#supernatural wank

[sapphicmoonlightlilith]

my controversial spn take is that had rowena looked, like, 5-7 years younger than she did, samwena would be a more popular ship than saileen and the only real reason saileen is more popular is bc for all the talk of loving milfs in digital spaces, even (and sometimes especially) queer digital spaces, as a society we still have it deeply ingrained into us that women over the age of 35/40 are undesirable and because of this alone, consciously or unconsciously, i feel like a good portion of people see eileen as a much better love interest for sam.

#this post is gonna do the opposite of numbers i can feel it. #i should clarify: #i am not anti saileen #and this is not meant to attack saileen shippers #all im saying is we should examine our unconscious biases and the way they affect what we ship #spn tag #rowena macleod #sam winchester #samwena #supernatural #spn #spn wank #rowena supernatural #sam supernatural #rowena macleod/sam winchester #spn hot take #supernatural wank #supernatural hot take

[musclesandhammering]

Spn Opinions That’ll Have Me Burned at the Stake Pt. 2: Electric Boogaloo

I’m back and bitchier than ever. For reference, here’s part 1.

• Season 5 wasn’t that great.

• D*stiel isn’t real, it’s a sucky ship, and that confession scene was just the writers pandering to the rabid deancas fans cause they knew they were the only ones still watching the show lol. And they left it ambiguous enough that they could still say it was meant platonically if they needed to.

• I hate how they watered down both angels and demons post-season 5ish.

• I liked Ruby 1.0 better than Ruby 2.0.

• I hate Honey!Cas. They just did that cause they didn’t know where to take his story from there, needed him out of the way, and thought it would be funny. It was insulting.

• Jack should’ve been played by an actual child so everyone’s abuse of him would resonate with the audience for what it was (casual fans are brain dead and need to be spoon fed).

• Victor Henrikson deserved more time on the show.

• I said it in the last post, but Alex is way more interesting than Claire and should’ve been given the lead role in the wayward sisters storyline instead.

• Dean is canonically straight and for Christ sake if you guys wanted bi rep, there’s about a thousand other characters that are strongly coded or implied to be bisexual (including Sam!) but y’all didn’t focus on them because it wasn’t actually about representation, it was about making it more plausible for your dumb fetishised gay ship to actually happen (spoiler: it didn’t).

• Season 3 and Season 6 were some of the best ones, you guys just don’t have any taste.

• Claire is not Castiel’s daughter and saying she is erases Jimmy and insults her, and even Cas himself acknowledged that on the show.

• Castiel is canonically NOT gay and Misha constantly saying he is is annoying and airheaded. He’s been attracted to women IN THE SHOW and he’s not even really male, so calling him a Gay Man is reductive and just plain wrong. Also, it’s veeery sus that- given how bi/pan folks are even more underrepresented than gay people- that one of the rare times where the bi/pan label actually fits a character BETTER in CANON……. the allies and monosexuals adamantly reject it. Hm.

• “Curing” vampires or werewolves or demons shouldn’t have been a thing.

• The Winchesters cause most of the bad shit that happens and then they just force supernatural beings to fix it for them- tell me again how they’re Super Special Heroes.

• It shouldn’t be possible to make angels human by removing their grace, because (unlike demons, werewolves, etc) they were never human to start with. If you drained me of all my blood, I wouldn’t magically transform into another species, I’d fucking die.

• Making Billie go crazy was dumb.

• Rowena was one of the most interesting and charismatic characters on the whole show- they just didn’t know what to do with her character.

• The archangels, Lilith, and Azazel should’ve been the biggest threats on the show. No other knights of hell, no god and his sister, no Cain, nothing like that. Having every villain just get progressively more overpowered made the show unbelievable and repetitive and annoying.

• The kernel sanders king of hell guy was hot.

• Dean is misogynistic as HELL, homophobic, likes racist porn, is a narcissist, pervs on teen girls, & thinks all non-human people should be exterminated… and that is all CANON.

• Most of John Winchester’s abuse is fanon.

• Fans portraying Cas as a smol bby who colours in colouring books and has a bee plushie is so fucking annoying.

• Instead of having so many gigantic cosmic storylines with god and his sister and alternate dimensions and even the angel and demon tablets, they should’ve just scrapped those and made the stein family and the bmol and the alpha vampire storylines way bigger than they were. Less cosmic stuff, more earth-based stuff.

• They ruined Lucifer’s character post-season 5. Before that, he was more sympathetic and reasonable than Michael. After, he was a spoiled child hurting people for fun.

• Everything from season 7 on is garbage. All of it. There’s bits of goodness here and there but overall seasons 7-15 are trash.

• How the fuck are there actual people who are deangirls and hate Sam?? The space where your brain should be is empty, I swear to god.

• If there was gonna be any lgbt rep in the Wayward Sisters group, it should’ve been Jody and Donna instead of Claire and Kaia. Those two were boring as hell and had zero chemistry or build-up, but Jody/Donna had plenty of chemistry and was very believable.

• Meg has the best and most realistic redemption arc of anyone on the show.

• Chuck was not likeable or charismatic enough to carry off as big of a villain arc as they gave him. Also that whole thing was stupid and WAY too Out There.

• All the angels should’ve been aroace. All the demons should’ve been pan.

• I stanned Cole so hard up until he changed his mind about hating Dean. That was disappointing.

• Sam went through the same shitty childhood Dean did (plus Bonus Abuse on top of it) and he didn’t turn out Like That.

• I cannot think of a single person that was asking for a spin-off about the Winchester family, like that has to be the most boring thing.

#unpopular opinion #unpopular supernatural opinions #spn unpopular opinions #spn #supernatural #anti dean winchester #Dean winchester critical #dean critical #supernatural wank #fandom wank #castiel #sam winchester #anti destiel #anti destihellers #Misha Collins criticism

[agentkikirogers]

Supernatural Reddit Vent

This is NOT an anti JA post.

That being said....Of course someone would make one after I made one.It's not like the entire fucking reddit is pro Dean or JA. God forbid the other main actor and character is posted in a positive way. Idc If you see my account. Fuck it and fuck those negative commenters on my post.

the original post I made:

I'm so... mad. Yesterday on reddit I made a Jared appreciation post. Today I saw the comments. Very positive except for two. Not sure how the mods always take my posts down because it resembles a pool or interaction. Yet comments comparing JP arrest to Chris Brown is okay.

So I've been in a shit mood since then. I reported the hell out of the comments but the fact that the comment got a good number of upvotes made me sick. People make mistakes. He owned up to it. I also said that they didn't even give the full story.

#Anti supernatural #Supernatural wank #Jared padalecki #Jared padalecki deserves a better fandom

[suncaptor]

the debate about whether or not to save Sam from the Cage because at this point he's too damaged is so fucked up to me. people deserve to be taken out of horrible environments even if they're traumatised because of it. why on earth would you leave them there? to not have to deal with them? they deserve safety even if they are severely mentally ill for the rest of their lives due to what they've been through. traumatised people deserve to not be in horrific conditions actually.

#s6 #wank cw #spn #incoherents #sammy #supernatural #sam winchester

[woundlingus]

Frankly I wish Cas shagged Hannah on screen full frontal so we could have put the angelcest discourse to bed permanently, we could be talking about angel on angel action as taboo because they’re meant to be sexless beacons of purity- there’s actual taboos being made here that are a thousand times cooler and it’s not that they’re “siblings” don’t be boring

#Hannah wanted to suck and fuck that guy canonical #’gay angel’ okay Hannah likes gayboys she kissed him square on the lips #fandom wank #angelcest #supernatural #spn #Castiel #Hannah spn

[sam-winchesters-gay-lover]

i might despise dstiel on a deep emotional level but i just wanna say im here for your sastiel girlies, im your number one ally

#supernatural #fandom wank adjacent #mac rambles #sam winchester

[nobodymitskigabriel]

The other thing about the who knows Dean best debate is that Dean doesn't know everything about Sam either. They spent their whole child lives with four years and a neglectful father between them so a big part of their journey especially in the beginning is learning who the other really is. I don't know where this idea came from that Dean magically knows everything about Sam just because he had to look after him sometimes e.g. he didn't know that Sam believed in God and prayed every day. But because he reacts to learning things about Sam much differently than Sam reacts to learning things about him, it's like only the latter sticks in people's heads? I mean practically all of 5x17 is Dean learning about a whole new side of Sam...and just not accepting it. Sam and Dean know each other better than anyone else, and they both have blind spots when it comes to the other. I think that's pretty unavoidable in any close familial relationship.

#dean brushing it off or making a joke or being outright hostile to learning something about sam vs #sam being thoughtful and saying out loud “i didn't know that” #is it because he said it that it stuck in peoples' heads? do you need the character to say they didnt know something for you to absorb it? #supernatural #sam and dean #fandom wank #sam winchester

[mlobsters]

saw a post yesterday (3 months ago now) that was like finale reactions from not-wincest shippers saying wincest won - but wincest shippers said it wasn't even wincest. which brings me around to my pondering how there's this divide of the ship into wincest / weirdcest / gencest which I'm still not totally sure the difference between the last two. but like, if I'm talking about wincest, I'm not talking about them with fucking required? it's just the dudes in a not-strictly-familial-platonic relationship. which to me, canonically, even in the most literal reading they've got a queerplatonic situation, so that qualifies

i think what i'm boggling over is that (sometimes?) the ship isn't the ship (the key is the key, man) it's like, ship+what they're doing with their dicks.

which led me to reading fanlore's gen and slash and smarm etc articles -> looked for a gencest article, reading the gen sam & dean one and the sam/dean one which is understandably packed with the related shipwar-ish stuff and i'm reminded i just. shouldn't read what anyone has to say about ships and this show. I feel like I'm rarely on the same page as anyone else, which is impressive in a fandom this large. i still don't really understand how the lines between them get drawn. but after all that i read, it sounds like people aren't really in agreement out there on the internet either.

so, this has been in my drafts since december and another post/reply got me to open it back up, someone saying if you want to tag the non-sexual situation it's gencest or weirdcest, not wincest. but I think now my personal understanding/interpretation is that those are just a subset of wincest, not standalone. I think another component of why it gets under my skin too is the inherent devaluation of queerplatonic relationships. a definition borne of the aromatic and asexual communities

and who's to say it isn't romantic? if the lines and beats are romantic, does it stop being so because they're brothers? would we have the same splitting up of the ship if they weren't related? (can guess what my answer would be)

ANYWAY. this was supposed to be how one ship has been split in a way I haven't seen before and find really weird. I can see how say, on tumblr, it's nice to have a tag that's just the qpr relationship, but not to the exclusion of the main ship.

I thought on AO3 it would be more clear cut, but of the 282 tagged with "Gencest | Emotionally Incestuous but Non-Sexual Dean Winchester and Sam Winchester" only 118 are tagged with Dean/Sam. and in the 79 works tagged "Weirdcest | Dean Winchester and Sam Winchester Appear Incestuous to Others Due to Lack of Boundaries", 40 are Dean/Sam.

and while I like the expansion of the tag name to include a definition, what even is emotionally incestuous :p and if there's incest in your definition, how does that not fall under the ship rubric

but being that there's 34,387 works tagged with Dean/Sam, and while there's more things tagged with gencest pre-2020, the majority is 2019+. and weirdcest is nearly exclusively 2021+. so, large consumer of fic that I am, I am sure things that would fall under those labels weren't tagged as such in the main tag.

going back to fanlore, the article about qprs:

Queerplatonic relationship tags are canonized in freeform tags on AO3, but uses in relationship tags are synned to the / tag.[4]

and the reference is:

Cisco Ramon/Caitlin Snow (Queerplatonic) has been made a synonym of Cisco Ramon/Caitlin Snow. Works and bookmarks tagged with Cisco Ramon/Caitlin Snow (Queerplatonic) will show up in Cisco Ramon/Caitlin Snow's filter.

which honestly made me laugh. that's a very specific situation!

but I think a lot of this, for me, circles back to what is a ship even, and why doesn't love for each other above all else+life partners qualify

and yet, look at me the hypocrite, because I tag stuff with "sam and dean" that are the canonical qpr things, but I wouldn't tag wincest because I know a lot of people would have it filtered. whereas anything remotely shippy in xfiles canon, I tag with msr. *facepalm*

and the advice/explanation I've received about tagging other people's posts, canon gifs, what have you; as wincest - that you might be putting their personal squick right in their notifications. so, don't do that! and I've internalized those rules.

and I guess there's plenty of people that watch the show and think they're just regular brothers ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

spn fandom is a minefield even with my skirting at the edges of it.

I don't know what anything means anymore

#supernatural #i tag it because i want it to be caught by people's filters that wanna filter it but this also has no need to be in the main tag #sigh #wincest #gencest #weirdcest #fandom wank #I'd say I'll regret actually posting this but no one cares about my opinions so i guess it works out for the best 😂 #queerplatonic #qpr

[uh-ohspaghettio]

I think a lot about that post that was ranting how canonically Dean should be fat and art not depicting him that way is unrealistic like come one be for real here that man grew up with food deprivation and ran for his life for his job

#I still love art with Dean of all sizes! #it’s just that post was claiming fat phobia and I was like ??? #the post wasn’t fussing Jensen ackles #they were just saying if Dean was real he’d be fat #which for the listed reasons above I disagree with #spn #supernatural #dean winchester #fandom wank

[rewatching-sam-and-dean]

Why this Doesn’t Mean Destiel : Part 1 - Mixed Tape

I may make this a series. I may not. But I’m feeling annoyed by a certain side of fandom, so I’m going to take a look at moments (or things) that are claimed to totally make D and C cannon, and discuss why I disagree. If you like the ship, please just save yourself the annoyance and skip on past this post. If you read this anyway or are not a fan, and have anything to add, I welcome your thoughts.

THE TAPE:

First, and I can’t believe I have to say this, a mixed tape is not actually inherently romantic. Friends make mixes for each other all the time, or used to before you could just share playlists or whatever them kids are doing these days. For example, my friends have ripped me CDs because they had better internet, they gave me a mix for my birthday, we went on a road trip and they left me the mix, or just because. I have done many of these things for my friends in return. A missed-tape or CD is simply a way to share songs we like with people we care about, or even an acquaintance. Can it be romantic? Absolutely! Is it inherently so? No.

Why isn’t this particular tape romantic? Check the name: "Dean's Top 13 Zepp Traxx.” This looks, more than anything, like a tape Dean made for himself ("Dean's"). As in, "I really like these particular songs, so I’m going to put them on one tape, so I don’t have to keep changing tapes over on road trips." Also, note the "Zepp Traxx." This looks more to me like something a teenager would write because it looks "cool" than anything else. I mean, a Dean who is pushing 40 might write "Traxx" on a tape — maybe — but it doesn’t seem that likely. So, it’s more than likely this tape was made decades ago, for himself, thus not a romantically intended (or thought out) mixed-tape. There is nothing about the tape itself to indicate it was made for Cass or that it has any special meaning.

DEAN:

Can we be honest here for one minute, people? Can anyone — anyone who has actually watched the whole show rather than cherry picking certain people's scenes — actually picture Dean Winchester, sitting down with an old boom box, lovingly, tenderly loading tapes into one side and recording onto a blank tape in the other side, thinking, "Sigh! These songs are so special to me because they make me think of my crush, Cass!" Or "I’m going to make Cass a tape of the most romantic Zeppelin songs I can to show him I care!"? If you answered "Yes" to that … this is not the blog for you. Also, I doubt that you know who the canon Dean Winchester is, as opposed to the fanon man-shapedr 14-year-old girl version from Tumblr or AO3. Dean doesn’t have time (or inclination) to sit down and make a mixed tape from scratch at this time in the show, especially when, you know, good luck finding a working tape recorder / cassette player / boom box that still works these days. The MOL bunker was frozen in time just a touch before tape cassettes were invented, so I doubt they have one hanging around the place. So, he went and bought something he could make a tape for Cass with? Really? I’m thinking not.

The most likely scenario for Dean giving Castiel a mixed tape? They are in the impala, maybe Sam is there sitting shotgun, maybe he isn’t. Cass starts talking about how he found merit in music Sam liked, or just some random music, and Dean says, "Come on Cass! That music is crap! Here, listen to this. This is the good stuff!" Then he rummages in his box of tapes one-handed, while driving, and tosses one to Cass. "Keep that one. I have a others," Dean adds. Then Cass says, "I’ll treasure it always, Dean!" No I’m kidding. Cass says, "Okay, Dean." He may or may not intend to actually listen to it at some point. After he finds a tape deck, of course.

So, does the mixed tape mean nothing? No, it’s still a nice gesture to give something you made to someone you care about. Do I think Dean put a lot of soecific thought into it, just for Cass? No. I think it’s actually similar to Sam letting Cass hang out in his room (presumable on his bed) watching Netflix on his TV, doing something nice for a friend and sharing media.

CASTIEL:

Even if Dean had sat sobbing over his mix for hours while he painstakingly crafted it just for Cass, it still wouldn’t equal Destiel. Why? Because Cass clearly didn’t appreciate it since he simply used it as an excuse to enter Dean's room and steal from him. Even if it was intended as an act of love, it was used as a tool for deception and betrayal. Thus, this does not support Destiel, rather it makes a case against it from Cass' POV.

THE WRITER INTENTIONS

Obviously, I can’t speak to these personally, but my thoughts on their possible thought process behind the mixed tape. First, they needed Cass to return something to Dean so he can get into his room, and it has to be something that was given as a nice gesture to heighten the betrayal. A tape makes sense because it’s not something so huge that it would be automatically given a ton of significance, but it also isn’t totally insignificant either. Second, Dean has a lot of tapes and he loves music, it’s very possible for him to give one to Cass off screen without the audience getting sidetracked and wondering why (how is he going to play it BTW? Go sit alone in one of the cars he’s stolen?). Third, do I think the writers were also throwing destiellers a bone? Probably, but throwing fans a bone does not equal queerbaiting because nothing else in Dean and Cass' relationship points to romance (and Dean is not into guys or Supernatural Beings). Throwing fans a small bone also doesn’t meant it’s leading to a romantic endgame. They do it with Wincest all the time, after all.

Overall, to me the purpose of the mixtape was to show Cass throwing something Dean gave him back in his face, so he could go behind his back for supernatural purposes. Again. If someone wants to read the tape as a romantic gift from Dean (it isn’t), that actually only makes what Cass uses it for worse. Thus, the tape does not support Dean and Cass romance.

And because I have to, this is a mixed tape (CD) with clear intent.

#supernatural #anti destiel #dean winchester #castiel critical #brief Smallville nod #Zepplin tape #my thoughts #SPN Meta #fandom wank

[musclesandhammering]

The fandom version of “gaslight gatekeep girlboss” & “mansplain manipulate manwhore” is

✨Infantilise Fetishise Generalise✨

#it says Infantilise Fetishise Generalise for my fellow homies who suck at reading cursive <3 #supernatural #spn #Sherlock #bbc Sherlock #marvel #mcu #loki #I swear yall love nothing more than making grown men into babies shipping them with other men and then acting like it’s just accepted fact #lol worms for brains all o’ y’all #fandom wank

[agentkikirogers]

Come on destiel fans. Do better. It's just a ship.

#destiel #supernatural #supernatural wank #misha collins

[samsupernaturalpussy]

Thinking about how a lot of the Supernatural Disc Horse could be resolved if people just realized that both Sam and Dean were violent men living on the edge of society doing bad things and trying to argue that "X is better because he killed fewer people and only did things in the name of family" or "X is better because he's less misogynistic" is an utterly pointless discussion.

Compelling is what these guys are, not good

#Supernatural #Spn #Fandom wank #Ig #Discourse #Think it speaks to media literacy as a whole #Like you get that Dean is aggressively misogynistic right #And has beaten Sam when he was either possessed or not in control of himself #And that his demon deal at the end of S2 which was amazing is technically selfish (or were you not watching him agonize for all of s2 #Over the deal his dad made?) #And that Sam both wittingly and unwittingly killed people #The nurse who everyone talks about (but it's hard to say if she was actually in control of herself) and God knows how many people #By letting Lucifer out #He didn't break the first seal and was heavily manipulated the entire time yes of course #Not downplaying that #Nor the torture dean underwent to break the first one #Idk there are a lot of people who blatantly flatten canon here and that would be fine if they admitted they did #Because it's fun #But they don't #And it's frustrating as hell

[suncaptor]

the fact Sam could lose a best tits award to Dean truly shows how no poll on this site won't be biased by the terminal Big Dean Girlisms.

#incoherents #supernatural #spn #wank cw

[samssupernaturalpussy]

I am begging people to stop posting

#Misogynistic character is actually gay is not the flex you think #Trust me #Anti hellers #Spn #spn wank #Supernatural #Bro destiel is fine but stop it with these insane takes in the crusade of proving your ship is canon

[nobodymitskigabriel]

Actually so confused by some of the tags on that suffering poll. Dean must've suffered more than Sam...because Dean went to hell for 40 years? I genuinely want to know what show you watched.

#“sam didnt go to hell for 40 years” you're right he didnt he was actually there for Longer #i legit dont care who you think suffered more but sam going to lucifer's cage for 180 years was actually. a big part of the show #sam winchester #supernatural #fandom wank