#no-fly list

[the-final-sif]

I feel like there's two parts to the no fly list leak that are getting overlooked right now

1) the person in question has the handle "maia arson crimew" meaning media outlets have to cite "crimew" as the person they're quoting, which is amazing.

2) From everything I've read, crimew didn't actually commit a crime (in this case at least). According to crimew, the no-fly list was discovered on a publicly accessible server, totally unsecured. crimew was using Shodan which is a totally legal tool regularly used by a lot of the security community for research. Schools use and provide access to Shodan, it's a normal tool. Nothing crimew was doing was out of the ordinary. Her access and use of the file was most likely legal (or at least next to impossible to prosecute), given that it was publicly accessible.

crimew even notified CommuteAir of the data vulnerability. Which prevented more sensitive data from leaking, and was absolutely a sign of acting in good faith. Her obligation to even do that is a pretty gray area, but she did it anyways.

Now, crimew has gotten charged by the US in the past for other things, however, Swiss citizens cannot be extradited against their will. So the proceedings were suspended. She could only be charged under Swiss law, and given that the data is/was publicly accessible and the exposure was for public good, that's very unlikely to happen.

The people actually getting investigated by congress/the FBI/the TSA are the idiots at CommuteAir that were hosting the no fly list on an unsecured publicly accessible server. They're the ones who actually get in trouble for failing to have followed basic security protocols. They're the ones who had a legal obligation to safe guard that data, and they're the ones who fucked up.

#sif speaks #maia arson crimew #no-fly list #politics #to be clear to people in my inbox #I already edited this post to fix the accidentally switch to them/they #The remaining uses of them/they aren't referring to crimew #they're referring to other people #I can't do anything to update reblog chains though

[lemony-lilly-2]

wait so you're telling me that the no-fly list is NOT public information even though it has THOUSANDS of names? and people arent notified when they get put on it??? im sorry what? thats so fucking ridiculous thats literally a government blacklist. do you guys know how bad that is. (and white libs wanna use it for gun control? yeah absolutely make it easier for the feds to racially profile and disarm poc, see how that goes).

EDIT: several people have mentioned that its. 1.4 million people. so uhm. what the fuck guys

#crimew #politics #no fly list #no-fly list

[dizzyhslightlyvoided]

No thoughts, head "holy fucking bingle".

This phrase is going to haunt me forever. Like, at least a week :3

#shenanigans #holy fucking bingle #holy fucking bingle. what?! :3 #:3 #maia arson crimew #no-fly list

[aunti-christ-ine]

#comic strips #pearls before swine #stephan pastis #no-fly list #dad jokes #bad pun #cartoon

[a-wine-dark-sea]

literally wtf is going on

#no-fly list #tsa #news

[gwydionmisha]

#Surveillance State #Maia Arson Crimew #No-Fly List #News

[lullabiestoparalyze]

"holy fucking bingle" is being added to my lexicon immediately

#holy fucking bingle #maia arson crimew #no-fly list

[alwaysbewoke]

#lmao #humor #funniness #laughter #comedy #hilarious #funny moments #laughter therapy #humor therapy #smiles #laugh out loud #airport altercation #passenger dispute #airline employee #pregnant woman #physical confrontation #bystander intervention #airport security #no-fly list #witness statement #law enforcement response #travel disruption

[lesbianralzarek]

how to check if youre on the no-fly list

what to do if youre on the no-fly list

anybody know how the rest of us can help?

#no-fly list

[jasperjv]

I'm just saying

#transphobia #screenshot #twitter #no-fly list #holy fucking bingle #twitter thread #alt text

[aspiringbelle]

For those who do not remember, the No Fly List is a big deal.

Not long after it was first introduced, it was majorly controversial due to "false positives". Ted Kennedy was kept from flying, ostensibly due to having a similar name to an IRA terrorist. Catherine Stevens, Ted Stevens wife, was prevented from flying by her name being similar to the name of Yusuf Islam before he converted to Islam (Cat Stevens). Mohammed Ali was stopped more than once. (Then again, if you remember the Florida "felon purge" using similar criteria influencing the 2000 election, and the Florida Governor and President at the time, I kind of think it was the point. (We can be glad Trump was incompetent, else he might have done similar!))

One other news story involved a conservative professor who made a speech critical of the George W. Bush Administration. Not long after, he was placed on the no-fly list, a fact revealed to him by TSA personnel.

A few years later, someone leaked a copy to WikiLeaks, but, before they could release it, a guy named Daniel Domscheit-Berg took the data, left WikiLeaks and destroyed it. (He later took thousands to start his own similar organization, which never leaked a single file before shutting down.)

It's worth noting that, per the leaker, the majority of names on the list are Arabic (Islamophobia) and Russian (Russophobia).

One hopes the Republican Congress will investigate, and perhaps do what Democrats should have done years ago and abolish the thing.

#politics #no-fly list #tw police state

[bunny-heels]

i kept going back and forth on if this would be an appropriate thing to post, but i feel like this is another thing that a lot of people should know regarding the situation, especially since all the things i've seen are only visible to the notes of my post that i feel like others need to be aware of.

so since making my post about the no-fly list situation, ive honestly received almost nothing but people absolutely agreeing with it. other than the first reply of that post being someone who called me anti-american, which i deleted, all the notes have been very civil, open, and completely appreciative of what i wrote, and especially it seems like it's given people a lot more respect for both maia and the targeted people of the list.

ive seen people talk about maia's identity and how important it is to acknowledge that what it is was also correlated to what it did. a lot of people being supportive of maia's personal labels and saying that it doesnt matter what you think of them but whats important is what it did. even someone who said they didn't like maia for being a bi lesbian said they appreciated the effort it took to do what it did.

there's a fair amount of tags on the post from people who had their own, or similar experiences related to the list, or general discrimination when it comes to travel. one person who had a japanese teacher who was on the list for protesting the vietnam war. one whos dad was flagged during screening because of his muslim+indian name. one who had a friend whos been on the list since 4 years of age, meanwhile none of their other family is on the list, because they were the only one with an arabic name.

there were people in the notes who were muslim themselves, some not from america aswell, who had very little info even about the list, and when reading about it were absolutely shocked by what was found, but also grateful for its discovery, probably even feeling a lil safer knowing that there is someone who cares about them enough to do something that many, many people wouldnt.

today, someone who was on anon sent a message in my inbox, saying that they appreciated my post for very personal reasons. out of respect i wont share it, but one particular part of it that stood out, among the other details, and something that many, many people in the post notes have been saying is that my post was their exact thoughts on the situation that they couldnt put into words the same way i did.

i think theres another important thing that people are missing about the no-fly situation. something i've seen myself, which many people will completely discouraged and say it's dangerous.

you should not be scared to talk about and have opinions on things you care about. because if you cared about them, then it doesn't matter what others think of you. if you say an opinion and you lose a friend over it, that's their decision. you lose family over it, that's their decision. you lose followers/subscribers/supporters over it, that's their decision. it's everyones decision to do what they feel depending on the reactions they have to what you say. there is nothing you can do about it. there is nothing you can do about someone disagreeing with you. and that's okay.

it's okay if you lose a friend, a family member, and supporters. it's okay if they disagree with you. it's okay that they don't want to be around you anymore. because then that means you can be happy. that means you are finally getting room to be who you are and have no one around to tell you otherwise, to tell you that they think youre wrong and deserve to be left alone.

as time goes on, you'll gain people who will care about you again. who agree with your opinions and agree with who you are. people that want to let you know they value your opinion and will keep you in a space with others like you. by then it won't matter what or who is against you. all that will matter is that youve given yourself a new start. a new area to be free and not worry about those who go against you.

it's okay to show that you care about people. that you want the best for them. that you want the world to be a better place. it's okay for you to surround yourself with those who will respect you and care about what you have to say. it's okay that you've formed opinions based around you and others experiences. that's okay. you're okay.

learn to care about yourself. to care about people who are like you and have been through what you have. to listen to others and understand where theyre coming from. you dont know them and they dont know you. and learn to stand up for yourself. be open about what you believe in. dont be afraid of who wont like you. of who will threaten to leave or hurt you for what you think. your opinions and what you have to say are important. you are important. as important as everyone who is similar to you and thinks what you think. you will never lose that.

to people who are also in LGBT+ like maia, i'm glad you have someone to look up to. to the muslim, indian, arabic, hispanic, japanese, chinese, korean, russian, ukrainian, and many others out there, i'm glad you know just how much people care about you and want you to be happy.

and to the anon, i won't post your ask. but i will keep it with me out of joy that i've made you feel comfortable.

#the bun talks #no-fly list #maia arson crimew

[arcticdementor]

TLDR: At what point of market dominance do Online Services become a sort of public utility, where the very market share they sought to build forces them to provide rights beyond the "Terms of Service" to users for the purpose of maintaining a free society?

This was posted over in the SSC Sub on the topic of how do dating apps deal with accused rapists on their platforms. The article takes the view that (some of) the apps aren't doing enough, aren't dedicating enough resources to excluding these people, aren't "protecting women." I'm not particularly interested in asking the questions about what did or didn't happen to these women, but rather I'll note that there was no question of requiring the women provide some kind of proof of their accusations before the apps would be obligated to act, either by the writers or by the apps' representatives; certainly the woman in the article who accused a date of "stealthing" (removing a condom mid coitus) could provide no proof of any kind. The presumption of the author is that the men should be removed if the women request it, and the presumption of the apps themselves seems to be that the men should be removed but they lack the time/energy/tools to do so effectively in all cases.

I would imagine that under the Terms of Service you click through before using the app, it states clearly that they can remove you for any reason at all. And to be fair, being a rapist is a pretty good reason to get removed from a dating app. And clearly, if you're removed from one dating app for being a rapist, it would only behoove another company that learned of this to ban you as well. No mention was made of any notice or appeal process. In fact, they cite as a best practice shadow-banning, where the banned user will still be able to access their profile but no one will ever see them or respond; which I guess isn't far off from most men's experience of online dating anyway, but I really want to know if a shadow-banned user can still buy premium services/subscriptions on the app, and to see that lawsuit for fraud!

Online dating is ever more dominant, even before the irl places you'd meet someone shut down in spells for over two years. The online dating market in turn is dominated by just a few companies who control huge segments of the market, and which have been actively investing in expanding the online dating market by increasing the dominance of online dating, include by using underhanded tactics. Anxiety ridden young men have worried that online dating has become so normal that it makes it weird to approach someone in person, and I wonder if we will reach that point soon. I'm glad I met my wife a decade ago.

So this makes me wonder, in particular with regards to dating services: at what point is dating-by-app such a normal part of a young human life that being unable to date online is a significant disability, and removing that privilege should have some kind of due process attached to it? If we reached the point where the majority of young relationships began online? 80%? 90%? Obviously the same question as comes up for Twitter etc; but the personal nature of it makes it more stark. It's not a question of having access to some particular platform, plenty of banned and de-platformed thinkers still manage to speak, it's the practicality of finding a mate. To say nothing of, once virtually everyone is using some kind of app, it becomes strange that you don't, and you're faced with the anxiety of "Do I tell them why, or lie?"

Up to now, unfortunately, in America we've attached zero credibility to this kind of rights-expansion against private institutions as response to modernity. Flying on an airplane became a privilege that could be revoked at will on suspicion of "terrorism," and neither the Right nor the Left has pushed back much during their respective civil libertarian phases. And colleges have faced little effective pushback on expelling students through kangaroo courts or for political opinions, despite the increasing necessity of tertiary education for many jobs in many fields. The mainstream legal view is that rights stop at the borders of the constitution, even if the framers couldn't picture how essential certain private services are to modern life, and most of the principled libertarians who favor expansive definitions of rights prefer inviolable contracts to government regulation. So I'm not sure I see much hope for this question to be addressed in the public sphere. Which leaves us wondering how it will evolve in the future. Soon the No-Fly list will have an even less fun cousin, I guess.

#reddit #the motte #online dating #no-fly list

[dizzyhslightlyvoided]

Shadow, standing on top of a ruined GUN robot and holding the green Chaos Emerald aloft: Can you tell me where the nearest Hot Topic is!? ZA WARUDO! (warps past Sonic)

Sonic: Holy fucking bingle! Holy fucking bingle! What?! :3

#shenanigans #maia arson crimew #no-fly list #holy fucking bingle #holy fucking bingle. what?! :3 #snapcube #real-time fandub #sonic #shadow the hedgehog #sonic the hedgehog #fusion is just a cheap tactic to make weak memes stronger

[alanshemper]

“The lists found by maia and shared with journalists and researchers confirm the TSA’s (1) Islamophobia, (2) overconfidence in the certainty of its pre-crime predictions, and (3) mission creep.”

#no fly list #holy fucking bingle #maia arson crimew #500 #islamophobia #muslim ban #1k #tsa #dhs #2k #3k #5k #10k

[powdermelonkeg]

Okay but genuinely why is the no fly list a USA government secret. Shouldn't it be public knowledge anyways? Genuinely who benefits from keeping it secret.

#someone explain this to me like i'm five please #esp because you can get banned from flying if your name is SIMILAR to one on the no fly list so shouldn't they give advance warning #that way you can show up with the proper paperwork???