#rooster teeth critical

[doomalade]

Not to mention both Viv and roosterteeth treats their trans workers horribly, Both of their shows have badly done representation which their fans will overly praise as perfectly written and gets mad if you dare to point out the rep isn’t perfect

Viv’s literally just being recoloring horns to change the width of the stripes which isn’t only lazy but crazy that the one major feature saying what they were assigned at birth as isn’t ever like, covered up or changed? Do no trans imps ever like try to like get something where their horn stripes are changed? It just feels weird that by keeping this method of telling what sex an imp was born as kinda messes with their gender identity?

What about non binary or gender fluid or gender queer imps and demons?

But yeah overall it’s like Viv wants the brownie points for having trans characters while also having a way to quite brutally point at them with basically a neon arrow and they’re only background and meant to fill up the screen as the main characters do the actually important things.

And Sallie May showed up once, spoke like five words, then was stuck to the background for the rest of that episode and then isn’t seen or mentioned again and I doubt she will be.

As for RT?

The shit that former employees especially Kdin came out with?

I’m gonna go ahead and say that May isn’t gonna speak or really even show up in V10 if that somehow magically is able to be made before RoosterTeeth officially declares bankruptcy.

And how can I forget how the only non binary characters are a random boat crew person from V4 and a bunch of talking animals in a magical land that is never gonna be seen again.

And the stans insist that Viv or RT are some saints and super progressive and trans positive.

Like pointing at a picture of a duck and saying “it’s a giraffe”

#doom.txt #rwby #helluva critical #helluva boss #vivziepop critical #rooster teeth critical #rwby critical

[ironwoodprotectionsquad]

Learning that RTX for 2024 has been cancelled and they announced the final season of RvB in a Reddit post but still nothing about RW/BY while saying that stuff depends on fans buying first memberships they don’t want without RW/BY is both sad and kind of expected.

Rooster Teeth has been struggling for awhile thanks to various poor decisions and writing choices. It’ll be interesting to see how things go on from here.

#rwde #rt critical #rooster teeth critical

[lunatriense]

I'm not gonna say the Ruby suicide thing was good or well thought out — it very much wasn't — but I will say it's one of the very few things RT has been consistent on. Every time suicide has been a topic in RWBY it's been treated as a good thing to be admired; the statue scene did that with Pyrrha's death which it recontextualised as essentially suicide, Penny 'choosing for once' that Jaune should kill her instead of heal her, the thing with the paper pleasers, and now Ruby herself with the tea. It's not a good trend by any means, but it is a trend.

#rwde #anti rooster teeth #fuck rooster teeth #rooster teeth critical

[rwdestuffs]

I'm not one who would go to bat for Rooster Teeth. They had horrible conditions, and there was a host of problems that they also had, but still…

They were a bastion of internet content. Machinima, original content, all sorts of things. They were arguably the thing that made the breakthrough for it.

It's hard to imagine the internet without them.

For better and for worse… There won't be another Rooster Teeth. Not for a long time.

So please stop celebrating people losing their jobs. These are real people. Not a bunch of soulless machines. It would suck if people celebrated you losing your job all because you worked at a Starbucks or a McDonalds.

Maybe some of them will bounce back, maybe they won't. Not all of them will bounce back, but we should still be sad for the people who lost their jobs.

This is the last thing I'm going to say for a while. I've have my issues with RT, RWBY, RvB, etc… But even they deserved better than this.

#roosrerteeth criticism #rooster teeth critical #rooster teeth

[dragynkeep]

maybe some people in the rwby fandom will now actually listen to queer+bipoc people that are critical of it & the company behind it instead of telling us we just hate queer people.

the company behind that show you love didn't even pay the trans va + abused her with transphobic & homophobic slurs, despite touting her out to show off how “accepting” they were. maybe rethink.

#rwby #rwde #rooster teeth #rooster teeth critical #ais.txt

[fangirl-nadir]

Honestly, I'm ok with the idea of Rooster Teeth shutting down. But losing RWBY hurts. I haven't been able to keep up with it, but I was looking forward to knowing how the series ended. Now I guess we'll never know.

Rooster Teeth can fuck off, but RWBY and its crew will be missed.

#rwby #rooster teeth critical #rooster teeth #They came so close to achieving Monty's dream #and then it was taken from them at the last minute #Well I guess the good news is I don't have to keep updating my fan fic to keep up with the show? *cries*

[the-path-to-redemption]

I know you hate canon Yang but do you think she and Mercury could at one point bond over having been messed up by a parent that made them base their worth on their strength?

....Long Post Ahead

Anon let me tell you-

I fucking hate that people now believe Adam was Yang's foil because the writers fucked up. No, he's not. He's Blake's foil; they share the same story, and the same past, and everything about them was supposed to be linked together down to their fairy tale allusion. Whatever came out of making him and Yang rivals are bullshit ass-pulls.

Mercury was designed to be her foil; he has a grey monotone color palette and a very low-key, cyberpunk-esque fashion while Yang is in a warm-tone, bright-colored palette with a steampunk style that sets her out from others visually. She's mostly a boxer, while he's focused on kick-based combat. Mercury doesn't have a semblance and has to rely on his own skills, and Yang relies TOO much on hers and it becomes her double-edged sword.

Mercury has a terrible father and no mother, suffering alone in a home that took everything from him and forced him to kill. Yang might not have Raven, but she has a loving family who cares for her even when they're not perfect. Everything about them was set up to be a narrative of two people who could very easily become the other had the circumstances of their lives been different, but their actions had also led them to this point and they have to take control of their future now that a new chapter begin.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, should have changed this aside from the fact that MK and CRWBY are fucking stupid enough to make Yang wedge into a narrative that she DOES not give a fuck about even though she supposedly cares about Blake and her causes, but never fucking does anything for the Faunus or even talk to Blake about her goals for them. It muddles their characters (Yang, Blake, Mercury, and Adam) because now the writers have to make dumbass fucking reasons for Yang and Adam to fight each other when Mercury and Blake are right fucking there.

I made a post about this subject before here and the same sentiment still stands. I fucking hate it here.

#answered #anonymous #rwde #rwby critical #anti rooster teeth #mkek critical #crwby critical #anti crwby #yang xiao long critical #mercury black critical

[papillaee]

It baffles me seeing that some RWBY fans seem more angry and sad about the death of a company and the possible end of a fictional show than they were back when RT was exposed for abusing their employees.

These people have such a parasocial relationship with RT that they also have to blame other company above them for closing it down. "It's Warner Bro's fault 😭" no it was still RT's faults because they literally admitted they weren't making much money from their ip's. They're incompetent idiots and bigots who also rightfully got boycotted by many people. It's not suprising they lost money, at all.

#rwde #anti rooster teeth #rwby critical #rooster teeth shutdown

[lucky303]

look man idk how to title this but

if anyone tries to tell you RWBY is a progressive show with LGBTQ+ characters and representation just remember that rooster teeth wasn't a very progressive company that didn't like LGBTQ+ employees

#rwde #rwby criticism #rwby #rwby critical #lgbtqia #rooster teeth

[currantlee]

A few comments on a recent post about RWBY I made got me thinking about something. Basically, I think that Rooster Teeth – and possibly by extension its parent companies – have artificially inflated RWBY as a media project and franchise rather than letting it grow organically. Therefore, it became a bubble that was bound to burst at some point. RWBY might never have been a profitable IP, which might be very relevant for its future.

This is not a problem that arose after Monty Oum‘s passing, I feel like this was already coming before that. Shane Newville‘s open letter (which absolutely comes from an emotional, mentally unwell state of mind, but has had many of its contents confirmed over the years, even beyond being one of the first descriptions of the toxic work environment at Rooster Teeth) makes a few points that support this impression. Whether you agree with the letter or not, you cannot deny that the first two volumes of RWBY, while they also had merch accompanying them and stuff, were not produced following industry standards – starting with the 3D software used, Poser Pro (Monty Oum‘s preferred tool for animation). This led to some really creative animation work that, while not always high-quality by industry-standards, was certainly pushing boundaries. It was creative and it worked for what RWBY was: a passion project created by someone who saw animation as his strongest suit – as his preferred medium to tell a story. I‘ve seen a lot of people claim that Monty Oum wasn‘t a writer, and while that‘s true, I feel like the implication of that statement is always that he couldn‘t tell stories on his own. I don‘t think that‘s true. I think Monty Oum was a great storyteller when it came to expressing certain things through animated action scenes. It‘s just that he wanted to tell a story that included more than just that and a few lines of dialogue – which is where Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross come in, two at the time very inexperienced writers (who possibly had a fallout with Monty Oum over creative differences later), as well as some talented folks – people like Shane Newville. They were chosen to work on this because Monty Oum acknowledged their potential and liked to work with them, and I feel like that created an environment where they were really allowed to flourish. Volumes 1 and 2 are certainly not flawless, but I feel like I can tell the people making it had fun.

To Rooster Teeth however? I think RWBY (and by extension, Monty Oum as a creator) might have been little more than assets to them. RWBY was first created around a time when RT first tried to be more like, well, an actual company. At least from 2014 onward, but possibly even earlier than that, this included an effort to conform to industry standards more, mostly in order to be able to hire more people – very visibly so in RWBY in the form of the switch to Maya (my opinion about that is, the way they did it didn’t do RWBY any favors at all). I think they saw RWBY and Monty Oum as an opportunity to appear… More important, bigger, than they ever really were.

So what did they do? Again, I kind of have the feeling that they “upscaled” RWBY to a size where it appears like this big thing, but it became far too much to handle. Essentially, they created a mock giant, or a metaphorical quasi-star: something that can appear big from afar, but is actually very small / unstable (and if we go with the quasi-star metaphor, disturbs all of its surroundings). This is what I mean when I say that RWBY was a bubble bound to burst, because no star lives forever – and quasi-stars can only exist under very specific, very unstable conditions (I linked a Kurzgesagt-video in case you’re interested what exactly a quasi-star / black hole star is / was, cosmology is so fascinating IMO). Once these conditions exist no longer, they both fall apart and collapse into the black hole that is their core at the same time.

My main argument for this is that RWBY was essentially a huge money sink for RT (Source: Barbara Dunkelman’s unprofessionalism). They pumped so much money into this… Perhaps even more than they ever made from it. While this isn’t 100% confirmed, it is very much possible (and IMO not exactly unlikely) that RWBY was never profitable — which it might have been if RT hadn’t been so hellbent on creating the illusion of a multi-million-dollar franchise.

This is purely speculative, but this might also be why Volume 10 was never greenlit. We know that Volume 9 was to a significant part funded by Crunchyroll and in fact would not have been possible without them (probably because RT was already out of money at this point). They might have bought into this mock giant, then realized they had pretty much been scammed once Volume 9 aired. This might have led to Crunchyroll’s unwillingness to fund another season for something they knew now was effectively a money sink. Since RT at this point lacked the funds to produce Volume 10 alone and therefore was dependent on investors like Crunchyroll and Warner Brothers… Volume 10 was never greenlit, no matter how hard they attempted to get their fans’ hopes up and start a hashtag campaign on social media (as far as I remember, that was started by Rooster Teeth, not the fans. I don’t have my Twitter account anymore though, so I can’t check). Again though, this is speculation.

The worst part? This refusal of RT to just… Downscale RWBY again, this determination that it had to be this huge franchise… Was all put on the backs of the creatives working on it. We know at this point, from multiple sources, that RWBY and other RT productions have had an incredible amount of crunchtime, working overtime, employee abuse, … going on behind the scenes, which seems to only have gotten worse after Monty Oum’s passing. At the end of the day, all RT does and has ever done is blame others for their incompetence. Like, no shit, I’ve seen fans claim that it’s the FNDM’s job to “keep the show alive” (particularly in the light of #GreenlightVolume10), which… No, that’s not the fans’ job. It’s the job of the company who has been entrusted with this beloved IP, and said company has proven to be utterly incompetent on multiple occasions, which is unfortunate, but a sad reality for all those who love RWBY. And while Rooster Teeth has never directly said such a thing, they have certainly implied it and taken advantage of the existing sentiment within their fanbase, as well as their parasocial relationship with it (again, see #GreenlightVolume10 for reference).

To clarify, I’m not saying none of this would have happened if RT didn’t insist on making RWBY this big franchise (and biting off far more than they could chew in the process) – again, RT was far too notoriously incompetent at everything a company should manage – but I do think it might have played a role. It also isn’t an excuse for all the employee abuse. Again, what they should have done is downsizing the project, not inflating it further and further.

If I’m not somehow completely in the wrong (because IMO this just makes way too much sense to not be at least partially true – but let’s face it, a lot of this is just me connecting dots, and there is always a chance I’m connecting them wrong, even though I don‘t think so), then it kinda blows my mind that there are still people who believe in this scam. Though I will say, emotional attachment can do that to anyone. If anything, I’m honestly sorry that those folks lose something that means so much to them, and that false promises were made to them.

At the end of the day, the story of RWBY (the “franchise”) is twofold. It’s a story about an incredibly talented creator who passed away far too early, who was given the incredible opportunity to make his dream come true. It’s a story of people he trusted taking up his torch, and maybe getting lost in the dark along the way. It’s an inspiring story regardless, and I hope to see it continued at a downsized scale so it can grow organically, preferably in the hands of an indie animation studio like Dillon Goo (🤞)

But it is also a cautionary tale to both creatives and companies who employ them, a tale about false promises, abuse of both employees and fans, as well as how to not run a project. Don’t blow your thing out of proportion too early, don’t create a mock giant / metaphorical quasi-star. Let your ideas and projects grow and flourish organically and sincerely.

#RWBY #Rooster Teeth #RT Shutdown #Rooster Teeth Shutdown #Corporate Meddling #Theorizing #Speculation #Behind the Scenes #Rooster Teeth‘s corporate incompetence #Rooster Teeth toxicity #Monty Oum #Shane Newville #Shane‘s Letter #Open Letter to All who Treasured Monty Oum #RWBY Volume 10 #RWBY Volume 9 #RWBY V9 #RWBY V10 #Greenlight Volume 10 Meta #RWBY Discourse #RT Discourse #RT Critical #Does this count as RWDE? #Anyway #RWDE #Currantlee here

[thousandyearphantombunker]

“The titan said Belos is evil tho! Are you stupid the show said he was evil!”“Masha said lil’ bro just got jelly that his brother got a girlfriend! He doesn’t have depth and his ending was supposed to be unsatisfying!”“But James Ironwood losing his arm is supposed to represent him losing his humanity”“Jason Rose said that James could’ve always become evil and sided with Salem”“They literally called him genocide general!”“But in this Q&A they said the puppies survived they just lost their laser powers! And in the tie-in material, they showed everyone was fine! You just hate Starco!”“The show/tie-in material/a fucking Q&A said blah blah blah!”These arguments are shit. TOH- “God says witches are evil so it is his duty to kill them!” is a pretty horrible justification for killing someone except when the titan says it to Luz. I don’t think Luz is in the wrong for killing Belos, he was a genocidal maniac and child abuser and genuinely irredeemable- nobody who hates the ending of The Owl House complains about Belos being irredeemable, they complain about the show flopping the cult critical message, how hunter’s possession felt like needless shock value, the show not properly setting up the collector or how the coven system/conformitorium’s writing is a mess or how Eda becoming a teacher makes as much sense as Toph becoming a cop and you can go ‘but the show said-’ what the show said had unfortunate implications, was uncomfortable to abuse survivors, and I can’t forgive the ass-pullery of the trailer-bait nightmare sequence or how in the hexside crew became irrelevant! When people complain about how Belos was handled nobody complains about him not getting a redemption arc- they complain that hunter should’ve been there to see belos die or how they hate Luz’s power up. RWBY -James Ironwood’s and Penny’s character arcs and deaths felt so ableist it’s actually uncomfortable to watch, I have ASD my sister, and like half of the people I know have PTSD, I don’t know any amputees but I’ve seen plenty making noise about how shit the writing was. Good, they should be mad! The show’s message about prosthetics/amputations was toxic! Not mention for all the hopeful messages Team RWBY screams at the top of their lungs about trust they knowingly broke Ironwood’s trust for very poorly defined reasons! while I do think ruthless pragmatism is a bad thing, team RWBY offered no alternatives, he wasn’t a villain- he was facing an ethical dilemma and got fucked over. And SVTFOE- I shouldn’t have to buy tie-in materials to understand the show- tie-in material should be a bonus not a supplement or requirement, I Don’t have to buy the ATLA comics inorder to understand the show, I don’t have to read all of Lord Of The Rings to understand the movies. It doesn’t matter how the show was supposed to be interpreted or how the audience is supposed to feel, and It’s perfectly valid for the audience not to care about damage control spinoffs (cough cough Steven Universe) or Q&A’s or whatever. I’ll admit sometimes the audience is fucking stupid and completely media illiterate but can we stop acting like anyone who doesn’t blindly consume product and go with what the writers said are stupid? I know im not articulating this well but I’m pissy rn and I’m having trouble deconstructing whats wrong with those kind of arguments but god there is so much wrong with these arguements

#fuck rt #Rwde #toh critical #svtfoe critical #I promise I'm not anti TOH I wrote a whole ass essay on the show because I love its depiction of disability for college #Also svtfoe is a comfort show #But can we admit that the writing is a mess #I used to love rwby but God the show fell from grace #As did rooster teeth as a whole #For such a woke show it sure was ableist! #ableism #Rant #Nerd rage

[doomalade]

So you’re telling me that Viv is a narcissistic, abusive, manipulative, and bigoted asshole who hides behind crazy stans defending her every action because of a mid cartoon that exists off the backs of over worked and under paid and abused talented animators who are fans who work for those that they looked up to.

Where have I heard this bef-

Oh yeahhhhhhhh

#doom.txt #vivziepop critical #helluva boss critical #rooster teeth #rwby

[ironwoodprotectionsquad]

RT currently doing a live stream on YouTube, yet chat is off

Interesting isn't it?

I am not even a little surprised. They want to pretend everything is fine and normal and that nothing is wrong but they realize people won't just let them do that so they shut off the comments and hope that if they ignore it long enough it will magically go away.

The issue is, ignoring it won't make this all go away. Ignoring it will only make people even more distrustful of you because they see what is going on and realize you don't want to talk about what is happening because you don't give a flying fuck about your employee's and you don't want to change and improve because that takes work and kindness and giving a shit about people, something RT just can't be bothered to do so.

I just cannot fathom why this is so damn hard for RT. Why do they continually refuse to change or do anything to make things better for their employee's? Why do they refuse to give a shit about their employee's. I know the technical why of it but it is still so damn frustrating.

#RWDE #Fuck Rooster Teeth #Fuck RT #Rooster Teeth critical

[matt0044]

On RWBY, The Amazing Digital Circus and Toxic Indie Fandoms...

Fans of cartoons, animated movies and animation in general have a... bit of a complex. Largely when it come to snubbing a new movie and/or show for not being just like what ever the standard bearer is at the time. A mentality that really hurts critical discussion than help. Like... getting mad at, say, Big City Greens of what Disney pulled with The Owl House is just not cool.

I find it happens a lot with Animation Twitter spaces being all about taking Disney down a peg be it because Spiderverse or Puss In Boots (take your pick at this point). Though in that case, it's a case of one-up-manship getting way too out of hand since there's at least a vocal push back.

With RWBY being pitted against every other indie animation, it's actually not too much of a unique case.

It has been a small scale project getting massive amounts of hype from the pilot (or Trailers as with RWBY's case) only for the show to come out and split its pre-established audience down the middle.

This split starts and widens when it comes to how a character may be initially presented only for more facets to them to be revealed. It should go without saying buuuuuuut the creative team are not mind-readers. Even the most popular of fanworks will inevitably NOT reflect what the show will develop into whether they come close or not.

However, that investment in fanon is liable to clash with what canon goes with. Some fans take it is stride and are willing to hear the showrunners on their direction. Others... take it personally.

Maybe a character that seemed mean but wronged turns out to be a very shitty person.

Maybe a character that seemed shitty has some hidden depths beyond how they initally came across.

Maybe the story is taking a turn that, well, had precedence but feels alienating to those who preferred the previous status quo.

Maybe the pacing feels off with certain reveals that may be a skill issue on the writer's part.

The issues may vary but a lot of this comes from a sort of "bigger they are" type of backlash with a lot of specific expectations formed of the story before there even was one.

Now this might sound like RWBY but... a lot of them were inspired by the polarized comments of Helluva Boss Season 2.

It happening to Vivziepop.

It's happening to RWBY.

And let me tell you, it WILL happen to The Amazing Digital Circus even if it has a limited run planned.

A character will become more than just some fan's blorbo for better or worse and said fans will loose their shit.

A ship will sail however much they wanted sunk.

No matter what, there will always be ONE FAN that will be pissed off.

#heluva boss #vivziepop #vivianne miedema #rwby #rooster teeth #the amazing digital circus #glitch productions #animation #animated movies #tv animation #cartoons #indie animation #indie animated series #crunchyroll #greenlight volume 10 #fandom #toxic fandom #toxic negativity #fandom crit #fandom critical #fandom criticism #fan expectations #you can't please everybody #monty oum #across the spiderverse #into the spider verse #puss in boots #puss in boots the last wish

[rwdestuffs]

TBH it really seems like even a lot of remaining rwdeposters are more hellbent on whatever they consider character/plot fuckups (which I don't always disagree with!) than pointing out Arr Tee's goddamn core worker abuses. Tons of "Yang doesn't introspect properly as an isolated combat amputee" or "how dare they withhold things from Ironwood" or "why is Jaune eating this much of the script", way less "so, uh, did they actually cut down on crunch? Doubled down in the middle of a plague?! WTF??"

Literally saw a post saying "No. Don't let Blake be happy, give her more trauma" today. And like…

Guys. I get it. You want the story to be better. You want the representation to be improved. You want more character development. But…

Priorities. Workers' conditions first, then story.

#anonymous #fndm crit #rooster teeth critical #does this count as rwde? #fndm criticism #roosterteeth crit

[dragynkeep]

omg she warned them about genlock & they went along with byg because controversy is good. 😵‍💫

#rwde #genlock #genlock critical #rooster teeth critical #rooster teeth #ais.txt #h e l p #remember fairgame. and pilot boi. #interesting.