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[soundofez]

are there, like, classic types of burned primaries or secondaries? or common things that burned people tend to latch onto?

(heads up, @wisteria-lodge has asked the community if we'd like to help answer asks to get to them more quickly, and this is one that was sent to me! for reference, i'm a birdpri/badgersec with a snakepri model and a whole host of secondary models.)

obligatory disclaimer these "classics" are what come to mind for me specifically. they're not universal by any means, but they Especially are not universal to burnt house experiences. your experiences are your own.

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burnt lionpris look like birdpris. they're not. what is a habitual status check to birdpris is endless doubt for lionpris.

burnt birdpris are mostly just really tired of questioning everything all the time and please can they stop? but they can't stop, what if they're Wrong, but what if they get through everything and they're Still Wrong,

burnt snakepris look like idealists. they cannot trust in their people, so they fall back on ideals, but ideals do not fulfill them the way people do.

burnt badgerpris are often bitter and isolated. what do you do when your community fails you?

burnt secondary houses, afaik, mostly just look like All The Houses, but especially they look like a chimerical snake sec. lacking trust in the way they do things means they try basically every other way to do things.

#fictional examples would be super helpful #unfortunately my brain is a black hole #sortinghatchats #shc community #fez talks

[somehwere-between]

Because badgers in any shape or form are a mystery to me, I'm curious: What's the difference between a badger primary and a badger secondary? How can you tell the difference when you meet them irl? Or in fiction, I suppose...

Happy to hear from you, Sevil!

You sound very much like an old friend of mine, who was a double snake. Seems like a very snake thing to say. (I’m teasing— I don’t quite get lions as a bird pri myself, so maybe there’s just something about our parallel-sorting that trip us up. Who knows?) But to get to the question, I’ll try to explain my thought process as coherently as possible.

What’s the difference between badger primary and secondary?

I will use a blend of real people and characters to best explain the difference in thought processes, but I am very much biased as a (burned) badger secondary. So take this all with a grain of salt!

Badger Primaries

Ideals can come and go, but it’s my people that are my main driving force. If my community is hurt by an ideal or rule, my thought is to see my friend’s pain and question my morals.

I work FOR, in most cases.

Even in moments of personal ethical crises, I go with my people. If my people are in church, I go to church, and so on.

Though not always the case, it’s possible that someone can be (or is) dehumanized when becoming part of the “out group”.

If my people are doing something I might disagree with, I will make excuses for their behavior and attempt to see their way of things, rather than stick by my morals. (Note: this is seen mostly in young badgers, and healthier badger pris know how to have their own philosophies and still be with their people.)

If I feel I don’t belong, my ethics can falter alongside my community.

Hard work is valued both morally (it’s the right thing to do) and logistically (it’s long but it’s effective).

The community is my goal.

Badger Secondaries

I work WITH, not work FOR.

Hard work is empirical, not moral. I don’t have to work hard to be good, but I choose to work hard because it’s effective.

Communities are a system of people.

Someone doesn’t have to be dehumanized to be a part of the “out group”.

The community is my method.

Note from a friend on Discord (bird-badger): “…I don't need to make excuses for my enemy not being a part of my group — or see them as inhuman or something — to have them be my enemy. I don't really need to dehumanize them the way badger primaries sometimes have to.”

So, in fiction, I have a much easier time with secondaries than with primaries as a general rule. But, I like to look at four main things when determining what flavor badger they are, if they are one:

Do they work with, work for, or do both with their communities?

Is their badger-ness a method (secondary) or the ‘madness’ (primary)?

When you strip away morals, will they still work hard, or rely on other methods?

Is there dehumanization in the “out-group”?

I’ll give one of my favorite examples, because I am a predictable bastard and no one can stop me. Mafia 3’s Lincoln Clay is a very, very, VERY blatant badger-lion, and his best friend John Donovan is a double badger with a lot of explosiveness and burning going on. I’ll pretend like I’m analyzing them here.

Lincoln works for his community, not necessarily with. He has connections, sure, but it’s John who actually employs these connections. John works for the greater community of America, and with the smaller community that is New Bordeaux.

Lincoln’s is certainly the “madness”. The whole reason he goes on this war path? To kill them people that fucked over his family, his community, his people. John’s is both method and madness. His definition of community is far broader (being the USA), and he uses his many and often questionable connections to help Lincoln get revenge.

We see that with Lincoln he is a hard worker, but he’s not above throwing everything to the wind if it means freedom. Before the main events of the game, he wanted to leave and do something he’s never done thousands of miles away without much thought about practical things, assuming he’ll “figure it out”, but he still thinks that he’s (actual quote here) “cuttin’ and runnin’ on [his] people”. John, on the other hand, works hard regardless of his health, his sanity, his (lack of a) paycheck, most everything. His definition of integrity isn’t exactly legal, but legality really isn’t much of a concern.

Simply put for both of them— yes. The Southern Union, the Marcanos, the other various [you-know-who] satellite organizations, none of them are humans. Note: John is far more intense in his hatred because of what he defines as community, that being Americans. He means all Americans, including Black Americans (African, Haitian, Afro-Latino, etc.), Asian Americans, Irish Americans, etc., and he gets very pissed at the racism that many marginalized groups face in 1960s America and desperately wants to make things right. He still gets things wrong, but for a CIA agent in 1968, there is clearly a lot of care there.

These questions also can apply to real people, though it would take more time to really observe or ask about compared to watching a video game series 4 times through and having a 3k+ word document analyzing numerous lines, movements, and scenes. (Have I mentioned I’m autistic? Because I am. Clearly.)

I hope this is of some sort of help!

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[thcorvi]

help? shc :)

ok, so since doing the @sortinghatchats for the 1st time (I've done way too many bc at this point I simply don't know and I cant move on from this), I have always gotten either bird primary or lion primary — and the same dilemma on the secondaries.

after it, I went on a rampage reading everything I could find on this (think superfocus, yes... I have adhd) and... still don't know. like, the intuitive/decided and the internal/external is what's getting to me.

it sounds silly, but I need to sort this out. I need an outsider perspective for someone who understands how SHC works.

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[repetitionsings]

I've been thinking about this lately, and I'm curious to know what you think: By definition, systems like sorting hat chats put something relatively simple (their structure) on something incredibly complicated and ever-changing (life). How do you use it to your advantage without ignoring the many pitfalls?

This is a really fascinating question to discuss, although slightly removed for me because I find that most of my interest in this system is still in discussing its uses for fiction. (Like, I don't mind discussing actual application, but I'm much more comfortable discussing characters!) So a lot of those pitfalls are less relevant for me personally; while I've had some of the people close to me take the test and I remember their sorting, it's one of the last things to come to mind when I try to think about their behavior.

That said, I really, truly believe the key here is flexibility.

As much as we might love this system and feel like it explain things to us, remembering that life is extremely complicated and that it's never going to 1:1 to any description we try to use for it is important. Essentially, we are playing here. And that is not putting the system down at all; instead, that opens up an enormous amount of freedom. No potential boss is going to ask you for your Primary and Secondary and lock into whether or not they're going to hire you based on that. No one's going to look at your type and your best friend's type and try to tell you you're incompatible.

And if you've got that kind of freedom, you've also got the freedom to be wrong about things. Because really, I think that's how you avoid the biggest pitfall of using it to try and judge real life: You accept that you might be wrong, and don't try to cling to a view on somebody after you've got good reason to change to it, just because, well, I thought you were this, and I refuse to believe now that you're not.

(This is also why I will die on the hill of a core sorting changing being possible. If you view these labels not as immutable things, but as words we use to try to explain ourselves and others, you have to have the freedom to allow people to describe themselves and the way their personality shifts in whatever way they feel most comfortable with.)

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[enchantingwitchycottage]

has anyone here sorted the characters in oitnb? i finished the show a few months ago and sorted quite a few but i’m wondering what others’ thoughts are

#i mostly just sorted them in my head but may make a post depending on others’ interpretations #i also at still use just the basic 2-tier system i don’t sort types of lions/snakes etc #the shc community has expanded quite a bit since i was last here #hello void #shc #sortinghatchats #oitnb

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[arizonaraine]

SHC: Kevin McCallister, Home Alone

So, I've not posted anything in years. But I am alive and well, thanks for asking :) Merry Christmas to those who celebrate! I recently rewatched Home Alone and have been thinking about my favorite blonde home security system's sorting. See TLDR below if you want a summary.

Kevin starts the movie as a very immature Snake primary. He wants what he wants-- a plain cheese pizza and a room to himself-- and doesn't seem overly concerned with the feelings of others. When he wakes up and discovers his entire family has disappeared, his first response is jubilation. I personally think that a Badger primary would have been pretty disturbed by this sudden lack of community, and a Bird would have questioned a bit more exactly what happened. Kevin, as a Snake primary, goes about living his best life. He jumps on the bed, raids his brother's room, eats a massive ice cream sundae, and watches the movie he was excluded from viewing.

The more time he spends alone, though, the more he realizes that he loves and misses his people. He sleeps with the family picture under his pillow. When making his request to Santa, he says, "I just want my family back. No toys, no presents, nothing but Peter, Kate, Buzz, Megan, Linnie, and Jeff. And my Aunt and my cousins. And, if he has time, my Uncle Frank." Frank, it seems, hasn't made it into Kevin's tiered Snake primary loyalty system.

Another hint at his primary is his conversation with Old Man Marley. He says, "I don't care how mad I was, I'd talk to my dad. Especially around the holidays." His dad is important than being right in whatever disagreement separated Marley and his son. I think a Lion wouldn't have that same sentiment, even if they missed their parent.

Lastly, after he runs home from that chat with Marley at the church, Kevin says, "This is my house. I have to defend it." What makes it worth defending is that it's his.

I think that Kevin has an impressive Bird secondary, though an argument could be made for Snake. The way I see it, Kevin is a planner. In his post-shower monologue, he lists all the things he's done til that point, and then discusses what he plans to do later in the day. He makes grocery lists and clips coupons. He draws up a master plan for the defense of his house, using tools that he's collected up to that point in the movie (micro machines, Christmas ornaments, etc.). He utilizes the mannequins in the basement for the fake Christmas party.

While he's pretty good at pivoting, it doesn't seem to be where he's at his best. At the grocery store, he manages to avoid the cashier's questions (Actor Bird?), but he doesn't appear to take any pleasure in being sly. He uses the movie the trick Marv, but it leads to further suspicion from Harry, which spells trouble for Kevin. When he's caught at the end, he doesn't try to run or talk his way out of it-- he's just stunned. His plan, which had been going so well, failed! Thankfully, his Snake primary saves the day. The connection he forged with Old Man Marley pays off. (The ending scene where he and Marley wave at each other always makes me cry.)

TL;DR

Kevin McCallister is a Snake primary who is alone in his inner circle in the beginning, but realizes how much his family means to him and brings them into his value system. His Snakey connection with Old Man Marley saves him in the end. His Bird secondary enjoys laying plans, clipping coupons, and making lists. He can pivot when he needs to, but that's not the first tool that falls to his hand.

(@wisteria-lodge what's your archetype name for the Snake Bird again? :))

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[emmalovesfitzloved]

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[thelongestway]

Not to comment on something you posted over a year ago, but based on my impressions of the SHC system I think Rezo would, like Zel, also be a Lion/Bird (albeit I am basing this partly on his Revo/Evo-R characterization as well as his Slayers Prime characterization.)

Ha! Long-term engagement is fantastic, so thank you for asking! Let me do A Take on this - but I don't remember Revo/Evo nearly as well, so if you've got something to add from that point, please do!

Rezo the Red Priest, one of the primary antagonists in Slayers, is an interesting case - the Lion Primary is certainly there! That single-minded devotion to curing his own eyesight has A LOT in common with how Zelgadis wants to cure his body. Actually, I think it's fairly safe to say that Zel probably copies his way of dealing from the one adult in his life. However, as far as Secondaries go... There are indeed points to be made for Bird. The sheer breadth of his knowledge - this is a man who goes on to master all the known types of magic to cure his ailment. But there's something to it that's more than tools. Rezo's... I want to say, expansive and systematic in a way few Bird secondaries ever reach, and he is also more nose-to-the-grindstone about it. Where Zelgadis picks up relevant tricks of the trade, Rezo just goes "well, if anything can fix this, it's magic." And he learns everything about magic. Not just what he thinks he needs to. He learns everything.

And the social side of how he works! Even though he doesn't really care for other people's blindness - at least at the point we see him in the first season of the anime - he acquires a reputation as one of the kindest mages, who goes on to heal other people in droves. It's this interesting combination - Rezo doesn't care about other people; but he also... Doesn't lie about his capabilities. He doesn't make up a Persona, the way Zel perhaps would have ("heartless swordsman!") Instead, he lets people project onto him and becomes what they need; he uses them for his own purposes but in a way that they are glad to be used.

He also doesn't keep people around for specific purposes. Bird secondaries have contacts; Rezo has minions and likely more than a few people who owe him their life and health. Even though he, too, has a lonely, ultimately selfish cause, he is enmeshed into Community to an extent Zelgadis would be terrified by.

And the way Zel gets through to him, when fighting Shabranigdo! "Do you really wish to destroy the world you wanted to see so much?" While I wrote earlier that Zel appeals to an Idealist morality here - and I think he does, Lion to Lion - I do think that this appeal also stirred the Badger, which is by its nature very global.

When Zel succeeds, Rezo doesn't bring down Shabranigdo from the inside. He holds him off. Endures. Just enough for Lina to do her thing.

This could be a Bird Secondary... But I think that's a Badger Secondary. In her description of the SHC archetypes, @wisteria-lodge calls the Lion/Badger "The Lynchpin", and notes how they are often the center of a wheel, and the center of events. Rezo would be an unusually non-group oriented Lynchpin - perhaps because we see him at a very desperate point - but the sheer amount of Things revolving around him certainly fits the bill. Also, the Lynchpin is a very common "Sleeper Villain" sorting, and what is Rezo if not that.

Tl;dr: the original Rezo, I think, is a Lion/Badger. Kopii-kun, on the other hand...

#shc #sortingtheslayers #rezo the red priest #akahoushi rezo #lion primary #badger secondary #sortinghatchats

[wisteria-lodge]

bird primary + slightly burnt snake secondary (bird model) (burnt-out badger model)

I don't know if this is the correct place to ask this, oh well :). I recently found the SHC community and fell in love with your analysis. (Disclaimer that I may have misinterpreted some of the traits, again, very new at this.)

I am hoping you can help me sort out my secondary. My primary is very obviously a bird, no problem. I mean, I exibit certain chararistics of the others at certain times, such as strongly valuing personal loyalty and such, but I think complexity is just part of being a human and I fit really neatly into almost all of the bird stuff I've read.

and I mean... "strongly valuing personal loyalty" can just, very easily, be something that you fold into your Bird System.

But my secondary is really giving me trouble. But I keep flipping between snake with badger model or burnt badger with snake model. (With others thrown in for flavor!)

For context, I was raised in VERY emphasized badger home. And like, mostly, I agree? Hard work, grit, and consistency ARE extremely important, and while those are not the only way to ever accomplish things, they tend to be the most reliable and the most likely to give long term success. They also tend to build long lasting relationships that are supportive and grow with you over time and not just around one time/phase/stage in life. (Not that those aren't important) I want to be like that- be the reliable hard-working one. But I'm not! I am fairly lazy actually, and am constantly searching for a way around projects/problems, very often to my own detriment.

So okay. We've got some negative self-talk here.

I don't like the word "lazy" - mostly because it's just incredibly non-specific. "Lazy" can mean issues with executive functioning, it can mean I don't think xyz is important, so of course I'll cut corners. It can mean you're exhausted. It can mean you're depressed. It can mean 'if I am not working literally all the time, I'm worthless.' It can mean you're having a fun, goof-off day. See what I mean?

So what this does tell me is 1) You've got a strong Badger secondary voice in your ear, saying that This Is How It Has To Be and 2) that kind of chafes. You're about working around things, working smarter not harder, and getting out of/finishing quickly the things you don't want to do. Which is 100% completely fine! All it means is that you're probably not a Badger secondary!

And while I am very good at lying and do it to get myself out of problems semi-regularly, I feel guilty about it after (not usually in the moment) becuase of my moral system (bird primary).

I'm leaning slightly-burnt Snake here. Healthy Snakes don't usually refer to their shape-changing as "lying," so I'm keeping that in mind.

But being so snake/adaptable does have many benefits, especially in talking/working with others, and I value my ability to change to fit each person or situation. I am also often able to find unique solutions to the problems I caused myself by not doing it "right" the first time.

Definitely sounds like an improvisational secondary, and changing for the person (as opposed to changing for the situation) is very Snake.

My father has a job in the local public eye and I grew up learning how to be able to talk to anyone, act interested in anything, and have a different mask for school, vs public, vs with friends, vs just being me at home.

Sounds like you built an Actor Bird secondary model (and some of that is of course you going into Neutral.

And sometimes I feel guilty for "manipulating" people, as my moral system emphasis honesty, but just as often I pride myself on making people feel good becuase I figured out what they needed/wanted and gave it to them while making it seem like it wasn't a calculated read of the situation.

Snake. And a fairly important part of this system is that "manipulating" is a completely neutral problem-solving technique. You can manipulate people to do good, and manipulate people to do bad, just the same as you can use the Badger dependability and ability to fly under the radar to do good things, and bad things.

Overall, I am grateful for my childhood (truly I've got great parents) and I think it's super important to be able to react well to unexpected circumstances, so much so that when I finish college this spring (we'll get to that in a second) I want to go into disaster response and crisis management to help others deal with unforseen circumstances. I've worked as an EMT, and hopefully soon as a 911 dispatcher before going into formal disaster response.

I think that will suit you perfectly and (as I'm sure you probably know) that's something a Badger secondary would not be nearly as good at.

I'm very comfortable using snake methods and it makes me feel clever when I come up with an unexpected solution or pull off a tricky social maneuver-

This is a big sign this is your secondary - using it makes you feel powerful.

I just feel guilty because they hard-core fail me when it comes to big tasks I simply don't want to do- situations where the only solution is to just get it done the hard way, and trust me, I would have looked for any other options.

Yeah, that's issues with executive functioning surrounding non-preferred tasks.

I see this most often in my schoolwork. I'm a double-major senior and I am definitely burnt out from school.

Don't blame you. Sounds like you bootstrapped your way through on the family Badger secondary model, and now you're sick of using it.

I am a "gifted child," and I have always done very well in school. I've never had to work very hard at any subject, and so I never did. I always procrastinated and slid in 2 minutes before a deadline.

Very, very common story. You're using adrenaline to hack your brain to punch through executive functioning issues, we've all done it, we know it's not sustainable. Same with not having to work hard in school - you're brain's going fast, you're making connections, you're using meta-knowledge (you're using your secondary.)

The difference is that in college I started not caring about deadlines, being very late or not turning something in entirely. I got A's and F's, no in between. I am graduating, mostly due to amazing professors.

You were burnt out. This is what burnout sounds like. But you made it through, and honestly people just care if you graduated, or not.

There have been things in my life that I've worked really hard at, such as becoming an emt while in high school or my internship last summer, and I have felt really proud of that. But I don't enjoy the work for its own sake, and there have been just as many things I've cared about that I let be mediocre at best becuase I didn't want to put in the effort.

And that's fine! There are some things you care about (and you're incredibly accomplished) and there are some things you don't, and what's the problem with that?

And, some of the best feedback I recieved from that internship was that I always was working hard- and seemed positive about it. When I told them I have to "work hard to work hard" they were shocked and I felt very happy. For 2 reasons: 1, becuase I did actually put in a lot of work to work hard and it showed me that I can when I truly want to (I was starting to doubt), and 2, that they perceived me like that.

I'm guessing it also felt good because there's a large part of you that sees Badger as "the good one."

There's a slightly annoying thing about being human, that gets into the sunk-cost fallacy and things like that, that things we put a lot of effort into are inherently better, or more valuable. But it's just not true. Often the thing that's so easy it doesn't feel like work, the story or painting that just came together, *is better* than the one you slaved and sweat and bled over.

Also, I've been diagnosed with depression and anxiety, probably stemming back from before high school (it's strongly in family history, inevitable more than circumstancial), so how much of that overshadows my personality?

I mean, I think your personality comes through loud and clear. Just stop describing yourself as "lazy" okay?

To make things more complicated I love learning and picking up random bits of information, and I love trying new things. My nickname was Wikipedia in high school becuase I could always be relied upon to have some cursory knowledge about anything, though not always the helpful knowledge. (Bird vibes) I do that for the fun of it though, and it doesn't tend to be the basis of how I make decisions or react to situations.

We know you built a Bird model, so it's good that you can use it as a toy.

So what is going on here? Am I a burnt out badger who needs to not be in the school system for a while to reset and be able to dedicate myself to the things I love, and who uses snake mechanisms to cover my weak spots becuase I got good at that in childhood

You can burn out models. It's pretty common, and it's the puzzle piece you're missing here. You are a Snake. You model Badger when you have to. But because it IS hard, use it too much and it burns out and starts to hurt to use.

At which point you fall back on your Snake secondary and Actor Bird model. Don't worry. You made it through the tough times, and your new situation seems much better suited to your Snake.

Or am I a snake who strongly values badger traits but needs to figure out how to blend them? (And how do I do that?) And also go back to therapy? What's bird doing in there, anyway? I think I'm leaning option two, but like I said- I'm very flip-floppy about the whole thing.

Thank you so much- sorry it got so long. (Imagine if I were confused about my primary too!)

Hey, therapy is fantastic, but it sounds to me like you're doing pretty okay. :)

thanks @adisgracetotheforcesofevil for the submission

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[amai-no-ura]

Hey, what made you change your mind about your primary, in shc way?

Because... my 'cause' oriented personality came from my primary being burned. I never have my community or family. I never have friends that lasts and my family sees me as sentient farm equipment. I never have someone I could be with. So, I cope with it by saying 'I don't any of those things. I'm better than them. I will chase my goal and focus on nothing else but that'.

But now ... I have a friend who sticks with me and actively pushing me to be better. I finally know what it's like to have a community. Then I realized that my 'goal' itself (to join USMC then MARSOC) isn't exactly because of some idealistic purposes. What I want is the community. I want the life of the military and the bond and community between someone who have been through shit together. Someone who has my back. I want 'my people' and I want to be good enough to protect what is mine.

Given the emphasis on 'my people' I have, I'm Snake primary.

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[reading-sometimes]

This post contains spoilers for all three seasons of Amphibia. I used the SHC system to sort Anne, Marcy, and Sasha. A basic overview of the SHC system by @wisteria-lodge is here.

Anne: Badger Lion

"Look, if a friend likes a pencil case, you get it for them. If your friend likes your new shoes, you give them to her. And if a friend wants you to steal a crazy music box from a thrift store, even if you don't really want to, you do it, okay? Because if you don't, they might not want to be your friend anymore."

I debated whether Anne was a Double Badger or a Badger Lion. I think the issue is that Anne's Badger Primary was strangling her Burned Lion Secondary in season one. Anne, essentially, wants to keep the group (her two best friends) happy at all costs. She doesn't have any goals of her own, hence her being an Exploded Badger in season one (and maybe an Immature Badger, too).

As soon as Anne's away from her group (and can't get back to them because plot), she kind of shuts down for a bit. She becomes a Burned Badger Primary, not trusting anyone and thinking that the few friends that she does make are automatically going to leave her (which could be due to the toxic codependent nature of Anne's friendships with Sasha and Marcy, or the stress of living on her own in the woods for a month).

She mimics Sasha a lot in season one, even following her mannerisms, like adopting an Immature Snake Primary model. She becomes hedonistic and irresponsible, and that's how she was in the flashbacks that take place before the show started anyway, but before she was ditching school to hang out with her friends (i.e., doing what Sasha wanted her to do), while in season one she's lying about being sick because she doesn't want to work. The difference is that she's being self-serving, because without her friends, she doesn't really feel like she has a purpose beyond her own pleasure.

Anne slowly recovers throughout season one as she builds a new community out of the townspeople, slowly learning that they do have her best interests at heart (because Sasha...kind of didn't). She loses her Snake Primary model as she becomes more comfortable with her Badger Primary, and starts tentatively testing her Lion Secondary with things like standing up to tax collectors before she finally confronts Sasha at the end of season one, showing her Lion Secondary at full power.

Sasha: Snake Lion

"No! I can do this! I am not gonna fail! Not while Anne and Marcy are getting by without me!"

Sasha acts like a Double Lion most of the time, with a Glory Hound Lion Primary model that's probably Exploded. She climbed to the top of the social ladder in middle school, and she wants power and control at all costs. Sasha does selfish things for selfless reasons, and she genuinely believes that she's doing what's best for Anne and Marcy the majority of the time, because she's so laser-focused on her goal. Getting the things that she wants makes her happy, so she thinks that it would make her friends happy too.

Sasha has a strong Snake secondary model that she relies on to manipulate people. It makes her feel safe when she's in control, because her parents' divorce made her feel powerless. That's why she protects Anne and Marcy from bullies or anything that could potentially be a threat - she needs people relying on her to feel worthy. I mean, Sasha attempts suicide to save Anne from dying.

Sasha's Lion Secondary was always strong, unlike Anne's. She tried to fight bullies even when she was five, and controlled people with brute force if her manipulation didn't work. She loses her Snake secondary model and her Glory Hound Lion primary model throughout the series as she gets redeemed. She gains a Badger Primary model that she probably got from Anne, using it to the fullest to become a therapist at the end of season three.

Marcy: Double Bird

"It sent us to a place where we'd never have to grow apart, where the three of us could be friends forever together! I gave you this, I gave you everything! I just didn't want to be alone."

Marcy was the hardest to sort for me, and I went back and forth on whether she was a Double Bird or a Snake Bird or a Bird Snake. Marcy's a Bird Primary, because she's easily gaslighted by people who are manipulating her. Her Bird Primary might be slightly burned because of Sasha, and she never really questions her like Anne does.

Anne and Sasha are important to Marcy, but that's mostly because she idealizes friendship in general, rather than Anne and Sasha themselves. In contrast to Sasha, Marcy does selfless things for selfish reasons. Sure, she'll help the townspeople out, but only so that she'll feel important. Marcy has a Badger Primary model that's probably Exploded and/or Immature (they're kind of muddled in this show, maybe because everyone's so codependent with each other), given how much of a people-pleaser she is and how much of her personality fades away whenever Sasha's around. Marcy's goal is to be the peacekeeper, to keep Anne and Sasha from tearing the group apart with their fighting in season two, but she's doing that more for herself than for the group as a whole.

Unlike Anne, Marcy's fine with following Sasha around most of the time. It hurts her that they don't really pay attention to her or her interests, but she has fun with them anyway. Ultimately, Marcy wants everything to stay the same, where they're all friends and no one's fighting. But while Marcy says that she'd do anything for Anne and Sasha, her plan and her desires are definitely more important than how Anne and Sasha feel about it. Even her confession is True Colors is inherently selfish (I gave you everything, I just didn't want to be alone).

While Marcy is manipulative and a great liar, indicative of a Snake secondary model, her baseline is not spontaneous; she prefers to have a plan, even though she can excel in spur-of-the-moment decisions, which is why I picked a Bird Secondary over a Snake secondary. Also, she collects a lot of random facts, which is primarily a Bird Secondary thing (and her autism). Throughout season two, she has an Actor Bird mask that she pulls out most of the time: her lovable, innocent nerd persona.

Marcy loses her Exploded Badger Primary model and her Snake Secondary model throughout the series.

#amphibia #anne #sasha #marcy #shc

[somehwere-between]

Hello !! I was wondering if you could give me your analysis to help me find my primary and secondary house haha ? I took the test but that left me confused..

Swag username!

The test is a decent place to start! I can certainly try to help, but I can’t guarantee that it’ll be fantastic.

To start, I think reading this post would definitely help. If you want my (maybe accurate, maybe not) assessment/overview, here you go! It’s long, so read below the cut. After reading this, I would suggest writing down your thoughts and sending me (or someone else, if you’d like) your analysis and seeing what conclusions we can come up with together.

Secondary Houses

Your “how”, your processes, how you interpret things, make decisions independently (singleplayer mode), and interact with others (multiplayer mode). Basically, how you solve problems. For details on single player and multi-player, go here! It’s too long for me to summarize here.

Snakes: The cluemasters, as I call them (my sister is one). They grab the evidence presented, like attitudes, backgrounds, tone, etc., and create a suitable mask to fit the occasion. It’s not cheating at a situation, simply twisting the perspective around until it works best for them. They come in with a mask and take it off as soon as they get home. They can create an unique persona for group settings or for individuals, depending on what is needed. They will always land right side up— even if there’s some cuts here and there. Underneath the mask is something that almost looks like a lion, with bluntness and honesty, but the mask comes back on as soon as required (whether by stress, fear, or reflex).

Burned: Burned snakes can feel dishonest or wrong about their personas, thinking that it’s disingenuous (it’s not, but surrounding morality can make it feel that way), and desperately avoid these masks. From experience of watching my sister and others, most try to force themselves into hoarding knowledge or being overly honest to compensate for a perceived “wrong” of mask-making.

Model: Snake models will look like they have masks and can easily go with the flow of a situation, but when the mask begins to slip, the true secondary is revealed. Maybe they are acting out pre-made masks like a Bird, or charging in with enough low-keyness to pass off as a snake despite being a lion.

Badgers: Badgers insert themselves into communities, help out as much as they can, and use the community to solve problems (which in many cases, benefits the whole community plus the badger sec). When anyone needs them, they show up, and in turn, the community shows up for them. Badgers work behind the scenes— names and reputation mean nothing, unless it can help other communities in the future— but if needed, Badgers can fight dirty. They can leave organizations and watch the fire, they can turn to interrogation and blackmail, and they can harness their ties to have everyone side with them. There are two main subtypes that you can read about in the post above!

Burned: That would be yours truly, unfortunately. Burned badger secs look for communities to insert themselves into, and frequently feel isolated and alone after continuous rejection, so they close into themselves and/or charge into situations simply to desperately find someone who would care. No matter the model, Badgers just want community- that’s what they need most.

Model: Badger models show up, help, and look for communities to help. But when things get rough, the true secondary shows up— in the charging of a lion, in the planning of a bird, in the situational aspect of a snake.

Etc.: Both I and @.wisteria-lodge (not tagged just in case her notifs are clogged up) are badger secondaries, and though I think Wisteria is still drowning in asks, I am open to try and add more insight into badger secondaries! There are many other Badgers who would be open to do so, albeit I’m a bit of a hermit and don’t know too many people. This might be my community, but god am I afraid of rejection.

Lions: If time is of the essence, call the lion secondary. They charge into situations and have faith that their intuition will figure it out as they go along— if there’s a mistake, the only path is forward, and there’s no use dwelling on it (even if it could’ve been prevented easily with some foresight). They are either not working on something, or they are charging. There is no in-between. Lion secondaries frequently lack any models, as it’s “immoral”- there’s really just a more intense, brutally honest side, and a more careful, less brutally honest side. There’s no mask they carry, it’s an on-or-off switch, and the off rarely works. If bird secondaries (see below) have toolkits, lion secondaries have a single hammer and view most obstacles as nails, even if it’s a screw or a wasp. And yes, a hammer-attacking wasp killer is a good example of the sometimes unreasonable and stubborn lion secondary.

Burned: a burned secondary will doubt their tools- in this case, maybe the lion got stung by the metaphorical wasp and doesn’t think the hammer is good enough for their problems. I’ll admit I don’t know exact responses, but I would guess that they might then reluctantly rely on a model in order to figure out what tools they need.

Birds: If knowledge is what you need, bird secondaries have your back. Birds build up their personal libraries of knowledge of all kinds— of people (I Know A Guy birds), of masks (Actor birds), of specific knowledge they can spit out in their given area (Rapid Fire)— and carry numerous tools for numerous situations. Hammer for nails, screwdriver for screws, and bug spray for wasps. That being said, time is not always kind to Birds, as it can take ages to build up what they need (or think they might need at all for whatever event).

Burned: a burned secondary may see their myriad of plans all fall through, and begin to question the very foundation of their knowledge— in this case, they might wind up looking like miserable lions, desperately going with “the last plan” that works even if it’s smashing a screw with a hammer. In general though, they will try all other avenues and still wind up unhappy until their plans begin to work again.

Model: As a burned badgersec, I use a very, very loud Bird model to make up for what I perceive as a lack of community— most other bird models work like this, adding notches into a toolbelt they feel is inadequate to help them in day-to-day life. But, the model is soon lifted off when the question of “why” comes around. Why do I need to know so much, if none of it helps me achieve what I really want (which I’m my case is a loving community)? Bird secondaries want this knowledge for, well, the sake of it, and models want it to aid with whatever the end goal is (people, communities, answers).

Primary houses

Your “why”, your core, how you develop morality and principles. I’d argue this one is much harder to figure out than the secondary, hence why I work “backwards” (in terms of secondary -> primary). Basically, how you build your morality.

Snakes: In loose terms, Snakes care about their people, the people they define as vital and important to them. Ambition is a tool, and unlike JKR portrays them (fuck her anyway), Snakes are in no way more or less inclined to amorality than any other house. In a way, they are far more like Cats than Snakes— they care about keeping themselves and their people safe and flourishing, and other people outside their tiered system are fine enough. To save one of their people is simply a duty, but to save others is nice, not a requirement. Personally, I view it as the necessity for loyalty. To other sortings (even Badger in some cases!), loyalty is important in some capacity, but not the end-all-be-all. For snakes, it is. You help the people you love, and anyone you help outside that circle is just icing on top. @sevilemar has some excellent insight as they are a snake, so I would suggest looking at their #sortinghatchats posts to get more of an inside view on snakes.

Group attributes: loyalist, internal

Burned: Burned snakes frequently look like miserable-as-hell Badgers, feeling like their loyalty is somehow self-centered or evil, so they overextend themselves to people they just don’t care about enough in order to be seen as good enough to others.

Model: Snake models on any primary will look fiercely loyal to a select few, ambitious (in some pursuit), and could come off as cunning, but models exist primarily to aid the core primary. If someone drops one of their very trusted people due to a large moral disagreement, assess how quickly they did it and how much distress it caused. Usually, if they only have a snake model, there won’t be nearly as much distress as a snake primary who would fear and grieve the loss of one of their people.

Etc.: Vito Scaletta from Mafia 2 is a perfect example of a Snake primary protagonist— the whole game follows him and his person (best friend), Joe, through their (mis)adventures in crime-life. Meg from Hercules, Blackbeard from Our Flag Means Death, Aang from ATLA, and Tony Stark of MCU franchise are all wonderful examples to the range of people a Snake can care about!

Badgers: Badgers are all about community, broad or specific. Much like the Snake primary’s “cat” ness, Badger primaries are the Dogs of SHC. So long as someone is a part of their given community, they are valued by a badger. That being said, Badgers can also define what they deem to be a community worth helping, and can frequently fall into an “us versus them” pattern and alienate who they consider to be human. Some younger Badgers can also become the group, consuming every opinion as their own with blind adoration.

Group attributes: loyalist, external

Burned: Burned badgers often look like their Snake cousins— caring about smaller, constricted communities, because caring about too many people has only served to harm them. They are shoved back into themselves, and look very… cramped, for lack of a better term.

Model: Funnily enough, Snake primaries are (from what I’ve seen) the most likely to adopt a Badger model— when their core people are alright, then they can extend their care to other places. Badger models are characterized by supporting communities rather than individuals, but when things get rough, this model will drop.

Etc.: Any “primary anger” from any house can be terrifying, but to be deemed an active threat to their community by a Badger primary is… well, it won’t wind up very good for you. It’s been discussed countless times by the community, but a lot of the characters I personally enjoy are more willing to throw out all nice-ities (is that a word?) when their communities are at stake. Their only moral then is to protect their community and nothing else (as Wisteria puts this, they are “Dark Badgers”— this can apply too in a smaller sense to secondaries). So, word of advice, don’t be stupid and you’ll be fine.

Lions: Ultimately, lions are about their principles, not people. No matter the means, if the end is what is needed, then it all works out. It’s a matter of instinct with lions, following whatever their intuition says (albeit, not blindly— if followed blindly, you probably have an immature lion on your hands). It’s wrong because it’s wrong is the mindset of many lions when it comes to confrontations about their beliefs. Every lion works on a slightly different path of “good” and “bad”- sometimes freedom is the ultimate good, sometimes it’s helping people, sometimes it’s standing up for marginalized communities or animal rights or anything else. To lions, good and bad are objective, not subjective, and lay the groundwork for all other beliefs.

Group attributes: idealist, internal

Burned: Burned lions feel that they are missing some crucial detail about themselves, or might feel guilty or ashamed of not being able to explain the whys behind their actions, and thus try to outsource their morality to the world around them. They believe that there is only one form of reason, and thus look like miserable birds whose friends all have the same beliefs with no variation in order to confirm what they believe in.

Model: Lion models look stable, internal, and passionate more about causes > people. However, when pressed, this model will fall— maybe they’re external, like badgers and birds, or maybe it’s people over morals and they adopt morals from their people, like snakes.

Birds: They are the cousins of lions, but unlike lions who follow their intuition, bird follow external reason. Birds decide their passions, decide their morals, decide their approaches to situations that might otherwise cause distress. They choose to care about projects and people and causes not because of internal obligation, but because of external convictions. However, this means that a younger or developing-system bird can become susceptible to manipulation and falling down long rabbit holes, and many hold extreme guilt over this manipulation and consider it a personal fault that they must correct with current views.

Group attributes: idealist, external

Burned: Birds can become consumed with guilt over past morals and see themselves as bad, so they just accept whatever their intuition calls good or bad. But, it doesn’t feel authentic, nor justified, so they wind up looking like lions who aren’t happy with their intuition.

Model: Bird models will seem external and have research to support their morals/views, but in reality, the research most likely came after the formation of these morals, or because their community/people suggested it.

I wrote up a comparison of birds and lions here, if needed, as those two confuse a lot of people. I hope this helps, at least somewhat!

#sortinghatchats #shc community #bird primary #badger primary #snake primary #lion primary

[sevilemar]

I’m kind of all out of fight (personal stuff), but I guess regarding SHC, is there a sorting (or group of sortings) you find yourself clashing with frequently?

Hm, interesting. I'm a pretty agreeable sort usually, so not many clashes in general.

Very loud lion secondary coworkers grate on my nerves a lot, as do shallow and incompetent badger sec coworkers. And one smooth-talking and manipulative snake sec coworker comes to mind, but I freely admit that there was a good portion of jealousy involved.

As for primaries, that's more difficult. I know I briefly clashed with a double lion in our community before ignoring each other, and I do not understand my brother at all, who is some combination of lion and badger.

Seems like it's mostly lions and badgers I clash with, which is not surprising. They are the sortings I know least with my bird secondary model and my birdy-looking primary sytems.

Thank you so much for the question, mate. How about you?

#sortinghatchats #ask answers

[repetitionsings]

Could you tell us more about wearing different houses and how we could use this to our 'sorting advantage'?

Confused? Pretty sure this was sent to a different blog? @wisteria-lodge had a lot of asks to answer and asked for some help from the SHC community, so I’ll be answering a few they sent my way!

And in relation to that, anon, if this is in reference to something mentioned previously on Wisteria's blog, I cannot find the original context! However, performing houses is something I'm particularly interested in, so let's talk about it. Without potential context, I’m not sure what exactly you mean by sorting advantage, so here’s my thoughts on two possible interpretations: How can we use performances to our advantage in figuring out our sorting?

Try to break down how it feels when you try to perform other houses.

Does it feel like you’re fundamentally going against something you should be doing? Okay, then it’s time to sit with that feeling. Figure out what part of you is objecting, and try to follow that line -- it may not lead to a glowing neon sign saying “congrats you’re a [x]!”, but it can get you in the ballpark.

Does it feel good? Okay, sit with that. What part of that feels good? Is there something right or natural about it? Can you try to filter to what that is? Maybe you’ve tried to put on something you are deep down. Maybe you’ve put on something that aligns on a particular axis, and can work your way from there to what your core is.

How can we use performances to help bolster our actual houses?

Oh boy, how can’t we?!

I see the benefits of performances as very similar to the benefits of models. Primary performances give you possible ways to check your primary, because all of the primaries have their areas where they need it now and again, and can help you figure out what to do when your primary doesn’t really have an opinion on the subject. Similarly, secondary performances can give you something familiar to fall back on when your secondary is unsuited to the task or the situation. They can give you something to lean on if your core house is currently struggling, to try not to tax it to the point of burning/exploding. They can just be fun to play with, especially secondaries. They can help you to write or act characters that match that performance, by giving you something to lean on in figuring them out.

Models are more rooted, so they’re going to be easier to use for most of these purposes -- it’s going to feel much more natural to do so. But performances are going to be easy to leave behind. You’re not going to get trapped between a performance and a core house, while it is definitely possible to find yourself trapped between a model and a core house, even if the core is likely to win out in the end.

It’s also helpful in understanding other people. No, a performance isn’t going to give you the same experience as living that core house -- but it can give you some inkling of it, and sometimes that can make a lot of difference.

#topic: performances #shc #shc community #sorting hat chats #til binary systems run

[those-weird-twolegs]

swiftpaw's wish clan culture rambles, c/ped from disco, written by mod soda

Introductory speed notes:

thunder group-hunts and eats raw food if they have to, they often fell one or two antler-less deer every shedding season and their scores from these huge deer-hunting patrols are greatly valued.

wind sundries herbs, meats, and some spices. going with the logic that they can only use herbs and spices that wont kill them, though.

river dries their river reeds, and then weaves them into baskets used for: trade, transport, and occasionally given a top, filled with water, and lined with cotton in the winter to keep it from melting too easy, and the water is filled with various raw foods. they freeze the water, preserving the food until the end of winter when their bought supplies from the solstice are running out.

shadow cooks and smokes whatever meat they get their hands on. frog? cooked or smoked. rat? cooked or smoked. traded goods? cooked or smoked. crows/ravens? cooked or smoked. they are renowned for their amazing skills in preparing the best looking and tasting meals. they are, however, also known for not having the best foods for trade, so they tend to bring valuables they find in the carrionplace, by the thunderpath, and in the swamp.

Note: below is a poorly formatted + edited discord conversation.

"maybe it used to be that shadow cooked and smoked the food they got from hunting and wind dried, but ever since brokenstar and tigerstar tried to assimilate the clans their traditions are all mucked up" - soda

"shadow less than wind tho"

"and because of brokenstar they now cook as well"

"They couldn’t before?" - dorito

"All clans can cook, but shadowclan is renowned for their excellence at it." - soda again

"Since cooking and smoking food is the best way to preserve food in the wild swamps of the lake and forest (yes we’re making the lake pine forest a swamp forest because swamp ≠ pine in skills), shadowclan had to perfect their talent and skill."

"as for windclan, they preferred drying their meats, herbs, spices and snacks."

"But then, obviously, brokenstar tried to force shc traditions on wc and vice versa and. things got muddled."

"Shadowclan can now dry things, if they really try hard, and windclan now knows the basics of making actually amazing foods" "now all shadowclan is known for is their food presentation"

"Brokenstar takes over windclan?" - dorito again

"For a short bit yes" - soda p3

"then they revolt and get driven out"

"And then ofc, moons later, thunder and wind and eventually river and shadow are forced to merge to defeat tiger + bloodclan"

"at first, windclan is uneasy about it, but willing for lionclan to happen because it has to. But then riverclan joins and they start seeing clan cats sharing their traditions and god, it’s horrifying to the more traditional windclan cats."

"Do the clan have their own exclusive traditions or holidays?" - dorito p3

"Yes" (looking back w/ what i have now, not really) - soda boogaloo

"Windclan, thunderclan, and riverclan celebrate the summer solstice as it brings about wonderful times of prosperity for their traditions. Shadowclan celebrates summer too, but it’s not as big as the winter solstice."

"To them, the winter solstice is when they’re able to appreciate the power of their fires most, and the act of cuddling around a fire and sharing tongues with clanmates is invigorating to them."

"Shadowstar is the one who brought fire to the clans, so shadowclan was always known for their amazing flames. But eventually, for the safety of the other clans, they had to learn to share their flames, but keep their best tending secrets to themselves."

"This was so less cats got sick from hunger and cold during winters, ofc"

(brief diverge) "Difference in clanmate + family dynamics?" - dorito boogaloo

"Shadowclan is more closed off and independent, while windclan is very communal and open. Riverclan is more like shadow, but not as strongly independent, and thunder is more like wind" - soda v5

(diverge over) "anyways— It’s said the five four original clan leaders brought their skills to the forest."

"Shadowstar brought fire tending, Wind brought sun drying, Thunder brought hunting, and River brought weaving."

"In secret, though, many of the revolutionary ideas were from skyclan, who was the clan that was the best of all at smoking meat. They were forced to teach shadowclan their ways before leaving, however, so the clans could continue to have the tasty smoked steaks and such (scrapped this part)"

"(Note: not necessarily clear sky. just skyclan.)"

"It is “unknown” to most cats why the ideas stopped flowing in after some time."

"The last warriors of skyclan were actually able to build makeshift shelters better than ever seen in a clan before, as all of their last cultural ideas were stolen."

"hrmmm would thunder have brought useful hunting techniques and such specifically? as they would all Know how to hunt id think :0c they could also be attributed to the mutual respect between cat and prey and giving thanks for it" - mod haze

"Yeah— He brought up the idea of group hunts!" - mod soda

"Since thunder was born on the forest territories, it’s more like he just brought in the idea of herding prey, and eventually developed and evolved it into herding whole deer fawns"

"A skyclan cat was the one to propose [killing] adult deer after they shed their horns"

"It was considered bonkers at the time to herd whole adult deer, but it was actually genius when it turned out that cat had meant that you wait until antler-shedding season"

"Shadowstar along with Fire could bring the art of trapping and ambush" - mod dorito

"Yes! That was back in the days before the clans fully formed, though, and the fire later was no longer offered to the other four clans after they did" - mod soda

"Clear sky brought. very little value to the table in hindsight. Many thought he was a skilled tactician, but once he died, everyone looked back and realized he was just manipulating people."

"Many even refused to call him “skystar”"

"Even his own clanmates refused him that right after his death."

"In the old days, every clan had a little of all five skills — Experimenting, Cooking/Smoking, Drying, Weaving, and Hunting."

"But as things progressed, they began refining them, until it came to be that Skyclan cats were the best at experimenting and smoking meat, Shadowclan were best at cooking, Windclan were best at drying, Thunder at catching, and River at storing (weaving)"

"Riverclan had developed the skill of insulating cool places with ice and cotton w/sky’s help a few moons before disaster began striking skyclan"

"So riverclan knows how to refrigerate stuff and has the best resources to do that with (running river water + later sterilizing it through an early skyclan invention (charcoal water filters) and then freezing it in a basket with the food you wanna preserve until later inside)"

"it’s less a practice done to store food for all of winter and more done to store until the butt end of winter and early days of spring, when prey are barely starting to come out again and their dried/cooked/smoked food from the last solstice festival is running out"

"the festivals are dropped during the great journey because of how much of a toll it took on the clans"

"but later they get picked back up in the form of daylight gatherings at the lake territory when those become things"

"The daylight gatherings are more common than the festivals, and so the clans find it much easier to survive the inbetween weeks and they therefore have less animosity"

"Now, let’s talk about windclan. Windclan was vastly known for their amazing skill at drying herbs and meats quickly and efficiently. While not as tasty, things like dried meat, herbs, and spices (on occasion) were better to get through winder months with, so the clans were very reliant on the windclan drying process. This is part of why brokenstar took over and tried to eradicate the drying traditions."

"(To be clear, the clans used baskets and such from riverclan to transport their goods and tradable valuables to and from locations such as half-way camps and festival locations)"

"(Halfway camps are usually created halfway into the territory towards fourtrees/the island, and are locations for reprieve in the territory if you’re out too long or hurt/injured.)"

"(Clans with 2+ full medicine cats will have the excess med cats wander through the halfway camps and base camp to help heal any warriors who are resting there, injured. Halfway camps are also easy quarantine areas, but MUST be doused with hot water afterwards, as this is the only way the clans have found they can prevent further outbreaks in warriors who go back there.)"

"(This is part of why bluestar is so worried about kits in into the wild’s prologue. they only have one medicine cat, and per the ways of the clans, that is simply Not Good.)"

"When brokenstar eventually tries to assimilate shadow and windclan, he is fought against by Deadfoot and Tallstar, but they are sent fleeing past the borders as their clanmates are asleep or too confused and scared to fight. Windclan is communal and giving, so the idea that a clan would want to assimilate with another in such a violent way confuses them greatly."

"When tallstar and Deadfoot come back, it is with firepaw, greypaw, and the barn cats (of which there are multiple at the time). The barn cats rally the windclan warriors — hell, even some shadowclan warriors fight back (looking at nightpelt & others) — and soon, shadowclan is forced out in the middle of the night."

"No one knows which shadowclan warriors it was who fought back, either, because everyone was so confused and exhausted in the fray of the fighting that they just. couldn’t tell it was even shadowclan warriors"

"They just think that fire and grey brought more than they actually did"

"Tallstar lost a life in that fight, and so did every barn cat except barley, who was very upset at the loss of his friends, allies, and colleagues (of which there were 3)"

"This is also around the time raven joined barley, but barley insisted the young cat stay home and protect the barn."

"So, after that, the windclan cats were not sure what to do. They struggled to rebuild their clan, and were finally doing well (but not the same) again when tigerstar proposed the merge."

"Some of the cats born or raised during brokenstar’s rule over windclan were all for the idea of assimilating their cultures. They wanted more skills, more options and opportunities, but they were all shut down and forced to think like the rest of their clanmates by mudclaw."

"Of course, these young warriors and apprentices had no idea that tiger was worse than broken. Hell, some of them thought tall was weak and soft because he wasn’t like broken, who they remembered strongest from their childhoods."

"When this was discovered, everyone was appalled and showed them the horrors of what brokenstar had truly been doing through… less than helpful means."

"Honestly, it’s mudclaw’s willingness to and skill at stamping out these quarrels and horrible beliefs that makes him the prime candidate for deputy in tall’s eyes after deadfoot’s death."

"Anyways, windclan still wants desperately to get their old traditions of drying back, but it’s not the same now that shadowclan knows their secrets. And now Firestar wants to merge his clan with Tallstar’s, to defeat tigerstar…"

"To say they were uneager to merge clans again would be understating the problem."

"Of course, the elders’ fears came true. Thunderclan and Riverclan and Windclan youngsters began to train together, teaching each other the individual ways of their clans. This was put to a stop as soon as the clans went back to their individual camps, but things were never the same, not to those elders."

"Of course most of the bleeding of culture faded over the next year or so, but that didn’t change the fact that what was done was done."

"And then… we have thunderclan."

"“Let all those whose lives are forged from the blood they spill gather under the highrock for a clan meeting!”"

"Little thunderclan, being forged on the blood of prey animals and the act of hunting animals heavier than one can ever hope to carry on their own. Thunderclan, the ones known as regal and generous natures, despite the absolute cruelty and chaotic ways they treat their prey with."

"Thunderclan, the ones who just can’t seem to keep their opinions to themselves, thunderclan, the ones who always have to get their ways, thunderclan… the one who was founded by a child."

"It isn’t helpful that the cat prophesied to save the clans came to thunderclan. It isn’t helpful that he became loud and obnoxious like the rest of them. It isn’t helpful that he became their leader."

"Do the rest of clans get the prophecy?" - mod dorito

"crookedstar and tallstar do. brokenstar does not." - mod soda

"thunderclan is the most hated, the most annoying, the most brutish fighters, and they’re aware of it. They know the other clans won’t fight their will because if they try, they might risk making themselves a target for the great warriors of thunderclan, a target of the greatest leader ever, even. Firestar isn’t like that, but he will make it known when he thinks his course of action is the best. Which is all of the time."

"Is it firestar’s idea? Yes? It’s great, keep going. Is it anyone else’s? No, stop it."

"Do they fight over Firepaw?" - mod dorito

"Uhhhh not really? Crookedstar is more occupied holding riverclan together and tallstar is trying to repair windclan. Neither can really take on the responsibility of a prophetic child." - mod soda

(the rest delves into more cat and arc-specific lore instead of culture stuff.)

#warriors rewrite #warrior cats #swiftpaw's wish #wc clan lore #clan culture