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beanyboobee · 1 month

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Sometimes like now, I snap awake from the dead of sleep with a sudden thought and realisation about vanitas and Noe.

This one being that they were both victims of abuse in childhood.

Vanitas was clearly a victim of Physical abuse, through the doctor. And he knows what happend to him is wrong. He was kept behind walls as an experiment until Luna came and knocked down those walls. Literally and metaphorically.

But then it got me thinking on Noe and I realised, he was a victim of emotional abuse. So much so that he doesn't even realise it still to this day. That the way the teacher spoke to younger Noe despite his calm and kind appearance holds a negative edge towards almost everything. Each compliment usually comes with a hidden insult. In telling noe he is an Archvisite he also places the idea that Noe is more dangerous than others in his head. In telling Noe that he is differant, insted of telling him that is a good thing he insted tells him he has to be more responsible than others.

And while these lessons can appear as simple lessons a parent would give their child we can see the malice behind these actions through the death of Louis.

For one he left out that book on curse bearers for Louis to find under the guise of- free will. When louis saw his grandfather for what he was. A manipulator.

While Noe fed into the manipulation easily, being kept in the teachers estate, behind walls. Given the illusion of free will when it was anything but that.

It was not a coincidence that the teacher showed up only when louis truely lost it. He wasn't regretful that he decapitated his own 'grandchild' nor the fact that he did it in front of Noe. Because it was a lesson. A punishment. To show Noe what happens to those who step out of line. To those who become 'monsters' something that as we know Noe to this day still fears becoming.

There truely is alott to unpack between the similarities between Noe and Vanitas. They are two sides to the coin. Almost everything about them appears to be the opposite of one another even something that could be easily breezed past. I may be reading to far into it. But it honestly fascinates me to think That Noes negative veiw of himself isn't self inflicted. But was inflicted after years of emotional neglect and manipulation. To make him beleive he thought this way out his own free will.

When in reality , just like Vanitas, Noe was also an experiment.

But unlike the Doctor who was loud and physical about his experimentation, mainly done to change the body.

The Teacher was suble and quiet and mysterious. His experiments having to do more with the mind. And who better to test his theories on than a being like Noe, whos ability involves him literally being in other people's heads ?

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neversetyoufree · 3 months

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[Image Description: a panel from the Case Study of Vanitas manga. The Marquis Machina, in her Lady Archiviste form, looks up in surprise just as she's finished building a large house of cards. End Description].

I do think it's very funny and on the nose that Machina is building a house of cards when Teacher drops the line about dhams trafficking drugs.

Machina has carefully created a situation where she has a network of dhampirs bringing her information in exchange for granting them a degree of societal protection. I'm guessing neither the church, the racist vampire aristocracy, nor the dhampirs kept subservient to her are particularly thrilled about this arrangement.

Surely the literal house of cards she's just finished building when we first hear about a chaotic unknown element in her delicate dhampir system doesn't mean anything.

#baby that house of cards is coming DOWN #vnc #vanitas no carte #the case study of vanitas #marquis machina #francis varney #english major hours #theory #vnc spoilers #vnc 62.5

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briebysabs · 7 months

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Since I am such a normal individual I’ve decided to attempt breaking down vanoé’s character song “Le Formidable”. I don’t hear much talk about it but the lyrics are just as cryptic and wild as the OP/ED.

Before we get into it, in terms of translation, I could only find one on YouTube that thankfully color-coded the lyrics so I could decipher who sings what. If anyone has any other translations, I’d love to know please. So a bunch of the lines you can kinda figure out who’s singing but here’s how it’s gonna be:

Vanitas =💙

Noé =💜

Vanoe= 💙💜

Simple enough let’s get into it :)

💜: /I want to stay in bed feeling the warmth of the sun and drift in and out of this sweet dream/

Already we’ve mentioned dreaming, a running theme in this song. There is the well-known line Teacher says in chapter 55...

Sleeping, specifically in regards to Noé, is something mochijun makes the audience take note. He can’t sleep without holding something. When he can’t fall asleep, it is highlighted like the night Vanitas rejected Noé drinking his blood. He doesn’t want Vanitas to disappear and I personally like how in the recent chapter, Vanitas stays by his side for a while. Almost like callback to that moment on the train but I’m getting carried away. You get the correlation I’m making, it’ll get very important later on.

We also have those warmth and sun connections to Noé, a large part of his character and Vanitas’ gravitation towards him.

💙: /With this grey weather today, this day will go by without any harmony/

We see Vanitas’ pessimistic outlook on life; grey, cloudy, devoid of color. Devoid of comfort and obviously these two contrasting people will clash but mix together throughout the song.

💜: /Tarte Tatin, Altus Paris! Endless interesting things!/

💙: /It’s always like this! Here and there, endlessly losing sight./

This seems pretty straightforward, Noé is getting distracted by all the wonderful things as usual and Vanitas chastises him. But let’s frame this another way, Noé is choosing to not focus. It’s simpler that way. He’s turning his focus elsewhere to better things, more pleasant things. And Vanitas is trying to wake him up. I’ll explain more in my theory soon.

💜: /What to look for today from this city/

💙: /Ah with all these things/

💙💜: /There is no time to rest/

Simple lyrics here. No comment.

💙💜: /Le formidable! Le formidable! It’s really easy. Just colliding, rolling down, and repeating again/

Here we are entering the chorus. There’s a common thread of repetition in every OP and ED in VnC. Like clockwork, these two have fallen into this pattern.

Colliding- Vanoé meeting, two worlds learning how to come together, joining as one

Rolling down- their downfall, incoming despair and tragedy

Repeating again- they find themselves back where they started, fated to be born and to die

Let me say the first part of my theory and keep this in the back of your head while remembering the lyrics: VnC is not a time loop in the traditional sense but rather a loop of memories. Also keep in mind the first ED Zero: “Now I remember, oh I have never lived a day without you. Untie the layer of memories...”

💙: /This worthless-/

💜: /wonderful-/

💙💜: /world we are walking on. Even not knowing is sometimes nice, right?/

Again, vanoé with different outlooks on life meet each other. But more importantly, we see the display of ignorance or blissful unawareness. We the audience have a vague idea on how this story ends and in a way, so do they. Vanitas knows very well he is doomed and has already entrusted Noé to end his life if it comes to it. But we also don’t know the specifics of their downfall and neither do they.

So this line has a double meaning that refers to the characters and the reader. As yeah it is nice to read vnc and enjoy the happy moments without knowing the painful details of what’s to come.

💜: /Over there something is flapping their wings/

💙: /And these uncountable days pass by. It’s not worth worrying about. So many unknown things, without meaning/

💜: /Escalier! I want to see the bright colors beyond!/

Noé, again giving his attention to supposedly insignificant things as Vanitas tends to see the larger picture, not caring for the mundane. Uncountable days can be matched with the grey weather mentioned earlier. But that also means things are murky, blur together, cloudy. They don’t make sense to Vanitas (such as love, his self-worth, the nature within people) while Noé wants to experience all the brightness of the world.

💙: /I told you to be quiet today, yet here we are!/

💜: /Now you loud person!/

💙💜: /I told you I hardly have time to breathe/

So, hypothetical scenario if we take this song literal: Vanoé is exploring the city because Noe wanted to Vanitas couldn’t say no. Vanitas is fed up and Noé thinks his complaints are aggravating. But this part shows a lack of understanding. They’re yelling about their own hardships but don’t see the other’s perspective.

💙💜: /Le formidable! Le formidable! It’s a simple thing. It’s just finding, losing sight and repeating again/

💜: /I want to dream/

💙: /It’s just a dream/

💙💜: /The world keep walking while not knowing the truth at this point/

Ok there’s a lot to dig our teeth in here. First of all, the finding, losing sight, repeating is another way of describing the colliding and rolling down said prior. Vanoe find each other, they lose each other, it’s fated to happen all over again. Now the big piece here, I want to dream/It’s just a dream. Surface-level interpretation > another instance of their differences. Noé wants be surrounded by dreams and wonder. While Vanitas looks at that beauty and scoff at it, since it isn’t real therefore not worth caring for. But if we read into this carefully, Noé wants to dream. He wants to stay in these memories, he doesn’t want to live in a world without Vanitas.

Let’s go back to OP 1: “I love this world and the light only you give me.”

We know OP 1 is Noe’s POV so let’s ask ourselves why would the Noé we are seeing, the one smiling at all the colors of the world say Vanitas is the only light he has (emphasis on “only”). Because the Noé singing the first OP is operating with far more knowledge and despair. We don’t know the truth at this point. “This world” is not real.

Allow me to offer what I think is happening. Noé and Vanitas meet, they go on this journey of understanding, trust, and love, Vanitas reaches his end and is killed by Noé. Noé lives on. We can tell the Noé writing this story is full of regret and sadness. But why is he writing this all down? He’s retelling the memories, putting them down physically on paper. Two things happened:

a) He exchanged his name with Naenia, wishing to remain in a world with Vanitas in it. Because that wish is still very present, Naenia has great interest in Noé. She mentions seeing him before in Louis but it could be a classic mochijun misdirect and it’s actually from receiving his name in a different iteration. There is that official art with Noé wearing Vanitas’ coat with that goat entity he saw in Gevaudan, pinned to his vest.

However this can only work if Naenia is still around and isn’t resolved/defeated in the memoirs.

b) This is more likely in my opinion. Noé uses the Books and the memoirs act as a catalyst for him to have the world become his memories or for him to live in them. I know only those with blue blood or something can use the books.

Which is why Dr. Moreau had those experiments with Vanitas and Misha. Don’t worry, I already have a theory that Archivistes are some form of blue moon vampires but that is a whole other discussion. Point is, I think the Books of Vanitas are like an Elliot sword situation. Yes, Elliot owns the Nightray sword and carries it around but you don’t know its true purpose in the story until Leo wields it.

Noé causes these memories to replay, perhaps to save Vanitas or simply to dream again. Go back to when he was last happy. But here’s the thing, the Noé in this memory is unaware or ignorant of this, sees his present world as the real one and undergoes the events of the series. Vanitas dies, he lives on, and creates a memory world for himself. Rinse, recycle, repeat. Essentially, the first ED gave it away. The entirety of VnC is a layer of memories. Even the narrator Noé we are hearing is a memory that is trying to manifest a world of his own.

Reality and dreams are all intertwined now and Noé got lost in it. There are leaks in the cracks, for example when Vanitas cries and tells Luna his mother died at childbirth why would he call to her. Initially, you can read this as he’s just missing what he never had. But what if Vanitas’ mother was present in his life 9 memory loops ago but because these memories get further from the truth the more it happens, Noé simply forgot that detail when making the memoirs at some point in time. So now, in the memory layer #52 Vanitas has no mother.

💜: /We will see what we “cannot see”/

💙: /We will know what we “don’t know”/

💙💜: /The final stop of this world that seems to be changing, seems only further ahead/

Noe’s line possibly goes into his Archiviste nature and how he experiences reading memories. It can as well build back into the dream/memory loop thing, he’s seeing things he can no longer “see.”

Vanitas’ line can be drawn to what Noé said during their fight.

Vanitas acts like he has the final word and has a full grasp of how this world/himself works. But he really doesn’t and Noé is living proof of that, proving him wrong on several occasions that there’s still hope, they can’t give up yet, he won’t leave him etc. The final stop of this world is changing, but it’s further ahead. This is a story, a preserved section of time from the past. We gotta ask ourselves... why would the last stop be changing? Again, Vanitas’ death is the final stop but it’s changing, perhaps from the countless iterations we’ve gone through Noé writes the memoirs in a way that delays the ending. So he could remain just a little longer…

💙💜: /Le formidable! Le formidable! Everything is fine. While forgetting, hiding, and repeating it/

💙: /This worthless/

💜: /wonderful/

💙💜: /world we are walking on/

💙: /I don’t know but even so/

💜: /If it can make you smile.../

After this, it ends the song by repeating the first chorus with the colliding-rolling down part so I’ll make this the cutting point. The “everything is fine” totally doesn’t stick out in a story where we know everything will not be fine. The forgetting and hiding goes back to my dream-memory theory, Noé is hiding from the truth in these stacks upon stacks of memories and is possibly forgetting things as they really happened as a result. We already know he isn’t the most reliable narrator. But Noé wants to see Vanitas’ smile.

If it can make you smile again, if it can replay your laughter, why would I ever leave this wonderful lie? In OP 1: “Your laughing was reflected by a daydream”.

I’ll conclude this by saying two things. If you want to get even deeper, you can interpret Vanitas in this song as the voice in the back of Noé’s head. Its just a dream, this world is actually worthless, and Noé is trying to drown out those thoughts. Because yeah they sing lines together but the only time they’re directly speaking to each other is when Vanitas scolds Noé and Noé shouts back, calling him loud. Finally, I could be wrong in all this. I am aware how crazy I may look and I'm so thankful if you read this far.

But yeah if this is anywhere near canon, mochijun must be the most unhinged, absolutely cracked author I’ve ever seen. We’re going into Pandora Hearts levels of intricacy here. I hope you enjoyed my insanity 👍🏼

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evatheunicutie · 6 months

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Twins are Bad Luck in Vamp Society, eh?

I think this has to do with something to do with Faustina and Luna being twins and something happening thousands of years prior to the canon storyline in VnC.

I just know it.

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embraceyourdestiny · 6 months

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tell me about the two vanitases. vaniti

Post I made a while ago about it (might be slightly awkward / messy bc it’s from 2 years ago) :)

Essentially, at the end of bbs Vanitas and ven have a “battle of hearts” (similar to Roxas and sora in kh2) and Vanitas, as the weaker heart, loses and retreats back into his “origin”, ven’s heart. We see sparkles dissipate into vens stain glass, signifying that Vanitas has become embedded into ven’s heart. THEN ven becomes embedded in Sora’s heart, thus making a sort of matryoshka effect inside of sora;

sora<-(inside, ven [<-inside, vanitas])

Cut to ddd where sora is DEEP inside his own heart and thus coming across a lot of shit embedded within. Including Vanitas who appears as a fractured vision saying Sora’s heart is a prison “even if he’s not the prisoner.” Upon hearing this most people’s immediate thought would be *terra/aqua voice* ven!! But most people miss the hidden layer (cleverness intended) that would also mean Vanitas since he’s inside ven. Of course if someone is locked inside a prisoner in jail that also means they’re in the prison, whether them also being locked up was intentional or not

Cut to kh3. The first instance we see Vanitas is monsters inc. but we don’t see Vanitas first, we see the manifestation of his power because as he explains he needed enough energy to come back to life. The clever part about this is this only happens because sora is there with ven in his heart, thus physically bringing Vanitas’s heart to a place where he can regenerate and, if the plan works out, extract himself/ven from Sora’s body. There’s an extra bonus that the power becomes even more potent by upsetting sora and therefor having a STRONG sense of negativity which had been building in our poor boy all game, and as Ansem The Wise said, sora is able to make things be real and that means he was able to make Vanitas come back to life without whatever Xehanort did to make him, even though he didn’t mean to

Then Vanitas gets bodied by scully and thrown into a door, seemingly gone forever

Then like 3 seconds later we see him again in the land of departure. But. Wait. Didn’t scully just throw him to somewhere in Connecticut?

Act II: The second Vanitas

This Vanitas is a replica Xehanort pulled from the post. Xehanort had no fucking clue where Vanitas went after bbs bc he just disappears and honestly he clearly didn’t care because hes always known could just make another one so he does. The reason I know this isn’t monsters inc Vanitas is because one that’s impossible, it was 100% intentional this scene happens after yeetus Vanitas, and two Vanitas acts. Different. For one he’s much more brazen than he was in MI, instead of just his long winded monologuing he’s actually goading them on and being arrogant and feisty and trying to fight, immediately transporting us back to the kind of personality he had before. You know. Ven kicked his ass. And he also teleports and does magic and is way stronger than MI Vanitas because that Vanitas had just formed. There’s no possible way he had all his strength back after being rebirthed for 3 seconds so the fact that he was able to hold his own against aqua who’s been fighting nonstop for 10 years definitely raises an eyebrow and points to this theory because how was that possible and why didn’t he fight in MI if this was the case.

Some people have pointed out that it’s weird Vanitas wears a cloak of darkness in MI and thinking about it I think there’s two answers. The first is he was weak and I think it’s possible the cloak could protect him, esp if he’s not fully darkness anymore bc he has his own heart, has regenerated on his own instead of being extracted by Xehanort’s dark power, and was touched by two very powerful lights for like 10 years (they probably got their light cooties on him lol) and two, I think he was hiding from Xehanort. Vanitas likely knew of his plan since his conception even though he might not have fully understood was it was and therefore he would’ve known what was going on in kh3 and been like “shit. I’m not following the plan bc I’m not even a part of the plan anymore so Xehanort can’t find out.” Because if you remember in com DiZ says the cloaks can hide you from anyone and if Xehanort knew Vanitas was back he would at the very least force him to do his plan again or at the worst destroy him because he’s an unknown factor

Then sora fights replica Vanitas and he goes back into the past and somewhere out there Vanitas is walking around the streets of New York (or shibuya) having no clue what the fuck is going on

So yes. Two Vanitases bc we can’t get enough of this boy. Two of them

#og #two Vanitases theory #Vanitas kh #kingdom hearts #kh #kingdom hearts theory #kh3 #kh bbs #kh ddd #kingdom hearts 3 #kingdom hearts birth by sleep #kingdom hearts dream drop distance #asks #thanks you for the interest I hope this is good and cool and worth it and makes sense

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mythicalartistx · 7 months

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Sometimes I randomly will think of how they really missed out on having Vanitas and Riku interact...

Like how would he interact if he was there with Sora, Ven, and Vanitas. Like then Vanitas' mask comes off.

Remember when Riku had that bizarre WHAAAAAAAT at the possibility Aqua was another Sora. And at this point everyone knows Sora also had Ven's heart too.

So for him to just see another Sora except he looks much like him bark darker shades, would just have been really interesting.

Like so many missed opportunities, he could honestly rile him up based on his insecurities and how darkness took over him and how he sent the island to darkness.

And he has Sora's face so it's going to be THAT MUCH HARDER.

Also even the fact we didn't see the dark riku on the organization's side interact with Vanitas is another crime itself.

THEY WERE ON THE SAME SIDE SO HOW COME WE DIDN'T SEE THAT!?

Okay to be fair Vanitas didn't interact with much of the others either— which is still a crime...

Don't get me wrong I loved the keyblade graveyard battle scenes and how they fought and trios getting reunited. Vanitas choosing to go and Sora seeing his face was a good scene, but there were a lot of other missed opportunities...

Instead vanilla Riku only dealt with the replicas, and Sora saw the organization Riku (which is Repliku from the past brought to he future).

But Sora got to see both Riku and Vanitas, thought it wasn't the Repliku who stayed with og Riku.

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Even Sora talking to Repliku would be something because he would be sad that he forgot him.

Sometimes I like Riku angst and the sad things happening. But what if it made him realized he FORGOT SOME STUFF and needs to remember—

That Sora forgot about COM events and Necklace Theory stuff and must regain them??

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forgotten-lumis · 2 months

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Way to Dawn and X-blade Particle effects comparison

I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned this yet, but I was recently watching a BBS play through when I noticed- Hey. The particle effects for the X-blade looked REALLY similar to Riku’s Way to Dawn. Like. Pretty much EXACTLY THE SAME, besides the color as they are fading.

I’ll post some images here for comparison

X-Blade effects, Vanitas fight BBS:

(Sorry for the awful image quality lmao)

Riku’s Way to Dawn, Kh2:

I can’t be the only one who finds that really really weird, no?

The end part of the animations does have some differences, but really only in color. Even the shape they form as they fade away is exact.

X-blade, Vanitas:

(Sorry Ven- it’s for science-)

These ones are an orange/yellowish color

Then for Riku’s Way to Dawn:

Kh2:

His start out a bit yellow at the center then fade to blue

They are also like this in Kh 3D

Some bonus images:

Vanitas Fight, BBS:

This is how I originally noticed the effects, because I got a good look at them down on the attack command panel in the corner.

And here’s Xehanort’s in kh3, when he has the X-blade:

I feel like his are a bit more red?

Anyways, yeah. That’s that. It’s pretty odd in my opinion. I also don’t think any other keyblades share these effects, either, but if anyone else finds anything then please post it lol

I had originally posted this in a discord server I’m in, and a few of the people there (including myself) theorized that it could be related to how the X-blade isn’t truly the final form of it’s“X-blade series”. That it’s like the “Way to Dawn” of its respective line, not having arrived at its final evolution yet, still on the path to get there. That’s just one interpretation, but I do quite like it.

What do you guys think?

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theory-basket · 1 year

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Everyone says Ruthven is gonna use his one command to get Noe to kill Vanitas straight up, but I’m not so sure.

Personally? I think Ruthven will command Noe to reveal his true name.

There’s so much emphasis from the Shapeless one on not telling ANYONE your true name, and Naenia seems very interested in it. Knowing Noe’s true name is so much more dangerous, because Ruthven could hand it over to Naenia any time she wanted.

And that puts Vanitas in an awful position. It’s already been proven that even when he’s lost his own free will, Vanitas can’t bring himself to kill Noe, and Noe can’t bring himself to kill Vanitas.

Wouldn’t that parallel be fucking tragic? Noe couldn’t kill the one person who begged for it the most, Vanitas killed the one person who gave him a chance because they were a curse bearer. But now Noe is the one out of his mind with killing intent and Vanitas is willing to die if it means curing him.

You know the story is good when you can see a dozen equally tragic, equally meaningful endings.

#the case study of vanitas #vanitas no carte #vanitas no karte #vnc #vnc theory #vnc spoilers #vnc vanitas #vnc noé #vnc ruthven

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this-is-a-blog-yo · 15 days

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Vnc guys in light of the vol 11 cover: what’s the time loop theory everyone keeps talking about???

#vanitas #vanitas no carte #case study of vanitas #vnc #vnc manga #help ppl keep talking about it I wanna know what it is #Vnc theories keep me alive

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azapofinspiration · 2 years

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So this only happened in the anime version of this scene, but when Ruthven curses Noé, these magenta butterflies appear around them.

Like I said, that pet didn’t happen in the manga, BUT we have seen those magenta butterflies before.

Specifically in this picture of Noé surrounded by, almost falling through, these butterflies.

Though there is another butterfly in this picture as well. Specifically, a blue glowing butterfly hovering right in front of Noé’s face.

Now I wonder what that could possibly signify?

(Or more like who it represents.)

If the anime was taking cues from this image, then this probably hints at how the curse on Noé will be broken. We’ve seen multiple times that Vanitas is a light that saves Noé from the darkness, and this will probably be the same when it comes time to break the curse and save him from Ruthven’s control, like a reverse of the amusement park.

(And when you consider the traditional way to break curses and the fact that the butterfly is right over Noé’s lips? Well, a girl can hope.)

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beanyboobee · 6 months

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It just occurred to me- now I may be wrong feel free to correct me.

But we have never seen Vanitas go to sleep or fall asleep. Till the latest chapter of the manga. He falls asleep but not only that it's while sitting beside Noe he decides to rest. Because at last he trusts him. He feels at peace around him. He can be vunerable around him knowing. And trusting. That Noe will be the one to end his life if he comes the thing he fears he will.

The fact that he does this sitting beside Noe and not half way across the room is also telling. Because Noe could wake up before him, he could. And he would be close enough to bite vanitas if he wanted while Vanitas sleeps. But now, after everything. Vanitas trusts that Noe wouldn't.

Noe is to him. What Vanitas is to Jeanne. Noe is his promise of dying on his terms. In a way if were sticking with religious imagery. He is Vanitas salvation. Only pushed further by how Vanitas sits in the shadows but Noe sleeps in the light. And then the close up of vanitas has the light shining on him. He is sharing in Noes light while he rests.

Also I'm going to say it- so weird seeing vanitas in a tie and not a bow.

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neversetyoufree · 8 days

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Obviously I'm very glad that Domi has stepped in to help protect Dante and Johann, and it's great that she's calling Dante by his name. However, I'm vaguely concerned that a member of the de Sade family directly confronting chasseurs (and particularly hateful chasseurs!) could lead to very bad things down the line.

Back at the start of the catacombs arc, Johann pointed out that relations between the church and the vampire establishment are still extremely tense, so it would be prohibitively dangerous for Orlock and his people to get involved in a conflict with them. If you take Johann at his word, it could take as little as one false step to set off the beginnings of another war. And the situation has only gotten worse since the catacombs.

Dominique isn't as politically important as Count Orlock, but she's still a member of a key family of aristocrats. If Gano and Ogier escalate the current situation to violence and Domi has to fight them, there's a chance things could spiral out of control in a big way.

There's also a chance Domi, Dante, and Johann will still be able to calm things down without a fight, of course, but if it does come to blows, I'm afraid an excuse to hurt or be hurt by a vampire aristocrat is the perfect opportunity for Gano. We know the extremists want an opportunity to go to war again, after all. I don't know if Gano shares that desire, since he's working with Ruthven on the side, but he's hateful enough that I sure wouldn't rule it out.

#not that I think war's going to erupt on the streets if this escalates #we've still got to deal with the miel plot. among other things #but depending on how things go. this could push the situation in a really bad direction in the long term #or maybe not!#but in any case. this is the most interested I've been in the bigger political forces lurking in the background in vnc #suddenly it all feels very important and immediate #vnc #vanitas no carte #the case study of vanitas #theory #vnc spoilers #vnc 63

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Guys but what if Vanitas and Noé did meet when they were kids? People have brought up the possibility that Noe’s kidnappers were part of the travelling circus Vanitas grew up in. I know it’s said Noé was taken to the vampire world. But to be fair, Louis makes that assumption and Noé kinda just nods ahead. So I’m taking that with a grain of salt and narrator Noé ain’t telling or confirming shit.

But you know why I’m starting to believe this?

Remember how Vanitas acted towards Noé in chapter/episode 1. We know Noé is the one who insisted on staying with Vanitas till the end. But we need to remember Vanitas asked Noé to join him first. Why would Vanitas ask him that???

Vanitas the lone wolf, Vanitas “I hate everyone equally”, Vanitas “it’s my way or the highway”?? He hired Dante and while I think their relationship is more complicated. In Gevaudan he was fully ready to cut him off until Johann went sicko mode. It’s not that Vanitas is recruiting vampires for his cause. We never see him ask any other vampire to join him.

And Vanitas, while it’s hard to tell how much was façade, he was getting all close and sort of flirtatious with Noé. Until he found out he’s an Archiviste and was forced to keep some distance. The “are you interested in kisses” line was right after they fought Jeanne. I don’t think he knew yet. And there’s little moments where he is genuinely glad of Noe’s company. It’s starts to be contradictory when he starts refusing Noe’s help bc he wants to protect him.

But he wanted to be around Noé.

And when the Archiviste thing is revealed, obviously we know from his promise and self-hypnosis pact we can’t have Noé sucking his blood. But his reaction to this news felt less like fear and more so disappointment. As if this revelation ruined something. So I’m starting to think Noé doesn’t remember Vanitas at all. But Vanitas remembers meeting a face like Noé, let’s assume 10 years ago. He didn’t know his name or that he’s an Archiviste. Maybe they had a heart to heart moment, before they could exchange names Noe disappeared. And maybe that was the same night his father was killed. Even for Vanitas standards, him asking Noé to lend his strength from day 1 makes no sense otherwise. There’s some connection there has to be.

#the case study of vanitas #les memoires de vanitas #look at the chapter he finds out Noé is an Archiviste #you can see the moment he closed his heart off #vanitas no carte #jun mochizuki #vanoe #I hate this #vnc #manga #tumblr #noe archiviste #vnc manga #anime #theories

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