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the-real-sasuke-uchiha · 2 months

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I will never get over the fact that even creepy deranged Orochimaru was considered for the position of Hokage, while my father was excluded simply because he was an Uchiha.

#anti Konoha #pro Uchiha #anti Hiruzen #anti Homura #anti Koharu #anti Orochimaru #pro Fugaku Uchiha

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kcuf-ad · 1 year

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Fugaku: *wants his sons to be the best that they can be, shows that he is proud of them whenever they do something impressive, talks about Sasuke when he is Alone with Mikoto and doesn't want to fight back against his son*

Naruto fans: What an abusive asshole!

Itachi: *killed his clan, showing Sasuke What happened for 72 hours, attacking him 5 years later, makes him watch the massacre again for 48 hours and puts him in a coma, not to mention tried to use Shisui's eye on him*

Naruto fans: What a Great Brother!

#anti itachi uchiha #anti itachi #pro fugaku #pro fugaku uchiha #pro uchiha #pro sasuke #pro sasuke uchiha #anti itachi fandom

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leuces · 2 years

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idk if it's technically canon or not, but is it not actually batshit insane that the chinoike arms dealer guy actually killed his entire clan for funsies and let his daughter be a part of shinobi fighting ring. like we're all over here calling fugaku the worst dad, but at least he isn't selling his kids lmao

#naruto #pro fugaku #pro uchiha fugaku #pro fugaku uchiha

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punkeropercyjackson · 19 days

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I don't buy the 'Sasusakus are a cesspool of homophobic cishets and Sasunaru shippers are a shining light in the fandom who truly understand queerness and media!!!!' allegations because Sasusaku shippers have been nothing but respectful of me headcanoning Sasuke as a trans lesbian because of the combo of her individual character and how her relathionship with Sakura is written and one of my friend's even agreed that Sasuke works really well as a transfem character even though that's not her personal hc and they're always the ones defending Sasuke and the Kunoichi without pitting any of them against eachother and instead uplifting them with an emphasis on their girlhood without being cissexist and also having a nuanced view on the Uchiha clan and Sasunarus think Sasuke hates women so much she can only like men and say none of their pre-Shippuden dynamic counts because Sasuke had more screentime being toxic destructive friends with Naruto and get EXTREMELY up in arms over non-Sasuke guys as Naruto's endgame both on their own posts and even on strangers' and it's like their entire life to spew ironic unironic misogynistic takes and jokes about every female character in existense with their gender as the basis and act like Madara's not a militaristic child groomer who started the Uchiha intergenerational trauma and actively refused to let anybody end the cycle to the point of naming because of how proud he was.Idk i just feel like there's something deeply ironic about Sasusaku being labeled as 'cishet bullshit' while Sasunaru is considered a stepping stone and iconic gay couple despite not ever being canon and calling eachother brothers in-universe and it's worth noting Sasuke expressed she liked Sakura better than Naruto and Naruto never called Gaara,Kiba OR Shikamaru his brother so i think the problem with Sasunaru is just that they don't want the other specifically,not that they're straight LMAO

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leportraitducadavre · 1 year

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Why are the Uchiha considered a non-oppressed group? Naruto's fandom, specifically pro-Konoha readers, tend to claim that neither Sasuke nor his family was actually oppressed nor discriminated against prior to their killing; furthermore, some tend to state that it's for this supposed reason that the massacre was justified, as not only they perceived no injustice when presented with evidence of their treatment at the hands of those in positions of power (who should've had guaranteed their survival at the very minimum, as that was the reason for the village's creation), but also consider their plan to coup a consequence of their "traitorous" nature; a disservice after everything "Konoha did for them".

Some other fans, not much smarter than the first group, are willing to admit some of the discrimination they suffered; but they are reluctant to see such conduct as a learned animosity, labeling it as a "modern occurrence" (when speaking of Hiruzen's timeframe). According to them, the Uchiha had just begun to be discriminated against, so their reaction was disproportionate; apparently, it's mandatory to wait for such bigotry to be repeated for a few generations before considering it a systematic occurrence rather than an isolated event.

Genocide doesn't happen in a vacuum, it's not an option that is plausibly considered if not after years or decades of cultural and political repression and degradation. It's the growth of a slow but consistent process of dehumanization, to the point where those taught under such a regime of thought truly consider their life, rights, and opinions far more valuable and important than those they degrade.

Arresting or even killing the clan members that actually wanted to coup would've been far more understandable had those in power seen Uchiha humane enough for their lives to be considered, to matter; yet the elders quickly saw mass murder as an enticing option, sending one of the kin they wanted to exterminate to do their dirty job so they wouldn't lose "one of their own" and still look pristine.

They were able to do so and still see themselves as agents of peace because they were taught that they were on the right side of history, as the story was told from their perspective; the handwriting of their mentor shines dark and spotless on the parchments of their national library.

And, as for them, there were no real losses that day, their life continued. And those responsible for the death of dozens kept smiling, kept walking amongst the classmates of the children they sent to murder, telling them to fight for their memory, to give meaning to the pain by growing.

The fandom still believes that their death was requited, necessary, and fair; putting the blame of the genocide at most upon two sets of shoulders (Danzo, Hiruzen) instead of (at least) six (Tobirama, Danzo, Hiruzen, Koharu, Homura and Itachi), because they truly think that such an idea can be created out of thin air and it's not the consequence of an oppressive system that it's constantly demoting a specific group's value; because they truly think that the Council is acting on their own volition and isn't abiding the structure set by those before them. To them, four men and a woman created and taught themselves their own moral, social, and cultural parameters for this specific portion of the story before renouncing them and subscribing once again to their teachers (who somehow are painted as ~agents of peace~).

But alas, let's dissect some of their arguments, perhaps like this some of their brilliance shall illuminate us:

Their doujutsu and overall pride as a clan. The Sharingan is probably the most powerful doujutsu inside the Narutoverse (slightly less so than the Rinnegan but that needs the Sharingan as a base to develop), which for them translates into their clan having a “natural advantage” over others during a battle; thus, if they are so strong, how come they are oppressed? For them, that’s a contradiction because they can only phantom oppression if it’s visible, as in physical: literal submission through physical strength. Yet the Sharingan is canonically expressed to be a rare outcome inside the family, a rarity that just a few members of the clan possessed, so it’s a “natural advantage” that not many Uchiha have nor had at the time of their murder. But the tale hasn't finished, because there's a recurrent joke amongst these antis, for "how come the Sharingan is so powerful yet they were whipped by Itachi in just one night!", they shout, hyena laughter amidst their group; yet they don't talk further as not to attract detractors with quick wit, as they don't take into account (can't take into account) not only the prior point but also Obito’s participation -who was in charge of killing the strongest members of the clan but Fugaku (the later who decided not to fight), and without minding the context in itself as Itachi sneaked into clan members' homes and killed them when their back was turned, as he took advantage of the trust they bestowed upon him.

They were the ones who were “entrusted” by Tobirama to make Konoha’s citizens respect the law -summarizing, they were “given” the Police Force. In this specific regard, the police force inside the Narutoverse is directly compared (and therefore, read) to its real-life counterpart, yet: a- The Uchiha’s job was to be carried inside a military state, most of the citizens inside Konoha have tools at their disposal to either evade or fight back the Uchiha's "authority". It's difficult for them to read such phrases for it shatters their self-insertion; how come Naruto isn't about my self-perceived value inside the country I inhabit? b- The Police Force’s power, influence, and control were directly limited by the Hokage, they couldn’t arrest ANBU members (meaning those who were, one in charge of spying on them, and two a big portion of Konoha’s forces). c- Uchiha couldn’t aspire to be something else but members of the police. The only ones who could work outside that specific force were those individuals that abandoned their identities as clan members and swore allegiance to Konoha. Only Itachi (the perpetrator), Shisui, and Kagami (who were luckily dead before the events of the UCM transpired) were shown outside such a limited sphere. No other clan was shown to need such extreme measures to work in their chosen field. The fact that the prison was constructed to be inside their compound prior to them being moved to the outskirts of the city isn’t enough for them to understand that this specific job was forced upon Uchiha. "It's easier for them to keep an eye on the prisoners," they claim, clicking their tongues, yet won't see what it politically entails, for Uchiha members can never detach themselves from their duty, as it was physically adhered to their lands. "It's a duty they could thrive on," they vomit, and they did, yet no one sees -because it all happens inside their own compound. Not a single clan is shown to “have one specific job” inside Konoha but the Uchiha. d- Nevermind the very real and canonic impact that such work has amongst Konoha citizens, as the lesser members of Konoha's militia grow resentful of those that "control" them; in addition, such position also prevents the Uchiha from properly integrating amongst the general population, as they can't commune completely with those they need to keep tabs on. Was the Police Force ever rebuilt after the UCM? ANBU forces were quick to absorb their duties after the Kyuubi attack, decreasing at a much faster speed their position inside the place they built. The Police Force was dismantled and forgotten after the massacre, further proving the real irrelevance of such duty and the actual hidden purpose in its creation. e- How come the Uchiha "monopolized" a force that was literally and canonically given to them? How did they take over and denied anyone else's presence inside that structure when not only did they not create it but the prison was built by the government itself inside their compound? Someone with fewer brain cells than them will think that it's Konoha's government the one limiting the nature of the members that had to forcefully take care of that task, as clan compounds have restrictions on who can enter; but not them -oh no, ah, the wisdom of these people amazes me...

Their members’ popularity. Specifically, Sasuke and Itachi. What they say while fidgeting in their seats is simple: "how come Itachi (prior to the massacre) and Sasuke (after) were so praised by non-Uchiha if they were discriminated against"? And, ah, we could've finally reached enlightenment; yet their worldview is irrevocably simplistic, as systematic oppression doesn’t always translate into direct discrimination at the hands of other citizens. The Uchiha clan was moved to the outskirts of the city without any other family raising any eyebrows, they don’t have to be spitted on by other shinobi for them to be oppressed, that’s limiting the notion of discrimination/oppression to a single factor -the physical one, without minding the others. To explain it in lesser terms, as we must crouch down to speak to them to be on their level, saying that the Uchiha weren’t discriminated against due to lack of physical aggression, and I guess a genocide isn’t enough aggression for some, it’s like saying a man is a misogynist only if he slaps a woman. That way, monetary, social, cultural, and political domination are left out of the discussion, therefore, it’s limiting sexism to individuals’ actions rather than seeing the system these men were raised on and that it built their resolve to, finally, physically attack a woman. Uchiha were the only ones whose value was tied to their biological nature -no other families inside Konoha found as many restrictions as they did (might I remind you that there was a clan that happily enslaved their members and no one seemed to care?), their biology was enough reason to keep them both away of positions of power (meaning that the laws/decisions that influenced their lifestyle were made for them without a single Uchiha consultant), and restricting their movements inside their village. And I know many of these antis will claim “oh, but name one of the other noble clans (but the Nara’s, of course) that are actually in a place inside the Council, none of them were!” And you see, they miss the point by a mile, because the issue isn’t only the Uchiha not having incidence nor right to (at least) vote inside a village they founded, but specifically them being denied such presence under the premise of a biological predisposition that they have no control of. No other clan, whether they are or not at this point in time inside the Council, is denied a future position under those premises, they either can’t achieve it due to their lack of connections (Minato Namikaze, member of a non-noble clan was made Hokage due to his relationship with Jiraiya) or having not enough rank to participate (Morino Ibiki, also from a clan not specifically important, is the Head of the T&I Department).

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queenmikoto · 5 months

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#itachi #sasuke #fugaku #naruto #uchiha itachi #uchiha brothers #uchiha clan #official art #uchiha #fugaku uchiha #itachi uchiha #sasuke uchiha #pro fugaku

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neko-uchiha · 5 months

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I love EVERYTHING about this art

One of the rare times when an official art did sasuke and his fam justice

He is looking so cutuiebsjsbsbs...and then we have shishui..sasuke's mama and dad

Even Itachi is looking good here

The uchihaness❤

The real pure Uchiha family with actual uchihas with characteristic uchiha outfits and facial features celebrating their traditional festival (maybe for the last time before konoha destroys it)

#pro sasuke uchiha #pro uchiha #pro uchiha clan #pro sasuke #naruto manga #naruto #mikoto uchiha #fugaku uchiha #shishui uchiha #itachi uchiha

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heidiikm · 4 days

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I desperately want to know how Fugaku and Mikoto would have reacted to how Sasuke was treated after the massacre. Same with Shisui actually.

I wonder if they would have accepted death the same way or instead would have fought Itachi had they know the fate waiting for Sasuke.

Neither fugaku or mikoto fought itachi as one they couldn’t bring themselves to harm their child. But secondly because as their dying wish, itachi promised he would look after Sasuke. And what did he go and do? Torture this boy beyond comprehension. He never needed to go that far. Sasuke witnessed the Uchiha massacre at the hands of the brother he loved more than anyone over 500,000 times. At the age of seven… he is torn away from everything he loves because of his brother, I think that’s enough to make someone hate another. The extra step with the tsukuyomi really was not necessary. And twice?! Uh huh… it shouldn’t be surprising itachi wouldn’t respect the dying wish of his mother and father considering that atrocities he committed against them already. But it’s still heartbreaking. Idk if I were Mikoto or Fugaku I’d be pissed. And I wonder what Shisui would think. Not only for itachi to kill the whole clan, but then his future crimes too against both Sasuke and as a criminal. Shisui is slightly more complicated as he didn’t support the coup and wanted to protect Konoha like Itachi. But Itachi took it so much further.

The Uchiha clan are the clan of love. They do everything for their family. For itachi to do this is a complete disregard for their culture and everything they stand for and feel. Idk if I were an Uchiha, I’d be appalled.

Just had some thoughts about this and how Itachi completely disregarded his parents’ sacrifice

#pro uchiha #anti itachi #fugaku uchiha #mikoto uchiha #itachi uchiha #shisui uchiha #sasuke uchiha #anti konoha #naruto #anti itachi uchiha

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abattre · 3 months

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The way the one thing Fugaku and Mikoto asked Itachi to do on their death bed was that he take care of Sasuke and Itachi agreed and proceeded to do the exact opposite thing to an absolutely hysterical degree

#like did he think severe psychological torture was what they were asking him for #sasuke uchiha #pro sasuke uchiha #itachi uchiha #mikoto uchiha #fugaku uchiha

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danzohater · 8 months

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every single day i wake up and curse the world because the uchiha did not get to go through with the coup

#pro fugaku until the day that i die #angry that he is depicted as a shitty parent #but minato is treated to be a wonderful father #naruto shippuden #naruto #naruto uzumaki #uchiha sasuke #fugaku uchiha #mikoto uchiha #shisui uchiha #itachi uchiha #uchiha clan

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the-real-sasuke-uchiha · 2 months

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It is always "Fugaku is abusive for sending a child to spy on the village" and never "Konoha is abusive for sending a child to assasination missions, having him spying his own kind and extorting him into betraying his family and commiting a genocide".

#pro Fugaku Uchiha #anti Konoha #leave my father alone #I would like to see you in his place #Konoha manipulated and abused Itachi for their genocidal ends #They were the only ones to use Itachi as a weapon #not Fugaku

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kcuf-ad · 1 year

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If Fugaku, Shisui, Izuna, Madara, Itachi, Sasuke and Obito ever teamed up, it's all over. The world is getting bent by the Uchihas at that point.

Like what are they going to do? We have one guy on par with Naruto, a man that can make Kurama his bitch, 2 Genjutsu masters, a man that wipped his ass with 5 Kage, a man of when he was 12 was throwing hands with Minato and Izuna who has the Mangekyou Sharingan. Not to mention, two of them were the Ten Tails Jinchuriki.

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itsthehiddenleafway · 1 month

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I find it funny that people say Fugaku "failed" Itachi because he took a four year old to a war zone to show that this is how life works as a Shinobi they're warriors it's a way of to show at an early age to what expect when and if one gets into war by their preteens they're already on member teams and already killing their enemies one can easily turn away from an Shinobi life Itachi could have easily turn away and find other purpose to fulfill one's duty as a member of the village but Itachi was already way beyond his years before Fugaku "traumatized" Itachi and sooner or later one will eventually find out about what a battlefield looks like in the line work of Shinobi so really Fugaku was actually preparing Itachi NOT traumatizing him 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

I mean for peek sake Madara was already killing at that age in his time

#naruto #pro uchiha clan #uchiha itachi #uchiha family #fugaku uchiha #pro naruto #naruto fandom

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mindsoulchaos · 2 years

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About Fugaku and Minato...

Look, I can get the thought pattern behind calling Fugaku an abusive father. Admittingly, he was not the best father (personally, I wouldn't call him abusive, he was more distant, demanding and awkward than anything, so putting him in the same bag as the likes of Hiashi and Rasa just doesn't sit well with me). However, I always laugh up my sleeve a bit when I see the very same people who portray him as evil and abusive staning or even wanking Minato, calling him a perfect father and singing his praises just because he's handsome and outwardly charming/friendly. Like, the irony of it.

Minato, the "best father of the year material" who literally turned his baby son into a WMD to ensure the village's military strength. Thus causing Naruto to be ostracized and hated by Konoha villagers until he saved their stupid, ungrateful asses. Also, the fact that Naruto's first reaction upon meeting Minato was to punch him in the guts only proves further my point lol xD

Compare this to Fugaku who, while not a flawless parent, was willing to let himself get killed by his own son because he didn't want to fight (and possibly kill) him, and even had a few nice words for him. The son who sided with their clan’s oppressors. And the last thing he did before dying was literally asking Itachi to protect Sasuke.

Don't get me wrong, I don't even fundamentally dislike Minato (altho IMO he's a bit of a gary-stu...)... But this level of cognitive dissonance/double standard/whatever you want to call it is just beyond me.

#anti minato #kinda #anti konoha #anti shinobi system #pro uchiha #anti itachi #never understood that #uchiha fugaku #fugaku uchiha #fugaku isn't even a villain #anti will of fire

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skrhana · 5 months

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