously horribly traumatized and full of rage, and also incapable of ignoring what’s happening to victims around him (even as he claims that it’s indeed not his priority). And in that same vein, the entire premise of his rebirth outlaws run was that he doesn’t care if the public views him as a villain, an outlaw, so long as he can protect Gotham. And anyway where is this portrayal of him not caring about being in the right anymore. Almost every modern Jason story is about him grappling with where he stands with Bruce/Batman. During the early 2000s was probably the last time he did not care (hello, tentatodd??).
Jason has very evidently been portrayed as a kind and compassionate character. He is also simultaneously a calculated killer who doesn’t hesitate to kill when he deems necessary, and does so without remorse. It’s called being a Complex Character With An Edge™ that as you said, people so often claim to love. However when he fulfills that latter part, that seems to upset people because “killing bad”, and they then try to shave off and round out all his edges and claim he shouldn’t be that angry. In that case I guess you should just stick to liking traditional one-dimensional characters instead of claiming to like Jason but then encouraging his character assassination attempt by dc. Lol.
Lastly, who said anything about the batfam making Jason happy? Just because he’s written nowadays to want acceptance from Bruce (a shoddy attempt at forcing a non-existent nuclear batfamily), doesn’t mean that it’s a sound decision or that it does his character justice. I certainly don’t empathize with the idea that Jason needs the family’s approval or acceptance to be happy. (And anyway he has enough outlets for angst and pain aside from the batfam hello explore his other sources of trauma and do more deep dives into how he thinks when he’s alone). I don’t want them to magically make up and become one big happy family. This is not disney Lol. Besides, there are plenty of stories from dc that have that type of “wholesome” (hate that word utilization) characterization for Jason (Li’l Gotham, Tiny Titans, wfa, and even new stuff like the brave and the bold mini) and that is sufficient imo. Jason fans who are invested in the character deserve accurate, nuanced characterization and well-written stories, whether they be from his robin days (e.g., Batman: The Cult) or as red hood.
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I want you guys to know that I’m aware I reblog completely contradictory shit all the time and that I just rb whatever is funniest at the time. You will never know my true thoughts…..
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yaknow what, all my work is free to steal. this is a safe space. read my words and let them inspire you. then write some more of the same thing. there is bliss in abundance. I cannot hate creation. I am like a Jedi; I have no possessions. Everything i am is yours. take it all and use it for I am but a vessel of the force (vile anakin smut). fear nothing on my page. I will never lift a hand to harm another. what I command is yours to take.
read the tags plz <3
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not to tempt fate or anything but one thing i’m glad to not have to deal with as much in the post s2 ofmd fandom environment is people arguing that the crew is lazy and useless and izzy is the only one keeping things together
anyway it’s so weird how in s2 once the gang was all back together again everything ran smoothly and they didn’t make a big deal out of all the work everyone needed to be doing constantly and we actually mostly just saw them hanging out and chilling the whole time. the only time the show made any sort of commentary about work it was in episode one when we learn ed has been working his crew to the bone doing back-to-back raids with no stop. it’s almost like in s1 izzy was characterized as being all work and no play as part of the writers’ goal of making him an unpleasant antagonist and not because this show actually cares about telling a story about how hard work is an important part of being a pirate.
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what’s so funny is this spirituality drama was started by a person that basically posted “i don’t understand why some radical feminists don’t believe in witchcraft or don’t even show an interest in it” on the website of literalist blunt skeptical women who read the words “i don’t understand” and go “ok let me explain.” and then upon receiving a bunch of answers explaining exactly why many of us are critical of spirituality, was like “wow they’re attacking my beliefs, they don’t get what spirituality means to ME” when yall are the ones saying you literally think it is sad and closed-minded for us to not entertain spirituality in our OWN feminism and personal belief systems, and making all of these masturbatory posts about how uniquely enlightened you are because of your spirituality. and then you go on wondering why so many of us hate “woo woo” shit
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you sound like my ex friends. If you can’t handle your friends constant venting then you are a horrible friend and if they kill themselves their blood is on your hands I hope you can live with that guilt. Let friends vent to you don’t be selfish.
Nobody owes you endless hours of therapy time just because you get along well. As I said before, friends can absolutely care about and support each other by being there to vent to each other, but “constant venting” is unhealthy and damaging. It takes a toll on the other person, especially if they are in a bad place themselves and may not have much capacity for additional negative things. It could be triggering, and that’s not fair to the person listening. Also, venting everything to everyone is dangerous, as someone could use sensitive information against you.
Having boundaries is not selfish. The healthiest thing to do is to ask your friends if they have the capacity for you to vent to them at that moment. If they say yes, that’s great. Go ahead. If they say no, or if later they need to stop, then you need to respect their boundaries. And, of course, your friends should extend the same respect to you. You will lose friends if you continue to overstep lines and overwhelm them with constant negativity, especially if they feel like you’ve trapped them and they can’t ask you to stop. It’s about consent.
If someone is suicidal, and they are in immediate danger, then they are in need of professional help. Friends with limited knowledge in mental health and crisis prevention can only do so much. And if they happen to be suicidal themselves, it could be triggering enough that we might end up with an additional preventable death. Even if they are not, suicide is a very serious and very heavy topic and it needs to be handled by those who are trained for it.
What happens if the untrained friend is unsuccessful in trying to help the other stay alive? Is their blood still on their hands? That is an incredible amount of responsibility that one should reserve for those who can handle it properly. Referring your friend to a professional can save their life.
• If perhaps you mean venting about this in addition to professional help (meaning once they are out of immediate danger), if your friend has the capacity for you to vent about this to, then again, that’s great. Go ahead.
-One time a friend was talking about their suicidal thoughts during a time when I was also suicidal. I tried so hard not to stop them, but it was so triggering I nearly had a panic attack and a meltdown. How exactly was I supposed to help them in that state?
-One time someone who was an acquaintance at best tried dumping some vents on me because they thought I had the same mental health diagnosis they did (I didn’t). I was in an extremely dark place and told them I was sorry and I couldn’t handle it, and they blocked me. We’d barely spoken.
Supporting the idea that people (neurodivergent or not) have the right to spread constant, potentially-triggering negativity to their friends just because they think they owe them is toxic behavior, and I suggest everyone backing this speak to a therapist about it. Especially if you’re threatening your friends with suicide.
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people here watch sapnap’s kick streams btw
Mmm I see, I actually had no idea tbh.
Gunna mention this here while on the topic. I do not, and will not, ever support Sapnap streaming on kick. I will never watch any of those streams (unless uploaded to YouTube after) nor step foot on that app.
I’ve basically keep this mentality since he joined and despite Sapnaps “efforts” to change the community there, I simply don’t believe it. I believe he might’ve had good intentions, but undoubtedly it was probably mainly decided bc of money. Which fair. I just wish he was forward about that instead of this “promise” he said after twt called him out for this undoubtedly stupid deal. That place just isn’t welcoming or safe for his demographic.
Anyways that’s it. I still love Sapnap and watch his daily twitch streams. I genuinely rarely talk about “drama” or really anything on here so I guess I might as well 🤷 I talk more on my twt
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