people reading Toshiro as being repulsed by Laois and drawn to Falin and saying it's dumb af because they're both autistic but he's doing the autistic men - annoying autistic women - manic pixie dream girl are ignoring several things but the biggest thing for me is
Laois and Falin are both autism coded but the way they behave, especially towards Toshiro, is radically different. Most obvious example that we see time and time again is Laois blatant disrespect of Toshiro's personal space. He is constantly right there, in his face, touching him, taking every minute of his time while Toshiro, having grown up in a very different sort of world with very different social cues that Laois would not be aware of, is fucking dying because, as he says, he knows Laois is being totally sincere in his actions and Toshiro would appear and feel like an asshole if he was blunt with Laois!
Falin, notably, doesn't do this! Toshiro is seen interacting with Falin several times (including having these hangouts interrupted by Laois), but she doesn't push into his space and demand physical intimacy the way that Laois does.
I desperately need dunmeshi fans to get their heads out of their asses about Shuro and remember that this man is from a completely different culture than the Toudens and everyone else and has different societal rules and cultural norms that basically handicap him in awkward situations like most of the interactions we see from his and Laois's past. I also need people to fucking recognize that Laois and Falin are very similar and very neurodivergent but their behavior towards Toshiro in particular is very different and Shuro is drawn towards the sibling who doesn't constantly make him uncomfortable in a way Shuro feels he can't call out.
And you're allowed to ship Falin and Marcille without fucking demonizing the man who fell in love with her weird and gentle nature!
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I'm gonna be completely honest when I say that the thing that really really rubbed me the wrong way about the toshiro situation is the way he treats fallin in comparison to Laios. I'm not saying that Laios wasn't doing a considerable number of microagressions against him, he absolutely was. And Toshiro is right to be exhausted and furious about that. But the thing that gets me is how fucking similar the toudens are.
I do not care about him "getting in the way of farcille" I ship it but honestly when he was first introduced I really liked him and was out here shipping him too. I don't have any issue with the proposal, which is a clearly stated cultural difference. The fight scene is heartrenching for any autistic person to watch but also, he isn't exactly doing ok right there. He's in a very rough traumatised place, I get why he would lash out.
The thing that gets me is how so many of the characteristics he demonises in Laios he romanticises in Fallin and as an autistic person that feels really gross? Given these are mostly autisitic traits. It's an interesting complexity to him in a vacuum but outside of it, where autistic women are so often erased and the quirky manic pixie dream girl concept is so fetishised while having overlap with neurodivergent people it feels very uncomfortable.
Truthfully we never see Fallin do the same microagressions which may be a reason Toshiro didn't lash out at her and could see them in a more postive light. But she still seems to call him Shuro which isn't his name and her and laios are so similar that I feel like she likely had a similar reaction just, because he had feelings for her, it didn't seem as unwanted. Again that's an interesting and sympathetic thing within a vacuum but outside of it it makes me uncomfortable for the same reason I think it would be completely reasonable for someone who has had to deal with racial microagressions all their life to dislike Laios because of it
I'm not saying there is not racism isn't a part of the backlash, but I really did want to clarify exactly what made me start to dislike him. There is very good reasons for a lot of his actions towards Laios, but I'm never going to be able to see someone saying a gender they aren't attracted to showing autistic traits is annoying and a gender they are attractive to showing them is cute and not be made uncomfortable with that.
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I should probably just avoid fandom discourse altogether but the mischaracterization of Toshiro is really starting to get to me (and this isn't a case of "my poor precious blorbo I'm the only one who understands you" because tbh I don't think he's in the top five of my dunmeshi faves)
The main issue comes from his relationships with Falin and with Laios. "He loves Falin for everything he hates Laios for." No, wrong. Does he maybe romanticize Falin a bit as a manic pixie girl with a refreshingly original personality and interests? Sure, yeah, but the thing is, he doesn't hate Laios for his monster special interest.
One thing Laios and Falin don't have in common is their way of expressing themselves. While Laios is very outspoken and talkative, Falin tends to be more quiet and reserved. Just think about the flashback to magic school when she first met Marcille. If that had been Laios, he would've also been the kid who shows up late covered in dirt from chasing grasshoppers, but he wouldn't have kept to himself like Falin did until Marcille approached her. He would've gone around the room saying, "Hi, I'm Laios, let me tell you about my project and why it's weird."
That's why Toshiro is upset/annoyed/envious around Laios ("hate" is the wrong word to describe their relationship methinks). He finds him abrasive and insistent and blind to the hints that maybe he should shut the fuck up for a second please.
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It's maddening seeing people dismissing shuro's feelings for falin as a man loving a manic pixie dream girl imagery in his head but like sure the bug thing was what made him fall for her but idk man I think it wasn't all that like they spent three years adventuring together, you know, I'm pretty sure there were other moments or something. AND ALSO he didn't really 'force' his feelings on her lol. People really equate the marriage proposal as him intentionally imposing his feelings, like shuro is actually fine when falin rejected him and look! they're still friends! I think it's important to separate falin's troubled feelings regarding the proposal and her general inability at rejecting people from the marriage proposal itself. It doesn't take away her struggle as a women living in a world that made her feel like she had to accept a man's advances. Like I can't believe this needs to be spelled out, I didn't even shipped them but I keep seeing shuro hate for stupid reasons and it peeved me lol. And don't get me started on the people hating him for laios like when will fandom stop putting a white (fictional) man's feelings above all else. Please look at That scene with some critical thinking and nuances I'm begging you.
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