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queenmikoto · 5 months
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kcuf-ad · 1 year
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Fugaku: *wants his sons to be the best that they can be, shows that he is proud of them whenever they do something impressive, talks about Sasuke when he is Alone with Mikoto and doesn't want to fight back against his son*
Naruto fans: What an abusive asshole!
Itachi: *killed his clan, showing Sasuke What happened for 72 hours, attacking him 5 years later, makes him watch the massacre again for 48 hours and puts him in a coma, not to mention tried to use Shisui's eye on him*
Naruto fans: What a Great Brother!
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Shame my father for "bad parenting" all you want. Distort his words to pretend he was abusive all you want. My father would not lay a hand on his child to save himself, his wife or his clan. My father had lost everything and all he cared about was me. I dare you to find a better father in Konoha. I dare you to find a greater familial love in any of your heroes.
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danzohater · 8 months
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explaining the uchiha coup but i get to the part where shisui was going to use kotoamatsukami on fugaku
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narutocharacterpolls · 9 months
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wait why are so many sasuke fans saying fugaku wasn't so bad...... 🤨 didn't he make sasuke feel inferior and like a dissapointment bc itachi was his favourite child, and didn't even care enough about sasuke to attend his graduation until itachi basically pressured him into it. their mother is the one who was like "oh he's just bad at communicating" making excuses for him lol, but it doesn't change how badly he treated sasuke for years. not that samurai are a better option, but fugaku should go in the fire with all the other shitty dads lmao (ps. thanks for running this poll btw, life has been really tiring recently and this has amused me so much, I appreciate all the effort you've put in for us haha)
As we discussed, I will just be responding to the initial question of this to hopefully give some insight as to why many Sasuke lovers do actually like Fugaku.
First and foremost Sasuke doesn’t even dislike his father, Sasuke loves him!
Aside from that though, to actually delve into it, I feel that most Sasuke lovers are Uchiha lovers to begin with. People who tend to sympathize, relate to, understand, and adore Sasuke extend that to his clan which has been wronged for far longer than the Uchiha genocide. They went through decades on decades of being oppressed, and Fugaku had that weight on his shoulders to be responsible for the fate of his clan and how they were to be treated ongoing. He was under a lot of pressure and his focuses, unfortunately, did have to be diverged from Sasuke, and from Itachi in a way that Itachi actually needed. Sasuke was a kid and wasn’t included in knowing the situation their clan had been put in. He doesn’t know why his father is so incredibly busy and not solely focused on family. He’s a kid. He just doesn’t know. He wants attention and praise— which he does actually get from Fugaku, just not in the way and the intensity he desires it.
Fugaku never treated Sasuke in an abusive or even negative way, he just hadn’t given him praise in the exact way that Sasuke desired. His comparison of Sasuke to Itachi, to me, seems to be put in a way of encouraging Sasuke to grow, and alternatively sometimes telling him that it’s okay to slow down and not be like Itachi. Did this sit well with Sasuke? No, Sasuke didn’t receive that in a way that was beneficial to him, however Fugaku clearly had no malicious intent. Sasuke was a kid— a younger sibling at that— he’s going to take comparisons to his brother very personally. Nonetheless, Fugaku still praised him and gave him attention when he could, it just wasn’t well received from Sasuke (again, a clueless child to the situation at large).
Fugaku was frankly bad at communicating, and he was absolutely a little emotionally reserved. He wasn’t good at expressing his emotions, but he still clearly loved his family. He was with them when he could be, but again he had a LOT of expectations and weight on his shoulders at all times.
Yes, Fugaku gave more attention to Itachi, but he genuinely needed to. It wasn’t that Itachi was his favourite child, it’s that Itachi was (supposed to be, believed to be) a large and important role in the Uchiha coup d’état. So not only was Itachi someone he could give attention to during family time, but he was also involved in the other massive part of Fugaku’s life in this point of time. Sasuke however would see this and not understand, he doesn’t have the knowledge to be able to see why his brother is getting more attention than him.
All in all, Fugaku was burdened with a lot while his kids were both very young. It’s unfortunate, for sure, but it’s something that while looking at the big picture is understandable. Unfortunately it just wasn’t in a childs eyes. Was Fugaku the best dad in the world? Absolutely not. But is he really comparable to some of the other horrible fathers in Naruto? No, at least not in my opinion.
Additionally, I also just want to state that Fugaku taking Itachi to the war zone as a child was not canon to the manga. I believe it was a part of the Itachi Light novels.
I think this ask here also gives a nice perspective on the pro-Fugaku opinion too. I’m sure there are plenty other very good reasons I could add here too, I simply don’t have the time at the moment and this is already super long anyways LOL. Any Fugaku defenders can add to this as well with some other perspectives :)
Anyhow, I’m glad you’ve been enjoying the poll and I hope this explanation may give a bit of insight as to why many Sasuke lovers do not actually hate Fugaku.
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enby-axels · 1 year
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noninclusive list of overdone fanon, oocness, and other things in naruto fics that make me immediately exit out:
sasuke being a misogynist or homophobe
"give me your jutsu dobe"
sakura's mysteriously "civilian" background, despite growing up a ninja in a village of ninjas, born to and raised by ninjas (naruto fandom learn what words mean challenge)
the author having a weird fixation on insulting sakura's voice
abusive fugaku
neji being bashed for his bitchiness in part 1, rather than being appreciated for the girlboss he is smh
the White Womanfication of naruto (if you know you know)
*kishimoto voice* "sasuke i know i wrote the series so that you have justifiably zero reason to trust anybody in konoha to be radicalized against the state, but have you ever considered reformism instead? assassinating genocidal politicians isnt the answer, there are definitely other people in konoha that want to change things from the inside, i swear!"
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spelunkingsnake · 2 years
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I was thinking of replying to you on my post but it doesn't seem to want to work.. so sorry for this ask.
You know I like Itachi but I don't necessarily agree with what he did. Despite everything he was I think people don't give him enough credit, he's mentally ill and no one has really seen him for many years before the massacre. Also for Shisui I grant you the fact that we know very little about him canonically in the manga, but I always liked the way he looked in the anime apart from everything and he warms my heart, he seemed so nice, even if it's true that we don't know what he really was.
Otherwise for Fugaku and Tajima but especially for Fugaku I don't know what people thought of him, he was not a good father, if you love your children then you don't take them to war at 4 years old. If you love your children you don't try to mould them to act the way you would like them to act and then hate themselves, when you love your children you don't give them ultimatums.
You and I both know that Konoha as well as the whole shinobi system is full of shit like that, so it's not surprising to ask a member of the uchiha clan to slaughter everyone when he could have very well done it by a group of other AMBU ninja. Of course Itachi was a godsend because he was much less victim of the sharingan than another third person but still these people never had respect and limits (Konoha) but I expected better from Fugaku and yet Sasuke as well as Itachi loved their father, even if the latter clearly didn't make the right choices except letting himself and his wife die at the hands of his own son instead of engaging in a fight, that's really the only thing I found remarkable in Fugaku. There would have been nothing more horrible than a Fugaku/Itachi fight and moreover Fugaku as Itachi was in dog of the leaf too and let himself die to obey the orders of Konoha. Tajima and Fugaku as leaders and as fathers failed but I agree that their position was not necessarily the easiest. And no no one on earth can be perfect in every way it borders on the ridiculous but mistakes could have been avoided that's all.
Well, thank you for your interest and this is what I think in a better version.
Okay, okay. I see where you stand. I still will defend fugaku forever.
Fugaku did love his children, he loved them so much it ended up being his fatal flaw. I can see that you think fugaku letting his son kill him was one of the good things he did, but in my opinion, it was the worst part of his person (but it makes his character all the more fascinating, though I won't claim he is that interesting because he isn't). In fact, he let his people DIE because he didn't want to fight with his son. I think he should have stood up for the people he lead, the people who trusted him instead of valuing that one person over every single one of his clanmates. He defended itachi so many times and tried to draw suspicion away from him. He defended his son, it was the rest of the Uchiha who questioned itachi because fugakus love was clouding his reasoning.
Though, I will say; he is objectively a bad leader. I don't personally think he did anything bad, and he was really doing all that he could. However, he was a bad leader because he didn't put the lives of his people above his son. He trusted his son when all the evidence was against him. He prevented the Uchiha from investigating further, which could have saved all their lives. If they had found out itachi was a traitor, they may not have died. That is one of the ways fugaku got his people killed, and why he is a bad leader. Though that is countered by how he is a good leader.
He is a good leader because (for the most part, not regarding itachi) he listened to his clanmates and made decisions based on what the collective had agreed on. We don't get very much information though, or scenes, so I may get a few things wrong and some things I'm just assuming, though we all know I shouldn't make assumptions. What we do see, though, is the uchiha agreeing that a coup needs to happen, that they need something to be done, and that it isn't just fugaku planning everything, deciding everything. I think fugaku is the leader in the sense that he represents them in the village and (maybe) makes final decisions but we don't even know that. Assumptions.
I can't really say much about fugaku because we don't know much about him, but he was NOT a bad father. Sure, he didn't spend much time with sasuke, but he was a busy man. LITERALLY the leader of the clan. He supported itachi throughout the events of the story (backstory), and defended him even when the evidence pointed against his son. People don't give him enough credit.
He had no real political power inside the village and led a clan that had been shunned by the village for years and years. Who chose to join the village only to be used as military power and shoved to the outskirts and controlled by the hokage and council (and didn't even get to be apart of that, apart of the decision making.)
Now about itachi. You can like whoever you want, and I know that you know itachi wasn't a good person/didn't make the best decisions. I simply don't see why people think he's interesting. He is just another character who reinforces the main points of "village good, everyone else = bad". He doesn't dive into any areas where many many other characters haven't already been. I think he is simply uninteresting.
Itachi was also very stupid. He is said to be a "genius" but when you look at his decisions and his thought process, his stupidity becomes clear. I don't think that is bad about his character, though; I think it's what makes him interesting. Every other character saying you're a "genius" when you're really the biggest fool of all time. I do in fact like listening to crazy people talk about stuff. It is entertaining to listen to dumb people, so dumb it's funny. That's also a personal thing though.
Anyway I don't really care what characters you like, I was more intrigued by the fact that you don't like fugaku. I also don't care about tajima very much so I don't feel it my place to give my stance on him. Still, curious. Anyway thanks for actually talking to me 😂
Forgot to proofread so it may make no sense and sound really awful, as if a 3rd grader wrote it.
Thank you! You gave me something to talk about here, haha
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leuces · 2 years
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idk if it's technically canon or not, but is it not actually batshit insane that the chinoike arms dealer guy actually killed his entire clan for funsies and let his daughter be a part of shinobi fighting ring. like we're all over here calling fugaku the worst dad, but at least he isn't selling his kids lmao
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punkeropercyjackson · 19 days
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I don't buy the 'Sasusakus are a cesspool of homophobic cishets and Sasunaru shippers are a shining light in the fandom who truly understand queerness and media!!!!' allegations because Sasusaku shippers have been nothing but respectful of me headcanoning Sasuke as a trans lesbian because of the combo of her individual character and how her relathionship with Sakura is written and one of my friend's even agreed that Sasuke works really well as a transfem character even though that's not her personal hc and they're always the ones defending Sasuke and the Kunoichi without pitting any of them against eachother and instead uplifting them with an emphasis on their girlhood without being cissexist and also having a nuanced view on the Uchiha clan and Sasunarus think Sasuke hates women so much she can only like men and say none of their pre-Shippuden dynamic counts because Sasuke had more screentime being toxic destructive friends with Naruto and get EXTREMELY up in arms over non-Sasuke guys as Naruto's endgame both on their own posts and even on strangers' and it's like their entire life to spew ironic unironic misogynistic takes and jokes about every female character in existense with their gender as the basis and act like Madara's not a militaristic child groomer who started the Uchiha intergenerational trauma and actively refused to let anybody end the cycle to the point of naming because of how proud he was.Idk i just feel like there's something deeply ironic about Sasusaku being labeled as 'cishet bullshit' while Sasunaru is considered a stepping stone and iconic gay couple despite not ever being canon and calling eachother brothers in-universe and it's worth noting Sasuke expressed she liked Sakura better than Naruto and Naruto never called Gaara,Kiba OR Shikamaru his brother so i think the problem with Sasunaru is just that they don't want the other specifically,not that they're straight LMAO
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Why are the Uchiha considered a non-oppressed group? Naruto's fandom, specifically pro-Konoha readers, tend to claim that neither Sasuke nor his family was actually oppressed nor discriminated against prior to their killing; furthermore, some tend to state that it's for this supposed reason that the massacre was justified, as not only they perceived no injustice when presented with evidence of their treatment at the hands of those in positions of power (who should've had guaranteed their survival at the very minimum, as that was the reason for the village's creation), but also consider their plan to coup a consequence of their "traitorous" nature; a disservice after everything "Konoha did for them".
Some other fans, not much smarter than the first group, are willing to admit some of the discrimination they suffered; but they are reluctant to see such conduct as a learned animosity, labeling it as a "modern occurrence" (when speaking of Hiruzen's timeframe). According to them, the Uchiha had just begun to be discriminated against, so their reaction was disproportionate; apparently, it's mandatory to wait for such bigotry to be repeated for a few generations before considering it a systematic occurrence rather than an isolated event.
Genocide doesn't happen in a vacuum, it's not an option that is plausibly considered if not after years or decades of cultural and political repression and degradation. It's the growth of a slow but consistent process of dehumanization, to the point where those taught under such a regime of thought truly consider their life, rights, and opinions far more valuable and important than those they degrade.
Arresting or even killing the clan members that actually wanted to coup would've been far more understandable had those in power seen Uchiha humane enough for their lives to be considered, to matter; yet the elders quickly saw mass murder as an enticing option, sending one of the kin they wanted to exterminate to do their dirty job so they wouldn't lose "one of their own" and still look pristine.
They were able to do so and still see themselves as agents of peace because they were taught that they were on the right side of history, as the story was told from their perspective; the handwriting of their mentor shines dark and spotless on the parchments of their national library.
And, as for them, there were no real losses that day, their life continued. And those responsible for the death of dozens kept smiling, kept walking amongst the classmates of the children they sent to murder, telling them to fight for their memory, to give meaning to the pain by growing.
The fandom still believes that their death was requited, necessary, and fair; putting the blame of the genocide at most upon two sets of shoulders (Danzo, Hiruzen) instead of (at least) six (Tobirama, Danzo, Hiruzen, Koharu, Homura and Itachi), because they truly think that such an idea can be created out of thin air and it's not the consequence of an oppressive system that it's constantly demoting a specific group's value; because they truly think that the Council is acting on their own volition and isn't abiding the structure set by those before them. To them, four men and a woman created and taught themselves their own moral, social, and cultural parameters for this specific portion of the story before renouncing them and subscribing once again to their teachers (who somehow are painted as ~agents of peace~).
But alas, let's dissect some of their arguments, perhaps like this some of their brilliance shall illuminate us:
Their doujutsu and overall pride as a clan. The Sharingan is probably the most powerful doujutsu inside the Narutoverse (slightly less so than the Rinnegan but that needs the Sharingan as a base to develop), which for them translates into their clan having a “natural advantage” over others during a battle; thus, if they are so strong, how come they are oppressed? For them, that’s a contradiction because they can only phantom oppression if it’s visible, as in physical: literal submission through physical strength. Yet the Sharingan is canonically expressed to be a rare outcome inside the family, a rarity that just a few members of the clan possessed, so it’s a “natural advantage” that not many Uchiha have nor had at the time of their murder. But the tale hasn't finished, because there's a recurrent joke amongst these antis, for "how come the Sharingan is so powerful yet they were whipped by Itachi in just one night!", they shout, hyena laughter amidst their group; yet they don't talk further as not to attract detractors with quick wit, as they don't take into account (can't take into account) not only the prior point but also Obito’s participation -who was in charge of killing the strongest members of the clan but Fugaku (the later who decided not to fight), and without minding the context in itself as Itachi sneaked into clan members' homes and killed them when their back was turned, as he took advantage of the trust they bestowed upon him.
They were the ones who were “entrusted” by Tobirama to make Konoha’s citizens respect the law -summarizing, they were “given” the Police Force. In this specific regard, the police force inside the Narutoverse is directly compared (and therefore, read) to its real-life counterpart, yet: a- The Uchiha’s job was to be carried inside a military state, most of the citizens inside Konoha have tools at their disposal to either evade or fight back the Uchiha's "authority". It's difficult for them to read such phrases for it shatters their self-insertion; how come Naruto isn't about my self-perceived value inside the country I inhabit? b- The Police Force’s power, influence, and control were directly limited by the Hokage, they couldn’t arrest ANBU members (meaning those who were, one in charge of spying on them, and two a big portion of Konoha’s forces). c- Uchiha couldn’t aspire to be something else but members of the police. The only ones who could work outside that specific force were those individuals that abandoned their identities as clan members and swore allegiance to Konoha. Only Itachi (the perpetrator), Shisui, and Kagami (who were luckily dead before the events of the UCM transpired) were shown outside such a limited sphere. No other clan was shown to need such extreme measures to work in their chosen field. The fact that the prison was constructed to be inside their compound prior to them being moved to the outskirts of the city isn’t enough for them to understand that this specific job was forced upon Uchiha. "It's easier for them to keep an eye on the prisoners," they claim, clicking their tongues, yet won't see what it politically entails, for Uchiha members can never detach themselves from their duty, as it was physically adhered to their lands. "It's a duty they could thrive on," they vomit, and they did, yet no one sees -because it all happens inside their own compound. Not a single clan is shown to “have one specific job” inside Konoha but the Uchiha. d- Nevermind the very real and canonic impact that such work has amongst Konoha citizens, as the lesser members of Konoha's militia grow resentful of those that "control" them; in addition, such position also prevents the Uchiha from properly integrating amongst the general population, as they can't commune completely with those they need to keep tabs on. Was the Police Force ever rebuilt after the UCM? ANBU forces were quick to absorb their duties after the Kyuubi attack, decreasing at a much faster speed their position inside the place they built. The Police Force was dismantled and forgotten after the massacre, further proving the real irrelevance of such duty and the actual hidden purpose in its creation. e- How come the Uchiha "monopolized" a force that was literally and canonically given to them? How did they take over and denied anyone else's presence inside that structure when not only did they not create it but the prison was built by the government itself inside their compound? Someone with fewer brain cells than them will think that it's Konoha's government the one limiting the nature of the members that had to forcefully take care of that task, as clan compounds have restrictions on who can enter; but not them -oh no, ah, the wisdom of these people amazes me...
Their members’ popularity. Specifically, Sasuke and Itachi. What they say while fidgeting in their seats is simple: "how come Itachi (prior to the massacre) and Sasuke (after) were so praised by non-Uchiha if they were discriminated against"? And, ah, we could've finally reached enlightenment; yet their worldview is irrevocably simplistic, as systematic oppression doesn’t always translate into direct discrimination at the hands of other citizens. The Uchiha clan was moved to the outskirts of the city without any other family raising any eyebrows, they don’t have to be spitted on by other shinobi for them to be oppressed, that’s limiting the notion of discrimination/oppression to a single factor -the physical one, without minding the others. To explain it in lesser terms, as we must crouch down to speak to them to be on their level, saying that the Uchiha weren’t discriminated against due to lack of physical aggression, and I guess a genocide isn’t enough aggression for some, it’s like saying a man is a misogynist only if he slaps a woman. That way, monetary, social, cultural, and political domination are left out of the discussion, therefore, it’s limiting sexism to individuals’ actions rather than seeing the system these men were raised on and that it built their resolve to, finally, physically attack a woman. Uchiha were the only ones whose value was tied to their biological nature -no other families inside Konoha found as many restrictions as they did (might I remind you that there was a clan that happily enslaved their members and no one seemed to care?), their biology was enough reason to keep them both away of positions of power (meaning that the laws/decisions that influenced their lifestyle were made for them without a single Uchiha consultant), and restricting their movements inside their village. And I know many of these antis will claim “oh, but name one of the other noble clans (but the Nara’s, of course) that are actually in a place inside the Council, none of them were!” And you see, they miss the point by a mile, because the issue isn’t only the Uchiha not having incidence nor right to (at least) vote inside a village they founded, but specifically them being denied such presence under the premise of a biological predisposition that they have no control of. No other clan, whether they are or not at this point in time inside the Council, is denied a future position under those premises, they either can’t achieve it due to their lack of connections (Minato Namikaze, member of a non-noble clan was made Hokage due to his relationship with Jiraiya) or having not enough rank to participate (Morino Ibiki, also from a clan not specifically important, is the Head of the T&I Department).
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neko-uchiha · 5 months
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I love EVERYTHING about this art
One of the rare times when an official art did sasuke and his fam justice
He is looking so cutuiebsjsbsbs...and then we have shishui..sasuke's mama and dad
Even Itachi is looking good here
The uchihaness❤
The real pure Uchiha family with actual uchihas with characteristic uchiha outfits and facial features celebrating their traditional festival (maybe for the last time before konoha destroys it)
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heidiikm · 4 days
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I desperately want to know how Fugaku and Mikoto would have reacted to how Sasuke was treated after the massacre. Same with Shisui actually.
I wonder if they would have accepted death the same way or instead would have fought Itachi had they know the fate waiting for Sasuke.
Neither fugaku or mikoto fought itachi as one they couldn’t bring themselves to harm their child. But secondly because as their dying wish, itachi promised he would look after Sasuke. And what did he go and do? Torture this boy beyond comprehension. He never needed to go that far. Sasuke witnessed the Uchiha massacre at the hands of the brother he loved more than anyone over 500,000 times. At the age of seven… he is torn away from everything he loves because of his brother, I think that’s enough to make someone hate another. The extra step with the tsukuyomi really was not necessary. And twice?! Uh huh… it shouldn’t be surprising itachi wouldn’t respect the dying wish of his mother and father considering that atrocities he committed against them already. But it’s still heartbreaking. Idk if I were Mikoto or Fugaku I’d be pissed. And I wonder what Shisui would think. Not only for itachi to kill the whole clan, but then his future crimes too against both Sasuke and as a criminal. Shisui is slightly more complicated as he didn’t support the coup and wanted to protect Konoha like Itachi. But Itachi took it so much further.
The Uchiha clan are the clan of love. They do everything for their family. For itachi to do this is a complete disregard for their culture and everything they stand for and feel. Idk if I were an Uchiha, I’d be appalled.
Just had some thoughts about this and how Itachi completely disregarded his parents’ sacrifice
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kcuf-ad · 10 months
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Me towards 99% of characters in Naruto: I hate all of you. You all terrible characters that is shocking that you even have fans in the first place.
Me towards Sasuke, Fugaku, Mikoto, Madara, Obito, Neji, Killer B, Rock Lee, Might Guy and Team Taka: Except you guys. You all are bby and deserved to be loved. Here, a lolipop.
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I will never get over the fact that even creepy deranged Orochimaru was considered for the position of Hokage, while my father was excluded simply because he was an Uchiha.
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abattre · 3 months
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The way the one thing Fugaku and Mikoto asked Itachi to do on their death bed was that he take care of Sasuke and Itachi agreed and proceeded to do the exact opposite thing to an absolutely hysterical degree
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enby-axels · 2 years
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when will fic writers stop projecting their own thoughts and feelings onto sasuke, like it's getting so old. does canon sasuke internally monologue about how much he hates fangirls? does canon sasuke resent his dad? or is that just you?
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